/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9845366
genes only play a minor role in IQ, what matter is education and the environment in which the children will grow.

>>9845366

You'd never get people to let you control how they breed.

>>9845366
>Someone explain to me why this wouldn't work.
Why would you use the top 1% of sperm from that country instead of better sperm from elsewhere?

https://www.zambianobserver.com/i-slept-with-1400-girls-impregnated-600-in-6-african-countries-french-tourist/
Based french is doing it.

reversion to the meme anon. also IQ is mostly environment, geniuses are genetic freaks who take us forward in great leaps and they are outside the normal testing bounds of IQ, since it's only a rough estimator of brain efficiency and not a predictor for invention.

novel solutions to existing problems in the world come from the ability to make connections others could not, there is little evidence to link a high IQ to this. if anything highly intelligent and educated people are traditional conformists who struggle to innovate and refuse to change (politicians, doctors, lawyers, scientists). non-traditional non-conforming highly intelligent people tend to become artists or athletes, funneling their intelligence into the manic training and development of a physical gift or are self-taught engineers who invent practical things, though the barrier for this is a lot higher than in previous centuries since all the low hanging fruit has been picked from the energy tree.

>>9845366
Regression to the mean for the first few generations. But it would work over a couple of centuries. The main drawback is that if you only select for IQ theyll end up sickly and deformed like ashkenazi jews

>Someone explain to me why this wouldn't work.

>>Become billionaire
Hmm

>>Buy poor African country
HMMMM

I'm all in for eugenics and utilitarian pragmatism that disregards the feelings of people, but come on OP. Your "plan" won't even make step 1.

>>9845399
>Regression to the mean for the first few generations.
This fallacy again

>>9845394
>also IQ is mostly environment,
Only if you're starving.

>>9845404
False. Your upbringing, rewards and stress levels all have an impact on your intelligence in your formative years and when they are over, its settled.

>>9845383
>https://www.zambianobserver.com/i-slept-with-1400-girls-impregnated-600-in-6-african-countries-french-tourist/
>“The day after I returned to France, I went to the hospital for medical exams, and luckily, I was HIV negative, and I did not have any other infectious disease.
obviously fake

>>9845369
Then why are upper class blacks dumb too?

>>9845403
>fallacy
Do you understand how polygenic traits work? It would take more than one generation for the IQ-lowering alleles in all of the thousand of loci associated with IQ to actually be significantly reduced in frequency. The distribution of a polygenic phenotype is determined by the distributions of the alleles that determine it.

>>9845405
They have an impact, yes, but it isn't "mostly" environmental. So long as you don't get hit to the head too much, experience malnutritition or diseases genetics play the most significant role.

>>9845369
>>9845394
Fuck off, no they don't:
>The general figure for the heritability of IQ, according to an authoritative American Psychological Association report, is 0.45 for children, and rises to around 0.75 for late adolescents and adults.[75][76] Heritability measures in infancy are as low as 0.2, around 0.4 in middle childhood, and as high as 0.9 in adulthood.[77][78]
So by the time you're an adult, your genes are nearly 90% responsible for your IQ.
Citations:
>Sebastian, A. B. (2014-10-13). "Intelligence: The History of Psychometrics". Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies. white paper.
>Neisser, Ulric; Boodoo, Gwyneth; Bouchard, Thomas J. Jr.; Boykin, A. Wade; Brody, Nathan; Ceci, Stephen J.; Halpern, Diane F.; Loehlin, John C.; et al. (1996). "Intelligence: Knowns and unknowns". American Psychologist. 51 (2): 77–101. doi:10.1037/0003-066X.51.2.77
>Bouchard, Thomas J. (2013). "The Wilson Effect: The Increase in Heritability of IQ With Age". Twin Research and Human Genetics. 16 (5): 923–930. doi:10.1017/thg.2013.54. ISSN 1832-4274. PMID 23919982
>Panizzon, Matthew S.; Vuoksimaa, Eero; Spoon, Kelly M.; Jacobson, Kristen C.; Lyons, Michael J.; Franz, Carol E.; Xian, Hong; Vasilopoulos, Terrie; Kremen, William S. (2014). "Genetic and environmental influences on general cognitive ability: Is g a valid latent construct?". Intelligence. 43: 65–76. doi:10.1016/j.intell.2014.01.008. ISSN 0160-2896. PMC 4002017Freely accessible. PMID 24791031
I wish people on /sci/ would stop lying about IQ to try and make themselves feel better.
It doesn't even make sense that a trait like "processing power" would be environmental, when genes control the physical structure of the "hardware".

>>9845409
Internalized racism and systematic oppressuon makes them self-sabotage both in tests and in life.

>>9845399
women were the sexual selectors for all of human history because they understood abortion and pregnancy was mystical magic for most men. this means that over thousands of years women selected men to be big and stupid and easily manipulated and they selected themselves to be intelligent, manipulative and beautiful (through violent competition). jewish women being ugly had to select for intelligent men in order to protect themselves from other women, so they invented a religious tradition which made jewish women special.

because of less pronounced sexual dimorphism among asians, sexual selection occurs purely based on social factors, keeping dynastic lineages of wealth and power alive well into the 21st century. this also means their social structure is far more stable and developed, given an inherent incentive for all to participate and produce in order to reproduce.

we are seeing a true clash of strategies now. will asian women be sold into sexual selection for stupidity in order to upend their social order and exchange it for a female order, or will asian values infect the rest of the world, feminizing men and creating stable harmonious monarchies that survive unchanged for millennia to come.

