/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9790490
>retards are more likely to smoke

>>9790490
Duh, it's common sense. For example, if a retard were living in my apartment they would have literally blown the place up months ago. Nothing works properly in the kitchen and unless you're careful how you use the stove there's a high chance that you'll cause a gas leak.
Another fun fact: I managed to use a broken door lock for 5 months. You had to insert the key in it at a certain angle and be very careful how you rotate it. I could have made the thing last me even longer, but in a lapse of reason I gave the key to someone else. As soon as they lay their hand on it the lock went kaput for good and I had to replace it.

And I treat my body the same way. I bet it will last me very many years. (>90% chance I'll die after my 100th birthday)

>tfw you won the genetic lottery bigtime

>>9790490
>a proper thread that about IQ-relevant research
>gets promptly ignored
sasuga /sci/

>>9790490
people who have lower IQ's are disproportionately targeted by abuse and violence in personal life and by police, plus they are usually poorer.
So, obviously they would die more.
>>9790560
anon, i can't put into words how sad your entire post was

>A correlates wih B

>Darker skin, higher risk to die from criminal causes
When?

>>9790680
what?

>>9790668
>anon, i can't put into words how sad your entire post was
Do try.

>>9790668

>>9790760
>And I treat my body the same way. I bet it will last me very many years. (>90% chance I'll die after my 100th birthday)
well firstly, this entire mess of a concept lul

>>9790762
do you really want me to dig up sources because you're too lazy too google when you don't know basic shit about the thread you're in

>>9790789
>do you really want me to dig up my gender studies sources
Actually, no, I don't want that.

>>9790790
Amazing how correlation doesn't equal causation until the gender studies people say it doesn't. Then it does.

>>9790791
>I will regurgitate "correlation =/= causation" without understanding what it means
Hello plebbit.

>>9790790
you realise you are complaining about sociology/epidemiology ON A THREAD about a study in those fields, yes?

>>9790793
Lol. Read the study you braindead parasite, there is literally no causal evidence (nor do the authors claim there is). They're reporting an association. Only 4chan's 14-17 demographic interprets these things as proof that "I'm smart therefore I'm immortal," e.g. >>9790560

>>9790790
>>do you really want me to dig up my gender studies sources
Who are you quoting?

>>9790796
Other studies have established a clear causal link, dipshit.

>>9790828
LMAO
how tf is a lower iq going to directly cause death?
fuck this shit is too good to make up

>>9790828
>muh other studies
>but I have no particular evidence to offer
>and I reject everything that disagrees with me a priori because muh SJW agenda
>correlation =/= causation is a reddit meme XD

Just get the fuck off /sci/

>>9790490
>be the child of a mid-high class family
>never think about money
>go through top tier education since elementary
>become HIGH IQ
>eat healthy food because you can afford it
>enroll in sports clubs because you can afford it
>live on the country side with clean air
>live a nice life
>die of old age

>be the child of peasants
>go to public school
>become low or average IQ manlet
>eat trashy food
>expose your lungs to disgusting city air
>don't do sports
>die at age 65 due to heart disease

What the fuck is your point

>>9790835
Dumb people smoke, get fat and die in accidents.
Doesn't take a genius to see that the dumb people probably dies faster than smart people.

>>9790846
It can be even worse
>be the child of peasants
>somehow a magic happens, you're a high iq exception
>except you live in 2rd world where
>you're getting bullied in public schoolrelentlessly and all your motivation and brain is destroyed by all the stress because other tribeskids don't like you.
>sleep deprivation from young age till forever because of retarded parents
>+ they feed you the worst(and cheapest that is) of processed food with extreme amounts of sugar
>will probably die from hearth attack in early thirties (if even that) or just get the cancer very soon.
God truly dabbed on me

>>9790863
sorry for your shithouse parents anon

>>9790867
Oh and I forgot one of the most important parts, they let me play on the computer all day erry day. Not only that but the same thing is happening with my brother and I confront them all the time and outright tell them how irresponsible and how much they are damaging him but they would rather be lazy(for just like a few days at very very best). Such is life.

