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why do magnets attract/repel?
based on your answer, we judge what your iq is

>> No.9768007
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9768007

>because %insert arbitrary equation here%

>> No.9768011

polar regions

>> No.9768012

>>9768005
>if you don't know anything about physics it means you have a low IQ
not how that works

>> No.9768020

>>9768005
What scope of why?
Like why does electromagnetism exist?

>> No.9768111

>>9768020
Would feynmann be able to answer that scope of why?
He seemed very agitated, like he was thinking about that rather basic question and couldn't answer it, then he remembered that's maybe just his high level scope, and someone else would be satisfied with a more special treatment of why

>> No.9768132

>>9768005
Magnetism arises from the spin motion of electrons in their designated orbitals. When the spin motion of electrons align to from domains, a magnet is produced. Depending on the orientation of the domains, two specific magnets either attract or repel. It's an application of the electromagnetic force.

That's the gist of what I know.

>> No.9768135

>>9768020
No one knows, not even Feynman. We know what the basic forces are and how they propagate and interact, but not why they exist.

>> No.9768136

>>9768005
fucking magic

>> No.9768144

>>9768136
What's my IQ

>> No.9768163

>>9768005
Because magnetic fields.

>> No.9768164

negative/positive charged particles

>> No.9768166

>>9768005
no one knows

>> No.9768189

>>9768005
They just do

>> No.9768203

>>9768135
Read Bible

>> No.9768205

>>9768135
>“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you”
intelligent design obviously

>> No.9768208

>>9768005
Because God wills it so

>> No.9768215

the elctro-magnetic field (exchange of photons I think)

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>>9768215
>exchange of photons
71 IQ

>> No.9768244

>why do magnets attract/repel?

It's magic. Plain & Simple.

>> No.9768250

>>9768230
So what's the force carrier of the electro-magnetic field?

>> No.9768252

>>9768250
God's will

>> No.9768255

>>9768005
electrons are arranged to certain direction

>> No.9768257

Because spins and magnetic moments and statistical physics and shit.

>> No.9768268

>>9768230
whats the problem fag ?

>> No.9768269

>>9768268
>not gluons

>> No.9768274

Because God wills it

IQ= _ _ _ ?

>> No.9768290

>>9768274
666

>> No.9768294

>>9768005
Because the magnetic fields of both magnets want to align with each other as much as possible

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>>9768005
Because my aunt slipped on ice..

But really nothing is being "attracted" or "repelled", it's a pressure mediation. A magnet is nothing other than a coherent dielectric object.

>> No.9769633 [DELETED] 

If you really think about the arrangement of electrons for atoms and molecules, you really can't exaplain why only certain arrangements are allowed. The early universe must have been a place whete these restrictions didn't exist, where oxygen binding with hydrogen eould be just as likely aa binding with every metal simultaneously, a hot dense warm soup.
It begs what the goal of quantum knowledge may be, when the origin of quantum knowledge merely asked why molecular arrangements are altered by the simple application of hot or cold temperature.
It begs the question, what is temperature? What is the carrier of energy in the medium between atoms and between electrons? What function of "applying energy" to a molecule actually alters the molecule? Does the molecule not remain the same molecule both before and once energy is supplied to it? Why do the bonds break where they do? Why do the bonds form where they do?

A perfect machine will be able to create any arbitrary combination of atoms into a molecule.

>> No.9769655

>>9768005
cause my fields and shit and energy and all that mufugga

>> No.9769706

>>9768005
because they're not gay

>> No.9769718

>>9769597
>>>/x/

>> No.9769721

>>9768005
Question is to vague. Please reformat.

>> No.9769724

>>9768007
123
>>9768011
116
>>9768111
137
>>9768136
85
>>9768163
109
>>9768164
102
>>9768166
97
>>9768189
93
>>9768208
86
>>9768215
113
>>9768255
117
>>9768294
103
>>9769597
121
>>9769655
109
>>9769706
155

>> No.9769726

>>9769724


>>9768132 is 137
not >>9768111
misclicked

>> No.9769735

>>9768005
It's a way God found to confuse niggers so we can laugh at them.

>> No.9769746

>>9768005
Gravity.

>> No.9769804

>>9768005
>why do magnets attract/repel?
because they want to move to the lower energy configuration

>> No.9769861

Because coloumb said so

>> No.9769864

The electromagnetic force

>> No.9769941

>>9769718
>look mom I posted it again

I think you mean "yikes".

>>9769724
THE NUMBERS MASON.

>> No.9769974

because god wills it

>> No.9770509

>>9768203
>goats & violence
holy kek

>> No.9771827

Because little tiny men come out of the male side of the magnet meet with the tiny women from female side and together they pull both sides toward each other.