>>9845405
>>9845412
See >>9845414.
You're literally talking out of your arses, shut the fuck up.

>>9845415
>Complete denial
They never had to develop intelligence through evolution because their environment was always perfect. Everyone else had to deal with challenges, whether it be ice and snow or vast deserts.

>>9845409
Shut the fuck up, this is the least compelling argument and makes you look *ignorant (less intelligent).
Post a compelling argument, with sources, like >>9845414.
That way, they can't just counter with:
>Go back to /pol/!

>>9845394
>he thinks theres a single high IQ politician
The world is run by C students.

>>9845366
They would all be killed. You're better off spending your money on building up infrastructure.

>ignore prenatal malnutrition which literally causes mental retardation and behavior problems
>ignore child stress due to the environment which again causes harm to neurological growth
>ignore general malnutrition/iodine/mineral deficiency which all affect IQ
>ignore low literacy which has been proven to influence neurological wiring and IQ
>ignore that currently studies show the Y chromosome seems to favor modifying cognitive behavior rather than raw intelligence and has a lower data/gene size than the X chromosome (which obviously has to code more for intelligence since females do not receive a Y chromosome typically in the first place unless genetic defect)

I'm not sure anyone in this thread completely thought this subject matter through...

>>9845394
>Psychometricians generally regard IQ tests as having high statistical reliability.[9][56] A high reliability implies that – although test-takers may have varying scores when taking the same test on differing occasions, and although they may have varying scores when taking different IQ tests at the same age – the scores generally agree with one another and across time. Like all statistical quantities, any particular estimate of IQ has an associated standard error that measures uncertainty about the estimate. Clinical psychologists generally regard IQ scores as having sufficient statistical validity for many clinical purposes.[22][57][58] In a survey of 661 randomly sampled psychologists and educational researchers, published in 1988, Mark Snyderman and Stanley Rothman reported a general consensus supporting the validity of IQ testing. "On the whole, scholars with any expertise in the area of intelligence and intelligence testing (defined very broadly) share a common view of the most important components of intelligence, and are convinced that it can be measured with some degree of accuracy." Almost all respondents picked out abstract reasoning, ability to solve problems and ability to acquire knowledge as the most important elements.[59]
Citations:
>http://psych.colorado.edu/~carey/pdfFiles/IQ_Neisser2.pdf
>Mackintosh 2011, p. 169 "after the age of 8–10, IQ scores remain relatively stable: the correlation between IQ scores from age 8 to 18 and IQ at age 40 is over 0.70."
>Kaufman 2009
>Terman, Lewis Madison; Merrill, MaudeA. (1937). Measuring intelligence: A guide to the administration of the new revised Stanford-Binet tests of intelligence. Riverside textbooks in education. Boston (MA): Houghton Mifflin. p. 44.
>Anastasi, Anne; Urbina, Susana (1997). Psychological Testing (Seventh ed.). Upper Saddle River (NJ): Prentice Hall. pp. 326–327. ISBN 978-0-02-303085-7.
Cont.

>>9845399
>Regression to the mean for the first few generations

Oh God how the fuck do people still not get regression to the mean.

>>9845394
>>9845435
>>Silverman, Linda Kreger (1991), "Review of The IQ Controversy, the Media and Public Policy", Gifted Child Quarterly, 35 (3): 153–156, doi:10.1177/001698629103500309
So, wrong again, my retarded friend.
Also, I excluded a part of that excerpt that didn't have citations.

>>9845414
but it's not processing power because we are not machines we are meta-machines. if you force to define it as processing power then you need a meme version of intelligence like Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences.


what is actually going on is a neural network (your brain) is creating approximation layers between your senses (perception) and depending on how well your senses are developed as your body grows you can become exceptional (both relative to others and relative to some control you who isn't developed in a structured way) at anything.
all your studies are not real science because they cannot make any predictions. we know what makes people smart, a jesuit/catholic education, a communist/soviet state education, a japanese/chinese public education, an accelerated/private school american education, a german system education.

compound these with the values of families who created the children in those various environments, and you can quickly see what is going on. people are born with a finite limit for most things, but because of poor structure and general ignorance they never come close to fulfilling their peak potential, and what we call high IQ or intelligent people have just been fortunate enough to be raised inside a structure that trained them to better reach their biological limits. if the maximum white iq is 200 and the maximum black iq is 150, that would still mean in an idealized environment blacks would become geniuses.

we already know this is objectively true because weight training works on all people to gain physical size and mass, but not all people become equally big. all people get bigger, not all people are equal- relative to a control, or untrained population, EVERY person who lifts is bigger than their non-lifting counterparts, which few outliers if you control for height and weight. because they are increasing muscle mass and reducing fat.

genetic potential is almost never realized physically or mentally.

>>9845419
Stress literally fucks up brain development

>>9845444
Yes, but so does me hitting you in the head with a hammer.
If you're talking about normal development, that most humans can expect to achieve, it is largely genetic.