>>9790846
You don't become high IQ or low IQ, you're born high IQ or low IQ.

>>9790863
Surely they've been moments when you could've escaped that hellhole? Last year there was news about this farmer kid who aced the university exam. Didn't hear what came out of it, but he probably got into the best national universities with full scholarship.
And when I mean national, I mean Turkish. And here's the big part- the kid was from a Kurdish village in the south-east. This means that the kid's probably witnessed incest, child marriages, honor killings, and winters were probably actually deadly for him. Yet the shitskinned fuck got through it all.

Why couldn't you, anon?

>>9790896
The hereditary nature of IQ is open for debate. The figures range from 20% to 80%.

But it's no secret that good education- especially at an early age- boosts your IQ. This is also why alt-right people are against immigration of even the high-IQ people of Africa, because they think their descendants will regress back to the mean.

There are studies that show socio-economic factors play a big role in IQ. One study I have bookmarked that is related to the topic at hand is this:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614001433

I'm not denying that IQ is hereditary. But education is very important as well.

>>9790900
>a shitskin calling a fellow shitskin a shitskin
wat

>>9790924
>The hereditary nature of IQ is open for debate. The figures range from 20% to 80%.
60% to 80% actually. I've never heard of a figure as low as 20%.

>But it's no secret that good education- especially at an early age- boosts your IQ
That's not true, plenty of studies were done on Head Start which showed no IQ gains.

>This is also why alt-right people are against immigration of even the high-IQ people of Africa, because they think their descendants will regress back to the mean.
Regression to the mean is a different phenomena, genetic in nature. It has nothing to do with education.

>There are studies that show socio-economic factors play a big role in IQ. One study I have bookmarked that is related to the topic at hand is this:
I don't understand what the study is trying to prove. It says that children from a higher SES developer a higher IQ than children from a lower SES. That is to be completely expected if you consider IQ to be mostly hereditary, since higher socioeconomic status people are smarter than lower socioeconomic status people.

> But education is very important as well.
It's actually debated whether education has any effect at all on adult IQ.

>>9790925
We're (((diverse))), brother.

>>9790900
Because all the bad things and especially the bullying happened from young age and I'm not even close to being that exceptional, just would have had so much potential if things turned even somewhat better. Not only that but you can't compare the winners and losers in a bad environment. Some people lives change through a single event for good, other just get worse and worse and they never even get a chance ever. Even though the kid did live in worse conditions than me he was most likely a winner in that bad environment, otherwise he wouldn't have even been in school and even less be able to ace the exams. Not only is he exceptional but he most likely was able to study without having suicidal thoughts because you still have to prepare and that doesn't just happen like that, especially in poverty. I'm not trying to act like a victim or /r9k/ but a lot of people don't even realise or prefer to not acknowledge how hard some people can get fucked no matter where they started from.

>>9790934
IQ is just witchcraft unless you can explain it in materialistic categories.
i dont understand what's the purpose of linking a certain quiz results with everything. there is no value in it

>>9790957
>IQ is just witchcraft
IQ is based on a statistical tool call factor analysis. I suppose it's witchcraft if you think maths is witchcraft.

>>9790934
> I've never heard of a figure as low as 20%.
Sorry, that the percentage of what we can actually point to on our DNA.

>That's not true, plenty of studies were done on Head Start which showed no IQ gains.
Link? I know twins can certainly have different IQs when raised by different families.
Also, wouldn't literally 0 gainz hint at 100% heritability?

>Regression to the mean is a different phenomena, genetic in nature. It has nothing to do with education.
You must've misread what I said.
If IQ can be raised via education, one could argue that a black person with high IQ and good education will find that his descendants will regress back to the mean if they also aren't exposed to high-quality education like he was.
At least, this is what the alt-right point to when they make the claim "We shouldn't let high IQ Africans in".

