/sci/ - Science & Math

>MSc in Computer Science and Engineering
>any job I want
>$300k starting

If nobody is hiring, why don't we start our own /engi/ firm?

>>9782808
We should, what's your stuff

I want to get into the rocketry industry but I have no formal engineering degree. What is my best way to go about this? Go in via 3d printing or composite material technician positions?

>>9782850
Since the graphite that carbon fiber is made from is a conductive metallic phase of carbon, what if we electroplated it to produce a really, really strong composite material? I've done some experiments already but the process needs improvement.

>>9782869
If you could figure out how to electrodeposit Tungsten onto carbon fibre that would be a hell of a material.

>>9782881
I was looking at creating alternating phases of copper and nickel by varying the voltage during the plating process. That way it would form an embedded nanocomposite between the fibers that would be inexpensive yet extremely strong.

Get into machine learning as an EE student?

Y/n? How's the industry in that field? How's the job market?

>>9782932
Good but boring.

>>9782946
Why is that? What do you do generally on a daily basis? If it's too boring then maybe I'll go into power or telecommunications lol

This kills the engineer.

>>9783003
>solving anything analytically as an engineer
you can pretty much stop paying attention after taylor series tbqh.

>>9783004
I'm a mathematician, pleb, hold your tongue when talking to me, filthy engineer.

>>9783008
Shitposts are the only tangible things you produce huh.

I graduated 3 years ago with an EE degree. I'm still underemployed as an electrical assembler.

At this point, I'm considering going back to school to get my Masters.

>>9783008
Can I get some fries on the side please?

Besides the required math classes, what are some math classes that would be useful for an EE? Complex variables?

I'm not an ME, but is there any free (or cheap) software that's good for mechanical design?

>>9783117
just pirate solidworks

>>9783117
For material selection specifically? buy Ashby's Materials Selection in Mechanical Design, you will need it for the charts. If you have connection with a ME undergrad, ask them to send you the CES Edupack package or you can just torrent it from somewhere

>>9783044
topology

>aerospace industry
>$50k salary

>>9782867
ME into a PhD in AE obviously.

>>9783190
>good pay
>cutting edge
>high demand

pick two

>>9784484
>engineering isn't dead

>>9783117
>>9783124
Just find a university that's stupid enough to post their solidworks download code on their website

>>9784484
Just choose cutting edge and high demand because high demand implies good pay.

>engineers can't into logic

>>9784774
>Just choose cutting edge and high demand because high demand implies good pay.

get a load of this guy. go talk to pic related's intern pool. he pays them 30% less because you are there for the hype of working on spaceships and electric cars.

Is it ok if a graduate late? Like two years later or so

>>9785421
nobody cares how long it takes you to graduate college. good GPA and some experience is all that matters.

>>9785429
do they look at your total GPA or only your upper year courses. In my country, I know grad schools in my country only look at 3rd/4th year grades for admission.

>>9785362
But it will make your resume fucking shine it’s not all about $$

>>9785475
They will look at total, at major only, and at the trend of whether improved or decreased over time. They’ll also give consideration to the difficulty of the classes. How they weigh all these factors depends on the school and the individual looking at it.

>>9783026
You should, no one gave a shit about me until I started doing my Master's

>>9783190
>2.5 years into aerospace industry
>$65k salary
WAKE ME UP

>>9786777
isn't AE supposed to be the highest earning discipline, what the fuck is going on?

Which options has an EE with interest in Bio? (mostly human stuff)

>>9786872
SpaceX made every guy in EE/ME turn to AE.
I'll let you figure out the rest.
*wink*

>>9786872
All of engineering is like that famalam. Welcome to job market, where the required qualifications are made up and the salaries don't matter.

>>9786879

For my senior design project, we developed an anal probe.

I finished my dissertation for ME PhD last week and deeply regret it. Not just the PhD but pursuing engineering in general. The pay is lackluster and you're always expected to put in more hours, because you're salaried.

If anyone is wondering, the only offer I have so far is for 80K. The job isn't interesting either. I was working on obtaining a position that would be slightly out of my field, but of course that fell through.

i need an acoustic signal that covers the range from ~100kHz to 1MHz and is reproducible, any ideas?
i was looking at some piezo elements but they have a pretty small frequency range and i would need at least 100kHz steps, but finding those turned out to be not so easy.
around 1 Mhz you can find some mass produced chinese stuff but they want to sell in large quantities which i do not need.
could a mechanical impact work? like dropping a ball bearing onto a steel plate?

>>9786925
Move abroad.

Whoever guesses what this graph shows gets one blowey jowey :3

>>9786925
>The pay is lackluster and you're always expected to put in more hours, because you're salaried.

This is true. I'm not ME but I am EE. We're always expected to stay an extra hour or two. And it's seen as really bad if you don't show up at least 15 minutes early.

Also, every once in a while I have to show up on Saturdays if we're approaching a deadline for a project.

>>9787023
The chances of you getting a gf.

>>9786902
>>9786884
I wish I pursued a double degree in something I like + CS now.

I'm applying for a senior GNC (guidance/navigation/controls) position

critique my shit please

(anyone who says one word about it not being written in latex gets glassed)

>>9787365
i don't get it, so i assume you graduated with a bachelors in 2014 and by 2017 you were already in a lead position? how exactly does that work?

>>9787376
graduated in spring of 2015. I'm technically just a second-level engineer (my company is dumb and starts at Engineer II then goes to Engineer I, I'm the latter) but I'm very very good at what I do so they've given me a lot of raises and I run a team of five now

>>9787386
still, what the fuck. usually people with a masters degree won't even be in a lead position after only two years.

>>9787386
also, what's up with the job hopping?

>>9787389
it's not like we're doing brand new original designs or something like that; we just deal with supplier issues, and mostly fix other peoples' fucked-up up designs. It started with me having two guys (both newbies), and I just trained them up and we did such a good job we got two more heads' worth of work, so they gave me two more guys. it is NOT highly technical work, it's assembly line revision shit. but the fact is we do a really good job at it and the customer loves us.

