/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9850415
It makes liberals cry when you point out that some people are naturally smarter than others are, and that intelligence is hereditary.

>>9850415
What makes you think Galois had "such a grasp" of mathematics?
He failed multiple entrance exams and his writing was so shit it took like 10 years for people to make it publishable.

He had some very great ideas, but if anything Galois should be an inspiration to you that anybody can have great ideas no matter how much of a faggot you are.

>>9850420
>some people are naturally smarter
Wrong.

>intelligence is hereditary
Wrong.

>>9850424
He was just an example. This thread isn’t meant to be focused on him.

>>9850415
Little common sense and a high ability to notice patterns, as well as good memory

A lack of common sense is helpful in mathematics because it lets you think purely in terms of the mathematical rules instead of getting hung up on the "but that doesn't make any sense"

>>9850424
and unsurprisingly, the reason for his failure was not that he was a brainlet

>>9850426
>Wrong.

>>9850434
>le funny basedboy meme

Not an argument.

>>9850437
true though

>>9850433
>incapable of explaining university-level math to a professor who already understands it
sounds pretty low IQ to me

>>9850415
>How are some people so smart?

They are born in France or in Germany. Descartes literally invented the scientific method.

>>9850439
no it's just autism

how do i inprove my genetics?

>>9850434
Don't demand without delivering, faggot

>>9850415
>What goes on in their heads?
Thought. Deep, deep, thought. Normies couldn't even fathom it.

>>9850433

the funny part is that most examiners at polytechnique are not just regular math profs, they used to be extremely famous mathematicians like Jordan, Cauchy, Hermit and so on

so it seems more like a case of "imverysmart" than actually him being "too smart"

>>9850563
by killing yourself and hoping you're reincarnated as master race

>>9850424
Yeah no, read his papers and you'll know. The guy had his field theory down (despite there being no notion of fields at the time). Of course, he's a bit handwavy but he clearly understood the Galois correspondence, he characterized equations solvable in radicals in terms of the Galois group, he proved the simplicity of PSL(2,q). All of that without knowing what a group or a field is.

>>9850569
what does this even mean? retard

Leopold Infeld pretty convincingly reconstructed Galois' "first love" with math at the age of 16 as a form of inner escapism, binge-reading widely available textbooks by LeGendre and Lagrange. Grothendieck later wrote that he found this novel inspiring. you can skim the (((political))) commie segments though

besides natural talent, back then the boundaries of science were much closer, you could literally start original research after finishing the first textbook about the topic. such noob-accessible domains are rare these days.

>>9850426
>Wrong.
Wrong.

>>9850563
You don't. kys faggot

>>9850444
So does this mean that the French and German races are superior to other races?

>>9850420
>some people are naturally smarter than others are, and that intelligence is hereditary.
Nobody disagrees with that, Hans. What they disagree with is the idea that most black people are inherently dumb and antisocial and should be deported or exterminated for the good of society.

>>9850834

>>9850969
>Nobody disagrees with that,
why do you think you can just lie like this?
Hans
das racist

>>9850969
Libs can disagree with scientific fact but Richard Lynn begs to differ.

>>9850430
>>9850576
Is it possible to learn this ability?

>>9851042

>>9850426
>>9850434
>>9850834
>nuh-uh!

>>9850426
i think maybe its true. just like how you were probably smarter than the shit kids in school and some tried really hard but were still shit

Crazy how people keep blaming genetics instead of just reading books... really makes u think

>>9851874
whats stopping you genius?

>>9851039
>espousing a psychologist

>>9851910
he just got kicked out of a shit university. his status is as good as mine. disgraced.

>>9850837
No because that would be racist.

>>9850426
This is a pretty crazy outlook, since it implies that stupid people are only stupid because they were lazy
A 60 IQ mentally handicapped person wants to be a retard by choice, right?

>>9852134
Correct, people think great minds were lucky enough to be born with the mental capabilities they are know for, what they dont know is that every legendary mathematician, physicist etc worked an innumerable amount of hours at their craft. e.g. Issac Newton. During the time he was developing calculus, his roommate stated he would work close to 18-20 hours a day on it for about 6-8 months. Thats close to 3.3k hours in total in that short amount of time, thats fucking mental. What truly separates common humans from these special breeds is their tenacity, these crazy fuckers wont stop till theyre dead. Shit, Einstein died solving equations. In summary, you want to be considered a genius and acheive feats similar or better than geniuses before you? Work just as hard or even harder than they did.

