/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9795026
Yikes

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What. Hypothetically you could simulate it perfectly but it's just data

>>9795174
So no matter how accurately I simulate it the CPU will not actually become wet itself?

>>9795179
WTF are you doing here?
Like I really can't imagine a troll beeing that fucking reflecting.
Hold on I just fuckn realized I probably got baited

>>9795026
What is in the machine is no more "wet" than a high resolution photo of a glassful is. You might salivate and think "that looks really good" but you can't drink it.

>>9795026
>If you simulate it accurately enough, will the wetness and coolness of water transfer to the computer
Only if you use a quantum computer. However, the computing power to reproduce water accurately enough for that is still far from our grasp, and I believe it will remain like this for a while.

>>9795322
>salivate thinking about water
Off yourself kid

>>9795631

>>9795026
Yes. If you simulate it perfectly. Real world cups and computer modelled cups are essentially made out of the same stuff right?

>>9795026
we don't know if that's possible. It is possible that simulating all the quantum stuff necessary might not be possible for a regular computer. You might need a quantum computer, but there is also the question of whether it's possible to build a universal quantum computer.

But for all intents and purposes you could probably get a 90% accurate model of water using classical empirical methods. Simulating enough water molecules to do this requires computers so powerful that they might as well be magic.

>>9795026
>Can you upload a glass of water to a computer?
the only way to do this is to take your computer and submerge it, while turned on, completely beneath the water. The computer will then upload the water. Go do that now, with all the devices you use to post on this site. once finished let me know how it worked out.

>>9795026
You can simulate the material properties of water of a quantity you choose with FEA

>>9795639
>>9795631
no they said that they're salivating about thinking of water that the computer is simulating.

>>9795026
Good question, if we could simulate a universe well enough that inhabitants would think it real is it actually real. Of course it is still bits or whatever in the computer but it acts real enough although it can't interact with the real world.

>>9795026
Anon, are you high right now?

>>9795631
Stupid piece of shit american can only be stimulated by a triple bacon deep fried coca cola with bacon mixed in it.

>>9798414

you forgot to throw in a racist, an idiot and a gun nut. So just chip up an Evangelical.

>>9795026
>Can you upload a glass of water to a computer?
Sure. Pour it into the USB slot.

>>9795631
He's probably african

>>9795026
This question actually led to the latest studies in transferring data.

>>9798423
Anon already said "stupid" instead of idiot, idiot
t. American

If you could map every single atom of your body and had some kind of 3d printer make a exact copy of you, would that copy have the same memories as you?

>>9795179
No, but it can tell you it's wet.

>>9799049
Particles also field.

So if perfectly simulating a glass of water still fails to capture some properties of it... does this mean perfectly simulating human brain still won't be conscious?

>>9799084
A perfectly simulated glass of water would capture all properties of the water.

An entity that can exist both inside a computer and outside a computer while having identical senses in both would not be able to distinguish a difference between perfectly simulated water on a computer and water in real life.

You can simulate all the properties of water in a computer perfectly, but if you don't simulate a mouth or tongue to inspect the water with, then you obviously will be able to understand what you are dealing with is a simulation and not the real thing.

>>9799084
>>9800907

Firstly I want to say that our understanding of physics is not complete - our understanding of many things is not complete - so we are making quite a few assumptions about what is knowable and the nature of that knowledge.

Secondly, a simulation of anything is a simulation. Nothing is better at being a glass of water than an actual, physical glass of water. People think you can 'reduce' what brains do to a neural network which can be implemented by a computer, but there's something intensely biochemical, sociological and evolutionary about what we do. You could somehow replicate a brain, woven into a body, woven into a society, woven into a world, or you could run a limited *simulation*.

With that said, that's not the only way consciousness can exist. It could exist on a different platform like a computer, but that would be computer consciousness, not human consciousness. Computers could be made human-like - thus making human-like computer consciousness..

I hope I conveyed my point and wasn't just blathering. I feel like I'm constantly on the verge of realising how wrong I am about this, plus so few thoughts are truly novel that you kind of just grow tired of the whole show.

>>9799084
>>9800907

Firstly I want to say that our understanding of physics is not complete - our understanding of many things is not complete - so we are making quite a few assumptions about what is knowable and the nature of that knowledge.

Secondly, a simulation of anything is a simulation. Nothing is better at being a glass of water than an actual, physical glass of water. People think you can 'reduce' what brains do to a neural network which can be implemented by a computer, but there's something intensely biochemical, sociological and evolutionary about what we do. You could somehow replicate a brain, woven into a body, woven into a society, woven into a world, or you could run a limited *simulation*.

With that said, that's not the only way consciousness can exist. It could exist on a different platform like a computer, but that would be computer consciousness, not human consciousness. Computers could be made human-like - thus making human-like computer consciousness..

I hope I conveyed my point and wasn't just blathering. I feel like I'm constantly on the verge of realising how wrong I am about this, plus so few thoughts are truly novel or life changing so you kind of just grow tired of the whole show.