/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9792873
I wish people in my class were like that. They're just huge fucking idiots who unironically discuss sports all day long.

>>9792873
>that guy who asks the professor questions he already knows the answer to just to try to look smart
>that guy who asks extremely niche or personalized questions about what's being discussed that would be better discussed in office hours

>these thots who are conscientious and not intelligent and get good grades based solely on the amount of time they spent grinding without any understanding
>wew look at me I spent 12 hours yesterday doing these exercises, I hope I don't fail the test
seriously I want something harder to come along so it can weed them out
the sight of their tears and cries will be of joy to me
t. big brain guy

Further you go up in classes the more those people are weeded out. Undergrad is bad. Even math undergrads know little to nothing on incompleteness theorem, chaos math and the limits of our mathematical systems. All of this gets worse with physics and science majors cause they are even less exposed. Anyone that makes claims about quantum computing and singularity like that clearly has little to no education on the underlying logics of those concepts and how they struggle to be applied in reality just on first principles alone.

>>9792915
ain't that the god damned truth

>Raises his hand every class to ask some vaguely related theoretical concept to show how much smarter he is than the teacher

>"What grade did you get?" said every struggling premed ever

>Brags about parent's occupation and supposed connections but cant even get an internship

Lower level classes were the worst but occasionally still see this bullshit in upper levels

>>9792915
>I'm angry that people who are not gifted with higher intelligence make up for it by trying hard

That's pretty sad bud

>>9792972
wrong
desu what pisses me off is that the highly intelligent semi-autists are laughed at and looked upon as useless, whereas not really intelligent but hard working individuals are praised
probably going to change soon, you can't grind integrals and differential equations in a way you can grind precalc stuff

>>9792972
also they are roasties so it kinda makes the whole situation look even more awkward and fucking retarded

>>9793008
I would take a hard working average iq female over a highly intelligent semi-autist any day.

>>9793089
you'd probably also take your father's cock into your ass any day

>>9792873
>references interstellar

>>9793091

>>9793096
People who follow "argument pyramids" are guaranteed loser nerds who deserve to be swirlied

>>9793102

>>9792873
>they are just pretentious
No, just ignorant and easily impressionable, as they should be.
>Are really most of the students like that
Yes, as they should be. Most of them have the potential to do very well with the proper guidance, which only a privileged few of them will get.
>Are these pop sci channels the reason for this behaviour
Partially, but the use of over-simplified science to spark wonder and curiosity in people goes way beyond popular youtube channels.

>>9793008
>integrals and differential equations
woah, thats something truly unavailable for average mind.

>>9792915
Fucking same. I have a colleague that literally says "There's no point in understanding it I just memorize the exercises" and spend all day doing so.
It might be my college but overall I hate that you can get good grades with this mentality.

>>9792902
yes, this was me until I realised that the people I was trying to impress were experienced, qualified physics and maths PhDs who could sniff bullshit in nanoseconds

i ragret nothing

>>9793125
Lol I'm literally that guy.

Honestly memorizing the exercises it's just more efficient and if you can get away with it there's no reason to not do it. Enjoy wasting your time brainlets.

>>9793008
Wow you're an insufferable autistic little shit, aren't you? Differential equations and integrals are the definition of grinding, like what the fuck? Do 300 integrals for your exam and you're done lol fucking autistic high schoolers thinking integrals are hard and shit. Fuck you.

>>9793096
It's stupid and makes you look like the stupid POS you are.

PS really, remarking that someone doesn't behave in a debate is just above ad hominem?

>>9792916
At my uni, The Reaping, i.e. the second test in calculus II, generally gets rid of a good portion of those folks.

>>9792971
>What grade did you get?"

Those and people who ask what answer you got on an exam question immediately after the test. Like what's the point of that? It's done, and now I'd like to fuck off back to my home and chill, rather than second guessing myself until the exam results are in.

>>9792972
>higher intelligence
>memorizing formulas they don't understand

>>9792873

>AI singularity

That ones actually coming though.