I got the two guys in the first place because i proved myself off the bat to be reliable and valuable, and am a pretty good teambuilder

>>9787396
I've been at the same company since graduating; the internship was with a different one, out in the desert

>>9787376
>>9787389
and the other thing is, we're not the actual vehicle manufacturer or anything -- my company is an engineering outsourcing house, such as Belcan or Butler, with a fairly high degree of turnover -- we generally hire fresh graduates, give them a couple years' experience, and they move on to better stuff, and that's exactly what I'm doing. If you prove your value at a company like that, you can jump up really damn fast

>>9787365

lol at your cover letter.

it's a good thing you majored in engineering and not English. You are fucking awful at writing.

>>9787443
are you capable of actual, specific critique?

>>9787446
He's right.
>me while reading it

>>9787498
then redline it

>>9787504
>>9787498
tweaking some wording

>>9787516

rewrite that second paragraph. it doesn't flow at all. how did you pass high school English?

>>9787531
you're entitled to your opinion, and i don't want to be one of those children who ask for a critique then get defensive at whatever advice is given, but your advice is bad and the insult is pathetic.
Each sentence there is clearly linked to the one preceding it, and purposefully so. I make a statement, back it up, give specifics as to how I can back it up, then note how that applies to the position i'm applying for.
Do you have more specific corrections, or a suggested alternative wording?

>>9787561
Read your cover letter aloud and ask yourself what your reaction would be if someone talked like that in real life.

How absolutely, utterly fucked am I for grad school if I get an F in an upper division course?
This is a project based embedded systems course and basically I was a dumbass when it came to ordering the parts and are delayed to two weeks from now, instead of the expected delivery of last thursday. I have to present something tomorrow and I'm basically fucked

I'll be retaking the course over the summer and aside from that and a C+ in another upper div, and I have gotten As in the 7 upper div classes I have so far

god I wanna die

>>9787590
a guy in my lab had an F in his last semester of undergrad, and only a 3.0 GPA, and my adviser accepted him as a phd student.

admittedly, he is mexican and my adviser used him for diversity points in grant proposals. he was successful in that regard, too.

>>9787603

You must go to some really shitty school.

>>9787561

If you honestly think there's nothing wrong with the way your cover letter sounds, then you had to get below a 500 on your SAT verbal.

>>9787516

Some quick things to note:

I would drop the equivocating statement in the introductory paragraph, "...while the specifics of that work do not directly..." because it makes you seem like you're unsure of your abilities. Even if you actually ARE unsure of how qualified for this position, you don't need to reiterate it in your cover letter.

Focus less on passion and more on aptitude. Better yet, focus on experience over aptitude. Aptitude falls into the same category as "talent" or "bravado" or "dynamism" -- it sounds great on paper, but the value of one of thesestatements is entirely dependent upon the person attributing the positive characteristic to you. This company is concerned about money and risk. A self-assessed summary of your talent for the work is not going to convince them that you're a good candidate for the position.

The opening statement of your second sentence is weak. You'd better understand what the hell you'll be doing on the job, otherwise why the hell are you applying in the first place? Intuitive understanding is not quantifiable, it's another empty self-assessment. Explain how well you know the material associated with the job by giving several examples of things you've accomplished that pertain to the position. What KINDS of experiments have granted you an understanding of these uncertainties..." associated with state/sensor uncertainty?

Your third paragraph is good. You sound like you now your shit. Make your second paragraph similar.

Reconsider the purpose of your fourth (concluding) paragraph. Usually I use the concluding paragraph to inform the specific company why I think I'd be a good match for them. Give some statement about how you value their working environment/history of development and you hope to become a contributing factor in their future endeavors.

>>9787604
i do, but you must be delusional if you think this doesn't happen everywhere. proposals have an "impact" or "outreach" section where PIs brag about all the non-whites they recruit.

>>9787619

Yeah I know there's a slight preference for minorities but that doesn't extend to really shitty GPAs like the one your co-ed has. At least not at top schools.

>>9787624
my adviser is a jew so he'll do whatever he thinks will get him money. i'm not joking either.

as you may imagine, the mexican guy is under performing and constantly taking time off to the point that it's even starting to annoy my adviser even though he has a very hands off advising style, i.e. he's not aware of everything that happens in the lab. the mexican guy is also currently below the GPA threshold to have his preliminary defense even with the insane grade inflation in grad courses.

>>9787561
lmao normie engineer

>reading job description
>extended hours and weekends required

>>9787608
760 verbal, 780 math, 800 writing

>>9787614
excellent, much appreciated

>>9788095
actually no, it may have been 780s across the board. I just remember missing one verbal question, one math question, and final score was 2340.

>getting a D in a major course because I overslept through my 2nd midterm, worth 30%

gonna retake the class this coming summer
how boned am I if I want to apply to a grad program? (mech E)

>>9788179
also, it's a junior course lmao

>>9788179
>>9788185
are you completely unable to convince the professor to let you take a make-up test?

>>9788187
i tried, he said no.
I have to live with that D.

>>9788190
is this basically death if I have a C in another junior course. my upper div gpa is sitting at a 3.7 atm.
just fuck my shit up

>>9786969
Do not even consider doing this. Yuropoor here, I would move to the US in a heartbeat if I could. Unless you're in Switzerland 80k starting is literally unheard of here. You're lucky if you get 50k (and half of that will go to taxes).

>>9782772
>finishing meme MSc
>try to find job 3 months prior to finishing it
>no luck
>finish it
>3 notbad/10 job offers pop out instantly
wew lads.

>>9782932
meme learning is not worth it IMO.
Unless you find a niche like Quality Engineering was a few years ago.

>>9787365

>>9782784

I call bullshit.

