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the virus is spreading

https://twitter.com/CERN/status/1014764925267402752

>> No.9857469

>>9857467
cringe and bluepilled if true

>> No.9857472

>>9857467
>Implying there is anything wrong with not hating people because of their origin or their choices in sex partners.
Go away /pol/

>> No.9857474

I don't understand why anyone would even care.

>> No.9857476

>>9857472
cringe

>> No.9857477

>>9857476
Yeah, not hating people is cringe, I now retard.

>> No.9857478

>>9857472
>Implying that has any place whatsoever in CERN

>> No.9857481

>>9857478
>Implying research isn't inherently progressive and anti-bigotry
Go away /pol/

>> No.9857484

>>9857472
All sexuality is fine with me. However, trannies should never have been accepted as mentally well. No good reason for it and it's obviously a detriment. I hate lumping people who think they are a special being that has a different sexed brain being associated with people who are attracted to the same sex.

>> No.9857486

>>9857481
Guys this is b8 right?
Or do we need a new /socsci/ board?

>> No.9857487

>>9857481
There's a reason you are """""publishing"""""" on vixra.

>> No.9857488

>>9857472
Do you need to run frivolous days of assfuck celebration in order not to hate fags? This entire thing is just a circlejerk of people who think celebrating some degenerate's choice to suck dick makes them a better person. This shit has nothing to do with science and I couldn't care less about it. Cern's tweet is laughable.

>> No.9857489

>>9857484
>However, trannies should never have been accepted as mentally well.
Why can't you accept people living how they want to?
It isn't you and transsexual people are suffering in their bodies, why do you hate them so much that you can't even accept them.

Can /pol/ just leave?

>> No.9857492

>>9857486
>Guys this is b8 right?
No, not hating people isn't "bait".

>>9857487
Yes, because my Ideas are censored everywhere else.

>> No.9857495

>>9857488
>Do you need to run frivolous days of assfuck celebration in order not to hate fags?
At least giving them some recognition that they are humans too would be nice, you fucking homophobe.

>This shit has nothing to do with science and I couldn't care less about it.
Again, science is inherently progressive and inclusive, at least it should be.

>> No.9857496

>>9857489
Listen to me
Any categorized group of people with a 40%+ suicide rate has a problem and needs help
I'm not presuming to know what that help is, but I know it's not permanent self-mutilation

>> No.9857499

>>9857496
>Any categorized group of people with a 40%+ suicide rate has a problem and needs help
Yes, but that help would be ACCEPTING THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE and not characterizing them as mentally ill.

>> No.9857500

>>9857467
I thought the M stood for medicine. Wtf?

>> No.9857502

>>9857500
mathematics

>> No.9857503

>>9857500
>I thought the M stood for medicine.
It never did and why would you separate mathematics from "Science Technology Engineering" when they rely so heavily on math.

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>>9857499
>Yes, but that help would be ACCEPTING THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE
Already happening everywhere in the west and
>and not characterizing them as mentally ill
This was already done by the WHO.

>> No.9857506

>>9857467
>implying i give a shit about shit institution

>> No.9857508

>>9857489
>Why can't you accept people living how they want to?
Because I don't think amputating body parts of mentally ill people who feel that is what they need is an ethical thing to do.

>> No.9857509

>>9857503
Yea, mathematical science is a sub branch of science after all

>> No.9857513

>>9857504
>Already happening everywhere in the west and
Obviously not enough.

>This was already done by the WHO.
Good thing, now when the attitude has changed we might see some real progress.

>> No.9857516

STEM has indeed been wrecked in the west.

In dark ages, art declines, great buildings decline, ordinary people’s living standards decline, people harrow the ground with stones tied to bits of wood instead of iron plows, but weapons technology usually goes right on improving.

U.S. production of tritium, a critical strategic material for nuclear weapons, is now insufficient to meet the forthcoming U.S. nuclear force sustainment demands, or to hedge against unforeseen developments. Programs are planned, but not yet fully funded, to ease these critical production shortfalls.

The U.S. is also unable to produce or process a number of other critical materials, including lithium and enriched uranium. For instance, the United States largely relies on dismantling retired warheads to recover lithium to sustain and produce deployable warheads. This may be inadequate to support the nuclear force replacement program and any supplements to it.

Attempts to build new nuclear reactors in the US keep running into indefinite delays. To make significant amounts of plutonium 239 will need new reactors.

Money, “full funding”, is unlikely to be the issue. Obama threw stupendous amounts of money at the Obamacare website, and the site did not come up. It only came up when a conspicuously undiverse team of white and east Asian heterosexual males led by white heterosexual males took over the job.

https://blog.jim.com/war/technological-decline-3/

>> No.9857518

>>9857513
>real progress
>changing society so it fits with the delusions of 0.1% of the population
What is it that you really feel?

>> No.9857521

>>9857495
You don't need a fucking international gayday to be recognized as a person. It's not going to change anything either because there is no good reason to care about it. IDC if you suck dick and I think that's enough, too. Nobody's running an international pyro main day for me either.

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>>9857513
>progress

>> No.9857525

>>9857518
>>9857521
>>9857522
>Its another edition of /pol/ shitting up /sci/ again.
Why can't you leave science alone and stop spreading your hate??

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9857530

We seem to agree on this
Now prove to me that self-mutilation is appropriate therapy for gender dysphoria

>> No.9857532

>>9857530
>>9857513

>> No.9857538

>>9857530
Fuck that shit

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>>9857525
Because they (leftists) will destroy the science if we don't do something.

>> No.9857541

>>9857540
Whatever ridiculous conspiracy floats your boat /pol/tard.

>> No.9857544

>>9857541
I'm not from /pol/. The only boards I visit are /sci/, /g/ and /wg/.

>> No.9857545

>>9857544
Nevertheless you are pushing their conspiracy theories, about "muh evil leftists destroying academia" and "the west (whatever that might be) is dying because of the EVIL leftists".

>> No.9857548

>>9857540
>be this fascist

>> No.9857550

>>9857521
>>9857525
I've been to pol something like once/twice, years ago. You can fuck right off with that weak shit.

>> No.9857552

>>9857467
What does sexuality have to do with STEM when people in STEM don't get laid? It's not sexy at all.

>> No.9857553

>>9857550
That doesn't mean you are not spreading their retarded and hateful ideas.

>> No.9857555

>>9857467
Don't you have something else to get upset about OP? Live and let live ffs.

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>>9857553
>hateful

>> No.9857561

>>9857553
I'd appreciate it if you pointed out what is exactly retarded/hateful about not caring about gays and finding in stem day laughable instead of just dumping me into a "muh pol cunspiracis" box so you never have to address anything I say, dickhead.

>> No.9857563

>>9857561
gays in stem day*

>> No.9857565

>>9857559
LOL
That is such a retarded conspiracy.

"everyone I don't like is Jewish"-pol

>> No.9857567

>>9857553
>tone policing this hard
>>(YOU)

>> No.9857568

>>9857561
>I'd appreciate it if you pointed out what is exactly retarded/hateful about not caring about gays
They are humans just like you and you aren't just "not caring" you are attacking things people are doing to accept them and other LGBTQ folks.

>just dumping me into a "muh pol cunspiracis"
I didn't.

>> No.9857569

>>9857567
No, this is NOT tone policing, I was talking about the CONTENTS of their speech, the IDEAS they are spreading, NOT the words they use to spread them.

>> No.9857573

>>9857548
Leftists are more authoritarian fascist than any minarchist/libertarian right winger ever

>> No.9857574

>>9857568
>They are humans just like you and you aren't just "not caring" you are attacking things people are doing to accept them and other LGBTQ folks.
You do understand that what they're doing is wrong, right anon?