>>9793187
some people are curious

They are physics virtue signaling
They just like ideas which Have funding, they are into propaganda correct ideas since propaganda implies funding.
They are not curious about nature, just about what they can get out of society for sending the correct signals to recieve rewards from others.
The problem is that nature has more rewards in store when we make truly new discoveries, not like graphene or parallel universes, yet that only happens through examining foundational physics, where our unquestioned assumptions lie.

>>9793008
>Complaining about people grinding in calculus

If you haven’t taken Real Analysis, you’ve been doing the same thing, except with a lot less sex or fun

>>9792915
thank god there are subjects that cant be grinded by brainlet thots

>>9793442
>implying you can't learn anything through hard work

>>9793096
>not refuting the central point while also name-calling to spice things up a little :^)

>>9793125
>There's no point in understanding it I just memorize the exercises
honestly hate when exams copy some homework problem almost verbatim because i just remember the exact problem rather than actually showing i know the material, so even if i get the problem right i don't know if i actually understood it or not

>>9793113
it's senior year high school so I guess it might be quite hard for them since it's not the only thing they need to focus on
also they are the kind of people who are clueless about things such as trigonometric functions just because they missed one class

>>9793148
I'm not saying they are hard, I started doing them by myself and I'm alright they're fucking easy
I'm just saying that these 2 digit IQ thots will not make it alright with their habit of only grinding
also fuck you

>>9792915
>tfw to intelligent to get good grades

>>9793008
>thinks has smart because he's outscored by somebody who practiced u substitution 5000 times

Chances are if this is the case you're not as smart as you think you are, and your laziness will fuck you up even harder later because you're neither smart or hard working

>>9792915
If IQ is dictated by genetics and good nutrition at childhood, then why isn't hardwork considered a good measure for integrity if you really had no say in your IQ?

I don't get this futile elitist attempt to spread your peacock wings over things you did not work for.

>>9794093
The issue is that people with "higher intellect" tend to be fairly lazy due to a good number of things coming easier to them throughout childhood, this quickly gets to their heads, they develop an ego based around "the gifted".

laziness is seen as a luxury that they think they deserve and when you spend the entirety of your formative years like this, you will inevitably be (nearly) irreversibly lazy.

>>9793943
Go back to /r9k/ you sped
Having a powerful work ethic is way more conducive to future success than your mystic ability to understand precalc at a higher level than your peers.
Furthermore, if you're a HS senior and just finished precalc, you are below average anyways. You're basically bragging about being a math normie. I was in multivar/linear algebra in HS and that was just average, expected of us.
I don't want you to fail bro cause I kind of agree with you but if you don't learn their work ethic you'll get your ass kicked immediately once you step into harder classes.

I really thought that once I got to grad school the idiots would be gone, but that's still far from the case. There are still a lot of people in my cohort who gave up on trying to get a job without any prior planning and decided to just go get a PhD.

It's okay though, because I know I'll outcompete them in the job market in a few years. Hard work coupled with intelligence pays off.

>>9794120
work "ethic" is useless when you can't do the work you retard.

>>9792902
whats wrong with asking questions that help you understand. you might forget the context later or the question all together

>>9793089
you also probably would rather take nigger cum in your mouth than have a gf

>>9794120
i smell a brainlet. whatever helps you sleep at night just know that there is a limit to what dumb people can learn

>>9794160
>>9794146
the hierarchy goes:
smart people who work hard
dumb people who work hard
_____SUBHUMAN LINE_____
smart lazy people
dumb lazy people

Get it? Point 2: You're bragging about your knowledge of precalculus, you're not even that smart. You're prob like 115 IQ tops. Congratulations you're going to be an accountant instead of a mailman.

>>9794500
the amount of COPE. no matter how hard you work you will never be able to study anything more advanced than diff eq. this must be good bait for getting me to respond

>>9794823
>that 18 year old boomer who can't even troll properly

>>9793810
based

>>9793363
Nope. And quantum computers are useless.
t. CS

>>9794500
>hierarchy
for the corporate rat race? nope. For anything else? Nope. Machiavellianism wins almost 100% of the time.