>>9845443
It was using "PROCESSING POWER" for rhetorical effect, notice the inverted commas.
But it is USEFUL PREDICTOR (although there are other predictors too):
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Social_correlations

>>9845447
>*I was using

>>9845445
because a roughshod culture de-emphasises strict discipline and training your children to be as intelligent as possible. it's not a coincidence that asians beat their children and force them to study like crazy and then they score high on IQ tests.

do you really think asians are smarter? they havent created a relevant contribution to the world in hundreds of years. they just are better trained as children in order to navigate their lives, they are unable to change or improve the system because they are hivemind brainlets without the ability to understand freedom.

>>9845447
clearly you did not address my major points. you focus on the genetic differences because the elephant in the room you want to avoid is the cultural differences which you can easily control for by forcing people to do the correct thing. this is why we don't eat people anymore, religion forebade it and cannibals died out. i assure you we ate neanderthals and they ate us.

>>9845445
Anon you have an environmentalist LITERALLY hampers people in their development which takes a toll on education attainment and stats.

>>9845418
>jewish women being ugly had to select for intelligent men in order to protect themselves from other women, so they invented a religious tradition which made jewish women special.
This is bullshit. Women had pretty much no say in selection in monogamous societies. The reason jews were selected for higher intelligence, particularly in verbal and mathematical tasks, is that those were the tasks that ashkenazi jews made their livelihood from. Unlike normal, sedentary populations the jewish diaspora did not have a large contingent of peasants. Jews weren't allowed to own land or bear arms in Christian Europe, but they were allowed to engage in usury and all kinds of specialty crafts. Furthermore, Jewish culture emphasizes the role of a talmud studying rabbi elite, which unlike christian priests was not only allowed to but actively encouraged to breed a lot. All this led to financial and social dominance being to a large extent a function of intellect in the urban jewish communes of medieval Europe.

It's basically like taking a bunch of accountants and only allowing them to work as accountants and breed amongst themselves for a millenium and a half. Damn near artificial selection.

>>9845443
Also friend, genetic potentional plus enviroment is taken into account:
>One proposed explanation is that people with different genes tend to reinforce the effects of those genes, for example by seeking out different environments.
Citations:
>http://psych.colorado.edu/~carey/pdfFiles/IQ_Neisser2.pdf
>Huguet, Guillaume; Schramm, Catherine; Douard, Elise; Jiang, Lai; et al. "Measuring and Estimating the Effect Sizes of Copy Number Variants on General Intelligence in Community-Based Samples"

>>9845419
But my post agrees with his, lardass.
>>9845444
The vast majority of people in developed countries aren't exposed to this stress. High income blacks are still dumber on average than even low income whites.

>>9845452
>No argument detected to counter my point.
K.

>>9845414
i agree with the premise that iq would be determined largely by genetics, but to assume that environment and condition wouldn't affect the physical "hardware" so to speak is just dumb

>>9845457
>But my post agrees with his, lardass.
Yeah, I think I linked the wrong post.

>>9845459 see >>9845456.

>>9845457
>High income blacks are still dumber on average than even low income whites.

source.

>>9845451
>cultural differences
What is Raven's Progressive Matrices (and derived) tests?
Oh, that's right, culture-fair.

>>9845376
>You'd never get people to knowingly let you control how they breed.

ftfy

>>9845456
cant see the forest from the trees. add up the time an average asian, white, mexican and black kid read words. say ages 2-10. i wonder if it tracks with IQ... i wonder if their parents forced them to read.

>>9845453
>no say in selection in monogamous

monogamous societies is a misnomer, bastards were always common and bad (not selected for traits) husbands never could successfully father children because midwives would abort pregnancies to spare further suffering to the wife. again, pregnancy was shrouded in secrecy and myth and a closely guarded FEMALE secret passed down from mother to daughter and religious fertility cults. men had a lot to say when it came to who got fucked but not to who got born.

>>9845451
>do you really think asians are smarter? they havent created a relevant contribution to the world in hundreds of years.
The average individual is fucking retarded regadless of race. Even jews with their 107-112. It's the fraction of smart people and culture that matters. Chinks tend to value conformity, non-confrontation and tradition to an extreme degree while Europeans are somewhat more willing to go against the flow and tinker with shit so the slightly smaller smart fraction was more likely to actually discover something. Not to mention the chink bugman hyper-individualist "I only give a shit about my direct personal gain" culture. No eccentric NEET aristocrats doing science as a hobby with their pen pals all over the continent there.

>>9845452
But you can control for this and there is still a significant discrepancy. The sort of stress and culture you talk about only affects the low income hoodlums. A significant portion of American niggers grow up in decent conditions.

>>9845465
Jokes on you, I was illiterate until I was 10.
But I test with an IQ of 135.
Although I'm not representative of the average person, as I have Asperger's syndrome. But still.
My IQ MUST be largely genetic.

A white family that makes 20,000 has kids that score the same as a black kid who's parents make 10 times as much.

>>9845470
>>9845461

>>9845445

Not him but I think you fail to understand the larger picture here. It doesn't matter if intelligence is largely genetic if environment factors can suppress those genes than it means fuck all. Unfortunately nature has actually made that the "normal development" of biology. In a strictly logical sense you are dealing walking talking computers that are always on and always accessing the environment and will restrict or free up resources for the sake of maintaining the survival of the computer itself rather than the upkeep "potential".