>>9787365
Honestly, it's very waffle-y

>>9787365
Should probably use LaTeX to make it at least look good

>>9787365
Your entire conver letter is saying and not showing. Try to back up your claims succinctly

>>9787516
Of course you believe you're good, don't bother saying that. If it didn't directly relate, they will know that quickly. Don't tell them you're not what they're looking for, go into why you ARE a good fit instead of saying you aren't then trying to convince them you are

>>9784771
nigger you can just get it off a torrent. I showed my tutes the new version I got and they asked me to copy it over to their computers.

>>9787590
Retaking the course and getting an A will show its an anomaly. It will be something you better have a GOOD answer for if anyone asks (with what you learned and why it's not going to happen again). Since it's project based, they may assume that's how your research ethic or work is going to be so have a way to dispel that in your personal statement. You can get into a PhD program retaking it even without diversity, but make sure the other aspects stand out as well. Maybe get a letter of recommendation from that professor after you get an A in the course during the retake.

>>9787608
>>9788095
Standardized tests show how much you study for a particular aspect more than your competence in a subject/field, but it's it is strange if you aren't applying your 800 writing to this. Technical and business writing is different from SAT writing though

>faggots who think degrees and PhDs get the moolah.

It's all about who you know nigger. Go to literally every engineering event hosted by your Uni. Sign up for every engineering society and attend all their events. Try not to sperg out in the face of some CEO and then jerk him off softly with your deep interest in his job and how smart and successful he is.

>100k starting
>2 years later I'm head electrical engineer leading a team of 4 people who each have another 10-20 under them.
>mfw when I got 55% on MA1000 (high school maths+)

>>9788347
>>9788321
>>9788324
>>9788322
>>9788335
I revised it quite a bit with >>9787614's very helpful tips. Will post it later; at work
now.

I also have a guy who works in the propulsion group at the company I'm applying to, who's written a really glowing recommendation he'll send to the hiring manager.

>>9788347
I did not study for the SAT, I just test well

>>9788350
oh and btw, once you get a job make sure you do it well. Once you have a job that's all anyone will care about.

>>9788246
Why do you think is not worth it?

At least here in South America a lot of new jobs are being created for "Data Scientists" or "Machine Learning Engineers". All big companies are opening new offices just for that kind of engineers.

>>9788360
this; working fucking hard is how I got a 9.25% merit raise after my first year, a 10% raise for additional responsibility after the second year, and a 4% scheduled raise this past April. Those were big fucking bumps pretty damn fast, all from just working really hard and caring about doing a good job. You'd be shocked at how many of your co-workers don't care about those things.

>>9788415
Good job bro. Where you work?

>>9787516
Why did you assume the hiring committee's gender?

>>9787516
>Ipride myself on professionalism and dedication.
>working alongside others with the same passion brings me a unique joy.
>I eagerly hope to speak to you further

cut this gay shit out. you sound like a fucking starstruck lover or some shit. you're asking for a job not a fucking blowjob.

do lower division courses matter for grad school admissions? I'm currently sitting with a D+ in a programming class, and I'm wondering if I should retake it.

>>9788442
no, go get a job and no-one will even look at your D again.

>>9788246
how is ML not worth it? I'm in CompE and I'm considering grad school for AI.

>>9788015
Oh capitalism

>>9788424
A general engineering firm like Belcan or Butler. It was the only aerospace work in my area while my gf wrapped up grad school.

A company in California has revealed a new powerful software that efficiently designs circuits at peak optimization for a desired function.

It's over! Engineering jobs are getting replaced by automation. Game over!

>>9788700
where are the proofs?

>>9788700
>>9788721
I actually did stuff like this fir my undergrad research. All of the design work in engineering is really just a mathematical optimization problem that a computer can do a better job of than a person.

Am I correct in understanding that basically all mechanical engineers have their EIT?

>>9788798
EIT?

What are some good part-time jobs an EE student should consider finding?

>>9788835
The license before your PE that you get for taking the FE exam? Is that a no? Just curious what fraction of engineers have it and how much it will stand out on my resume.

>>9788798
No. Most DONT have their EIT and it is absolutely one of the best credentials you can get. You are a fucking made guy once you get your stamp.

>>9789287
If it's really that special then why can't I get a job?

>>9788846
Just get an internship, any internship that's not technician work. Undergrad doesn't teach you anything useful and a year at a real firm will teach you more than your entire degree

Just got my internship offer, boys. Right in the nick of time, too. We're all gonna make it.

>>9789293
autism

>>9789344
I don't even get selected for interviews.

>>9789293
how many applications have you put out?

>inb4 "I applied to all the Fortune 100.."

>>9789369
I've lost count, but between 90-110.

>>9789372
is that total or just this semester?

>>9789374
Over the last few months. I already graduated.

>>9789375
Where did you go to school?

>>9789384
It's a decently ranked state school.

>>9789386
Fuck man, that's rough, I'm sorry. Did you do internships?

>>9789393
I did undergrad research and then my capstone project was a coop with a local aerospace company. I have a bunch of extracurriculars too.

>>9789375
Your resume is more than likely garbage and you didn't start looking early enough. Get that looked at and bump your numbers up. Like at least 50 every week.

>>9788243
how did you get them? were they responses to old applications or new applications you put in with referrals?

Fuck man, I passed all my classes this semester, but the grades I got for them is just really shit. Tanked my gpa even more. I'm planning on taking 2 classes this summer that I know I can use to boost up my gpa. My question is, this is my last summer free because I will going into my first senior semester this fall and hopefully graduating in spring, should I try to pick up an internship in the fall or spring? I have no job experience in anything related to engineering.

>>9789529
Also, I'm an EE major with some programming experience in c/c++/java/matlab.

I'm seriously considering getting a minor in computer science at this point just to have more options for employment after I graduate.

>>9789396
no one cares about undergraduate research unless you're going to grad school. sad truth is that unless you had internships you'll have a hard time finding a job. not that the internships teach you anything, because they won't, but then you would have professional connections that would most likely refer you for a position.