For making things of use?
Smart + Hard Working > Smart + Lazy > Average but hard working > Average and lazy > everything else

A smart guy can do more things in a month than a normal dude could in a lifetime.

>>9794900
>heh, i'm just smart but lazy

>>9794900
>Machiavellianism wins almost 100% of the time.
1) You're not the badass coldhearted anime villain dude. You're just a nigger who is kind of smart and kind of lazy. Furthermore, you were in precalc as a high school junior so there are probably lots of people at your own school who are vastly more intelligent than you. Mediocre fuck.
2) You don't have to be intelligent to be machiavellian. Stupid people are sneaky and manipulative all the time.
3) Intelligence is not a binary thing. Goethe can probably do more things in a month than a normal dude could in a lifetime. It sounds to me like 16 year old girls are outpacing you in the classroom so no, you could not to more in a month than a normie could in a lifetime.

>>9792915
>t. sexless blob

>>9792915
hey are you the guy who starts the

>biology
>real science

threads?

>>9794863
they are useless for most things, it is theoretically possible they can be configured to break RSA large factor encryption though

>>9794952
That's the thing. Algorithms used for that require circuits that are too vulnerable to noise interference. You will never see quantum computers doing what they claim they're good for.

>>9793139
But are you doing college to learn or just to pass?

>>9794500
what about smart dumb people

itt brainlet cope.
intelligence varies from person to person, not everyone can achieve greatness

>>9794951
Biology is the quintessential science. We, and all living things are highly sophisticated organic machines, and by studying the organisms who passed through the forge of natural selection, we can create for ourselves seemingly impossible wonders. Imagine if an alien ship crashed into the earth, carrying with it super advanced technology. People would study it and reverse engineer it in the hopes that the technology could be reconstructed and made use of by humanity. This would likely fail, of course, because sophisticated machinery typically requires special tools to be assembled (ex. microchips). Not so with Biology! We already HAVE highly advanced machines to make use of, and because of its roots in DNA, we can alter and construct anything! On the horizon of biological research, I see godhood. On the horizon of physics, I see foresight made useless due to immense time complexity for calculations. Furthermore, biologists actually use the scientific method instead of just coming up with unfalsifiable theories.

>>9793008
>you can't grind integrals and differential equations
holy fucking shit kill yourself you absolute child narcissist

>>9793008
That's because autists are born smart whereas brainlets have to work for their achievements. You're actually lazier and less determined they are. If you were asked to do something that you knew nothing about, you would be outperformed by the brain let.

Y'all fucking retarded. None of us are meaningfully more intelligent than the other. Sure, some of us may know and understand a larger amount of complex information or sciences. Sure, there are plenty of fucking retards no smarter than your left nut sack. But so fucking what. Have you made any sort of significant/meaningful/useful accomplishments or contributions? To anything? Because if not, then you are no more than a smart ant. You' are a better paid worker who will die and be forgotten along with the countless other so called brainlets. This whole thread is just a masquerade for smart retards. What is going on in this thread is no more than wearing a mask to hide the truth, and comparing intellectual dick sizes. The masks are shitty and the standards for your guys' comparison are normal people and literal retards

>>9795549
yet, the core tenant of biology is evolution which is an unfalsifiable theory.

>>9795645
Do you agree that living things have DNA?
Do you believe that DNA is, for the most part, inherited?
Do you believe that the structure and functions of an organism are determined by their DNA?
Do you believe that DNA is mutable?
Do you believe that some morphologies and processes are more fit for survival than others?

Evolution follows deductively from these FALSIFIABLE. axioms!

You can even do an evolution experiment at home!
1) Get a petri dish with agar.
2) Put bacteria on the petri dish
3) Wait for large bacteria colonies to form
4) Spray them with an antibiotic.
5) Wait a while. If you aren't extremely unlucky, a new colony should have started to form
6) Spray the antibiotic on the new colony.
7) Does the colony still die, or has it evolved?