>> No.9857576

>>9857573
That is just a retarded conspiracy theory again, where somehow "not hating somebody" morphes into being a Fascist.

>> No.9857578

>>9857569
You were not actually making any arguments about their CONTENTS, though, just associating them with evil, ol', hateful /pol/. Too bad you are just whoring for attention and don't believe any of it though.

>> No.9857579

>>9857574
>You do understand that what they're doing is wrong, right anon?
There is literally nothing wrong with homosexuality you retarded /pol/tard.

>> No.9857580

/scipol/ is a potent alliance, add /fitlit/ and maybe /kdiy/ and we're unstoppable

gays being perverted deviants, filthy pedophiles, mentally fucked serial killers etc. is settled science

>> No.9857581

>almost everyone is defending CERN
wow /sci/ is legit low iq

>> No.9857582

>>9857578
>ou were not actually making any arguments about their CONTENTS, though, just associating them with evil, ol', hateful /pol/.
Of course I was, read the thread idiot.

>oo bad you are just whoring for attention and don't believe any of it though.
Yes, I "don't hate" people for attention.

>> No.9857585

>>9857576
No, being in favor of authoritarian government policies is being "fascist".

>> No.9857586

>>9857580
Science and /pol/'s right wing rhetoric are completely at odds with another, just look at how anti-science the right is.

>> No.9857587

>>9857582
>read the thread
I am.

>> No.9857589

>>9857581
I know, it is really sad.

>> No.9857591

Please stop feeding the troll guys...

>> No.9857594

>>9857568
I don't think being gay is something anyone should consider when accepting someone in stem. It's about as irrelevant as eye color. Gays in stem day makes as much sense to me as blue eyed people in stem day or gay bakers day. I don't see the relevance of someone being gay outside of anything to do with sex and reproduction. This whole "Sexuality pride" thing is a waste of time at best. I just don't care and I don't see why anyone should. Not caring doesn't stop me from interacting with these people in everyday life. I don't care if my teammate sucks dick and he doesn't care how I fuck my wife, and I think that's the most reasonable way to go about those things. Now, please, tell me that's hateful.

>> No.9857595

>>9857467
Turing died because of anti gay laws.
Who knows what we lost because of that.

>> No.9857596

>>9857594
>It's about as irrelevant as eye color.
But historically people with blue exes weren't stigmatized and seen as less human beings, that is the difference.

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>>9857595

>> No.9857598

I have to personally say, there is nothing wrong with 'gay pride'. Having said that I see it more as being proud of yourself despite being gay (disadvantaged, discriminated against, self-hating). Trannies get the bullet tho.

>> No.9857600

>>9857594
Society made it an issue by literally burning gays at the stake. You act as if merely telling people "ok, now accept gays because it's like totally irrelevant" is enough to change attitudes.

>> No.9857602

>>9857596
Makes very little difference to me.

>> No.9857603

>all the mentally retarded right-wingers literal-fascists in this thread

I thought /sci/ was a science board? Wtf are you doing here you conspiracy-theorist fucks?

>> No.9857604

>>9857603
THIS, SO MUCH THIS.

These people are absolutely RETARDED and they don't even know it.
They even have mocked my for days now, because I dared to publish my derivations of certain limits: http://www.vixra.org/abs/1806.0082

>> No.9857605

>>9857603
/sci/ isn't a science board, it's a place you come to laugh at people who think they beat science with their crackpot theories. So sounds about right.

>> No.9857608

>>9857495
>at least it should be.
CAN'T DERIVE AN OUGHT FROM AN IS
YOU FUCKING FAGGOOOT

>> No.9857610

>>9857608
Fuck off retarded /pol/tard, no one like you stupd people here.

>> No.9857611

>>9857586
such as acknowledging the reality of race and IQ?
how about evolutionary psychology to gender politics?
how about healthy skepticism for journalists prematurely signalling some "conclusive" statement about GMOs, clunky climate models or the state of heavy metals in vaccines? Risk mitigation is in the right's best interests.

if you think putting a nig in a labcoat is a good idea go right ahead, but don't complain when tyrone starts stealing chemicals for his drug lab

science and fascism go hand in hand buddy, where have you been this past century?

also reminder that universities have been hostile to right wing thought for quite some time now

>> No.9857613

>>9857610
I'm talking philosophy to you, you stupid fucking namefag bitch. Where do people like you even come from, anyway? /co/?/trash/? Not even /lgbt/ is as gay as you.

>> No.9857615

>>9857603
Threads like this one attract poltards like a flame attracts moths

>> No.9857617

>>9857611
>such as acknowledging the reality of race and IQ?
Neither of these "realities" are accepted by science.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/

>how about evolutionary psychology to gender politics?
Maybe someday more then speculation.

>how about healthy skepticism for journalists prematurely signalling some "conclusive" statement about GMOs, clunky climate models or the state of heavy metals in vaccines? Risk mitigation is in the right's best interests.
Conspiracy theories.

>also reminder that universities have been hostile to right wing thought for quite some time now
LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

>science and fascism go hand
Science is inherently progressive and inclusive, Fascism isn't.

>> No.9857618

>>9857600
And shoving this shit everywhere is going to change attitudes for the better in your opinion?
You're not going to change a catholic mother's mind by parading a herd of half naked weirdos through the city, making 9001 gaydays and having anyone who points out how stale this shit is labeled a homophobe. It's not "we're people too", it's "HEY LOOK IM GAY WHAT YA GONNA DO". And you know, fine, let them do it, but I still think it's fucking dumb and annoying, and I know myself well enough to know I'm not a homophobe.
Just for the record I find christian holidays and processions just about as dumb.

In the end attitudes don't matter for shit as long as the law protects these people, anyway.

>> No.9857621

>>9857613
But it is irrelevant to the issues at hand, gays deserve inclusion whether you can derive and ought from an is or not.

>> No.9857628

>>9857621
Good to see I'm always right, then. And it's called the ought-is gap, alright? See it that you keep your mystical "progress" mumbo-jumbo far away from actual science as possible, the replicability crisis is already bad enough as it is without your bullcrap, which killled the humanities completely, getting in the way.

>> No.9857629

>>9857472
>tired retarded shibboleths
Hate has nothing to do with it.
Fucking retards.

>> No.9857630

>>9857617
>>such as acknowledging the reality of race and IQ?
>Neither of these "realities" are accepted by science.
Science doesn't accept nothing, scientists do. Either way, anyone with 2 braincels to rub together knows nigger are as dumb as they look (shit).

>> No.9857633

>>9857630
>Science doesn't accept nothing, scientists do. Either way, anyone with 2 braincels to rub together knows nigger are as dumb as they look (shit).
Delusional, but yes socioeconomic and cultural factors resulted in less representation of blacks in academia.

>> No.9857636

>>9857633
Socioeconomic, cultural and genetic.

>> No.9857638

>>9857636
Conspiracy tier.

>> No.9857642

>>9857638
Come on.

>> No.9857644

>>9857638
>what i don't understand is conspiracy
go read some books, kid

>> No.9857646

>>9857638
Blacks run faster than whites. Whites think faster than blacks. Why is this such a tabu?

>> No.9857647

>>9857467
U mad? We're coming for you next.

>> No.9857649

>>9857644
What an argument.

>>9857646
So what?
That doesn't mean "blacks are dumb because genes" that is a total non sequitur.

>> No.9857652

>>9857613
it came from /x/ and is just as annoying there.

>>9857467
Daily reminder that there are people in the scientific community who disregard and ignore what a chromosome is. Maybe it's because they're all so used to inventing materialistic, arbitrary human concepts that it's just part of their nature to apply said knowledge to their crotch. "It's a particle, its a wave...oh I don't know lets call it both!