>>9789530
Minors won't help, employers look at those last. Do what you can to get internships and experience, they show more than grades do.
If all else falls, truly, just go to summer coding camp.

>>9789530

Just switch majors to computer science.

The industry is oversatured with EE majors. Most EE graduates are unemployed or underemployed. Employers also prefer low wage immigrants.

Also, automation software is taking over the tasks of EE workers.

anyone here use dev c++? When it automatically makes a pair of characters like <> () or {}, is there a keyboard shortcut that lets you move the cursor to the right of the pair? (besides using the arrow keys)

So my aunt kinda wants me to leave the US and go to Norway for an entry level engineering job, probably find one at some oil company or something.
What is the job situation like in Norway, actually more importantly what's the pay like?
Don't you have to pay like a billion dollars in taxes there?

So i'm finishing my MS in physics in a few months, and my research was focused a lot on microwave engineering/RF engineering and material science stuff. Since I planned on going into industry from the start I figured I'd have to apply for mainly engineering positions. Is the microwave field over-saturated at the moment? Do I stand a chance of getting a decent job or any job that isn't just doing the same thing every day for 10 hours a day?

>>9789669

I work at a company that specializes in RF/microwave.

We do not hire physics degree holders.

>>9789674
Can you expand on the reasoning why? Is it because you assume a lack of experimental information or something? I currently do a lot of collaborative work EE and Material science guys and I feel like I hold up to them just fine.

>>9789405
>Your resume is more than likely garbage
r8

>>9789786
Not the guy you replied to but here's my r8:

why the fuck would you take the CSWA exam and not the CSWP
Your "projects and experience" section is all projects. You have no job experience whatsoever on there.
You don't need your references on the resume itself. That's just a waste of space

>>9789337
Not me...

>>9789797
>why the fuck would you take the CSWA exam and not the CSWP
That test was paid for, so that was what I took.
>Your "projects and experience" section is all projects. You have no job experience whatsoever on there.
It also has my undergrad research and the stuff with Boeing.
>You don't need your references on the resume itself. That's just a waste of space
The previous feedback I had received was that people didn't believe I actually had the skills and accomplishments listed on my resume, so that's why I moved the references onto it.

>>9789786
those are some fancy animations, chris.

>>9789337
Me neither.

>>9789612
no joke, but you've legit been posting this crap in every engineering thread. You don't get tired of it?

>>9789916
did you find a way to see past his blacked out lines? i never trust 4chan's autistic photo analysis skills. the few times ive posted pictures of stuff blacked out i black it out and take a screen shot of the picture and make a new image of the screenshot and save as jpeg

cant do your png layer fuckery now can you

>>9789293
if you're a white male you need 3+ internships, 3.5+ GPA, and a direct connection to get employment anywhere

>>9790356
That's literally everyone

>>9790356
Or stop memorizing shit for good grades and forgetting it after the test.

You can get jobs as soon as you stop bumbling technical interviews because you have shit fundamentals

>>9790364
Also to add on to my previous post, do projects outside of class. Sounds like you're graduated already so just do a passion project, document it somewhere, get a patent on your design for something, whether you plan to manufacture or not. Anything you can tack on to selling yourself is good

Civil engineer with honours
I graduated last year but I've been faffing about with my bartending job before I have to move away from my friends and family

Am I going to be fucked looking for a job because I didn't do anything for a year?

>>9790406
don't worry about it bro zZ LOL is all gonna be OKAY xD

>>9790359
Lol

>>9790406
If you're a white male, you're fucked. If you're not, you're fine.

White male here. Is it possible to contrive any "diverse qualities" about myself? Do they want to meet learning disability quotas? I have dumbdumb ADHD, will that work?

>>9790489
You could become a she

>>9790489
diversity quotas are a spook
unless you're trying to get into HR at a tech company
Which I would assume you aren't

>>9790489
My Electronics firm is all white guys and that's probably not going to change anytime soon. The only diversity hires are out on our production and assembly floor because that's where they can't ruin the company

>>9790662
;_;
that doesn't sound good if you're a black male

Don't become an engineer. There is still time: you can still save yourself.

>>9790861
I'm already hedging my bets by taking classes in project management, so I outchad the Pajeets and get on the management fast track.

Can the knowledgeable friends of /engi/ rank the following disciplines from least to most meme? Thanks.

Mechanical Engineering
Electrical Engineering
Bioengineering
Civil Engineering
Materials Engineering
Computer Engineering
Aeronautical Engineering
Chemical Engineering

>>9790880
Threadly reminder that people with autism are pathologically compelled to sort and rank things.

>>9790903
t. civil engi meme victim

>>9790912
Wrong. Also all of the options you listed are memes, though CompE to a lesser extent. Here, have another autist stack.

>>9790880
Least meme: EE

Most meme: Everything else

>>9790880
If you live in USA just check the BLS. You can't predict the market either so it's best to study what you like and then apply yourself. If you seriously are too autistic to find a job then resort to coding camp and then be a code monkey for a couple months until either the market gets better or you save up money to get a grad degree.

>>9790880
>>9791132
BLS isn't accurate because it only looks at the absolute number of new job openings, not adjusted for the number of applicants or fresh graduates.

>tfw just got accepted to Uni for engineering

>>9791152
You're in for a world of pain m8.

>>9790051

uh actually I haven't. You're thinking of other people posting the same thing and that's because it's true.

EE is a meme. The jobs are going away and they are going away fast.

>>9790679
If you get a BSc you can get a six fig job instantly at any fortune 100 company

>>9791152
/sci/ memes engineering classes to be brainlet level. And in some ways they are. After you already have a doctoral understanding of physics. Getting to that level is very hard. A lot of people forget very quickly how hard the material was that they had to learn and pass.

That's the thing that surprised me the most about college. The material was hard, but the people who pass it forget almost overnight how hard it was and they'll treat you like an idiot for not being able to ace every test even though they probably barely even passed.