>>9792915
You're either still in highschool or stuck in some meme degree program. We only had like one of those in our EE class and I am pretty sure she switched out.

>>9793187
I love when faggot kids in my lower level math courses used to ask me this since I always got a higher grade than them. I miss those courses, they really used to stroke my ego.

>>9794093
I'll brag about being smarter than you about having inherited money and about having been born in a better country. You might try to feel better about yourself by claiming I didn't work for any of it but, at the end of the day, I'm still smarter, have more money and live in a better country.

>>9793008
Holy shit
Guaranteed replies

>>9793008
Derivatives and integrals are piss easy.

That said, neither of them are useful for flipping burgers at McDonald's.

>>9795629
Is your favorite film, by chance, Fight Clulb?

>>9792896
what's wrong with sports tho? who doesn't likes barcelona kicking madrid's ass once in a while

>>9795025
It's sad to say this but the point of college, these days, is just to pass.
We all want that piece of paper which testify we attended to shit and we know things because we hope it can help us getting a better job.
Today you can learn about anything you want (and I encourage you to do so) with a click and some books in the library (never has knowledge been so free) but without that piece of paper from the right people, it all means nothing, anon

>>9792873
science breeds nihilism

so any source of optimism in science , or advancement, or solutions to our deadlocks of science is grabbed up by people hoping to be optimist, so they can be better people

basically be optimistic but always dissappionted
or be negative and be surprised they finally pulled it off (me and the HIV vaccine, since immunology, virology and the initial papers made it seem very ineffective)

>>9796147
Basically this. Math classes at most large universities especially. You can find all the resources online and the class itself will essentially tell you to read the book and purchase MyMathLab and won't teach you anything.

>>9793102
>>9793111
based cringebois

>>9792873
psychic is super effective on fighting
>tfw too inteligent
will win

>>9794106
Tfw smart cuz lazy

>>9795959
oh fuck :(

>>9794155
Why say it out loud?

>>9793206
>no reading comprehension

>>9792915
Yup nailed it. They all wanna be doctors too.

Christ, you fatskellz aren't talking about people endorsing stupid ideas

>>9795843
Iktfb are you me

>>9793862
Thats probably because you're going to some meme university or a community college.

>>9797436
this

>>9793008
>you can't grind integrals and differential equations
You absolutely can, you can grind anything. That you picked out DEs and integrals as something semi hard tells me you are a HS senior or uni undergrad. Go read a book so you stop looking like a retard every time you open your mouth.

>>9793008
Society is based on interaction
Because hardworking people are more useful than semi-autisms that can't function socially

t. learning to an-autism myself
Retards at work that have better social skills make it nice to work with them, while I used to be too self-centered and argumentative, while my bosses don't give a fuck about my opinion and need someone that actually sat down and did shit, even if slightly brainlet

If you are semi-autist, you might not realise how difficult you make it to interact with you

>>9793206
>that gramatical abstraction process
get off this board, please

>>9792873
>AI singularity
Do you have any actual arguments for why there won't be an AI singularity?

>>9793941
>also they are the kind of people who are clueless about things such as trigonometric functions just because they missed one class
being ignorant and too lazy to review something outside the class isn't indicative of low intelligence. so you're saying that people who were too lazy to check out basic trig outside the class are performing better than you because of they're so hard working? seems like you're not the intelligent and lazy one here

>>9793862
Are you in 8th grade, or is your college just too shitty?

>>9798820
Irreducible complexity, 2nd Law of thermo.

>>9800709
Explain

>>9792915
lol you take classes with "girls" in them
what are you in, calc 2?

>>9800720
Not him, but my girlfriend is and has been consistently top 5 in all her math and science classes. They’re rare, but they do exist, and when they do, they’re usually pretty good.