>>9850969
>Majority blacks commit violent crimes in US
>Majority whites racist and only target blacks
Based on your statement, I would assume you would say the first statement is false, and argue the second statement is true.

Do you believe only dumb criminals get caught?

>>9852189
have you considered that having a high IQ, which helps you to solve problems (for obvious reasons) might be the cause that these people enjoy dedicating long hours to solving problems in the first place?

>>9852189
b-but my (((giqtest.com))) scores...

>>9852189
>>9852206
I'm not sure where I stand on this.

I'm not a natural math wizard, but I do enjoy solving problems, which manifests itself through an autistic resolve to comprehend abstract mathematical concepts through sheer force of will. I essentially "get it", although it's rarely effortless.

>>9852206
Not necessarily, there are persistent people that get better results than far smarter people. Obviously, there is the base level of making it to a PhD program, but after that, anything goes.
There are many instances of IMO kids or extremely bright undergrads who don't make it into research because, although they are insanely good at problem solving, research also requires that patience of sitting on your ass for weeks learning new stuff, which they have probably never needed to do.
Some people just excel at undergrad math because they don't have to remember a lot of things, and can reconstruct the whole curriculum from scratch as needed.
At the graduate level, that does not work because of the sheer quantity of stuff to absorb (which never ends) and they may realize that they don't really like it anymore.
They might turn turn to stimulating industry careers like quant or things like that, where only their cleverness is required.

>>9850415
when i was a kid i had bad anxiety so i liked counting things
it gave my mind something to do when in overstimulating situations
pretty much the entirety of my mathematical exploration comes from me daydreaming about the relationships of systems. it's easier and less stressful than trying to do more interactive things or worry about deadlines or life stress like taxes, dying relatives, or conducting business.

it's just nested in how i view and think about the world, largely as a dependency thing and a way to process the information landscape i'm experiencing through life. it helps me function to have some systems framework to map my real-world environment to, and doing the analysis brings me to a more peaceful and less distressed mental state.

i think this is probably true for a lot of people, trying to digest information very granularly and parse out patterns. i'm going to ignore the preface to your question that it's about being smart, and just say that it's probably a more natural pattern in their thoughtspace rather than rigorously studying textbooks.

building a broad foundation of mathematics before choosing specialization can seem extraordinarily chorish. having a very personalized interest that you naturally enjoy thinking about can motivate you to more granularly absorb relevant information from corroborating fields in a more natural way.

tl;dr
they like doing it so they do it a lot
the first four hours of my morning are spent looking at new publications and sometimes doing parallel research so i can understand the motivations for the publication -- not because i'm dedicated and diligent, but because i'm lazy and don't want to get up out of bed and start doing real work for other people. it's like a resting state to just absorb and digest information.

>>9852298
>natural pattern in their thoughtspace
I think you hit the nail there. I don't consider myself a smart guy, but I usually make connections a lot faster than my peers. My grand strategy is to try to understand as deep as I can the most simple concepts (and that is really useful in Engineering).

I think it all boils down to different life strategies.

>>9851874
maybe because the rate they learning things doesn't produce enough dopamine over time to keep them going

>>9852206
I firmly believe that iq develops the more you engage in problem solving and abstract thinking, its to the brain, what weight lifting is to muscles

>>9852189

>>9853004

>>9852189

THTA'S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS YOU DISHONEST SHITTIT

sometimes it's both

>>9853049
how does it then, plox elaborate

>>9853236
read this book if you want to learn more

>>9853357
looks interesting, but regardless, id rather work torwards being smart rather than saying "welp im not born to be smart so ill just fap and smoke weed"

>>9853363
right, but read the book, it's worth it.

>>9852189
being smart /=/ solving problems instantly

>>9852189
>e.g. Issac Newton. During the time he was developing calculus, his roommate stated he would work close to 18-20 hours a day on it for about 6-8 months
Do you have a source for this?

>>9850444
Back then it wasn't so hard to shine when everyone else was so dull!

