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9828343 No.9828343 [Reply] [Original]

>b-but studies show there's a correlation between IQ and success!

Correlation alone is not useful for much of anything. If you had evidence suggesting a causation, you would have a significantly stronger case; however, there are numerous explanations one can provide for an individual's success in life besides their IQ score.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html

>b-but IQ isn't racially biased!

The US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit disagrees.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/1984/02/08/05320018.h03.html

>b-but IQ tests do measure intelligence!

The academic community can't even agree on a standard definition of what intelligence is. It would be more accurate (and I would accept) justifying IQ tests as metrics for logical reasoning and an individual's capacity to learn - but this does not represent their overall intellect, and IQ is not static throughout a person's life.

>okay then tripfag, what ARE IQ tests useful for?

Don't confuse my disdain for IQ testing as a total disregard for their value. I believe IQ tests can and should be used to establish whether or not a child has a learning disability or if somebody has an innate inclination for solving complex problems. The issue is that scores become relatively meaningless in the middle area between challenged and gifted, and people (particularly /sci/ users) spout their IQ scores off as if it somehow makes their posts more valid.

>b-but you're just a brainlet!

Since this will inevitably be brought up, I have a professionally measured IQ of 144. Do I feel it has any bearing on where I am in life? Absolutely not.

>b-but here's some studies proving you're wrong!

Studies have shown that IQ is correlated to success in life - but remember, correlation is not particularly useful on its own, and correlation does not equal causation.

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9828381

I'm sorry that you scored poorly, OP.

>> No.9828416

>>9828381
>Since this will inevitably be brought up, I have a professionally measured IQ of 144. Do I feel it has any bearing on where I am in life? Absolutely not.

Reading is difficult.

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>>9828416
What is your point exactly?

>> No.9828459

This is just something high IQ people say so they can believe their success is down to hard work instead of intelligence.

>> No.9828566

>>9828416
>Doesn't properly make use of his own high IQ
>Attempts to discredit the role of IQ in success

>> No.9828574

>>9828459
define ''hard work''

>> No.9828577

>>9828416
Either your IQ test was off by 40 points or you waste your intelligence.

>> No.9828578

/sci/ doesn't even like IQ because we know all of psychology is pseudoscience bullshit. Go jerk yourself off thinking about how revolutionary you are somewhere else so that the adults can talk about math you're too retarded to grasp

>> No.9829694

>>9828574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24QCLg_hwFQ

>> No.9829696

I agree, but that does make you any less of a faggot for making yet another iq thread on a message board about science and mathematics

>> No.9829697

>>9828578
careful, your compsci is showing

>> No.9829706

>>9828343
>Do I feel it has any bearing on where I am in life? Absolutely not.
That's because you're gifted. You've been touched by the heavens and you don't know what it's like to be a disgusting low IQ subhuman. Almost every single accomplishment in your life has been handed to you by your glorious genetics. Any academic venture was determined from the very moment you came out of your mother's cunt. IQ is almost everything you are and ever will be. It is the only truth in this world. The same goes for talent and potential. Combine those 3, and they alone will predict your life with frightful precision. And yet still retards work hard to fight against this universal law. It's poetic, really.

Just accept your giftedness and leave us brainlets alone. We've finally accepted our places in life as the dishwashers and the construction workers and you're trying to take that away from us to lead us back to that god forsaken hole of delusion that we spent years trying to crawl out of. You're not helping.

>> No.9829913

>>9828343
>The US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit disagrees.

What does some retarded court have any bearing on the study of IQ?

Filtered. No one wants to hear your "intelligence isn't genetic" garbage.

>> No.9830816

>>9828343
>Correlation alone is not useful for much of anything. If you had evidence suggesting a causation
>evidence suggesting a causation
If you honestly fucking think that there is no evidence suggesting a causation here then I highly doubt your IQ is actually 144.

If your IQ was in fact measured at 144 and you aren't dishonest then that would be some pretty strong anecdotal evidence that IQ is indeed a meme.

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>>9828343
>Correlation alone is not useful for much of anything.
The skeptic "brain"

>> No.9830835

>>9828343
Fuck off Brandon.

>> No.9830897

I was an MGM student in California. Min IQ to get in was 130. Anyways, the entire State run program was based off of this book. Im pretty sure he was a nazi, or brutally non-pc. He basically says black people are retards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_Studies_of_Genius

>> No.9830915

tripnigger starts thread replies once with claim of 144IQ
>cites independent
>in a hilariously misguided appeal to authority cites one of the worst court decisions in the last 100 years (puts niggers in classes they are unable to comprehend rather than giving them a chance with special ed)
Low tier IQ bait thread from a tripfag 1/10 just go "Brandon"

>> No.9830918

>>9828459
does that mean theres a correlation between high IQ and claiming IQ has no effect?