>>9857499
>Yes, but that help would be ACCEPTING THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE and not characterizing them as mentally ill.
>Accept them for who they are
>despite the fact they can't even accept themselves for who they were.
Impossible, what they are is usually based on a false premise. Sorry I'm not stooping down to believing that opinions trump biology, no amount of penis cutting will ever change the logical, rational human being.

>> No.9857654

>>9857617
nigga the amount of studies on race and IQ is undeniable, nigga accept the evidence that nigs are retards

>https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/

>natgeo
>science
yeah bud, lmao

>Maybe someday more then speculation.
Get this: science is speculative a lot of the time!!

>Conspiracy theories.
Skepticism = conspiracy theories... right
Oy vey just anudda conspiracy theory, don't notice patterns goy

>LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
You don't read much do you? Check out a book called "Politically Correct University" and Jonathan Haidt's writings for a start. Heterodox academy, etc.

>Science is inherently progressive and inclusive, Fascism isn't.

Science studies reality, and reality has a fascist bias. Only the strongest survive, predators kill prey, everyone forms natural hierarchies. All things are entropic, especially since it's easier to destroy (such as what "progressives" do) than to create. Notice the decline of art in the west because of "progression", "diversity" and "inclusion".

Also reminder that every significant piece of science and mathematics was done by a white man (blue banana zone). Face it, white men are the pinnacle of human evolution.

Nigga you're out of your depth. Submit to fascism (reality), everybody eventually does.

>> No.9857656

>>9857652
>it came from /x/
Yeah that shows.

>> No.9857658

>>9857652
>it came from /x/ and is just as annoying there.
hahahaha
ohNONONO
That makes sense. I'd bet one of my pinkies it's a tranny too, only those people would be delusional enough to namefag as "The Lord".

>> No.9857659

>>9857654
>yeah bud, lmao
A well respected magazine.

>Get this: science is speculative a lot of the time!!
So what?

>Oy vey just anudda conspiracy theory, don't notice patterns goy
Fuck off anti semite.

>You don't read much do you? Check out a book called "Politically Correct University" and Jonathan Haidt's writings for a start. Heterodox academy, etc.
I don't read books about conspiracy theories.

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>>9857652
>the logical, rational human being
Care to show me any of those walking around?

>> No.9857670

>>9857659
>A well respected magazine.
By whom? and for what? A picture of some jungle negress with her tits out? some pictures of animals? how bout some peer review

>So what?
Evolutionary psychology is no less valuable to understanding sex and race differences. You don't believe evolution only happens from the neck down do you?

>Fuck off anti semite.
If you're not Jewish, do you believe Jews have your best interests in mind, or their own? Have you studied their cultural, behavioural and historical patterns? Noticing patterns is antisemitic oy!

>I don't read books about conspiracy theories.
Meaning you're intentionally close-minded, which is not a very scientific disposition to take. If you outright label anything that makes you uncomfortable with something like "conspiracy theory" without looking at the evidence you'll never get closer to the truth. Seems like the right *is* closer to reality and science after all.

>> No.9857675

>>9857670
Fuck off racist, it isn't worth talking to delusional people like you.

>> No.9857677

>>9857675
>>9857670
Why can't we all just be friends.

>> No.9857678

>>9857677
>Why can't we all just be friends.
Because one group here is determined to get artificially outraged whenever people try to be more inclusive to marginalized groups.

>> No.9857679

>>9857670
>muh evo-psych
I'm remiss to come in to a discussion where the supporting viewpoint is The Lord but you know that's bullshit, right? Take psychology and remove any pretense of testability and you have evo-psych. It's pure philosophy with no science to back it up.

>> No.9857680

>>9857675
You have been very rude this thread. Why use a name if you are just going to be a dick to everybody you talk to? Do you want to be remembered as the rude retard who shitposts nontstop?

>> No.9857685

>>9857678
Says the pious little guiltmonger who thinks xer's some kind of fucking forum police. Who's the one who wants to get artificially outraged at everything? Because the other side looks pretty rational to me compared to you.

>> No.9857688

>>9857680
People on here have already been rude to me since I first started posting.

>> No.9857691

>>9857685
>fucking forum police
That is just false, I never wanted anyone to get banned or censored in any way, I was simply stating my viewpoints.

>Who's the one who wants to get artificially outraged at everything?
OP certainly belongs amongsthese people, he made the thread, not me.

>Because the other side looks pretty rational to me compared to you.
What is rational about homophobia?

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Who cares, this isn't /pol/. Stop posting these threads

>> No.9857701

>>9857679
Evo-psych is still a new field, and much of psych is pure B.S., but some aspects of it like cognitive psychology, neuropsychology, psychopharmacology, etc.

Of course it's difficult to establish exact causal links for phenomena, but a lot of primate studies, paleoanthropology and environmental history and the like are also involved in determining what influencing factors are involved. Studies into animal cognition and primitive behavioural phenomena also have plenty of merit.

Evo-psych is predicated on the idea that humans inherited a lot of mammalian characteristics that underly our modern behaviours, that our physiologies still carry some ancient attributes. We still respond to pheromones, still have breeding and hormone cycles, and the way we process information (e.g. heuristics and biases) has some similarities to studied animals.

Like all of science, evo-psych studies for patterns, this one just happens to involve evolutionary reasoning as a motivating factor for much of human behaviour. Much better than "you have oedipal anxiety" and other psychoanalytic mythology.

>> No.9857704

>>9857600
>implying gays shouldn't be burned at stake

>> No.9857705

>>9857691
You NEVER state any viewpoints! All that you have is a couple of liberal/progressive platitudes about homophobia and progressivism - if I wanted to hear more of this steamy crap, I'd go to the comments section of the NYT.

>> No.9857710

>>9857705
>You NEVER state any viewpoints!
What?
>science is inherently progressive and inclusive,
>Yes, but that help would be ACCEPTING THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE and not characterizing them as mentally ill.
And so on.

>All that you have is a couple of liberal/progressive platitudes about homophobia and progressivism
If that is what you dumb right winger want to call my opinions, yes.

>> No.9857712

>>9857710
WHY? Why is it inherently progressive and inclusive? I don't really give a shit about gays (though I do find it weird that people base much of their identity around smacking another man's ass with their dick - why can't we just be classy about it like the ancient Greeks or Japanese?), but why don't you give some ARGUMENTS as to why science should be this rainbow of wonderfulness you want it to be beyond muh progress?

>> No.9857718

>>9857712
don't feed the troll

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OP here. Nice to see my thread growing.

>> No.9857720

>>9857719
This was guaranteed bait and you know it

>> No.9857723

>>9857719
Fuck off right wing bigot.

>> No.9857777

^^^
Why is /sci/ more autistic than /v/ when it comes to taking the bait?

>> No.9857783

>>9857777
Why is not being a hateful bigot bait??

>> No.9857787

>>9857777
Because /sci/ has a truth fetish.

>> No.9857837

>>9857495
>At least giving them some recognition that they are humans too would be nice, you fucking homophobe.
kek

>> No.9857852

collapse of the west is near

>> No.9857858

>>9857489
>Why can't you accept people living how they want to?
Transexuals are insane thats why we cant accept it.

>> No.9857860

>>9857633
Blacks are the majority of the academia in african countries yet still score in the same range as black american retards explain this right now.

>> No.9857864

>>9857860
Socioeconomic factors, Africa is really fucking pure, even the smarter African kids need to help their families and can't develop fully.

>> No.9857872

>>9857864
Thats bullfuck smart africans doing well in school debunks this socioeconomic malarky. Blacks are just stupid fucks as a majority thats why they fail constantly in schools globally as a majority.

