/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9802384
>hello I am a summerfag
Einstein wouldn't even argue that he was the superior genius. Newton is one of the greatest most influential minds of all time. Einstein was influential.

>>9802397
Isaac Newton had autism which is an unfair advantage.

>>9802404
>unfair advantage

>>9802384
define 'superior genius'

>>9802410
Smarter and more influential. Better at creating original information.

>>9802384
One BTFO the other and still hasn't been BTFO yet

>>9802424
Kek

>>9802431
It's true. Newtonian physics is an approximation of relativity

>>9802384

Newton's work = industrial revolution

Einstein's work = Slightly more precise GPS

>>9802463
I mean GPS wouldn't work at all if you didn't take in account relativity, but yes Newton's contributions to mathematics were far more groundbreaking.

Newton > Einstein easily...

>>9802573
elaborate...

>>9802463
So newton destroyed the human race

>>9802607
No bait please. It keeps threads clean.

>>9802610
not bait. the industrial revolution is objectively the worst thing to ever happen to society and the world. The only good thing about it is we will eventually be able to build an AI who's sole purpose is to force humans to live in a primitive renaissance life, forever.

This guy.

>>9802627
Dumb marxist/anarchist/primitivist. We dont need you where we're going.

Why do you guys dickride mathematicians so much? Pythagoras was an adult who discovered some fancy theorem that children learn nowadays. Wow! Calculus... teenagers learn that....

Some mathematicians dedicated their lives to discovering something only for it to be taught to school kids lol... Imagine that, spending years on a problem, only then for kids to learn it in a few months.

>>9802630
I'm none of those things, and you're not going anywhere you want to (muh space travel muh singularity). We're going the direction I want lel. stay mad

>>9802384
Netwon is the smaretest. His principles of seminal motion formed the basis of maxwell's famous semon demon according to the equation K=Fc^2, which is the basis of all modern alternative science.

>>9802627
>creating trillions in wealth and billions of jobs was a mistake

>>9802384
newton had the advantage of lower hanging fruit. easier to test theories, and easier to understand formulations. Einstein's work it too hard for brainlets to wrap their heads around, and the experiments to prove his work are too hard for the common person to comprehend.

>>9802633
imagine being this dumb

>>9802687
>theoretical physics
>experiments to prove his work

ayy lmao

>>9802713
>Einsteins theories are untested
flat earth tier meme

>>9802633
Imitation is easy, but innovation is hard as hell - you literally need to think in a way nobody thought of before just to do it. If you're so good as you think you are, you should be drowning in patents right now.

>>9802384
Obviously the person who invented the wheel was the superior genius. These brainlets have nothing on them.

>>9802384
Lagrange, as Lagrangian mechanics are clearly more superior than Newtonian mechanics.

>>9802384
Fucking brainlet. A thread died for this...

newton was like superbored because of plague, and plagiarized his teacher

einstein was like superbored, because a clerk job, and plagiarized one of the patents

hardly any of them was a genius

>>9802404
And Einstein was a Jew

>>9802653

LEIBNIZ

This guy

>>9802384
Newton was a genius.

Einstein was a liar, a thief, a fraud, and a huckster. Anyone who thinks a man who repeatedly fails a college entrance exam is a genius needs to take a long look in the mirror.

It's not like we don't know who Einstein stole from. It's all been documented.

>>9802384
>ctrl + f
> no Riemann
> no Hilbert

The absolute state of the lot of (You)

einstein didnt invent calculus to ruin high schoolers lives so obviously its fucking einstein

>>9804335
t. anti-semite

>>9802384
Einstein

He literally created a new way to think the Universe AND space AND time AND light AND gravitation

Seriously, it's incredible. If it was a fiction, he would be a Mary Sue.

The only one after him is Darwin.

>>9802480
>I mean GPS wouldn't work at all if you didn't take in account relativity
GPS absolutely not needed any relativity accounts, you dumbass.

>>9802404
And? Einstein was a Jew

>>9802480
although it sounds good, the whole 'GPS doesnt work without relativity' is bs. your everyda gps doesnt have an atomic clock, so just counts the time diff between signals from diff satellites, correcting for satellite possition once a week.

>>9804378
gary stu my dude

>>9804378
Good bait

>>9804463
He blew it with the Darwin comment

>>9804479
Darwin literally explained how life evolve and why we are what we are. He created a new field in biology.