>I don't understand what the study is trying to prove. It says that children from a higher SES developer a higher IQ than children from a lower SES. That is to be completely expected if you consider IQ to be mostly hereditary, since higher socioeconomic status people are smarter than lower socioeconomic status people.
I'll find a better study, but I think with this the point is that the IQ difference between low-SES and high-SES children triple, once they're exposed to education for almost 10 years. However it doesn't consider how brain development could affect these numbers.

>It's actually debated whether education has any effect at all on adult IQ.
I wouldn't be surprised.

>skin cancer frequency slightly increases with higher BPP-score
>ergo the paler you are, the more likely you are to get skin cancer
wh*tes btfo

>>9790964
why some people can solve these puzzles, and some can't. that's what interesting.
you just substitute the answer with abstract idea of "intelligence", basically pushing everything into metaphysical realm of unknowable. some people "just have it", and some people "just don't have"
this isn't science.

>>9790971
>Sorry, that the percentage of what we can actually point to on our DNA.
Right

>Link?
For head start, look it up, it even has a name: "head start fade out".

>I know twins can certainly have different IQs when raised by different families.
Of course, 20% to 40% of IQ is after all determined by environmental factors. But education is surprisingly not as influential as we think. Neither is parenting style.

In fact, one of the most surprising results of twin studies is the fact that the IQ of twins raised by their biological parents show the same variance than the IQ of twins adopted into separate families (assuming the adoptive families have similar SES to the biological families). We actually don't know for sure what environmental factors belong in that 20 - 40%. It's probably a complex interplay of various factors of social origin such as the kinds of relationships the child develops early on (does he hang out with people who would stimulate him intellectually?) and of biological origin, like nutrition.

I was maybe being a bit simplistic when I said that education does not increase IQ. It's true that going to a good school probably raises a child's IQ as opposed to if he went to a bad school, but not because of what he is taught, but rather because he develops in a high IQ environment which influences him in complex ways.

What is true though is that governmental programs aimed at raising IQ (such as head start) have all failed, with the children losing all their gains by the time they get to middle school. That has been shown by studies.

And keep in mind that this effect of education on IQ is very modest, a small fraction of that 20% - 40% of IQ determined by the environment.

cont.

>>9790971
>>9791058
>If IQ can be raised via education, one could argue that a black person with high IQ and good education will find that his descendants will regress back to the mean if they also aren't exposed to high-quality education like he was.
>At least, this is what the alt-right point to when they make the claim "We shouldn't let high IQ Africans in".
No, you misunderstand what regression to the mean is. Regression the mean is a genetic phenomenon. Basically, to make an analogy with height (which has a similar heritability to IQ), if a tall couple (for their group) has a baby, the baby will probably not be as tall as his parents, but will regress to the genetic mean of his parent's group. It's a phenomena which is intrinsic to genetics.

When alt-righters say that high IQ africans will regress to the mean, they are pointing out that although an african couple might have a high IQ, they belong to a group with a low genetic mean IQ, and their children will not be as smart as a white couple with the same IQ.

This phenomena does unfortunately exist. A good example are studies which compare the IQ of siblings of students with an IQ of 120. The average IQ of siblings of white students with an IQ of 120 is higher than the average IQ of siblings of black students with an IQ of 120. It's an unfortunate fact of nature that blacks have a lower genetic mean IQ.

>However it doesn't consider how brain development could affect these numbers.
Which seems to me to be quite the omission.

>>9790978
>why some people can solve these puzzles, and some can't. that's what interesting.
We're probably 20 to 30 years away from identifying all the alleles responsible for intelligence.

I wonder what you IQ deniers will claim then.

>>9790882
if you have no self control youre just as dumb as your parents
>its my parents fault kids dont like me and i play vidya all day !!!
pathetic

>>9790971
Also, as a side note:

>Sorry, that the percentage of what we can actually point to on our DNA.
That's actually a huge development. 5 years ago, that percentage would've been 0. I personally wasn't even aware we had identified so many genes already.

If they are so smart why don't they wear sunscreen?

>>9791115
Maybe a lot of the high IQ samples were from California?