>>9850415
>considers galois smart
>died in a duel age 20

>>9850433
why are wikipedia articles written like casual high school essays nowadays?

>>9850563
seduce a qt grill from a powerful family

>>9850444
>Descartes literally invented the scientific method.
False. See Francis Bacon.

>>9852189
Shhhh. You're supposed to shill the IQ meme on here. That said, you're right when it comes to the vast majority of people (which is a reasonable target demographic) but IQ's on either end of the spectrum play roles. There are IQ-related reasons why some people need to be supervised their entire lives and why others enter college at the age of 11. I think we can all agree that we'd rather be of the latter than the former, but no amount of intelligence will compensate for a lethargic and passive attitude.

>>9852227
Well said

>>9851042
Not from a Jedi

>>9850420
What liberals disagree with is the idea that you can definitively tell a specific individual's intelligence and temperament purely by looking at their skin color.

>>9853707
and it started over a girl, no less. he refused to back down because of his ego.
he got rejected from the top school in france and was butthurt over it.
he'd been in and out of jail throughout his life.
then died in a gunfight.
galois was secretly a nigger. who knew?

>>9854328
>tfw there's a nog in the hood somewhere who could break down IUTT if only we could get him to look at it before he dies at age 20

people are different by birth. it's a hard pull to swallow but also one of the most solid and definitely true facts of life. some are gifted and some are destined to be manual laborers.

>>9850415
Does having a higher iq mean having more and consistent mental energy? I feel like the biggest cap on my mental prowess is just not know what my energy levels are going to be or weather or not I'll be able to sleep at night.

>>9854351
lot easier to make up your own bullshit then have someone else decipher it

>>9850415
There’s a lot of variance in intelligence but the biggest factor is believing the hype

>>9853854
It's " England doesn't accept the superiority of France since 2000 years " episode

I love these episode

>>9853357
>>9853363
You're welcome
https://ia800105.us.archive.org/17/items/TheNeuroscienceOfIntelligence/The-Neuroscience-of-Intelligence.pdf
And thank you for the recommend

>>9850415
how do you pronounce this faggots name
du sautoy spends way to much time talking about him just cause muh group theory

>>9852216
>an autistic resolve to comprehend abstract mathematical concepts through sheer force of will
fuck this is too real

>>9854814
>hurrr
Galois died at age 20 in a gunfight over being disrespected over a roastie.
He died like a nigger.
But he was white frenchman with insights into algebra so deep they transformed the field.
If you don't see the significance, you should probably just hang yourself today, unironically

>>9853554
kek

I'm just jealous

>>9855136
Gælwaa is how I'd write it

Anons please i need some advices.

1/ I got 3 Masters degree's in Finance, Strategy and Marketing all with magna cum laud in great school in EU;
2/ Got 32 years, Be in a big consultant firm on N4 position (N6 = Max);
3/ Be an oustanding problem solver with ideas/solutions coming instantly from nowhere;
4/ Tested 140 IQ +;
5/ Struggling as fuck with math problems. I can solve them with time but at first I panic, my brain become blurry and i'm paralyzed..;

What's wrong with me ? Maths and sciences are fascinating me. I feel the beauty and the purity of those fields. My people think about me that my logical is ridiculous. But put me a math problem (it can be basic) and I turn in monkey mod.

It's like maths make me scary as fuck.

What's wrong with me ? I'm crazy ? I really want to open some book and dive deeply into, but i can't...It's painful, my entire body say : " dont touch this, it's not for you, you'are not good enough, you are a impostor...

PS: ENTJ here...

>>9852189
But we don't know and will never know how much some "intelligence" factor accounts for how much you can be passionate about hard subjects, making it easier for you to work on it all the time precisely because the subject is easier therefore rewarding for you

>>9850415
He had one of those personalities which can't get enough of external stimuli, and carries everything he learns from the world in his head. Thomas Aquinas was another one.

>>9850415
Parents and work ethic.

First, their parents always hire them advanced private tutors, such as Von Memeian and Terrry Tao who had post-doc researchers come explain math concepts to them at an early age.
Second, their work ethnic was to refuse to not know something about a field, so worked very hard to learn the entire field they were interested in while the rest of brainlets just ran around afterschool doing fuck all. The best example was Isaac Newton, who would re-read books dozens of times until he considered himself 'master of the whole'. I don't know about you but I don't have the patience to read Descartes Geometry over 30 times.