Before him, the only explanation was : God.

So yes, he is the Einstein of biology

Einstein = married
Newton = died as a virgin
Argument closed

>>9802628
>did literally nothing but put 4 equations together and make a small correction to Ampere’s law, maybe some trivial thermodynamics
lol sure kid

>>9802384
Einstein just took shit from Poincare and others

Newton was a bit of a genius, real pioneer

>>9804508
>married
on own cousin

>>9802687
>invention of calculus is low hanging fruit
>action at a distance in a time when such ideas were literal blasphemy is low hanging fruit
>Einstein comes up with one wonky idea, Lorentz and Minkowski do the rest of the work
>Einstein’s own math professor called him brainlet
>Einstein lowly patent clerk
>Newton president of the royal society
Is it even a contest?

>>9804508
>>9805022
Pic related lol
Bitch looked like shrek

>>9802410
You have to finish VCE in order to post here

>>9802384

Newton because he took eccentricity to the max

Einstein just flirted with it

>>9802587
They lived hundreds of years apart. We would have to ask how Newton would have performed if he were raised in the same time period as Einstein. It's hard to say because the academic systems were so different in those two time periods. Maybe their respective skills were suited for their environments, which would make the comparison especially hard.

>>9802384
The fact that Feynman isn't in the running makes me think I might be the only actual physicist here.

>>9805031
ohh such a jew prime beauty.

>>9805732
>he prefers Feynman to Schwinger
Nope, you’re just another brainlet.

>>9805732
Also, this thread wasn’t proposing an absolute greatest genius, just positing the question “which one of these two is superior?” Learn to read please.

Einstein = regular dude works hard and gets lucky.
Newton = harnesses the primordial forces of autism to basically create modern science out of basically nothing.

If a clone of Newton lived in Einstein's time he'd discover everything Einstein did and like 70% of the major contributions to physics of that time that the rest of all physicists made

>>9804403
those satellites it references do actively use special relativity

>>9805732
Guy feynmann was a pleb compared to newton just be honest with yourself.

>>9802384
This is now an Archimedes' thread.

>>9802384
Newton. Einstein was on the shoulders of more giants.

>>9806625
>Yes, stand a little out of my sunshine.

>>9806531
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/4414232/#4416010

Einstein was book smart Newton was street smart

>>9806661
There aren't multiple intelligences.

Is this a fucking joke?

Einstein
>relativity
>photoelectric effect
>brownian motion
>E = mc^2


Newton
>CALCULUS
>OPTICS
>GRAVITATION
>LAWS OF MOTION
>LAW OF COOLING
>AND FUCKING MORE

AND HE DID THIS IN THE 1600s

>>9806760
And he wrote in latin like a fucking patrician

>Isaacoo Newtono
lmao

>>9806760
>LAWS OF MOTION
Galileo had a weird "all motion is circle" thing, but he actually beat Newton to those.
One of the laws was implicit, but if you're only interested in explicit Descartes still beat Newton to it.

>>9802384
Newton, he created a brand new branch of mathematics (calculus) and then used that to formulate a brand new theory of physics (gravity).

Einstein only formulated a new theory of physics, the maths he used for that was developed by someone else (mainly Riemann) a couple of decades prior.

>>9806760
>OPTICS
Glassblowing got better. Someone else would have done it at around the same time.

>>9806760
And? Relativity isn't BTFO yet, we haven't even been able to incorporate it into the standard model. Einstein is BTFOing people from beyond the grave.
Maybe Newton was smarter, there's a good chance.
>>9806786
No the math is insane that Newton did

bipolar vs autism, which will win?

>>9804083
>more superior

>>9805018
he made like 20 something equations which heaviside simplified to 4

>>9806845
The autist collects pictures and models of trains, but is not allowed to ride them anymore after "The Incident".

The bipolar builds a working steam engine, then disassembles it on his kitchen floor, never to be touched again.

>>9802404
>Isaac Newton had autism
Nice meme

>>9802463
the metric of scientific enlightenment shouldn't be the level of new understanding we gain, but how much easier it makes plebian life.

>>9806531
Newton also gained advantage form living in a aristocratic society.

>>9802652
>trillions in wealth
Money's worth is only relevant in comparison to goods or other money. If the USA said "every US dollar is worth a trillion nu US Dollar from tomorrow on", they would also create trillions in wealth and it wouldn't matter at all

>billions of jobs
Just what did the people do when those billions of jobs didn't exist? Poor souls

>>9806639
You’re thinking of Diogenes...