>>9790977
>nord*c subhumans come to my country every year
>they drink like pigs and get roasted at the sun, red skin every where
>mfw they'll die from either cirrhosis or skin cancer
wh*teness is a problem that solves itself.

>>9791147
>>"my country"
>is sunny
>is majority non-white
What kind of african ape are you?

Someone debunk regression to the mean.

>>9790490
wow, who knew manual labor exposed you to more hazardous chemicals.

>>9791058
>>9791075
Interesting read.

>A good example are studies which compare the IQ of siblings of students with an IQ of 120
Are there any studies you can link me to? Or should I be able to find something like this in the "Intelligence" journal?

>>9791165
lmao

>>9790846
>expose your lungs to disgusting city air
And being more likely to smoke, and to smoke heavily.

>>9791147
mfw when my majority white state in my majority white country has 2/3 people develop skin cancer before hitting 70

>>9791156
are you mad they made fun of your proud white heritage anon?

>>9791077
IQ tests have a pretty established history of reporting people to be less intelligent than they are due to incompatibility with specific learning disabilities, autism etc. just to give one example.

plus at the end of the day IQ doesn't mean anything in and of itself so I don't think its so absurd some people think its bullshit.
it's just a social predictor that, while it is fairly strong, usually lowers significantly as poverty increases.
poverty which is more likely to be the actual causal factor in early deaths and pretty much anything else you wanna link to IQ.

>>9790786
>hurr durr

>>9791635
>IQ tests have a pretty established history of reporting people to be less intelligent than they are
Not so. An IQ test may underestimate or overestimate your intelligence, because it is not a perfect (errorless) measure of it. It can happen roughly equally likely in both directions.

Statistics 101.

>>9791058
>Of course, 20% to 40% of IQ is after all determined by environmental factors.
Eh, not really.
Have a recent study on this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21969232

>>9791651
i meant they have been shown to mislabel people in those groups more and to a more severe degree

>>9790896
>have high IQ genes
>get dropped on your head by the doctor

So IQ doesn't change no matter how much you study or how disciplined you are?
Two people can't have the same ability, but different IQs?
I mean I would consider someone who knows smart stuff (like theoretical physics or something) to be smart even if they score low on an IQ test.

>>9791075

>When alt-righters say that high IQ africans will regress to the mean, they are pointing out that although an african couple might have a high IQ, they belong to a group with a low genetic mean IQ, and their children will not be as smart as a white couple with the same IQ.
>This phenomena does unfortunately exist. A good example are studies which compare the IQ of siblings of students with an IQ of 120. The average IQ of siblings of white students with an IQ of 120 is higher than the average IQ of siblings of black students with an IQ of 120. It's an unfortunate fact of nature that blacks have a lower genetic mean IQ.

Not that anon but that's fucking retarded. Regression to the mean is a population dynamics phenomenon dealing with the genetic stock. If it was intrinsically genetic regardless of population there wouldn't be any variation in IQ among races.

The IQ difference comes about through a bottlenecking effect when a smaller portion of a population splits off and creates their own thus kicking off a founder effect which dictates the variation and rates of disease, physical features and even IQ. It's the reason why African Americans have a higher IQ average than sub-Sahara Africans because they are isolated from their original genetic stock. It's the reason why Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQ but are tied with higher genetic disorder prevalence such as Tay-Sachs disease because they are a stratified sub-population born from the founder effect that was riddle with it initially. It's the reason why Australian Aboriginals despite branching off from an migrating Asian/ South Asian population that should have had a IQ higher than Sub-Sahara Africans regressed to an IQ average that is lower than Sub-Sahara Africans.

>>9791687
>So IQ doesn't change no matter how much you study or how disciplined you are?
It's been proven by longitudinal fMRI that the brain's organization is malleable and adapts to complex mental tasks when trained, even in "fully-grown" adults in their mid-late 30's.
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2901267-X

Very similar to the way the nervous system develops in weightlifters to recruit more muscle fibers.
So it stands to reason that one could intentionally develop the neural connections associated with increased g.