>> No.9771895

>>9768005
God is the reason magnets attract/repel

>> No.9771900

>>9771895
165+

>> No.9772109

>>9768005
>Fucking magnets, how do they work?
You could answer it at different levels.
I'm not a physicist, so I'm just going to say it's ions aligned in one direction.
Do I get a cookie?

>> No.9772299

((())) ) ) ) ( ( ( ((()))

>> No.9772303

Because i want

>> No.9772363

>>9768005
if a girl magnet and a boy magnet, they attract each other
if a boy magnet and another boy magnet meet, they repel each other because that's fucking gay
you can turn asexual people into girls/boys via electroshock therapy, and they will attract/repel other people.
also it's important to note that boy magnets that dress like girls magnets are not gay at all.
it's so fucking easy you literal brainlet

>> No.9772368

>>9768005
Because their resulting field vector are in either in opposite directions (repel) or in the same direction (attract).
This is a result of the alignment of the electric fields produced by the electrons withing the magnetic material.

>> No.9772376

it's science, bitch
did you know that magnets can both repel and attract each other, depending on their polarity? God I'm such a nerd lol. Watched Wayyyy too much rick and morty and TBBT lol

>> No.9772378

>>9769804
Inanimate, mindless objects want things.
Kys namefagging retard.

>> No.9772389

>>9768005
>>9768005

scoff isnt it obvious

>> No.9772432

>>9772109
>Ions aligned in one direction.
90
>>9772299
>Only explained how they repel and very poorly
85
>>>9772376
50 for being a retarded ironic poster
>>9769864
115
>>9769804
60
>>9769974
-120

>> No.9772448

>>9772432
Reported for being a number station bot.

>> No.9772462 [DELETED] 
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9772462

Aetheric toroidal vortex. Yes, magnetic fields do contain angular momentum. Look it up brainlets. They can only couple(attract) when the direction of spin is in the same direction. Nature is so elegant yet so many geniuses can't see what is plainly in front of them.

>> No.9772475

Answer depends on whether you are talking about permanent magnets or electromagnets (temporary). The magnetic field of the material that makes up the magnet is aligned based on different physical forces.

>> No.9772507 [DELETED] 
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9772507

WARNING: this is forbidden etheric knowledge:

At the most fundamental level, magnetism is a vortex in the luminiferous ether. Every atom has an aetheric vortex (with angular momentum) which combines with its neighbors when aligned properly. The aetheric vortex will couple (attract) with another vortex only when they spin in the same direction. Two vortices spinning in different directions will resist(repel) each other. Yes, nature is that simple.

The aether is also responsible for nuclear and gravity but they take on different dynamic structures. Nikola Tesla understood these principles. Einstein helped censor it from the public.

>> No.9772536

>>9772507
>>>/x/

>> No.9772561

>>9772536

You have two options:

1.) atomic model where the nucleus is surrounded by empty space with metaphysical electrons zipping around.

2.) atomic model where the nucleus is surrounded by a fine medium(aether). The interaction between the nucleus and the medium results in what is known as electrons and other dynamics.

Choose wisely.

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>>9772507
>Einstein helped censor it from the public.

Elaborate please...

>> No.9772622

>>9768005
Because electrons exist

>> No.9772632

>>9768005
Electrons have an inherent electric charge and an inherent spin.
Spinning charges create a magnetic field.
Normally all the spins are oriented randomly, so they cancel out, but if a magnetic field is applied to a material, they can align and the combination of the magnetic fields will be large.
In a ferromagnetic material, they be 'frozen in', so they will still be aligned after the magnetic field is removed, so the material will be semi-permanently magnetic.
Can't remember how they are frozen in.
Then, two magnets will attract due to the magnetic force from their opposing magnetic fields.
Don't know the mechanism that makes the magnetic attraction work.

>> No.9772639

He basically explained to you brainlets why it will never be possible to know the answer to every why question. It is because the rabbit hole, quite possibly, has no bottom

>> No.9772681

>>9772561
You have one option:

>>>/x/

>> No.9772683

>>9772565
Here is a very simple question: do you believe all of the details to the atom bomb are fully disclosed to the public? Why not?

Electromagnetism, nuclear and gravity all share one thing in common; the luminiferous ether. It is the one component that unifies all of the forces and doesn't require metaphysics.

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>>9772683
God I seriously needs to stop falling for these posts

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9772687

fucken magnets

>> No.9772690

>>9772683
>ether
Too obvious

>> No.9772692

>>9772683
170

>> No.9772694

>>9772432
>>Ions aligned in one direction.
>90

You've hurt my fragile ego.

>> No.9772697

>>9772686
Nature is extremely consistent. Many of the dynamics observed at the galactic scale can also be found at the quantum and sub-quantum scales. If you want to understand the luminiferous ether, look no further than pilot wave theory. Here is a visual example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIyTZDHuarQ

>> No.9772707

>>9772683
>Here is a very simple question: do you believe all of the details to the atom bomb are fully disclosed to the public? Why not?