Is iq almost entirely based on how you were raised and the nutrition/mental stimulation you were given as well as the information you had access to? I ask because mine is above 2 sd to the right and I grew up in a nice neighborhood given everything I needed and went to a private school and my father always had servers/electronics in the house and I learned how networks and hardware worked from a young age which gave rise to using logic early. Apparently I was speaking fluently at an extremely young age as well but I can’t remember any of that.

>>9855126
but the normans conquered england

>He graduated from the “Collège Cévenol” and became a student at Montpellier in 1945. Then the period of his scientific training began. From the outset Grothendieck surprised his elders. Working independently, he reinvented “the Lebesque integral” (which dated back to 1902) to calculate complex volumes.

>"In the mind of the two or three older colleagues with whom I discussed this effort (or to whom I even showed a manuscript), it amounted to wasting his time and simply “retreading old ground”. I do not remember being disappointed, either. At that time, the idea of enhancing my “reputation", whether that meant gaining the approval of others or getting them interested in the work I was doing, was not part of the way I thought. […] Without even knowing it, I learned by myself the core elements of a mathematician’s work - core elements that no teacher can really teach. Without having ever been told, without having ever met someone who shared my thirst for my knowledge, I think I still knew in my gut that I was a mathematician: someone who was working on math in the truest sense of the term - “making” math like “making” love. To me, mathematics was like a mistress who would always be open to fulfilling my desires. These lonely years have laid the foundation of trust that has never been shaken.

https://al3x.svbtle.com/alexander-grothendieck

>>9858030
cool post but if he saw a hot girl would he be alexander growing dick?

>>9850415

he kinda looks like Elliott rodger

>>9859964

the global thottery has been producing victims since forever

>>9850769
No they are not.

>>9860078
then list some

>>9858030
>I think I still knew in my gut that I was a mathematician: someone who was working on math in the truest sense of the term - “making” math like “making” love. To me, mathematics was like a mistress who would always be open to fulfilling my desires.

>>9860081
Neuuroscience, machine learning, much of medicine honestly - not that much has been done from rigorous physics and mathematical approach

>>9853555
Everything you want to know about Isaac Newton's crazy life is at King's College, Cambridge, in M. Keynes's collection of rare books illustrating the history of European thought, bequeathed to King's in 1946 and is filled with Newton stuff like how he learned Descartes Geometry 3 volume set by re-reading the texts something like 100+ times. He would read and work examples for himself until he got stumped, then go back to the beginning of the book and do it all over again. Repeat this 100 or so times and that's how he learned Geometry.

Newton was essentially a machine in terms of production of work. Much of his work he didn't even release until his critics had died, and the work he did release he intentionally made it so inaccessible to laymen that no critic could understand it. Keep in mind they had media back then just like now, and Newton was involved in politics so TMZ Cambridge would write these hit jobs on Newton repeatedly. His work in physics/math is dwarfed by his other work in humanities and chemistry. His even wrote a very well researched book in which he claims Christianity went astray in the 4th century AD, when the first Council of Nicaea propounded erroneous doctrines of the nature of Christ. At the same time as all this he help various chairs and and was elected to various positions, plus he ran the mint.

>>9861289
*held various chairs

>>9850415
if someone was born in france or germany, one would born smart.
Im not

>>9861289
Cool shit. If Newton was alive today they would medicate him for being obsessive.

>>9861314
Abe Licoln was the same way. He felt ashamed for being in congress without an education, so everyday afterwards he spent at least 5 hours going through Euclid's Elements book one through 5. If you look up some of his speeches he often verbally shred some other politcian's illogical argument quoting propositions he learned in The Elements

>>9852189
Thanks for completely misunderstanding my post.

>>9850415
So there is this post on Quora, but i would love to know how understanding of high level maths shows in everyday life ...
https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-understand-advanced-mathematics-Does-it-feel-analogous-to-having-mastery-of-another-language-like-in-programming-or-linguistics

>>9861712
Very little of the actual content (maybe basic algebra, logic, stats and elementary probabilistic reasoning) turns out to be useful in day-to-day life, but there are some things you pick up doing math that can make life easier: eg. being patient, being able to assimilate new definitions and their implications very quickly, making quick deductions, thinking of examples and counterexamples for everything, being precise when you speak, being able to extract common features to several situations, being able to think on different levels of abstraction etc.
None of these are specifically mathematical skills, but you definitely develop them when you do/teach a lot of math.