>> No.9831002

I care about your IQ, OP is lying.

>> No.9831007

>>9828343
>Ninth Circuit
Literally worthless opinions

>> No.9831082

>>9828459
What does it matter anyway?

>> No.9831165

>high iq denying that the gift nature conferred on them has anything to do with their success
same with people who inherited lots of money who went on to make millions more claiming it was all about their hard work and nothing more

it's how they maintain their monopoly and is why they are so staunchly opposed to eugenics and gene therapy for increasing intelligence, it threatens their monopoly so they obfuscate it all

it's all very slimy, the whole modern day approach to obviousness of hereditarian nature of intelligence is pure slime

>> No.9831167

>>9828343
>IQ
Kill yourself
t.160 IQ master race

>> No.9831175

>>9829706
this, senpai

faux egalitarianism that nobody actually believes is the cruelest joke of our times

how much of the whole "anybody can be anything they want, you just need to take expensive student loans and go to college for it" was openly shilled for by banks hoping to get in on the student loan game?

really crackles your corn eh

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>>9828343
>IQ tests are racially biased
You mean biology is racially biased.

Dumb nigger.

>> No.9831183

>>9831165
There is definitely an element of this to it. It's almost as if they think it is their intangible immortal soul that makes them superior, not just being less retarded than the average monkey. And I do mean retarded, have you ever observed average people trying to operate a self checkout?

>> No.9831186

>>9830915
>144IQ
Not even that much, desu. Full standard deviation below most nobel prize laureates. He's in the too smart to fit in too stupid to do anything great range, like a surprisingly large amount of people on 4chan.

That is, provided his IQ test is legit which it probably isn't - everybody but dumb attention whores can figure out why this place is anonymous.

>> No.9831189

>>9831183
normalfags, especially successful ones, simply can't fathom much of what they have in life is the result of a genetic lottery, so they ascribe all of their success to some intrinsic quality that they possess, it's simply hard work and dedication in their view for why they are so much of a cut above everyone else. the genetic realities of life rob them of their ego, so they deny it.

>> No.9831197

>>9831189
addendum: the genetic reality being that pretty much everyone on this planet succeeds or fails mostly through no fault of their own

remember, there are people who are walking around on this planet RIGHT now who become billionaires STRICTLY through the virtue of their looks and nothing less

go tell amber heard how many of her billions she she actually "earned" and "deserved"

go tell the Mongoloid looking guy with an iq of 82 who cleans the grease trap at McDonald's for minimum wage how much of his grueling poverty he actually "earned" and "deserves"

genetic determinism is real

>> No.9831976

>>9830918
Yes, look at very lucky gifted 155+ IQ people like Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett claiming IQ doesn't matter. It's disgustingly immodest.

>> No.9832002

>>9828343
Thank you anon, as someone who actually knows something about psychological testing its refreshing to see someone getting IQ right: its not a measure of intelligence as a whole (even supposing 'g' exists), and thinking it can be measured through simple questionnaire tests is (a) arrogant of psychologists and (b) very naive of non-psychologists

Tl, dr
Psychological testing sucks dick and IQ is not a measure of intelligence

>> No.9832013

>>9832002
*Although it might give an indication of PART of what intelligence entails, although iq-tests differ immensely on what facets they find important and thus measure, classically

Daily reminder that you can be quite smart and have no ability to language at all (verbal intelligence is often measured as an indication of intelligence), while others can be eloquent from an early age and be mentally retarded at the same time (look up William's syndrome)

>> No.9832578

>>9828343
Scientists Just Found Almost 1,000 New Genes Associated With Intelligence

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-discovered-almost-1-000-new-genes-associated-with-intelligence
IQ used as measurement of intelligence as almost always
>mfw OP opinion is irrelevant

>> No.9832602

>>9828343
Not a single honest argument presented in this post, and all because you had to dance around your false premise at the beginning.

You can't deceive me

>> No.9833173

>>9831186
>Not even that much
jesus christ
is 120 ultra brainlet to you, then?

>> No.9833189

>>9828343
>I have a professionally measured IQ of 144
You don't even specify on which scale. Cattell? Wechsler? Something else? The meaning of your score is utterly different depending on the scale. Did you verify that you really know how IQ tests work, before criticizing them?

>> No.9833275

>>9828566
High IQ doesnt seem to automatically guarantee critical thinking sadly

>> No.9833281

>>9828459
We say it so brainlets dont feel resentfull and try to murder us

>> No.9833360

>>9833189
WISC/WAIS.