>>9790861
what should i do then?

Guess I'll apply to every fortune 100 company.
Let you know if I'm making six figs in a month.

>>9791152
If I could do it again I would've gone with a physics/math + CS double degree

>tfw doing a bachelor of technology degree

>>9791215
meant to reply to >>9791170

>>9791215
are you black? i work at a fortune 100 company. let me refer you. i get a $2k bonus if they hire you.

>>9791407
Yeah, what company?

>3 years into a mechE degree
>Mechanical engineers became essentially automated this past year
At least I'll be able to use the back of my degree to write my suicide note. Who else fell for the mechanical engineering meme?

>>9791324
Hello Pajeet.

>>9791496
what are you talking about, you can always take a minor in CS and go for a Msc in it afterwards.

>>9791498
Not a Pajeet. It's a shame though, it'd be easier to get hired in bongland.

>>9791501
>Another two years of unemployment

>>9788095

uh you got high sat scores like that but you still went to a really shitty school?

How hilariously fucked am I going to be when I graduate BEng (mech) with a 70% average at 25 years of age? If I wasn't a fuck up I could have been in the field 3 years ago or could have gotten my masters last year and worked for a year. I'd be 1 year from PEng.

I'm gonna graduate but I am doubtful about my prospects postgrad.

>>9791532

What school? If you didn't graduate from a top 100 university, I would be a lot more embarrassed about that.

>>9791533
Not a top 100.

>>9791536

Well, you not in a very good situation then, to put it mildly.

Do you engi lads find yourselves working for perfunctory managers with fancy degrees from top schools? I'm currently studying an engineering discipline at an elite school, but I don't really want to be an engineer for a career. Is management an option for a lazy soul like me?

>>9791550
go to business

>>9791548
I'm not entirely opposed to suicide. Can't pull the trigger while my mom is still alive though, it would be too cruel.

>>9791555

You'll be fine. Most employers don't give a shit that you spent a lot of years in undergrad.

>>9791532
We're in similar (mine is worse, probably) situations. I'll graduate BTech (Industrial Electronics) when I'm 24-25. Not a top 100 university either.

>>9791265
same
oh well, I have a comfy low-effort power systems job that requires relatively little brainpower and keeps food in my fridge

>>9791265
Why?
Because I'm currently trying to decide between that and studying EE/CompE.

This summer I'm going to be interning at a NASA Research Center. The division I'm going to be working in is comprised entirely of independent contractors working for a private company on behalf of NASA, and as such my internship is also through the private company. So, can I list NASA as my employer for future resume purposes, or put something on the lines of "NASA via XYZ Incorporated" for my work experience?

Anyone else here go the technologist >>>>> degree route? Currently in the process of doing so

Just got into the 2nd year of the diploma for ME technology, figured I'd work some as a technologist and head back and do degree after putting my foot in industry.

How are you anons doing today?

>nobody is hiring

lel, should've done aerospace engineering. I live in so cal and just graduated from a mid shelf school with a mediocre resume. So many call backs and opening available.

>>9791550
business positions drool over engineering. those brainlets think you're a genius

>>9790381
>if you're a white male you need a patent to get hired
thanks, faggot.

>>9791685
what mid shelf school? cal poly?

>>9791685
that's because no one in their right mind wants to work in california.

>>9791695
long beach state university.

>>9791699
okay fly over

>>9791496
I know that fucking feel, actually just switched to CS after 3 years of ME.

>>9791702
What even is CS? Am I a brainlet?

If I take revelant coursework as an EE undergrad, could I land a job as a data scientist or something more CS-related? I-I'm scared /sci/ but I don't want to switch to CS because I'm afraid you guys might be just memeing about the "lol EE has no jobs" thing.

>>9791732

If that's really what you're interested in then switch to CS you retard.

>>9791685
post resume

>>9791732
Just go to a trade school

>>9790359
not when pajeet will take your job in the next diversity quota hiring with only having half those requirements

>>9791770
Sorry I should've pointed out that I'm actually really interested in signal processing and computer vision (from an EE standpoint) and I was asking about landing CS jobs just in case the job market for EEs in signal processing is as death as you guys like to point out.

>>9791787
well to get a good job you need all those things
maybe not a direct link, but definitely a good resume that isn't lies or exaggerations and a high GPA and solid references
there's no way to succeed without those things

>>9782772
>he didn't eat the fucking salad

>>9791779
I'd rather tell you

small internship my summer going into junior year at place that design and manufactures machinery and tools. Met the guy at the restaurant I work at. It was actually really shitty, didnt learn much, but I beefed it up on the resume.

Senior design project

extracurricular (not even eng related. president of a club sports team)

served at a restaurant for four years

2.8 GPA (didnt list it on my resume)

I graduated just a few weeks ago, have had 1 interview and didnt get it. another coming up. I've had recruiters call me twice for job openings. A better GPA and more eng-related extracurriculars would've put me in a much better position. I also learned a couple programs on my own and did project with them to help me out.

Honestly, aerospace in southern california seems to be adding a lot of jobs now so I am just in a good place. My higher GPA classmates are finding more success than I.

>>9791685
>America
No shit, try working in aero if you're in Canada.

What's the best way to maximize my diversity points when applying to jobs?

I have partial vision loss from an autoimmune disease and I've been checking the "I have a disability form" when applying to jobs, but should I elaborate on what the specific disability is in my cover letter? It's just patches of my peripheral vision so it doesn't affect my ability to do the job and I can still drive. Also how to handle the fact that I have to wear these douchey looking sunglasses to interviews because light hurts my eyes? The sunglasses always offend interviewers but I have to wear them to avoid eye damage.

>>9791856
come down to LA we can eat breakfast burritos and watch homeless people

>>9791872
I'm in a special mechanical program with my last three semesters having a crash course (LOL!) in aerospace engineering. Can I network you over 4chan?