>>9807102
You’re making my point for me

>>9807342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

>>9806639
But newton believed in a lot of weird stuff.

>>9802384
why don't we just dig up newton's corpse and clone him?

>>9807354
I wasn't arguing against you

>>9807355
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_and_Alexander
Fuck your lil YouTube video, I have a Wikipedia page

>>9807386
Oh... well... good. How’s the weather where you are?

>>9807419
very warm, sunny and clear skies

>>9806760
>CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
Fuck off

>>9802384
Didn't Newton just steal Galileo's work?

Explain to me how exactly Newton is superior to Leibniz who invented calculus independently with better notation and overall theoretical framework and was actually one of the great thinkers of his time as opposed to an autistic mystical lunatic.

>>9802384
Einsteinfag here. Ok I give up. Newton was superior. Damn Anglo-Saxon genes.

>>9802687
>newton had the advantage of lower hanging fruit.

>>9807154
He died a virgin. It's safe to say he had autism.

Newton was a cunt and Leibniz was smarter

>>9802610
Industrial revolution i.e the ruin of our race, was a mistake.

>>9804083
>clearly

>>9806760
>Hey guys if I make the words all caps then it will prove my point further

>JUST LOOK

>>9807366
Did you quit reading before the end of the linked post?
>Ironically Newton himself was no different; between revolutionising sciences, he pursued he philosopher's stone in the belief that to turn lead into gold one would have to find the 'perfect substance', which would be of great spiritual significance. Newton himself might not have quite realised what he'd done, but his works caused an understated - there wasn't the outcry Darwin or Gallileo caused - but powerful moment of
>>'O shit, he's right. How did we not see this before, it's so obvious.'

>>9807478
Galileo thought that inertia caused circular motion. He was also a steadfast opponent of Kepler's model of the solar system.
Galileo did a lot for science, but no; Newton did not just steal Galileo's work.

>>9807849
Ted kaczynski, i did not know they let you post from prison

>>9804400
>>9804403
The satellites' clocks would desync and you'd stop getting useful information from them if you didn't account for relativity.
I mean, if you tried building them without knowing relativity, you'd discover it in short order, but ...

>mfw people think Einstein and Newton were geniuses

>look at them over there, doing glorified suvat equations
>they arent even doing proper atomic physics
>gigglingschoolgirls.jpg

>is a genius
>cant even invent hundereds of new inventions based around the new physics of electricity.

>>9802384
It is a tie. Einstein had a much sexier moustache. Newton had more hard rock style hair.

>>9807847
Being a cunt does not mean you could not do awesome things. Many smart people can still be quite irrationally passionate, stubborn, clumsy and/or egoistic.

>>9802384
Newton

>>9806544
>>9808315
Everytime. Relativity has nothing to do with GPS.

>>9809243
Give me a break, Dirac was a scrub compared to Newton.

>>9810231
The satellites move through time slower than objects on the ground, so their clocks have to be set to count up by more than 1 second every second.
More over, the satellites don't all move through time at the same speed as each other; so you can't just correct for it on the ground.

>>9810411
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/17814/that-10km-day-error-predicted-if-gps-satellite-clocks-not-corrected-for-relativi

>>9810411
>>9810428
Relativity has no real world applications. It isn't science.

Tesla vs Da Vinci vs Newton

>>9802384
Galois and Grothendieck would whip both of their asses.

Nothing more than a bunch of clowns busying themselves with the task of creating elegant sounding models that have absolutely no relation to observable reality, just as Tesla said.
This is what actual science looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssWDiAZY9Hs

>>9802720
>Obviously the person who invented the wheel was the superior genius.
What kind of fallacy is this?

Do you think the person who invented the wheel is likely to be more intelligent than the person who invented the car?

>>9802384
Paul Dirac

>>9802384
Newton:
>first described universal gravitation(which was a huge piece of evidence for heliocentrism)
>formulated laws in classical mechanics that are still used today(despite technically being discredited somewhat by Einstein)
>developed calculus independently
>did pioneering work on light
Einstein:
>created an amazing theory of physics that built on Newton as much as it invalidated him

Newton, in addition to being a great physicist like Einstein, was also a great mathematician which sets him apart immensely.