This is also the reason why eugenics is not a cure all because it doesn't take into account that genes can be turned off/ suppress for multiple generations.

>>9845465
Everybody knew the gist of how pregnancy worked by the time the jews were in their developmental stages. The socio economic factors provide a much more direct explanation for ashkenazi intelligence than some vague notions of jewish women prefering nerds.

>>9845470
The College Board is not a source. This pick is literally just a picture.

>>9845472
You almost had me, almost.
But then you said:
>Unfortunately nature has actually made that the "normal development" of biology.
No, "normal development" is referential to the MAJORITY DEVELOPMENT of the species as a whole in X era.
In X era, most children in the First and Second World get enough food to eat. Even in Third world countries with bountiful ecology and mild climates, they get enough to eat.
The only real standout thing in Second and Third world countries is war.

>>9845472
>In a strictly logical sense you are dealing walking talking computers that are always on and always accessing the environment and will restrict or free up resources for the sake of maintaining the survival of the computer itself rather than the upkeep "potential".
There is no corroborating evidence for any of this. I keep asking for proofs of this super neuroplasticity but never see any.

>>9845476

You can fix their IQ but you can't fix their culture as easily. African cultures are very nepotistic and not entrepreneurial, and because of that you won't get an economically strong society, at least not for 2 or 3 generations of superior IQs. It would be like planting kauri trees to harvest, a very long term investment.

>>9845479
Where's the source on that picture.

>>9845463
nobody is disputing your pseudotheories about intelligence. it's just obvious that you cannot control for information the human being you are testing has been exposed to. you would need some kind of multicultural cresche/kindergarten/maternity ward where all the children are exposed to the same information for the first decade of their lives. then you would see the genetic distribution become irrelevant as all of these children would be incredibly smart relative to the normal population. eg. 150 vs 170 vs 190 IQ's.

is your goal to elevate global IQ or to lower it or what? because you can do it by up/down breeding or by fixing culture. the spread between well educated and uneducated is much broader than between educated or uneducated of various races. so education is a priority, and genetics whiles playing a role is purely irrelevant, since it's like trying to breed midgets or giants by selecting for height. when free to choose midgets and giants breed themselves, likewise intelligent people and stupid people find their IQ counterparts. the goal here is to LIFT the average up, and this you cannot do with interbreeding, you must do with education/culture/environment/family.

>>9845475
there were many types of poisons a woman could take which would force a miscarriage. what part of this can't you comprehend? if a woman doesn't like you she won't have your baby, shit it happens to this day. you can rape women until they are old and barren, they will never carry it to term, all it takes is one moment alone with the right instrument or food or drink and it's done.

>>9845469
so you have some genetic defect, why would you cite yourself? with the proper education you would be in the 180s and inventing nuclear fusion, you're a waste of cells desu.

>>9845477
>Even in Third world countries with bountiful ecology and mild climates, they get enough to eat.

Not really. Many cases of nutrition deficiencies and starving due to limited distribution in say India which still has malnutrition issues.

>>9845486
>so you have some genetic defect, why would you cite yourself? with the proper education you would be in the 180s and inventing nuclear fusion, you're a waste of cells desu.
Dude, wtf, that's harsh. :(

>>9845480
>not entrepreneurial

Anon they are very entrepreneurial though if you bother to see how massive their market culture is.

>>9845486
So, you're saying, genetic potential plus environment.
And that at the moment, we're suboptimal at enviromental input, even in the First world?

>>9845490
no whats harsh is that because you missed your developmental window, you can never come close to fulfilling your potential. and because you're an aspie you can't even use your IQ to manipulate the other low IQ retards around you so that your own life can be easy and comfortable. You'd have been better off as a 90 IQ social butterfly or 110 IQ psycopath/conman.

because let me tell you 135 is BORDERLINE useless for scientific research. juuust smart enough to realise you aren't smart enough to meaningfully contribute more than a few hundred published articles in some sub-domain of some mundane field with total lifetime citations numbering under 2000. you could get more youtube clicks on a video with a cleavage thumbnail. and of course if you become an educator you will have to live in endless envy and resist the temptation to sabotage young students with more natural potential and a more nurturing environment than you ever had. hard to drop that ego at 135 though. you're in a pickle son, going to be drugs and alcohol until you knock it down to 115.

>>9845494
very suboptimal, test yourself on euclid's elements. you will struggle because cartesian thinking has trapped us into some kind of mechanistic thinking bottleneck and we cannot rotate shapes in our head like we used to. i think cities are also affecting our spatial perception and our ability to understand and plan. comfortably dumb is the 21st century.

>>9845487

>>9845460
oops, ty

>>9845503
You using Lynn's shitty data.

>>9845501
>no whats harsh is that because you missed your developmental window, you can never come close to fulfilling your potential. and because you're an aspie you can't even use your IQ to manipulate the other low IQ retards around you so that your own life can be easy and comfortable. You'd have been better off as a 90 IQ social butterfly or 110 IQ psycopath/conman.
So, I should just end it all? But what about the genetics for STEM study offered by Asperger's syndrome, such as the improved spatial visual-spatial processing?

>>9845509
It's still enough to state a point though,as whilst it mightn't be highly acculturate, it isn't going to differ vastly.