Could /ENGI/ quite literally save my life?

>>9791863
Lmao at pic related after reading your post. Just tell them when you introduce yourself idiot, how is that difficult?

And yeah, you can attach an optional appendix to your cover letter in case they are interested in the details.

>>9787023
>seems like something you should be working on and not asking /sci/ what it is without units and context.
Just looks like some pulses with over/under dampened responses from your system.

studying engineering was the biggest mistake of my life. i didnt just study it but also built my entire identity around it since middle school. now its literally the only thing i am interested in but i cant even get hired as an engineer mow that i graduated. there is no worse feeling than this

i think im actually going to kms

>>9791993
Don't do it, buddy. If it's any consolation, I make good money in engineering right now, and every week I have some episode where I think about quitting to go become a cop in Hawaii or some shit. The horrible secret of life is that nobody is unreservedly happy. That's the human condition.

>>9791993
If you really love it, you may enjoy going to grad school and doing engineering research. It'll help you touch a lot of hard fields while still focusing on making things, if in the abstract

>>9792002
>>9792006
im going to livestream it here when i follow through. all i have to do is eat a fucking peanut butter sandwich

>>9791993
Mechanical engineer?

>>9792028
You can move forward dude. If you want to follow through with being an engineer on your own terms, you can do the slightly foolish and very risky business of investment into your original ideas, but that'll take a lot of time, confidence, and highs/lows to get started.

Either way dude, there is definitely a way to move forward with all this knowledge you've accumulated. I'm not even in engineering and I'm rooting for you

>>9791670
You list your employer (the contractor) and in the details underneath you write where you worked.

>>9791872
I need security clearance for actual aero work though.

>>9792028
I'll be there to watch you anon.

>>9791993
if you're a white male, you need 3.5+ GPA and multiple internships/co-ops to get a job without a connection after graduation.

you didn't do anything wrong if you didn't meet these requirements. you just didn't know the rules of the game you were playing. contact people you know, see if anyone has a connection or knows someone who knows someone. there's always a way. the path to success isn't always obvious. if it was obvious everyone would have a great, successful life. but if you already have a BSc, you'll be fine. but you might need to start applying to places across the country.

>>9791787
hold up. only blacks and mexicans get hired for "diversity". pajeets and chinks are at parity in industry so if a Raj or Zhang beats you out for a job its because he BTFO you fair and square.

>>9791993
C'mon man...
People that have done jail time try to pick themselves up.
Relax.
I am poor, rely on family, worked menial jobs after my 3rd rate uni, come from a poor country from a broken family and still trying to figure out things.

So, how's /sci/'s stance on Chem Eng?

I love it and I'm an intern on the metal industry, getting a relatilvely high salary

How's the industry for us ChemEngs?

>>9792395
raj and zhang are still preferable to john and steven because raj and zhang can be paid 50% the wages of john or steven, if raj and zhang are staying on h1b visas

>>9792413
second/third worlders like to post on 4chan whenever a depressed western kid makes a depressed post. but 2nd and 3rd world countries have a lot of social cohesion that western countries lack.

humanity lived for a long time without clean running water and perfectly maintained, paved roads. civilizations that lacked social cohesion don't stick around for very long.

so this is my highly verboten opinion: but a guy from a developing nation doesn't actually have it that much worse off than "1st world problem" types of people. you have the traditional family unit. you have masculine men and feminine women. westerners have no such staples of civilization.

>>9790880
>Systems and Industrial not in the autists rank
feels good

>>9791646
both dont have jobs

>>9792447
>So, how's /sci/'s stance on Chem Eng?
meh, engineering for girls, mostly
>How's the industry for us ChemEngs?
Almost completely dead

>>9790880
CompE=EE>Aero>ChemE=MechE>MatE>CivE=BioE

>>9790880
retarded idea
>>9791015
>>9792491
insecure

>>9792495
not an argument

>>9792471
No. The difference in pay is negligible from a corporate cost savings standpoint. The benefit in H1B’s is that they can’t get poached by other companies and will put up with being treated like dog shit for fear of being sent back to their homeland.

>>9791732
>>9791793
Pls respond

>>9792708
right, and because they can't take on a new job, they won't ask for raises even after working for multiple years, thus their salaries are significantly less than citizens with the same experience and background

or,exactly what i wrote

>>9792002
lol
I've legit thought about becoming working for the fbi or becoming a cop if I hate engineering.

>>9792475
>but a guy from a developing nation doesn't actually have it that much worse off than "1st world problem" types of people
You truly are clueless or trolling. The shit I've had to endure in my lifetime because of being born in this shithole is no joke.
We only call out your "1st world problems" because you don't live in a place where people get beheaded on a daily basis and has higher homicide rates in a year than the totality of the Syrian War.

>>9793249
That literally only happens in Mexico though. Down here in Chile and Argentina we're doing pretty great.

Guys how do you get started in undergrad research? Should I just walk up to a professor's office and ask him if I can join his research team or something? Help me, I honestly don't know how to get started.

The thing that's also keeping me back is the fact that I don't know much about anything. I'm majoring in EE and I'm currently taking classes in Applied Electromagnetism, Mathematical Optimization, Algorithms and Data Structures and Circuit Analysis and Design, which are all pretty basic courses so I don't know how a professor would take the fact that I want to do some undergrad research with him.

>>9792481
>CompE doesn't have jobs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>9793292
suck his dick, for real, you're gonna just be a lab bitch for the first few months or so.

>>9793292
Email any professor who does work you're even remotely interested in. Gush how you're super excited about their work and would love to learn more.

Also, if they invite you to their office don't wear a suit like I saw this one guy do.

Working CAD in automotive is pure suffering. Heavy workloads, little bitch treatment, no salary, no prospects. I don't even design stuff, I am glorified secretary putting new revisions in PDM, making .pptx comparisons and shitting drawings for production like crazy.

