/sci/ - Science & Math

Are you more interested in the data or proving there was manipulation? Because you'd need a repeat trial to see if you can replicate the results to prove or disprove her results. You'd need to wait a few decades for that. Otherwise, you can read her reports (or critiques of them) yourself and draw your own conclusions.

>>9806028
>Repeating a longitudinal study
That's the problem.
There'd have to be impartial researchers trying to see if the monkey can properly communicate.

This could be big, but not a lot of researches are done on this. Probably due to the time constraint and the lack of ressources.

>>9806013
yes they can. You've obviously not looked into this at all if you're asking that question. I bet you're some sort of christfag

You could ask the same questions of most of humanity. They’re just dumbly going through the motions that they believe will result in food and sex and shelter.

>>9806048
>questioning the validity of an unreplicated study makes you christfag.

The summer break between middle and High school was when I also discovered 4chan.

>>9806013
I think this is like those AI conversation demonstrations where you can just tell that the questions and answers are rigged.

>>9806013
I don't think they can understand what they are doing

>>9806048
Not at all. Just skeptic about the whole thing. You'd be surprised how many researchers can be biased and change the validity of a study (See the Stanford Prison experiment, still a really popular experiment but it's been discovered that the guy just blew things out of proportion)
>>9806073
Yeah but there's a difference between talking to cleverbot and siri and communicating with an animal, even basic dialogs.
Pic related is a prime example, big if true but probably something made up to make the headlines.

>>9806013
I dunno, can you?

>>9806088
Typical american, bashing people for a few grammar mistakes without being able to speak any other language.

>>9806088
Came to post this.

>>9806092
Bot poster, go and stay go.

>>9806092

Reference...

>>9806092
>wasting time learning a non english language

>>9806139
French is useful

>>9806105
I never saw this movie, and now I'm glad I didn't.

Koko has been observed to, unprompted, "narrate" her play. (e.g. "chase tickle" when playing with dolls)
Alex on at least one occasion combined two words (banana and cherry) to create a new word (banerry) describing an object he didn't have a word for (apple) that had some characteristics of both.

of course, Alex was also known to bite, say "sorry" and then bite again. so not a complete understanding of the word's meaning so much as recognizing the convention of saying it to someone you've hurt.

>>9806139
>saving brainlet wojaks
>making this post
Why do retards all have the same fascination with posting these? I've never seen a good post next to one.

>>9806806

Those arent the lines, this is altering the dialog to make a subtle racist joke, implying that black people have no room to talk.

>>9807643
OH, now I feel retarded.

Thanks though.

>>9807643
>>9807999

Those are literally the lines
https://youtu.be/05bGPiyM4jg?t=1m39s

>>9807643
It was the non-edited one. I know, I thought like you it was the "can a nigger" one because it's the only one we see but no

>>9808011
I stand by what I said before then.

This is objectively bad writing.

>>9807631
There was also the repurposing of a verb as a noun to describe that which the verb operates ("browse," as a synonym for browsed-for snacks), which is a human behavior.

Sue Savage-Rambaugh has presented data on Bonobo chimps using a symbolic language of buttons on lexicon boards. They create and recognize novel combinations and use them to follow directions or make requests. The skills are not adult human level and are more a young child level. Likewise Koko uses modified American sign language to communicate wants, observations and preferences within a limited spectrum of complexity. Washoe and chimps with Roger Fouts included a generation who were not taught signs directly by humans but acquired them by observation and imitation of other chimps ( and humans). There continues to be debate on what is language and what level of signaling and comprehension is or is not language use. Patterson's data and publishing on Koko and Michael was scanty and weak. Fouts had good solid research.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/328/5974/38.full?rss=1 and https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0271530995000017 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4214247/ and https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0093934X79900476 and https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/08/koko-the-talking-gorilla-sign-language-francine-patterson/402307/