>>9845503
Also China is basically a continent/world of it's own. Within it you'd see the trends of this world being played out in the country.

>>9845510
>*genetics = benefits

>>9845513
>B-but Ch-china!
It hurts doesn't it anon, when the truth finally hits.

>>9845512
Lynn literally used retarded Children for Equatorial guinea's numbers. Japan had a rich ass exclusive private school that was included but discarded any African schools that were exceptional. He literally made up averages for nations he couldn't get numbers on. The cohorts for each test compete varied with Congolese illiterate rural people being given an Iq test and other scores coming from children.

>>9845517
Learn to read. IF you mapped China's education l attainment you'd see the coast doing way better then the neglected rural and poor labour pools of Western China .

>>9845366
>cause a 100% HIV infection rate among females
topkek OP

>>9845518
>Equatorial guinea's numbers
I did always wonder why it was so ridiculously but, they somehow managed to survive until now.
Well, I guess that is pretty disingenuous.
So it's probably more on par with the African distribution.

>>9845518
Also he used immigrant data to represent certain countries.

>>9845519
>Learn to read.
I understood what you meant, idiot. I was posing it as "denialism". Although, I do somewhat agree.
However, the map isn't just focused on China. Take Latin America, or the Middle East, for instance.

>>9845522
Africa's numbers are still low in the mid-high's but not the literally rock bottom ones Lynn showed.

>>9845527
Latam has weak institutions and large wealth inequality.

>>9845529
I'm trying to find a better source, why is so much of it Lynn's work?

>>9845529
This seems to take a more realistic approach to Lynn:
>https://pumpkinperson.com/2017/05/29/better-race-and-iq-data/
>To sidestep these problems, I decided to compare all races on the same type of tests (literacy and numeracy) under similar conditions (as students attending modern schools). Although achievement tests are not technically IQ tests, they correlate better with IQ tests than some of the actual IQ tests used by Lynn (i.e. Mazes, Draw a Person) and because they are only taken by people with similar schooling, some of the culture bias inherit in all paper and pencil tests is removed. They also have the advantage of being given to huge and representative samples.
Note, on the picture source provided the source of the information used for the infographic is given.

>>9845529
>>9845533
>The first major data set is the NAEP mass testing of U.S. 12th graders (above), known as the nation’s report card. Since an IQ of 100 is by definition whatever score the average U.S. white obtains, a reading, math, and combined score score of 297, 162, and 459 are all equal to IQ 100. Since I already estimated that U.S. black 12th graders in recent years score an IQ equivalent of 90, 86, and 87 in reading, math, and combined respectively, simple linear extrapolation allows us to infer the IQ equivalents of all the above demographic groups:
Figure 2.

>>9845529
>>9845534
>The scores of Asian Americans are probably dragged down a bit by the inclusion of Southeast Asians, Pacific Islanders and people with language difficulties. I suspect if the Asian sample was limited to second generation Northeast Asian Americans, the mean combined IQ would be 105. Some might argue that Asian scores are inflated by selected migration and a culture of studying. While the latter might be true, the former is unlikely given the spectacular academic performance of Northeast Asians in their home countries.
>The scores of American Indians/Alaskas natives are probably dragged down by fetal alcohol syndrome and extreme cultural deprivation. Just as African Americans saw their IQs as measured by achievement tests increase from 80 in the 1970s to 87 today, I suspect indigenous Americans are also 7 points below their genetic potential and may have the genetic potential to average 98.
>The scores of African Americans are probably slightly inflated by white admixture and I suspect the scores of unmixed descendants of black American slaves would average about 83. On the other hand if slaves were drawn primarily from the lower end of the African IQ distribution, the scores of African Americans may be deflated relative to the potential of the global black population.

>>9845529
>>9845536
>Ashkenazi Jews
>Jewish Americans are not included here but previous large scale research suggests a verbal IQ of 109, a math IQ of 113, and thus a combined IQ of 112 on measures of reading and math. Ashkenazi Jews have an anomalously high IQ for a Caucasoid race, but they are such a tiny percentage of the population that I suspect the highest IQs in the World all belong to peoples of Northeast Asian ancestry.
Link:
>https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/08/26/excellent-data-on-jewish-iq-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers/

>Australian aboriginals
>Data from PISA studies show indigenous Australians score 0.87 SD below non-indigenous Australians on reading tests, suggesting a reading IQ of 87.
Figure 3.

>>9845529
>>9845539
>Meanwhile they score 0.9 SD below on math, suggesting a math IQ of 86.
Figure 4.
>This suggests a combined IQ of 85. However like indigenous Americans, I suspect that Australian aboriginals are like U.S. blacks in the 1970s (scoring at least 7 IQ points below their potential on achievement tests) so I estimate their potential IQ to be 92.
>However I also estimate that indigenous Australians are 43% white at the genetic level, and correcting for this reduces the potential IQ of full-blooded Australoids to 86.

>Dark Caucasoids
>Data from PISA studies suggest dark caucasoids in Turkey average about 87, but like indigenous peoples, the Arab world is probably about 7 points below their full potential given that less than half of the Turkish population finishes high school, so I suspect they have the genetic potential to be IQ 93.
Link:
>http://www.v-weiss.de/calibration.html

>>9845510
Naw 135 is more than enough to reach Nobel prize level, just look at recipients IQ

>>9845529
It should be stipulated that this is ALL from countries with First world conditions and thus an average optimal environment.