I hate these kind of people. They pretend as if they know everything. But the amount of half knowledge they have is overwhelming. People flock up to these guys for learning things that I learnt 6 years ago and consider them 'genius' because of that. No one cares about me or my 3 Ipho medals because I stay quiet.

>>9792873
What really bugs me is when people ask questions that are way more suited for office hours (or after class) and hog the professor’s time. Usually a professor catches this and cuts them off. I know it’s petty, but this really grinds my gears.

>>9795997
Oh come on, so many interesting sports and you pick the one where they run about for 90 minutes without even scoring a point
Anything is more interesting, be it basketball, voleyball, tennis fucking snooker or even watching plants grow
Fuck football

>>9794988
There is a whole field of quantum error correction that specifically aims to address this issue.

Sure it's gonna be a long term thing if anything but I wouldn't write it off completely.

Lads this is kinda (very) unrelated to this thread but I need some guidance.
Out of 5 classes Im taking right now im first in the class in 3 of them and by a wide marging. In one of the other 2 i fucked up my first exam but I got a 100% without curve on the second and in the last one (physics) im fucking struggling.
I dont know what the fuck is happening.
(Please note theres no curve here and we need an over 50% score to pass so adjust grade conceptions to that)
I got a 55% in my first test and a fucking 40% on my second.
I keep fucking up on the exams on shit I really shouldnt.
When I do practice problems at home (usually way harder than exam problems) I fucking destroy them.
In the exams I make fucking dumbass logic mistakes such as not even correctly predicting where vectors will point to.
I dont fucking understand why im fucking up this class so badly, It aint even that hard.

>>9792915
Work-ethics is a superior trait to intelligence tbqh. These people will probably outlast you.

>>9801144
Get more sleep before your tests. Consider if fucking up one test is making you nervous about later tests and creating anxiety, which causes more mistakes. Just do more practice. If you're messing up despite thinking you know the material perfectly inside and out, there's probably some lack of fluency that you're not aware of yet. Become so familiar with the material that you know what the questions will basically be because you know the entire range of possible questions about this subject.

>>9801154
I think It might be the fluency you speak off.
I study for this class as I study for the others, and im very successful in all the others despite some of them being harder than this physics course.
What should I change about how approach physics?

>>9795838
i don't deny any of these. there can be falsifiable theory constructed from these facts, rather than saying
>lmao evolution is just groping around! it doesn't actually really predict anything!

>>9800971
Are you American?

>>9801144
The same shit happens to me in some courses. I annihilate the homework but when it comes to test time I blank out. However, when "that" test comes around, i.e. the one which the majority of the class scores the lowest on, I get close to a perfect score. Like what the fuck m8?

>>9801169


>>9801284 here, I too would like to know anon's approach. It's not with physics, but hopefully it's applicable to other subjects.

>>9801289
>>9801284
Yes mate the struggle is real.
Approach anon should reply. (Pls bro)

>>9801209
Polish, and I absolutely despise how the brainlets of my country adore football while ignoring the sports we're vhampions in

>feeling kinda dull
>go on sci
>its a bunch of high schools and freshies who think calculus 2 and ordinary differential equations are difficult

wew, lad

>>9792971
>Raises his hand every class to ask some vaguely related theoretical concept to show how much smarter he is than the teacher

this one gets me every time. You can ask the lecturer afterwards if you are that interested.

>>9795645
>yet, the core tenant of biology is evolution which is an unfalsifiable theory.

Oh get fucked this shit was promulgated by Popper who later rescinded it because he was wrong. Also the fallibility of scientific hypothesis and demarcation of science is babies first philosophy of science and thoughts on the matter started with Popper and did not end there.

>>9793139
>Memorize exercises
>call others brainlets

>>9792915
>lmao fuck people who try hard

>>9793008
>you can't grind integrals and differential equations in a way you can grind precalc stuff
lmao

>>9792873
Pop sci is the reason. The whole "science lmao culture" is the reason.

End my suffering

>CS majors who bitch about math to each other throughout the entire lecture
Why did you even choose that major if you hate math so much
t. math major