>> No.9857873

>>9857500
nah medicine isn't part of stem

>> No.9857880

>>9857499
>transgenders commit suicide because people are mean to them, and not because they are fundamentally unhappy with their bodies and will never be happy with their bodies

No amount of surgery or HRT will turn a man into an attractive woman, nor turn a woman into an attractive man. The answer to this isn't changing people's standards of beauty because that shit doesn't fucking work like that. What people are attracted to depends largely on their own biology and experiences. You can't convince even half of men that someone like Caitlyn Jenner is attractive any more than you can convince people who hate brussel sprouts that brussel sprouts actually taste good, and your preference to not eat them is actually system sprout-phobia.

Maybe instead of encouraging people to mutilate themselves we should encourage them to accept the body they have now. Maybe suicide rates would be lower if we could find a way to keep people with gender dysphoria from feeling like they were born into the wrong body, without undergoing surgery or hormone replacement to give them the 'right' body... which still won't be the 'right' body, anyway.

Ultimately, IDGAF. I think people have a right to live their lives the way they want to and if people want to transition they absolutely can. I'll try to be respectful of that and judge them based on their character rather than their outward appearance. However, I can't help but feel that actually transitioning is neither healthy nor helpful for a transgender person.

>> No.9857888

>>9857499
>Yes, but that help would be ACCEPTING THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE and not characterizing them as mentally ill.
No, that help would be fixing the disfunction.

>> No.9857890

>>9857467
/sci/ is now a left-wing board. We're smart and smart is always different from the consensus. Since 4chan is racist and right-wing, we must not be that way too. Differentiate yourselves. Also, for those that don't know, /pol/ = reddit, even though reddit is overwhelmingly left-wing, go back there

>> No.9857896

>>9857880
Turning from one sex to another is pure science fiction and would require a level of tech centuries from now. It would be better to just use chemicals to make a tranny behave like their genetic sex instead of trying to make them the opposite.

>> No.9857900

>>9857880
lmao at the genes that make you want to try and impregnate a mutilated man . kys tranny degenerates.

>> No.9857901

Looking forward to 'right-wing people in science' day, not because I am right-wing, but because there practically aren't any.
Maybe there are some in engineering..

>> No.9857905

>>9857896
That would be my point, yes.

>>9857900
Did you even fucking read my post?

>> No.9857908

>>9857900
sorry about this it came off too mean, i put in plenty of emoji, but 4chan decided to remove them...

>> No.9857912

>>9857890
Fuck you cunt, i believe in what i want, kill yourself

>> No.9857913

>>9857472
>choice

anon I...

>> No.9857923

>>9857913
Point is: you can't tell me who to have consensual sex with. I thought the right was all about freedom. It just makes me think all this /pol/ stuff is just a big meme and I am being memed into responding to something that should be obvious to everybody.

>> No.9857925

>>9857503
because mathematics is a separate branch that explores the depths of logic without requiring physical objects to study

>> No.9857928

>>9857923
No side is about more freedom or less freedom. They're just about different freedoms.

The right's cool with your right to own guns, speak freely, and refuse service to people(s) you don't like.

The left's cool with your right to fuck who you want, smoke what you want, practice whatever religion you want, and abort whatever kid you want.

>> No.9857931

>>9857928
>refuse service to people(s) you don't like
Here I thought that was already settled during the fight for civil rights. Guess this is different because it's one minority against another.

>> No.9857932

>>9857513
>Obviously not enough.
Is there actually a positive development in suicide rate and overall happiness in the subjects? If not, maybe it's time to accept gender dysphoria as mentall illness and treat it as such, see if that helps.

>> No.9857935

>>9857472
LGBT+ isn't merely
>not hating people because of their origin or their choices in sex partners.
It's a set of manufactured identities, subcultures, and is a political and cultural global entity. It is shilled by every unrelated individual, organistion, and company because it wields political and cultural power. Not because the world has come to some empty notion of 'chauvinistic progressivism is great! we all agree with each other perfectly! oh what a wonderful world and view! all shall be 'us', none can exist in the 'them' because the 'them' aren't human.' No one gives a shit about anything outside their social bubble and immediate career or interests (if any, most don't really have any aside from lapping up and advertising establishment-enforcing entertainment/social media). It is merely adhering to the power that this entity wields and the corresponding trends. It's easier to just go with the narrative, no matter how inconsistent or shallow, or disagreeable to one's culture or ethics. Pursuing reason or clarification is dangerous, going against the flow is death.

Furthermore, it as an entity propagates its own hatred, divisions, and spite. The subcultures it pushes are full of childish and abrasive antics of hate/belligerency, and are seething the late-modern meaninglessness in which no one is capable of natural culture or meaning -- so intent on the artificial and the hazing glittery world, one forgets to have a discernible structure/identity/being/spirit, only fragile pretense reigns -- it is a commodity to be synthesised, seized, and commanded. Almost everyone in the late-modern world is mentally ill, basically. These subcultures are concentrated examples.

>> No.9857936

>>9857932
But anon, that will hurt people's feelings.

>> No.9857939

Is the cardinality of the set of all genders finite, equivalent to ℵ0, or C. Or something else entirely? Furthermore is it denumerable?

>> No.9857944
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9857944

>>9857525
There's no hate.
People's sexual preferences are their own business, and it has nothing to do with either science, or the workplace.
I'll never discriminate a gay person just for being gay, but not only is your sexual orientation none of my business, I also don't care at all. Don't shove it down people's throats, it's obnoxious.

>> No.9857949

>>9857525
>Why can't you leave science
Real science tells us that trans-people are extremely suicidal.
>Because of bullying
A lot of people are being bullied. According to the masses, all blacks are oppressed in america and yet the suicide rate for blacks is average.
Transpeople are suicidal because they are unhappy with themselves, but they are projecting their selfhatred onto society.

>> No.9857954

>>9857596
And treating them as superior human beings make everything go away? Get off your collectivist ideads, that shit killed millions.

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9857955

>>9857596
So were the Irish, Albanians, Christians, Jews, Pagans, the retarded, lepers and literally every minority that could ever be labeled.
Doesn't mean we have to celebrate them in the workplace.

>> No.9857956
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9857956

>>9857474
I don’t care. And literally nothing changed that day at work.
t. Gay maths PhD student

>> No.9857959

>>9857513
>real progress

>numerous legitimate and pervasive problems even the best of countries (no not USA, it's a shithole with much worse things to contend with)
>intently parading snowflakeism, virtue signaling, and the lifestyles of individuals who are not healthy (relative to the rest of the population) and arguably count as mentally ill- this means proper treatment that actually helps, not normalisation/glorification of toxicity that probably got them in that unhealthy state to begin with. Yes, it's not inborn. It'd be like promoting health-related pseudoscience, claiming victims.
>yes of course, this is """"""""""""""real progress""""""""""""
Actual progress would be to actually progress across the board and not satisfy simpletons like you with meaningless (to almost all) minor social issues. Never mind the fact that no one actually knows what goes on in politics because nothing beyond commodified good vs. evil impressions are given by the media.

Or the innumerable other minor social issues that effect much more people than this one.

>> No.9857961

>>9857638
yea genetics are relevant for everything, only not intelligence.

>> No.9857962

>>9857474
only /pol/ people make a big deal about these things

>> No.9857964

>>9857467
Welp, that's one way to tarnish your credibility I guess.

>> No.9857965

>>9857964
Not having any major results since the higgs would be another

>> No.9857976

>>9857954
Exactly. Treating them as everyone else is how you make notions like 'gay' completely natural and irrelevant. Making a game of virtue signalling out of it is only works against this as it groups and segregates people. It's the same with so-called 'racism', racialism is the new racism. It's ridiculous that the USA documents and promotes these, polarising people into artificial groups. And even forcing them on other countries.