>>9861193
Cognitive Science in general is ace for this. There is so much barely explored shit that you can take advantage of with a 'broad and shallow' multidisciplinary approach as opposed to having to hyper-specialize since we know so little about how the mind works.

>>9861785
What are some examples of a broad and multidisciplinary approaches that you can take in cognitive science? What are unsolved areas?

>>9850426
>b-but momma said I can be anything
sure, sweetie

>>9850424
Imagine trying to explain some relatively complex mathematical object like a path integral or determinant to one of those tribesmen who can only count to two. Sure, it might not be that difficult but it still takes a long accumulation of logical derivations and definitions that you take for granted yet are impractical to go through in a way your audience will understand in a few minutes. That must be what high IQ people feel when trying to explain something to us. They have made the logical leaps and internalized them quickly, and things that seem obvious and nearly self-evident to them might seem non-sequitur to us without a long and thorough analysis.

>>9856620
By age 50, 85% of the variance in iq observed in the population is due to genetics

>>9852189
this is incorrect.
youre conflating necessary and sufficient conditions.

an iq of a certain score is necessary for someone to succeed in (say) math, but having an iq of that score does not necessarily imply that they will succeed in math.

anecdotally, notice all of the people that fail out of college, some are hardworking but unintelligent, others are intelligent, but cant figure out how to get out of bed in the morning, the point being that iq is a necessary condition for success in that domain, but not a sufficient condition.

>>9861712
You'd be able to solve problems as a skill learned from doing said math which is why City Halls and shit hire these people for 'management science' https://www.cmu.edu/tepper/programs/phd/program/operations-research/
If they turn out to be frauds at least as a citizen your knowledge of high level math can help you analyze and stop their bullshit strategies to prevent a civic shitshow like mischeduling garbage trucks or fucking up their traffic theory models

>>9850420
Geniuses like Galois rarely have genius parents or offspring.

>>9864327
>Geniuses like Galois rarely have genius parents or offspring.
who is the
>Darwin Family
>Huxley Family
>James Family

>>9864327
>>9864344
Genius parents dont have genius offspring because they are too incel to reproduce

Fucking Newton and Teslas died as virgins LMAO

>>9864346
>bringing up tesla anywhere in this thread
phew
jillette.jpg

>>9850444
No one invented the scientific method.

>>9864346
No, it's due to regression to the mean

>>9850415
I ask myself this everyday. I was doing fourier analysis and differential equations in high school. The first time I did triple integrals was in freshman year. I taught myself by watching youtube videos and spending all my money in the stem section at barnes and nobles. I'm a fucking beast at mathematics. I make it my bitch. Im not going into pure maths. Im an engineer. I'm going to be tony stark IRL.

>>9865057
>I'm a fucking beast at mathematics. I make it my bitch.

>>9850426

Intelligence is not biologically hereditary, I've always felt spending time during my childhood with my dad made me smarter.

>>9865125
*disproves all twin studies with one anecdote*
i guess this is the power of science

>>9850415
man Galois was a fucking anomaly, a definite Euler/Laplace/Gauss tier mathematician if he could have made better decisions

>>9850415
Easy! He lived in a time with no vidya, tv, porn, or social media.

>>9865057
You make me fucking sick you narcissistic brainlet.

>>9865057
If you liked math that much, you'd go into physics. You'd be surprised how devoid of high level math engineering really is.