>>9845477

>No, "normal development" is referential to the MAJORITY DEVELOPMENT of the species as a whole in X era.

Wrong normal development is based on the development logistics of a population in a given region. Not all regions in the world have equally distributed resources.

>In X era, most children in the First and Second World get enough food to eat. Even in Third world countries with bountiful ecology and mild climates, they get enough to eat.

There's a difference between enough to eat for "survival" and enough to eat in "satiation". While humans as a species have adapted to periods of food restriction the typical calorie consumption differs heavily. First world countries average around +3000 kilocalories while Third world countries average around 2100 kilocalories. The minimum needed for survival is roughly 2000 kilocalories but obviously average does not mean everyone equally consumes the same amount. So there is a significant amount of third world people who get less than the recommended amount for survival.

>>9845478

>There is no corroborating evidence for any of this.

Then explain why the biological mechanism "epigenetics" which allows the ability to silence gene expression exists in the first place if not to control for resource availability? Why does prenatal malnutrition actually cause mental retardation? Why does iodine deficiency cause lower IQ? Why are these factors directly going after brain resources if not for the fact that the brain is a resource heavy machine that the body will attempt to restrict when in times of low resources?

You say there is no corroborating evidence but a single google search proves you objectively wrong.

>>9845536
>>The scores of African Americans are probably slightly inflated by white admixture and I suspect the scores of unmixed descendants of black American slaves would average about 83.

what? Why would admixture matter that he assumes it's inflated.

>>9845541
Thank you for being nice, anon. It seems there's a slim chance.

>>9845547
I dunno, it's one of the things he does. But if you remove those biases and just look at the break down alone, it still shows a difference between races, even at average optimal conditions.

>>9845547
Why would he just assume the "real" number ?

>>9845542
That makes no sense though because conditions vary within a nation as well as the environment+schools.

>>9845550
>That makes no sense though because conditions vary within a nation as well as the environment+schools.
All First world countries are similar enough, don't be a dick.
Besides, this is the USA and Australia.
Also, the sample sizes are huge, like whole country huge.

>>9845548
A true Egoist has no reason to make life worse for anyone, anon. Nobel Prize achievement is luck and hardwork, having the right thought cross your mind at the right time, and then proceeding to follow it to its end. I'm sure you a most people 120~125 and above are capable of it. Understand that 135 is very high, and IQ itself is very abstract and clinical. What perhaps is more important is your consistency and resistance to failure under pressures. Best of luck to you anon, we're all gonna make it.

>>9845552
>All First world countries are similar enough, don't be a dick.

Not really. Radically different demographics, history and policies.

>>9845554
The USA and Australia ARE similar. You're actually being a pedantic fuckhead now.

>>9845554
>>9845559
Besides, the first break down of figure 1, 2 is purely the United States.
The break down of figure 3, 4 is purely Australia.

>>9845545
>Then explain why the biological mechanism "epigenetics" which allows the ability to silence gene expression exists in the first place if not to control for resource availability? Why does prenatal malnutrition actually cause mental retardation? Why does iodine deficiency cause lower IQ? Why are these factors directly going after brain resources if not for the fact that the brain is a resource heavy machine that the body will attempt to restrict when in times of low resources?
That's a whole lot of talk and fuck all evidence, anon. You ask a lot of leading questions, which in themselves seem somewhat misconstrued and loaded, but I asked you for sources.

>>9845545
>Why does prenatal malnutrition actually cause mental retardation?
Because the organism lacks the required resources to carry out instructions.
>Why does iodine deficiency cause lower IQ?
See above.

>>9845553
Thanks, anon. I'll do my best. Good luck to you too.

>>9845565

>That's a whole lot of talk and fuck all evidence, anon.

Seriously? You are that lazy?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7998572_The_effects_of_iodine_on_intelligence_in_children_A_meta-analysis_of_studies_conducted_in_China

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811917308741

>>9845566

And what biological mechanism do you think is influencing this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

>>9845366
>double the African IQ
Wut fuckign IQ?

>>9845369
Lmao brainlet. Smart People literally have larger brain cells

>>9845366
Next generation : incest and trouble finding anyone that's not your sister, when 1% of men is father to 50% of the population

>>9845369
>Be me
>140+ IQ
>Dad died in prison
>Mom ODed
>Become homeless at 16 yo
>Have MSc in STEM
Tell me how my IQ is related to environment

2*0=0

Here's the proper take on IQ.
>IQ is not causation
>IQ as a methodology has the best correlation to intelligence as of now.
>We should strive to find a more accurate way to measure intelligence.
So yes, people who say that IQ is not scientific is right. People who say that IQ measure -something- is also right.

>>9845626
Isolated incident
Also fake and gay

>>9845366
>Someone explain to me why this wouldn't work.
Rebellion. There's a good chance that the low IQ African males will rebel and overthrow your regime, due to being unable to get laid.

>>9845414
I have search through all of your reference and none of them contains the citations you quoted. Three of them don't even have more than 75 reference and the other one doesn't even numerically list its citation.