>> No.9857990

>>9857718
oh yea because someone that demands reasonable deduction instead of an arbitrary axiom is a troll

>> No.9857992

>>9857901
That's because right-wing people are fucking stupid.

>> No.9857997

>>9857992
if that were true niggers would be right-wing

>> No.9858003

>>9857997
Thanks for proving my point.

A implies B doesn't necessarily mean B implies A. This is basic logic. Also you're a fucking racist.

>> No.9858004

>>9857901
for engineers, it would be right wing/lgbt+ day

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9858021

>>9857890
>and smart is always different from the consensus

>> No.9858034

>>9857472
t. literal faggot
Your kind sickens me deeply. You all have this pathological crave for attention and believe being a faggot gives you the right to being a complete degenerate and break the public moral. Do you want to be a faggot? Go and do it in private, it's your life. But why the fuck should we want to see you or your fuckbuddies parading throught the streets in lingerie? Fuck you.
>inb4 why the homophobia
Fuck you too.

>> No.9858098

>>9857901
>right wing spends literal decades fighting against hard sciences for inconveniently disagreeing with its dogma
>waaah, why are there so fer right wingers in science?

>> No.9858111

>>9858098
true but left is starting to follow the same path

>> No.9858115

>muh left
>muh right
shut up

>> No.9858119

All politics is for brainlets. This is the only correct response to this thread.

>> No.9858121

>>9857890
Following the logic of what you've said
Any true intellectual on this left-wing board would differentiate themselves as right-wing

>> No.9858124

>>9858119
You'd die off as a species

>> No.9858129

>>9858124
What is this even supposed to mean?

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9858131

>>9857467
I have a right not to support behaviours which I personally don't like. I have a right not give a special praise to someone I think does not deserve it. And if sense people which are intrested in scientific topics are getting into some ideology which i am not fond of, associating a passion for ideology-free cold facts with a civil rights movement, i have a reason to oppose it. Keep it away from science. Pic related is retarded and repulsive.
Thats one thing. The other thing is I do not like lgbt and people involved it in at all. I used to not care at all and be open minded etc. However I made up my mind I do not want some behaviours being a norm, I simply find them disgusting.

>> No.9858135

>>9858131
Go cry about it on /pol/ no one cares

>> No.9858144

>>9857965
the shitload of data for statistical analysis is not that bad

>> No.9858148

>>9858135
>the thread about lbgt+ propaganda poisoning stem has almost 200 replies
>no one cares

>> No.9858151

>>9858148
/pol/ babbies infest this entire site, sadly

>> No.9858153

>>9858003
you just equalled right-wingers with niggs as A btw

>> No.9858157

>>9857472
kys lmao

>> No.9858166

>>9857701
>Like all of science
Except evo psych isn't science.

>> No.9858177

>>9858153
No. What the fuck are you talking about? A is right-wingers and B is stupid people in general. How stupid are you?

>> No.9858186

>>9858177
Correction: B is being stupid

I think that's worded better.

>> No.9858188

>>9857710
fagot science is not about accepting people in a sense of being tolerant. science will tell you that person x behaves y because of z. Pure objective mechanisms, progressive and inclusive in a sense, but not in a context you describe. You mix theese two contexts up. We can have a political discussion but not scientific discussion on a question "should people be x?".

>> No.9858225

>>9857890
THIS AND SO MUCH THIS.

But this also mean accepting unconventional mathematics, like mine.
Read my paper at http://www.vixra.org/abs/1806.0082

>> No.9858227

>>9858166
>it's not science because it has the word 'psych' in it
It's not psychology, dumdum

>> No.9858230

>>9858188
Science is politically and has always aimed for a more inclusive and progressive society.

>> No.9858234

>>9858131
>The other thing is I do not like lgbt and people involved it in at all.
Just leave then bigot.

>> No.9858238

>>9857954
>And treating them as superior human beings make everything go away?
Just showing them that they are accepted is enough.

>Get off your collectivist ideads, that shit killed millions.
What?
Are you one of the Peterson guys who believes accepting gays people = communism?

>> No.9858242

>>9857949
>Real science tells us that trans-people are extremely suicidal.
Yes, I don't deny that?
That is why we NEED more inclusion.

>A lot of people are being bullied.
Yes some are mentally stronger then others, bullying the weak ones is what we should focus on first.

>> No.9858277

>>9858242
Transgender people aren't killing themselves because they aren't included, it's because they're rejecting their actual body and sex and no amount of surgery or hormones will let them truly change their sex.

>> No.9858285

A thread died for this

>> No.9858286

>>9857901
Any political extremist in science right or left should be banned, then you suddenly notice all science funding vanishing because the insane left needs propaganda to push its white genocide agenda.

>> No.9858297

>>9857500
>premeds actually believed this

>> No.9858303

>>9858286
>the insane left needs propaganda to push its white genocide agenda.
Another conspiritard.

>> No.9858312

>>9858303
>obvious fact
>"conspiracy"
lol

>> No.9858318

>>9858312
What about "white genocide" is a fact?

Are white people currently being rounded up and put in concentration camps?

>> No.9858323

>>9858318
No. There are many ways to skin a cat.

>> No.9858327

>>9858323
>No. There are many ways to skin a cat.
So enlighten me how are white people in general subject of a genocide?

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>>9858318
>>9858303

>> No.9858332

>>9858238
>Just showing them that they are accepted is enough.
So showing acceptance == throwing parties for them? Because I show my acceptance by treating them fairly, as equals, which is what the left stood for ca. 10 years ago. Why is that not enough anymore?

>> No.9858334

>>9858329
So you have one guy calling for something.

If that were the case you should be OUTRAGED at the thousands of neo nazis calling for the deaths of refugees and Jewish people.

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9858335

>>9858318
>>9858303
>>9858327
Have you considered that many, if not the majority of whites, do not wished to be ethnically displaced by hordes of migrants, yet the oligarchs are doing so anyways?

>> No.9858337

>>9858332
>So showing acceptance == throwing parties for them?
That is potentially a part.

>Because I show my acceptance by treating them fairly, as equals
Yes and if that would have happened throughout history maybe we wouldn't need this.

>> No.9858338

>>9858334
>whataboutism

>> No.9858339

Gays are superior to the heteros in stem. Less focused on traditional status quos and "fitting in" gives the homosexual a robust perspective on society and large and intellectual pursuits

>> No.9858340

>>9858335
>yet the oligarchs are doing so anyways?
Do you think Merkel is being so successful politically because some conspiracy theory or maybe because people support her humanitarian stances?

>> No.9858344

>>9858338
No, this isn't "whataboutism" I was trying to tell you that one guy calling for something doesn't mean it is actually happening, /pol/ is so stupid.

>> No.9858348

>>9858337
You didn't answer my question. Why was acceptance and equality enough some years ago, and why isn't it enough now?

And if they're equal, why do we need to treat them differently? Are you saying they're not equal? If and when you DO consider them equal, will the parties stop?

>> No.9858351

>>9858340
Ah, yes, of course, the government would never conspire against its people and enforce draconian laws -- or fund party propaganda arms in t he media.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/01/12/in-germany-online-hate-speech-has-real-world-consequences

Seems like one can get JAILED for speaking out against their displacement.

>> No.9858353

>>9858348
>Why was acceptance and equality enough some years ago, and why isn't it enough now?
If it was actually happening it would be.

>And if they're equal, why do we need to treat them differently?
Because they have been marginalized.