>>9791625
I'm not even European. But I'm no nigger as well.
If Nords come to your land for summer, you must be live in a tropic region. This means you're one of the following:

-Half African half American Native
-Pure African
-Brown Chink

The last one is the best option. However I know for a fact that Nords love going to central/south America for summer, so you're probably the first one on the list. That being said, it's entirely possible that you lost the genetic jackpot entirely and you're a pure blood African living in south America.
Overall you're a lost cause.

>>9790896
Woof

>>9790896
You might not get higher IQ, but if you don't get proper nutrition as a child, your development could get affected and thus you end up getting lower IQ than expected
Example is that there was a survey in the Philippines where they tested the development and intelligence of children from poor/farmers, lower class and middle class families as they aged. As infants, they had comparable development quotinent, but as they aged, there were signs of a discrepancy in IQ among the children. At age of 12, the middle class children had an average IQ of 97, the lower class had an IQ of 92, and the absolute dirt poor children(scavengers, street children etc) had IQs ranging in 50-70s.

>>9792166
This has been discussed in the thread. It's possible that children's brains develop in different ways as they get older due to their genes.
So the child of a high-intelligence family may start out mid-intelligence, but may end up high-intelligence by the time his brain has gone though big developments. Whereas the child of a low-intelligence family- even if the child is properly nourished- may start out mid-intelligence, but may find that he loses some of his intelligence has his brain develops into an adult brain.

Obviously nourishment is important. It's the same deal with height- if you don't eat properly, you may end up short even if you had tall person genes. However most studies don't factor in brain development when they compare change of IQ on children coming of age.

>>9792118
>this reach
...i wasn't >>9791147 anon, maybe get a hobby outside preaching race 'science'
i'm mixed eastern and northern european
also TIL Australia doesn't exist lmao

>>9792193
Point to where I did "race science". Because I didn't. That being said, I hope you're not denying race and IQ.
Also Australia doesn't count as he strongly implied he lives in a non-white country.

>>9792196
>genetic lottery
>lost cause

>>9791147
Good thing we invented sunscreen and surgery. Damn it feels good to be huwhite.

>>9792174
it's not just nourishment though. Most well off children has more sophisticated toys that they play with and do problem solving, whereas poor children grow up with maybe a stick or some rubbish that they play with. It's also an environmental factor. A scavenger child inhales fumes from the dump site that can have severe consequences on brain development

>>9792198
Only one of those terms is remotely "race science", and it isn't "genetic lottery" as that term is also used by the likes of /r9k/ and incel people. It's just a way of pointing out how we have no control over our genes despite them affecting us so incredibly much.
As for "lost cause", well sorry for thinking that living in fucking Congo is being a "lost cause". I assume you think highly of such people?

>>9792208
would be good if people actually used the sunscreen eh

>>9792216
High IQ people do. Tanning is way out of fashion among the upper classes. It's not the 1960s anymore.

>>9790490
High intelligence means far higher probability of being a betanumale who has high introversion and low risk tolerance so it makes sense youd live longer being a pussy and all.

>>9792118
>What is the Mediterranean
/pol/ yet again shows that it is brainlet incarnate

>>9791682

>>9792240
>High intelligence
>betanumale
>high introversion
>low risk tolerance
>pussy
I assume you've never met a high IQ person in your life anon? It doesn't seem like you have an impressive IQ yourself desu.

>>9792285
wow whats yours anon? i wanna know so much!

>>9790490
Nooooooo genetics isnt real poltards grrrrrrrr AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>9792225
alcoholism is in with the upper classes.
Good luck with liver cancer

>>9792314
wut

>>9792285
>qouted everything i said and still failed to refute a single point
It doesn't seem like you have an impressive IQ yourself desu

>>9792274
>Implying meds aren't white
What kind of drugs are you on?

>>9792333
Not even him but that's a retarded thing to say. He's laying out what you wrote not to individually debunk them but to make his point clear; that being high-IQ people don't show those traits.