Worst is that people with no uni education that came from plant manufacturing do basically the same but don't have "engineer" title, being "speciallists" instead. Like it makes a fucking difference.

Fuck this shit. Years of difficult education with mathematical modeling, uncertainty analysis and systems engineering just to end in sheet metal supplier.

>>9791143
It's still very useful as a baseline regardless. To account for this information you can simply look it up yourself and do the math. BLS has good information.

>>9793326
What do professors usually do with undergrads that want research experience but don't know much?

>>9783117
AutoCAD and Inventor are free for students with a university email

>>9793454
The professors know you don't know anything at this point. It's going to vary from professor to professor, but generally they'll have you join an established undergrad/grad student who knows what they're doing. I've seen professors give students a couple of papers and send them off into the lab, but I would try to avoid that situation as much as possible.

Pro tip: pick the nice professor over the mean professor, even if their work is slightly less interesting. Terrible advisers will ruin research for you.

>>9793367
>he thought he was done paying dues in college

>>9793367
Salary?

>>9792479
my man.

just remind yourself that the banter against IE mostly comes from frustrated AE and EE majors who can't get jobs or internships while we literally drown in offers.

>>9788179
damn. I just got 2 Ds 2nd semester junior year of EE and now I'm getting kicked out of the program. I need 4 more classes to graduate too. I could have pulled it up to a C but I didn't realize a D would get me kicked out, I just planned on taking it again next year since they're spring semester only courses. fuck

>>9793367
>working in architecture as an electrical engineer
>glorified CAD monkey
DELET THIS

>>9791702
shit sucks about the timing, but smart choice and you won't regret it down the line.

>>9792006
Don't do this. I'm the guy that just defended his ME PhD and posted earlier in the thread. It's the same exact shit as after undergrad except you wasted 5 more years (you might finish earlier or later) learning "skills" and gaining "experience" that no one in the industry cares about. With a MS you have to pay for it, so it's better to get it down the line rather than going into (further) debt.

>>9793367
Welcome to engineering. I have 9 years of college and test and modify (not design) ovens, furnaces, etc. I work alongside people with an associates degree doing the same thing.

My biggest regret is not doing finance and CS or applied math and CS for my undergrad and MBA for grad school. Less time to finish the degrees, far more employable, far better salaries, and you're not just a glorified drafter/mechanic/electrician.

>>9793514

Third world since even though I work for global concern and not for a plant, I have contract with plant site and get money on local conditions.

First 3 months: €503/month, now I get €655/month + ~ €2340 annual bonus paid quaterly.

So all in all it is €10 200 per annum. Sometimes I get money for the delegation of which portion can be saved. Absolute the most I've got was €300 in case of a week abroad, week inside the country is €70, but of course I don't do these often,aybe couple times per year. I was abroad 2 times for a week.

But this is miscellaneous stuff, like €70 Christmas bonus.

I guess final annual net earnings could be on absolute max €11 000. Good thing though I can jew employer on training.

>>9793836
but what is your cost of living? those numbers mean nothing if your rent for the whole year is €1,000 which is what i assume it is.

>>9793849

Rent for a year here is €3000.

Where can I find historical salary data for engineers going back to the 1950's? Something tells me life didn't always used to be this horrible.

>>9793870
market gets oversaturated. You literally get together with a team and put shit together in order for a company to sell and they make millions while your salary doesn't even reflect that. One of my professors used to say that shit all the time.

>>9793871
Engi uprising when?

Do you absolutely need to get an MBA to pivot into management roles? I'm currently taking a handful of management courses in grad school alongside my engineering coursework, and I go to a super elite institution. Will that be enough to get into management roles down the line?

>>9793871
That's capitalism for you lol

The Soviet Union was known as the nation of engineers for a reason you know? They were the most valuable members of Soviet society.

Engineers of the world should unite and establish socialism once and for all. I hate that all those financefags, entrepreneurs and bankers are getting all the money doing 1/10th of what we do for society.

Is undergrad research valuable when applying for a job? Or is it only useful if you want to get into grad school?

I'm really curious on where a lot of you live. It seems near San Francisco engineers are in high demand.

I graduated with a BS in Environmental Eng, but wasn't that interested in jobs in that field. Now employed in an ME job doing custom solutions, design/prototyping, documentation, training technicians. Its interesting as fuck, schedule is laid back, get to travel. I couldn't pick a better job.

What do you guys think of chemical engineering?

>>9793822
>I have 9 years of college
God I hate people who pull this Van Wilder shit because they're so afraid of actually being an adult

>>9793871
Now you know to never work for a company.

Work for yourself.

>>9783008
So you know nothing about Finite Element or Finite Difference analysis.

>>9782772
Thinking about going from Computer Science to Mechanical Engineering? Thoughts?

I've heard you don't get any free time at all doing doing EEE at uni is that true?

How bad is the maths really?

>>9794020
Man you're fucking retarded

>>9793989
What about it? Chemical engineering is a broad field, what are you interested in? I graduated a year ago and now I'm a process engineer which is one of the more traditionally "chemical engineer" type of jobs but the people I went to school with do all kinds of stuff in different industries too.

>>9783003
this kills the mathematician

>>9783008
>I'm a mathematician, pleb
he said as he cried over his freshman year GPA and bleak career prospects

>>9793870
the film "It's A Wonderful Life" is about a man who dreamt of being and engineer and had to "settle" for running a bank.

>>9794424
from the looks of this thread, it kills the engineer too.

>>9794435
>implying anyone on /sci/ is an engineer or mathematician

>>9794444
I have a PhD in Shitpost Engineering

>>9794444
checked

So I’m starting first year uni going into chemE but I think I’d be more interested in EE. My college only offers mech and chem but I could transfer easily after the first year to one that does have EE. I figure this would be fine because first year is so entry level but is there a good resource to use to browse the content of both majors on my own so I know which to do?

>>9794444
Checked, and there is keyboard engineers and mathematicians on /sci/

friendly word of advice though, be good at what you do or you risk becoming a powerpoint engineer.