>> No.9858354

>>9858348
Gays have only recently been granted rights and treated humanely thats why theyre treated as special.

100 years ago most people lived in squalor were extremely ignorant, didnt have time to think or care about social issues

>> No.9858356

>>9858351
>Seems like one can get JAILED for speaking out against their displacement.
No, you get jailed for being a hateful nazi, what is wrong with that?

>> No.9858359

>>9857472
>hate
No one said hate. I personally think LGTBBQ are mentally ill. I don't want their sickness celebrated, I want it addressed and treatment to begin.

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9858361

>>9857467
The irony is that these pride days or whatever are what make people hate gays. Otherwise they'd just be your colleagues, doing their jobs. No one gives a shit.
Maybe one day, after you've known them for a while, they'll tell you about their sexuality.
And you would say
>wow I never noticed, guess you people really do blend into society huh?
But now they're just those entitled faggots who need to have a special day dedicated to themselves just because they like to take it up the ass AND do the same work as everybody else.

>> No.9858362

>>9858359
>I personally think LGTBBQ are mentally ill. I don't want their sickness celebrated
>No one said hate.
Please read this carefully again.

>> No.9858363

>>9857935
/thread

>> No.9858364

>>9858344
>doesn't mean it is actually happening
You were saying?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/03/14/the-us-will-become-minority-white-in-2045-census-projects/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/census-reveals-white-britons-as-minority-in-capital-for-first-time-8405998.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

>> No.9858367

>>9858356
>not wanting to be displaced means you're a hateful Nazi
Okay

>> No.9858368

>>9858364
>You were saying?
Yes, birth rates are a thing.
But it isn't GENOCIDE if white women choose to have less babies with you white racists.

>> No.9858370

>>9858361
you sound exactly like the bitter little anime girl in your pic
i can't believe people waste so much of their time and energy talking about stupid shit like this

>> No.9858372

>>9858367
Not what I said.
I said that the people IMPRISONED were the hateful nazis.

>> No.9858375

>>9858370
THIS.

>> No.9858376

>>9858353
>If it was actually happening it would be.
We're not talking about what was or wasn't happening, but what they asked/are asking of us.

>Because they have been marginalized.
So when will they stop being marginalized? What's the thing we need to achieve for that?
And when we do, will we start treating them no differently than anyone else?

>Gays have only recently been granted rights and treated humanely thats why theyre treated as special.
Will this lead to them not being treated specially? Is this temporary, or will they forever need to be treated like this, because of what happened long ago?

>> No.9858377

>>9858367
Oh you're being displaced? Forcefully moved by your government? Or maybe you just dont like brown people.

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>>9858370
Why waste time replying to me then? Why waste time doing anything?

>> No.9858383

>>9858368
>white women choose to have less babies
Convenient how you ignore immigration policy and actual immigration numbers in your assessment of HOW whites are being displaced.

>>9858372
>Not what I said.

It is what you said, and you have not come up with a SINGLE rebuttal that wasn't equivalent to some mindless platitude or anecdote. It's hilarious that a Redditing namefag who calls himself "The Lord" has an IQ so close to his body temperature. You arguing with people who can run circles around you intellectually.

>> No.9858384

>>9858379
don't reply to me, dumb anime poster

>> No.9858385

>>9857467
Why are people so upset that they celebrate one fucking day for lgbt? Most people in CERN probably don't even know about this; it's just the management trying to appear more inclusive.

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>>9858384
rude

>> No.9858389

>>9858383
>Convenient how you ignore immigration policy and actual immigration numbers in your assessment of HOW whites are being displaced.
But Immigration doesn't DISPLACE whites, you can stay where you are, even with Immigrants.
Fucking hell, you are stupid.

>It is what you said, and you have not come up with a SINGLE rebuttal that wasn't equivalent to some mindless platitude or anecdote. It's hilarious that a Redditing namefag who calls himself "The Lord" has an IQ so close to his body temperature. You arguing with people who can run circles around you intellectually.
Not an argument.

>> No.9858390

>>9858376
>Will this lead to them not being treated specially?
They have been treated specially (negatively) for the longest time, this is just making things right.

>Is this temporary, or will they forever need to be treated like this, because of what happened long ago?
If discrimination has ended and everyone is equal, then this will happen all by itself and no one will feel excluded.

>> No.9858393

>>9858385
>Why are people so upset that they celebrate one fucking day for lgbt?
Because that is what right wing bigots love to do.

>> No.9858395

>>9858389
>But Immigration doesn't DISPLACE whites, you can stay where you are, even with Immigrants.
Ah, but in order to retain majority status in their own nations, they must breed like rabbits, play the welfare system, and reduce themselves to squalor. Got it.

Better not PLAN for my children's future or invest in an education/trade/career. Better just pop em' out like I just got asylum/crossed the border and rely on the government for handouts. I'm not REALLY being displaced, bigots.

>> No.9858401

>>9858390
You forgot to answer all but my last two questions.

Also
>They have been treated specially (negatively) for the longest time, this is just making things right.
Is not an answer to my question:
>Will this lead to them not being treated specially?

>If discrimination has ended and everyone is equal, then this will happen all by itself and no one will feel excluded.
So if they stop being discriminated, we'll still treat them differently, only for no reason?

>> No.9858404

>>9858395
>Ah, but in order to retain majority status in their own nations, they must breed like rabbits, play the welfare system, and reduce themselves to squalor.
If they were against that they would vote against it, but as you can see with the continued elections of Merkel this isn't an issue for most people.

>> No.9858406

>>9858401
>So if they stop being discriminated, we'll still treat them differently
Any human is obviously treated differently then other humans.
The goal is not having false stereotypes and biases against LGTBQ folks.

>> No.9858407

>>9858404
It's difficult to say if this issue would be a concern for 60%+ of the people instead of, say, 40%, if Germans weren't being INCARCERATED for speaking out against their displacement.

>> No.9858408

Worst thread in a long time. You all clearly want to be on /pol/ right now so just go there instead of shitting up /sci/

>> No.9858412

>>9858407
>if Germans weren't being INCARCERATED
Its just the nazis that are, there is an anti Immigration party, which is far from cracking the 20%.
There is no public support for closed borders.

>> No.9858415

>>9858406
Now you only answered one measly question.

>Any human is obviously treated differently then other humans.
We're talking about a specific group of humans, identified by just one solitary characteristic.

>The goal is not having false stereotypes and biases against LGTBQ folks.
I thought the goal was treating them specially because of the sins of our forefathers.
I'm all against false stereotypes and biases.

>> No.9858416

>>9858362
How is that supposed to be hate? If I think that those who have cancer are sick that doesn't mean that I hate them.

>> No.9858419

>>9857928
One of those things is discrimination.

People should be allowed to own guns, speak freely, smoke weed, fuck whoever they want, or do wharever they want to their body to feel happy.

It is fucking shitty for a business owner to discriminate against someone for being gay or trans which is not a choice.

I'm fine with people being denied service for reasons that they can choose, but not something like being gay or straight.

>> No.9858420

>>9858415
>Now you only answered one measly question.
It is the only one you asked in your post.

>We're talking about a specific group of humans, identified by just one solitary characteristic.
Of course we are.

>I thought the goal was treating them specially because of the sins of our forefathers.
No, it is just doing what is right, because it hasn't been done right in the past.

>I'm all against false stereotypes and biases.
So you should support this.

>> No.9858422

>>9858416
>How is that supposed to be hate?
LOL

>> No.9858424

>>9857525
>Why can't you leave science alone and stop spreading your hate??
why do you call it hate?

I'm indifferent to other people's sexuality, in fact, if they're glad being gay or tranny, awesome, but why is there a need to ram it down people's throats?