If you want to make things up and cite shits you need to try harder

>yet another "/pol/ forces it's pseudoscientific views on race and intelligence on an actual intelligent board" thread

ITT:

- zero understanding of heritability (a child will share an environment with the parent/s, both pre-natal and post-birth)
- zero understanding of epigenetics

>>9845501
we really need to ban high schoolers from posting

>>9845366
Creating a big loser caste of horny young men at fighting age never works.

>>9845939
Just call them incels.

>>9845366
But why would you do this?

>>9845649
Ad hominem. Nice proof, mate.

>>9845605
>larger brain cells

>>9845658
They contain the information required to make those claims, the quotes don't need to be exact retard.

PHENOTYPE

SPREAD THE PHENOTYPE, FAR AND WIDE

AFRICA, ASIA, BRAZIL...

PHENOTYPES OF THE WORLD AWAKEN

>>9845366
>Buy poor African country
I don't think you quite understand how much money it would take to "buy" a country.

>>9845406
If you don't take up the po-po it's not that easy to get hiv as a male

>>9845366
>Someone explain to me why this wouldn't work.
because no one invests in anything that wont provide a return on investment in the next financial quarter. And investing in something that you wont see money from in your lifetime is never going to happen.

>>9845414
Heritability of 0.9 doesn't mean genes are 90% responsible for IQ. The heritability statistic only estimates the share of variation in a sample that is explained by genetics (and some think epigenetics is a part of this too, but I'm not so sure).
Moreover, isn't the "processing power" trait you're thinking about the g factor, which is only a part of IQ?

>>9845369
>genes only play a minor role in IQ
If such is the case why was Einstein smarter than you when he was only 12 years old?

>>9845418
>women were the sexual selectors for all of human history
No men were the sexual selectors, women only recently who bred while men have always grabbed women and raped babies into them as nature intended.
>is means that over thousands of years women selected men to be big and stupid and easily manipulated and they selected themselves to be intelligent, manipulative and beautiful
Lol this is so stupid women dont even think that far ahead.

>>9845366

Probably would work, but so would genocide; and I'm not sure your plan is much more ethical

>>9845366
>Become billionaire
>Buy poor African country
>get the sperm of the top smartest 1% of the country
>Encourage all females to take said sperm
>Over the course of 40 years literally nothing changes because the average IQ was so low to begin with

I don't think IQ is the main issue in Africa, they've just been really fucked over in the last century or two since they were almost all tribal and then kept getting invaded and passed around by developed countries.
It's just culturally a mess, they have some modern technology they generally don't make themselves (or weapons at least) and supposedly modern governments but generally stay true to their tribal roots.
We can try to push their governments in the right direction, we can try to set up hospitals and schools, send medical aid and food etc, but I really don't think there's anything we can do for them, the problem lies in the roots.

>>9845919
look mom i said it again

>>9845939
>loser caste
Most stupid blacks are very successful with women.

>>9845369
>genes only play a minor role in IQ
They determine 60 to 80 percent

>>9845376
Yes they would if you give them welfare for it

>>9845433
>Building up infrastructure
IQ is infrastructure. You can't build a society if the people don't have the hardware (genes) to take advantage of it. Why do you think every African population around the world has failed miserably?

>>9845434
I want a source on that last one.

>>9845366
You won't become a billionaire.

>>9845366
BECAUSE THEY ARE NGGERS AND HAVE 50.000.000 YEARS OF EVOLUTION LESS
SORRY PAL

>>9845383
THAT IS DOWN HERE NEW LINK
http://sunnewsonline.com/i-slept-with-1400-girls-impregnated-600-in-6-african-countries-french-tourists-recounts/

>>9845453
>TFW not a jew

>>9845383
also
>france
>poor
you dont think he is wite, right?

>>9845426
this. and jews

>>9845383
look
> I slept with over 100 girls and spent 40, 000 euros
what kind of basedboy pays 4k for a niggr hooker with aids? god. even 100 dollars would be insane for them

>>9846274
>that math
So this is the mental power of the master race.

>>9845366
China is literally doing this rn

>>9845626
>be me
>father is physicist and is always working
>both of his parents were math professors
>develop my own way to do basic math
>mom tells me the story of Gauss summing from 1 to 100 when I was in elementary school
>I was stubborn so I say I can do that too, without hearing how Gauss did it, and I do it easily in my head

Only thing my mom tried to teach me in math was how to memorize the multiplication tables entirely Asian style, which I completely ignored. My dad didn't teach me anything and was an uninvolved father mostly. Now I graduated with a degree in physics at the top of my class and about to make bank at a software company.

I was depressed and reclusive since my teens but being smart allowed me to overcome it all. This won't be possible if it wasn't for my father and his parents being extremely logically capable.

Why hasn't North Africa just wiped out the Sub Saharan shitters already?

>>9846245

>Why do you think every African population around the world has failed miserably?

So are we just going to pretend Nigeria doesn't exist and hasn't the overtook both South Africa and Egypt economically?

>>9846373

Because they can't get their shit together either. The last time they were well organized was during the Ottoman Empire era. And colonial Europe ended that shit eventually.

Why do you think North/ East Africa and most of the middle east is dissary?

>>9845605
>Larger brain cells

>>9846245
Are you 15?

>IQ is 100% genetic and connected to skin color because your brain is your skin

>>9846064
>They contain the information required to make those claims
I can interpret a study any way I want as long as the numbers 0 through 9 and letters a through Z occur somewhere in the text.