>>9794016
I have a PhD, retard. Why do you think I pointed out that I work along with people that only have an associates degree?

>>9788095

>gets high SAT scores
>goes to a really shitty university

liar liar pants on fire

>>9794635
I scored 99th percentile and went to a mediocre school. I got into better schools too, but I don't regret my decision. I liked my school a lot and I got some fat scholarships because I was national merit too.

>>9793926
that's because they were trying for rapid industrialization

>>9783012
>muh utilitarianism
nigger tier logic

>>9794475
only two engineering degrees? Fuck man that sucks, even the shit state uni I go to offers more than this and is planning to expand to more engineering degrees in the coming years.

Step up.

>>9794530
>takes 9 years to get a phd just to end up doing associate's level work
>calls me the retard

>>9795111
It’s a state uni known for being science-focused funnily enough. There are 3 “tracks” for chemE but that isn’t really significant and checking again they actually have computer engineering too but still no EE

>>9793928
Anyone?

>>9795157
I would not do ChemE unless you know you're a very competitive person, and don't mind learning mind numbing shit like excel, and VBA during your free time.

>>9794858
>I scored 99th percentile and went to a mediocre school.

You put the name of your school in your resume for all of us to see dumbass.

That's not mediocre. That's a piece of shit school you went to. You didn't get those SAT scores.

>>9795335
I see. I guess I’ll look into EE and compE then. I had wanted to do some sort of pure science major a while ago but realized the job prospects without a PhD are shit. Making a good living is more important than the difference between mild interest and moderate interest in a field imo.

>>9795357

EE is a bad choice. You'll find more jobs in ChemE.

>>9795357
From the looks of these generals for the past few weeks you'd think that finding that sort of a job is nigh impossible now. I'm in CompE myself, if you want to "pursue" your interest, I would just pick a field of science you like (or math), and double major in CS. Or just go in CS and learn about your interests in your free time.
CompE on the other hand is nice all around since you have the option of tailoring your
degree in either CS or EE.

>>9795361
Hm ok no EE then.

>>9795372
I don’t think I’m willing to double major but compE sounds nice, there are three tracks here for that too.

>>9795385
fucking hell, is the word of some stranger on the internet enough to make you decide what you want to do? If so you should definitely go to a trade school to learn some shit like welding, boilermaking etc.

>>9795415
I’m not set on anything stated yet. Obviously looking into the courses involved in the majors and the job prospectives and internship opportunities etc etc will need to happen first.

>tfw IQ on the lower 90s

>>9794435
lol fucking rekt

>>9789786
>WSU
nice

>>9795137
I never said I'm not retarded, just that you, too, are a retard.

>>9795249
No one gives a shit about undergrad research in the industry. This was already answered earlier in the thread.

You learn almost nothing useful in school to begin with. Your degree is largely just a stamp of approval that you aren't completely brain dead and that you should be able to function as an engineer. The point of undergrad research is to: a) show that you are interested in research, b) forming a professional relationship with a professor you think does something you would be interested in working on in grad school which leads to c) developing a network in academia so that when you decide to apply to grad school you won't be applying as an outsider. You won't do anything worthwhile in undergrad research. It really is just about meeting new people/developing relationships. It's the same as internships except in those you develop industry connections which, needless to say, are far more useful because academia sucks dick.

>>9795495
it looks good on your resume if you are coming from a community college. I am applying for it precisely because I hope with a current 4.0, extracurricular activities and research at Rutgers NB will lead me to getting a scholarship to pay the entire way for the BS.

>>9795495
But it's better than nothing, right? Considering internships are a given for me, I'll do two at least.

>>9795510
I really don't see coming out of community college being as big of a handicap as people make it out to be. No one seems to care as far as I can tell considering your first two years are largely filled with bullshit and elementary engineering courses.

>>9795514
If you have the time to do it then it certainly won't hurt you. If you do a half decent job and decide to apply to grad school down the line it might help you out, but it's highly unlikely to help you with employment unless the professor you work with has industry contacts (he won't).

>>9795341
I'm someone else my dude, I'm not the guy with the shitty cover letter. My score was in the 2300s and I went to the University of Houston if you really want to know.

>mechanical design engineer
>$18-$25 an hour depending on experience
>in an area where a one bedroom apartment is $1300 a month

>>9795529
Wages are depressed mostly because of immigration, and women in the workforce.

If H1B1 monkeys weren't allowed in then pay would go up.

>>9795428
do whichever one you think you will enjoy more out of the rest. It's an engineering degree, not a liberal arts ones. Apply yourself and you won't struggle in the job market. There's an anti-EE rhetoric around here saying there's no jobs when it's just not true. Seems theres more pessimism here than on >rebbit when it comes to looking for jobs.

>>9795652
I honestly don't think women entering the market makes much of a difference.

>>9795682
Not as much in the engineering labor market

>>9795666
As nice as thoroughly enjoying a major would be I have a vision and need to make decent money to attain it

>>9795755
The true horror is when you realize that everyone in engineering has just as much vision and drive as you do, but that they're all doomed to never make good on it.

>>9795768
What do you mean by never make good on it?

What's working in the Teleco industry like? Are you just a glorified Excel monkey or not? I'm considering going into that subfield.

Ya'll think it's worth taking an an upper level physics class on emag if you're an EE?

>>9795755
Right, I'm sure we all have aspirations and goals, what I'm telling you is that an engineering degree can be applied to a lot of fields and you might not end up working as an engineer. I wouldn't stress over what people post here with employment for EE, if you do some research the job market for EE is projected to grow 7% from now till 2026. Take into account alot of engineers are retiring in this 8 year window and by the time you finish you'll hopefully have made connections with people and landed internships to get your foot through the door.

IM PUTTIN A DISPENSER HERE!

>>9796321
I gotcha thanks

any cool ways an EE can get involved with in biology/healthcare?