I don't go around saying being straight is rad

>> No.9858425

>>9857472
Fuck off.

>> No.9858426

>>9858422
Mentally ill faggot confirmed.

>> No.9858428

>>9858425
LOL, /pol/ is mad.

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>>9858428
>ctrl-F The Lord
>69 matches

>> No.9858431

>>9858428
>le /pol/ is mad X)
Fuck off Reddit there is no place in science for your stupid mental illness bullshit.

>> No.9858432

>>9858422
>can't answer my question
> replies with "LOL" instead
it's 1:0 for me I gues

>> No.9858435

>>9858430
Yes, being against irrational hate and fearmongering is bait.

>> No.9858437

>>9858432
No, it is obvious how that is hate.
I don't have to give you a thought out explanation why "gas the Jews" might be a hateful phrase.

>> No.9858438

>>9858420
You're right, that was technically only one question, one statement about how you're not answering all my questions anymore, and one statement about how your response didn't fit my question.
So how about addressing those two statements?

As for all your other points, it seems clear to me that you're contradicting yourself, talking in circles, and not addressing any questions you can't answer anymore. That's enough for me to draw the conclusion that you're either trolling, or you're unable to handle the uncomfortable reality that you're wrong. I had fun debating you.
Good night, and God bless.

>> No.9858440

>>9858437
I never said that.

>> No.9858442

>>9858438
>So how about addressing those two statements?

>So when will they stop being marginalized?
Depends on how accepting people are.

>What's the thing we need to achieve for that?
Offer them an inclusive environment.

>And when we do, will we start treating them no differently than anyone else?
Once all stigmas have been removed tolerance will happen by itself.

>> No.9858443

>>9858435
>irrational

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2820045/

>> No.9858444

>>9858440
>I never said that.
Yes you didn't.
But that is what people with an IQ of above 90 call an "analogy".

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best thread on /sci/ now hands down

>> No.9858505

>>9858356
Now you're just twisting his words.

>> No.9858509

>>9858505
No, he is misrepresenting what is happening in Germany.

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>>9858412
By this logic, the Hungarians and their government are """Nazis"".
Great critical thinking my man.

>> No.9858521

>>9858520
>By this logic, the Hungarians and their government are """Nazis"".
Not quite, although they are getting there.

>> No.9858523

>>9858437
Twisting words and putting words in people's mouths.
Because that's how arguing works.

>> No.9858525

>>9858521
I don't see what's wrong with not letting guests into your house.

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>>9857472
>being a faggot is a choice as opposed to an inborn trait

>> No.9858532

This thread has 200+ replies while a cryptography/stenography thread is slowing falling down the bump ladder. You guys all suck. This isn't political discourse.

Even though identities and the sciences are politicized, we can try and have a debate around it. How's this: LGBT people are here to stay, and there are a number of them in the sciences. A post on twitter about being appreciative of a group that has been made fun of in TV and popular media up until the last 10 or so years is a very, very, very small thing. Everybody who agrees with the twitter post should just smile slightly and like while the others should just scroll down. It's not that hard.

>> No.9858539

>>9858532
I really appreciate your concern, but you do realize that cryptography is a much more specific and narrowed down subject than the one in this thread.

>> No.9858540

>>9858531
That isn't what I said.

But yes, gay people make a choice with whom they have sex, it is irrelevant to me whether they make these choices because they were born attracted to a different gender or because they just feel like it.

>> No.9858544

>>9857500
On the one hand, welcome to the Berenstain universe. On the other, how likely is it that Medicine needed to join a cringe boomer campaign to get more women interested in it in The Current Year.

>> No.9858546

>>9858539
Yes, but what I'm saying is that it's very much in the culture of mathematics and a good topic to talk about on /sci/. The hard fact is that LGBT people are a part of society, and by extension, they are a part of the coming generations of STEM. Alan Turing was one of the most brilliant minds of the last century. I would rather sooner accept a public post about being proud of an identity than have the sciences lose yet another brilliant mind.

>> No.9858551

>>9857481
>research
>inherently anti-bigotry
wow

>> No.9858553

>>9858177
there are 3 properties, right wing, stupid and black. A, B and C respectively. A -> B and C-> B. So you mean A doesn't imply C over B, you freaking retard. Not agreeing with the racist, but you are dumb.

>> No.9858554

>>9858551
Yes, science is progressive, inherently so.

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>>9858546
I couldn't agree more, but the only difference between alan turing and the modern lgbt members is that he wasn't an obnoxious little shit and was a humble person despite all the goods he did for his society.

>> No.9858559

>>9858242
the trend of inclusion has literally done nothing. If you can provide me a correllation, i accept your statement

>> No.9858561

>>9858554
words like "bigotry" and "progress" have been abused by the left to mean completely different things than their actual definition

>> No.9858563

man these feminists take over everything
win after win

>> No.9858564

>>9857467
>CERN
It was inevitable that CERN would get into SJW shit. It's a huge (multi-)government run institution.

>> No.9858566

>>9858563
Yes, being on the right side of History helps.

>> No.9858567

>>9858546
anyone worth shit doesn't need a day celebrating their identity to stay interested in science, otherwise there should be "white history month", "international men's day" and "straight pride week"

>> No.9858568

>>9857923
In fairness, no one should need to tell you that having homosex is wrong. It is fairly obvious. If you are honest with yourself, you know homosexuals feel bad about it, when they are alone. It is socially unacceptable, no matter what people say or how well-meaning they are, and it leads to problems like drug addiction, alienation and suicide. Don't do it.

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>>9858242
>>9858554
Hey why don't we focus on collectivism instead of individualism these days?

If you're so much pro-progress, then you should be focusing on more generic and problematic issues instead of ranting about identity and equality in a first world country that has already achieved these statuses.

>> No.9858576

>>9858563
It's government policy.

>> No.9858578

>>9858556
The people you talk about, whether you agree with the politics or not, are generally not a part of stem culture. This is anecdotal, but I research with a large range of people with different sexualities. While we don't discuss it during lab work or the office, it is undeniable that this feeling of belonging is a new phenomenon for them. Alan Turing looked humble and all, but he ultimately killed himself over what the law had to say about him as a person. In that regard, it's easy to see why people are so vocal about LGBT support. I don't claim to completely understand it, and sometimes it's a bit circle jerky, but I think that, at least for STEM, it's way more good than it is bad.

>> No.9858580

>>9857890
The consensus view in our society, for the last twenty years or more is that of leftism. If you are smart, the choice should be obvious.

>> No.9858581

the truth is, I'm a MtF transgender
it probably had something to do with my schizophrenia and all that sissy porn I watch but what's done is done and if you guys challenge my identity I'm compelled to attack
I'll shortly reply to this post as if I'm a different person, I'm sure you all understand

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>>9858568

>> No.9858584

>>9857467
not science
just a cultural trend
keep calm and carry on

>> No.9858585

>>9858575
>If you're so much pro-progress, then you should be focusing on more generic and problematic issues instead of ranting about identity and equality in a first world country that has already achieved these statuses.
It would be nice if that were possible and the right wing bigots just stopped.

>>9858581
This isn't me by the way, just another right wing bigot sperging out.

>> No.9858587

>>9858575
um actually, the US is the most racist and violent country in the world, ask anyone

>> No.9858592

>>9858238
i accept them by not giving a flying fck about their sexuality, unlike you. Like i don't give a flying fck about anyone else that i don't know. And if i know them, i might care, but not because of the way they choose to get one off.

Treating someone different for being part of a specific group doesn't do anything positive. If you want to treat lgbtq folks better because they have been marginalized, you have to treat blacks better, and christians, jews, females and pretty much anyone, since almost everybody fullfills a property of a once marginalized group. Why do some people with different sexualities and some disorders deserve better than the rest of the world?