>>9805018
He derived the statistical velocity distribution of the ideal gas as well. Overall a smart guy, just not quite at Newton/Einstein level.

>>9810487
>>>/x/

>>9810303
dirac was a mathematical savant and natural talent in theoretical physics. they are at least comparable in terms of their talent.

Wait, wasn't ein-chan a jew?

>>9802384
The one that plagiarise his work.

>>9802384
If you pick Einstien, you should be banned. Oppenheimer was smarter than Einstien

A robot and an overrated thief. Hmm.

>>9810991
Say it doctor, who's the thief?

>>9802463
you forget, his work led directly to the discovery of quantum mechanics, without which we wouldn't have modern electronics

>>9802384
newton; most physicists and mathematicians intuit themselves all of Einsteins theories once they have learned newtons

>>9802384
These brainlets are nothing compared to the true chadenius John Von Neumann.
Just read his wikipedia page.

>>9806625
Where would we be without Archimedes?
antiquity's brainiest dude.
The modern world without his inventions would Archimedean screwed.

>>9805018
>>9810615
>takes the work of some virgin faggot who can't /math/
>turn it into the most beautiful theoretical physic theory ever
>get shat on because "muh no evidenz"
>predicts EM waves
>mechanics cucks shit themselves cause no frame of reference
>could have not prepared the terrain for QM and SR, chooses to
>theory survives those two revolutions unaltered
You popsci cucks tell me how physicists vs Maxwell isn't a perfect virgin vs Chad material.

>>9810615
I said trivial thermodynamics, didn’t I?

>>9811347
You’ve clearly never read Maxwell’s original papers. There was nothing beautiful or elegant about it. It took a generation or two before it was filtered into the form you, a brainlet, can understand. And, again, this was all work that had been done by Ampere, Faraday, and Gauss previously.

>>9811471
>implying it takes modern vector calculus to make Maxwell's equations beautiful
>implying Faraday knew math
You're obviously a freshman retard.

>>9811050
you could say that about Newton's theories

>>9811533
It does take vector calculus to make Maxwell’s equations beautiful. The shameful part is that most of the mathematical framework Maxwell neglected in his papers that would’ve made it more legible was available during his lifetime. He just didn’t know any of it. Less true for his EM work than his Stat Mech work, admittedly, but the point remains. Same was true for a lot of people working in Thermo/Stat Mech at the time, though. They just weren’t mathematicians.

>>9811542
If he’d been as smart as Newton, he would’ve just invented vector calculus to make his work more finished

>>9810431
Stay mad.

>>9802384
Tesla was superior

>>9811547

>>9811572
Lol you mad ya boy maxwell couldn’t do math like newton huh

>>9811533
>>9811572
>>9811347
Virgin Maxwell
>can’t even do calculus
>relies on other scientists
>can only break his theory down to 4 equations, doesn’t even get to the final 2-equation tensor form. Equations still can’t break down to 1 elegant equation
>lowly fellow of the royal society
Chad Newton
>INVENTS CALCULUS
>sarcastically says “standing on the shoulders of giants” to poke fun at Robert Hooke, another Maxwell-tier scientist. In reality he doesn’t rely on anyone’s work
>Breaks his work down to THREE equations. Has so much glory he decides to save the rest for Hamilton
>Born on Christmas Day, gift of god and literal second coming
>PRESIDENT of the Royal Society

How can Maxwell even compete?

>>9811609
>PRESIDENT of the royal society
shiet I regret ever doubting him

>>9811613
Forgot to mention for Maxwell:
>wife literally bases her life’s work on Newton’s, she loves him so much

>>9811609
Didn't he rely on the work of Kepler and the guy who locked Kepler in their basement?

>>9811626
That’s a lie perpetrated by jealous scientists.

i am :)

>>9802409
all the most intelligent people are somewhere on the spectrum.

good chance Einstein is merely a face, maybe even mr newTON

>>9802410
For instance, like your mom?

>>9807843
He was a pious man, faggot. Can you say the same?

>>9804166
oh yea another useless maths thread

>>9804083
>than

>>9807293
insane

Move over, brainlets

>>9804335

>He thinks the education system regardless of the time period it takes place in is good

>He doubts that people can have original thoughts that aren't taught to him

>He speaks in vaguries about some conspiracy to steal credit from a much more creative/smarter person

Go back to Kemet Tyrone

>>9811342
Aristotle is more important due to his rules of logic

>>9802652
absolute retard