>>9866999
Because I like to build shit and design the future. Architects and engineers build the world. Want a giant pyramid topped with the purest gold? Done. Want to land on the moon? Done. Want to just fuck with your own genetics to make perfect humans. Done. Want the tower of babble? Fucking done. And the field I'm in uses a lot of pdes and Fourier analysis. Its a specialty in EE ill let you guess if you want to. Also, its not about math anyways. Its about getting the best design for the cheapest price. Do you realize that without engineers we wouldn't be able to use numerical analysis and everybody would be stuck doing BS analytic methods so we would have stunted growth. How would you be able to do a FEM with analytic methods? Are you going to tell the cpu to do rational root theorem thousands of times? Fuck that. If you want to sit around trying to figure out how to prove remans hypothesis all day then go ahead but im going to be getting federal deals to design the next line of spacecraft for trumps new space force. So have fun with your theorems and rigorous proofs. I'll be going interstellar and making first contact with other civilizations. I'm going to be so good of a engineer that chaos won't even apply to me. Attractors will just do what I say.

>>9866981
I'm gonna be as narcissistic as I want because I earned it. I have had to "Prove myself" so many times because snotty little pampered cunts like you and most people at my uni don't understand how someone from humble origins could be so educated in maths and physics. Just because my parents couldn't afford to spend thousands of dollars for me to have tutors and go to a private school with all the best crap. I spent all my free time in books and online practicing and learning about applied maths and I say applied maths because I really don't like pure maths. I hate doing proofs and most analytic methods. Its not the 17th century. IBM and Microsoft was the best thing for maths ever. Numerical methods will reign supreme for all of eternity. I would rather program an IBM machine form the 60s with fortran to find the local extrema of a function than to use analytical methods. That's how much I hate pure maths.

>>9867028
>EE
>have fun switching to software engineering or getting all the good positions swiped by Pajeet.

>>9866999
You're thinking about theoretical physicists. They are just mathmaticians who are trying to do physics. Science requires experimetns and data collection. Doing a bunch of PDEs with rank 4 tensors isn't doing anything, thats just stupid. Oh and btw, virtual particles don't exist.

>>9867041
If i wanted to be a programmer i would of just gotten a job right out of high school. I do fiver and other related services for that kind of stuff to make money on the side. And im smarter than or equal to the pajeets because i was born poor so im just as motivated as they are. Also you don't need to get hired to run a buisness. If i do switch it will be to nuclear. Just saying.

1. Able to 'get' concepts more easily and quickly, especially more complex concepts. The universal sign for this is the mental 'click' you get when learning things. They get these more often, partly because they're used to pursuing proper understanding and avoiding illusions of knowing something.

2. Quick at inductive and deductive reasoning.

3. Good at abstract thinking

4. Tendency to extrapolate with information, derive new information from what's given to them via inductive/deductive reasoning. Pattern recognition, seeing how things logically follow from one another, etc. Seeing what others can't see. Coming up with more original thoughts, ideas, arguments, propositions...

5. Generalise what they learn. Focus less on the specifics and more on general principles derived from the specifics. This facilitates building mental models that can be used to deal with an infinite number of situations. This is what makes intelligence so generally useful: in learning anything, problem solving, decision making, etc. Makes them better at learning from experiences. Specific experiences allow for general conclusions to be drawn.

6. Tendency to connect information with past knowledge often. Big part of creative thinking, as well. One thing has many aspects associated with it. Physical, abstract. The more novel aspects of seemingly unrelated things can be connected together (often the abstract aspects rather than the surface-level aspects), to show the unexpected similarities, differences, relations between things.

If you want to see this in action, try to 'reverse engineer' the thinking of intelligent people, especially in social situations. Intelligence is deeply intertwined with social interaction. Making connections is an essential part of witty humour, reasoning is essential for 'getting it' with people (i.e: understanding the likely reason behind why someone would say or do something, act a certain way, what can be inferred about someone from what's given to you)...

>>9867539
>If you want to see this in action, try to 'reverse engineer' the thinking of intelligent people, especially in social situations. Intelligence is deeply intertwined with social interaction. Making connections is an essential part of witty humour, reasoning is essential for 'getting it' with people (i.e: understanding the likely reason behind why someone would say or do something, act a certain way, what can be inferred about someone from what's given to you)...
So Chad is a genius?

>>9852200
Neither of those statements are true, also, majority of violent crime commited by blacks != most blacks commit violent crime

>>9864327
It's called "regression to the mean". If genius were environmental, then the kids of geniuses would always be geniuses.

>>9853854
False, see Kevin Bacon

Personally I have an extremely sensitive disposition, which is probably why I spent my entire adolescence browisng 4chan and studying instead of going outside. Real life is very overwhelming