>>9846308
>smart
>becoming a code monkey
lmaoo

>>9845415
Bro.... I mean come on

>>9845442
embarrassing

>>9846134
Oh, think of those children which would be born in an alternate timeline. Truly it is just like a genocide.

>>9845410
>assumption that there are IQ lowering alleles rather than just IQ raising alleles
Why do you believe this? Do you believe animals have dumb-genes instead of merely lacking intelligence genes?

>>9845485
>>9845476

you do realize that the collegeboard, the company who makes/scores the SAT's, keeps track of test takers, and their race/score, and that they have a page on their website where you can request data relating to their figures? I mean of all the people who would know something about SAT scores relating to race, it would be the people who track SAT scores of people and their race

>>9848285
And I want the exact source posted lino and all.

>>9845366 Why not just genocide the Africans and take their land? Then after said land is conquered, populate said land with your own intellectually superior kin.

>>9845415
bait

>>9848490
>size matters

>>9845366
Africa is purposely destabilized by covert arms dealing from China, the US and Russia. If an African union ever stabilized the continent against civil war and government overthrow, vital minerals couldn't be mined at slave wages.

Without Africa's lithium, titanium and rare earth metals, the electronics and defense industries of the first world would crash.

Welcome to geo/pol/itics.

>>9848490

Because colonial Europe tried that already and guess what it lead to? World War...two of them in fact.

In all honesty colonial Europe got really lucky with the Americas. It won't happen again, especially not in the information age where even dirt poor countries can get resources for military arms and nuclear weapons now if they're desperate enough. You missed your chance at Africa, just be glad you got the Americas.

>>9845620
1/50 is pretty good when you just take the top 1% again

>>9848672
> In all honesty colonial Europe got really lucky with the Americas.
If by lucky you mean bringing genocidal smallpox plague, then yes.

The Americas happened when England had uncontested control of the passage between the eastern coast of the US and northern Europe. Wind driven ship had to follow these routes if they were to supply colonies.

Africa could be accessed by the Mediterranean, or by Gibralter. There was no ocean passage, so England could not get a monopoly on it.

Sure, the French could skirt around the zone of English control with the Portugese and claim the Lousiana delta region, but it was way too long a supply route to develop any supply lines. Plus, selling colony land gave the Spanish and French funds to fight in their wars in the 1800's.

>>9848713
>If by lucky you mean bringing genocidal smallpox plague, then yes.

Lol anon you are compete ignoring the fact that the Spanish managed to generate mass local armies to help them fight against native powers in the new world. Disease was NOT THE ONLY FACTOR.

>>9848672
read this article

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/carrier_corps

>>9848720
> Spanish managed to generate
No. They did the same thing the CIA, US special ops, and their counterparts in Russia and China are doing in Africa today.

They found the rebels to the ruling government, and offered to support them with superior weapons and tactics.

Once the rebels won, they set up a puppet government. It's a tried and true tactic that's worked from the earliest days of feudalism to modern day Iraq.

>>9845394
>. also IQ is mostly environment

You're being incredibly dishonest, shame on you.

>>9845418

Can you Imagine the European geniuses we lost because of some stupid religion? Ffs...

>>9845442

what did you mean by this

>>9845369
if genes play a minor role, why does my dog suck at math?

>>9845369
>>9845394
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

>>9850995
>Heritability measures the proportion ofvariationin a trait that can be attributed to genes, and not the proportion of a trait caused by genes. Thus, if the environment relevant to a given trait changes in a way that affects all members of the population equally, the mean value of the trait will change without any change in its heritability (because the variation or differences among individuals in the population will stay the same).
>Thus, even in developed nations, a high heritability of a trait does not necessarily mean that average group differences are due to genes.

Good shit

>>9845414
>It doesn't even make sense that a trait like "processing power" would be environmental, when genes control the physical structure of the "hardware".
I invite you to google water cooling and overclocking guides. Environmental factors effect processing power all the goddamn time.

>>9845426
literally 30% of british MPs went to oxbridge, if this is assumed to be representative of politicians as a whole, obviously you're talking bullshit

>>9851037
>basically, heritability is not an absolute scale, so nobody truly knows the full extent of a niggers stupidity

>>9845366
>Buy poor African country
>get the sperm of the top smartest 1% of the country

I volunteer to get the sperm out of all those black cocks for you anon. It won't be easy, but I'll do it! For charity!

>>9848220
>he doesn't understand genetics
Genes are just sequences of molecules that get copied and translated into some protein or another. They have no constructive purpose. What the protein does and how it interacts with shit is crapshoot.

>>9851037
Too bad nobody has found or verified this effect on all members of a race equally, leaving the nul hypothesis that niggers are just dumber on average in place.

>>9845470
>posting an actual /pol/ infographics
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>9845366
IQ isn't real anyway you mongloid /pol/tard.

>>9845366
Inbreeding depression would destroy your country/The lack of sexual success among the males who didn't inhabit the one percent would drive the crime rates up dangerously

>>9845683
>Yet another "I ignore rational evidence and throw it out or brush it away because I don't like the implications" post

Let me guess, IQ tests are also tools of the oppressive white patriarchy?

>>9845605
I have no reaction image for this