>> No.9858596

>>9858567
Nobody needs it. Everyone in my office was like, "Oh that's neat. That's nice," but then moved on. You guys. It's a twitter post with some likes. The most it's gonna mean is donuts before conducting the day's studies. These people are interested in science.

The reason there isn't "white history month" is because white refers to a majority of US and European history. Black history month in the US. while also a bit of a misnomer, clearly focuses on African American history in the United States. As for white history of the United States? If you took any history or APUSH class in high school, well, you learned it. International Men's Day? The claim is that the day exists for women since the world generally contextualizes everyday life around men. Your mileage may vary with that claim, so I won't fight you there.

Straight week? Straight is by far the most common type of sexuality out there. No one bullies you for being straight (they may bully you for being lustful and awkward, etc., but not for just being straight). Being gay has been a thing that people have made fun of for years. Having a day to celebrate that a lot of people want that to be done with isn't really a bad thing. Most people who I've seen go to pride just go to affirm the fact that they can be okay with liking people and having committed, non heterosexual relationships, and then they just go back to their lives. Pride does nothing to change the way I live my life.

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>>9858585
Listen, the existence of both sides are needed for maintaining the ideological balance.
What I'm saying is that you need to pull your head out of your ass and look at the bigger picture for the sake of the progression of your country.
Isn't the treatment that minorities get these days enough? Hell I'm an immigrant myself, but I don't go around and ask for undeserved / more than equal privilege.
I want to prove having my privilege through hard work and dedication, not just by being a middle eastern.

>> No.9858599

>>9858596
This guy gets it.

I am sure he will also greatly appreciate my revolutionary paper: http://www.vixra.org/abs/1806.0082

>> No.9858601

>>9858592
>fck
Sweetie, mommy's not here, so it's okay to say bad words, alright?

>> No.9858602

>>9858587
They're way more tolerant than pakis and indians to my knowledge and experience.

>> No.9858604

>>9858598
>Isn't the treatment that minorities get these days enough?
Evidently it isn't.

>Hell I'm an immigrant myself, but I don't go around and ask for undeserved / more than equal privilege.
Okay, but depending on *what kind* of Immigrant you are you might be significantly mistreated.

>> No.9858605

>>9858587
If the U.S. was all-white it would have a crime rate similar to Belgium. Could you guess why that might be?

>> No.9858609

>>9858596
that's a pretty good point
I guess it just bothers me (along with a lot of LGBT stuff) because it seems like its purpose is a political statement rather than genuine good will

>> No.9858610

>>9858604
>83 posts by this ID
This guy is schizo/manic or something.

>> No.9858611

>>9858605
>If the U.S. was all-white it would have a crime rate similar to Belgium. Could you guess why that might be?
No more racial discrimination and victimized black and Hispanic folks pushed into commiting crime?

>> No.9858612

>>9858602
Indian-Americans and Pakistani-Americans are generally fine dude. At most, the FOB-y ones are awkward and smelly, but the ones that grow up in Western countries are generally like any other person. Hell, a good amount of times, the push for academic success they have with East Asian diaspora tends to make them more interesting to talk with about stem subjects than some other people.

>> No.9858613

>>9858385
why don't they celebrate one fucking day for the toe-haired? we deserve it, we are people just like you and we're SICK of your HATEFUL discrimination.

>> No.9858614

>>9858610
No, I am an upcoming mathematician, here is my most recent paper: http://www.vixra.org/abs/1806.0082

>> No.9858615

>>9858609
I feel that, but I think it's important to separate those who are LGBT and live their lives like you and me and the politicization of their identities as propaganda, whether it comes from the right or the left.

>> No.9858616

>>9858611
How about GENETICS, you Dunning-Kruger retard? And so what if there is a white bias in a country made by whites?

>> No.9858617

>>9858602
>>9858605
I wasn't even trying to bait you, it was just supposed to be funny, but I'll accept these (you)s regardless

>> No.9858622

>>9858615
personally if I was gay or one of those groups I would be fucking pissed about those pride parades for the image they create

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>>9858610
or something even worse

>> No.9858624

>>9858614
>All of these papers at a undergrad sophomore level
Damn

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>>9858604
>evidently it's not
Jesus man how much attention and care is enough?
As an Iranian I'm extremely satisfied with the hospitality of Canadian people, we don't even deserve this much kindness from them.
Despite the political turmoil that's going on between the west and Iran, they still host public traditional celebrations of our holidays and much more.
I bet the same goes for the lgbt community as well and they have a pride day to themselves too, as well as much more privileges that makes them equal to straights and natives.

>> No.9858630

>>9858614
I'm getting the feeling that you're actually false flagging as a liberal, you're nailing every stereotype on the nose

>> No.9858632

>>9857508
If they pay for it, why shouldn't it be allowed? I wonder really just how much better things would be if other procedures were informed consent too and medicine was more of a business than a "public good". Meaning you wouldn't be paying for everyone else's procedures with your own money but would have more freedom to pay for treatment that you wanted and could afford.

>> No.9858633

>>9858444
Yes, because "we need to change our tactics in dealing with gender dysphoria, since the current techniques like genital mutilation are failing." is analogous tom"gas the jews!"

>> No.9858637

>>9858633
>"yeah bro a suicide rate of 43% is totally just people being bigots and not the product of any underlying pathology, let's keep mutilating their genitals"

It's a truly remarkable thought process

>> No.9858638

>>9857472
>Implying you should not let your wizards focus soley on science.


Gender is a social construct

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>>9858637

>> No.9858640

>>9858632
obviously no one can stop an adult from doing what they want to their own body, but there shouldn't be so much social stigma against therapy treatment for it and in favor of indulging it
you couldn't even have gender dysphoria therapy available at a hospital cause it would start riots

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>>9858638
Good lord, you people are easy to bait.
I don't think I have ever gotten this many (You)s in an entire threat.
I am also not even the shizo with that retarded "paper".

>> No.9858648

>>9858644
I called you on it bitch >>9858630

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>>9858644
Hey, blame it on /Sci/'s truth fetish, I guess.

>> No.9858653

>>9858601
fuck you, retarded nigger whore

>> No.9858654

>>9858644
nice job outing yourself as The Lord

No one will ever fall for it again now that we all know who you are

>> No.9858657

>>9858648
That didn't stop people from responding.

>> No.9858666

>>9858657
Good job famalam, keep up the good work.

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>most popular /sci/ thread
>not even about science
well done op, well done

>> No.9858675

>>9858644
Was still fun arguing with you

>> No.9858678

>>9858653
billy I don't want to hear that ever again, you're getting a good spanking when I get home

>> No.9858682

>>9858644
8/10 fairly convincing, came on a little strong but those people exist so you never know

why don't you tell us what you really think now

>> No.9858687

>>9857472
promoting any kind of sexual behavior is wrong in something so importing as CERN, sex and love is for stupid normies

>> No.9858708

>/sci/ being this triggered by some guy that calls racist, homophobic and transphobic fucks out

>> No.9858716

>>9858708 (You)

>> No.9858934

>>9857472
>REEEE stop having different opinions!
Tripfags deserve death.

>> No.9859015

>>9858708
>>9858644

>> No.9859032

>>9859015
That just makes racist fucks look more stupid.

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>>9857467
>666

>> No.9859057

>>9858644
>Revealing your power level.
The only one who has lost here is you desu.

>> No.9859649

>>9859050
fuck...

>> No.9859862

>>9857484
your way of thinking cannot withstand modern thought on trannies

>> No.9859998

>>9859862
what do you mean by that?