No. 1. obviously because the military industrial complex doesn't like revealing trade secrets. 2.I wasn't doubting you, and yes I know that Einstein really didn't do shit when it came to the invention of the atomic bomb.

>>9772639
>He basically explained to you brainlets why it will never be possible to know the answer to every why question. It is because the rabbit hole, quite possibly, has no bottom.

Which could have been simply stated as "I don't know", but instead he goes off on a 4 minute word blending of "I don't know" to make himself look intelligent.

>> No.9772714

>>9772707
2/2
3. Einstein and his theory was the censor itself even if he didn't know it.

>> No.9772719

>>9768005
Intrinsic property

>> No.9772720

it lowers the energy

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9772722

>>9772639
> It is because the rabbit hole, quite possibly, has no bottom

We don't need to go all the way to the bottom. Just deep enough to attain mastery over matter, energy, and consequently..propulsion.

>> No.9772730

>>9772722
You're mistaken. You can propel yourself around the universe, but once you've cleared that hurdle there is the next one waiting for you right behind it, until you've reached the ultimate one, the end of the universe itself. That is not to say we would have to go all the way to the bottom to clear that one as well (a clear impossibility, as there is no bottom) but possibly deeper than it is possible for us to go. That said, there is only one way to find out.

>> No.9772758

>>9772730
Last time I checked, common space travel is not available for the average person. We still use combustible liquid for energy and propulsion. Mastery over matter, energy, and propulsion is all I care about. These 3 are realistic and obtainable goals under the aether model. Even faster-than-light travel is possible without bending "space-time"(Einstein bullshit) since aether itself can act as the fuel and propellant.

>> No.9772769

>>9772758
That's what you say now. But it is undeniably a stepping stone to solving all of the other problems we will want to solve in the distant future, so it is good you're concerned with it.

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9773233

>op asks "why" they behave the way they do
>Everybody answers with explanations as to how the behave

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>>9768005
Put a ball in the middle of a table. What do you see? The table dips down around the ball, and the ball falls in. That is magnetism.

>> No.9774858

>>9773317
>Put a ball in the middle of a table.
My table bulged out and the ball shot into the ceiling.

>> No.9775092

>>9768005
because of magnetic fields?

>> No.9775497

>>9768205
>>9768203
Yes, let's believe in an all powerful person who has no evidence of existing because a book written by people hundreds of years ago said so.

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>>9768252
God's *plan

>> No.9775689

>>9768005
because they dont like each other

>> No.9775698

>>9775685
gib iq pls

>> No.9775700

>>9775698
122

>> No.9775702

>>9772432
>i dont liek u
>u hav bad iq

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9775734

y'all motherfuckin' lyin'
and gettin' me pissed.

>> No.9775817

>>9768005
>why do magnets attract/repel?

Magic.

>> No.9775823

>>9768005
>Y'all motherfuckers lying and getting me pissed.

FTFY

Also, OP, the answer is miracles.

>> No.9775830

>>9768005
>why do magnets attract/repel?
Do they?

>> No.9775919

Attracting or repelling brings them to a lower energy state. Same reason a ball falls when you drop it. If the same poles were to be brought near eachother a large energy potential would be built up between them, you would have to do work.

>> No.9775925

>>9775919
no it deosnt bring them to a lower energy state.
THE HAMOLTONIAN IS CONSTANT.

>> No.9775932

>>9775925
I have a first year physics understanding of classical mechanics and my understanding of quantum essentially consists of normalizing wavefunctions and finding energy levels of the hydrogen atom.

Could you point me into a good source to learn about the Hamiltonian? I'm reading the wikipedia article now,

>> No.9775936

>>9775932
>into a good source to learn about the Hamiltonian
Landau Lipschitz, book one

>> No.9775939

>>9775932
essentially the hamiltonian is kinetic energy plus the potential energy (not in the general case but you get the idea.)
in the general case the hamiltonian is the legendre transformed thingy of the lagrangian.

hamiltonian operator in quantum mechanics gives you the eigenvalue of the energy of the system

>> No.9775944

>>9775939
So when I bring two same-poled magnets closer in space, the hamiltonian is constant? I get no increase in potential energy?

Also I knew eigenvalues were gonna show up again somewhere. I liked linear algebra a lot but my instructor never seemed to care about the applications besides solving for mixing problems in the first chapter.

>> No.9775952

>>9775944
I get no increase in potential energy?
If youre applying an external force, the hamiltonian is not constant, the energy is not constant.

for a closed system the hamiltonian is constant, which is to say: the potential energy increases when they are brought together by their kinetic energy (impulse), but the kinetic energy decreases by the same amount. if the kinetic energy is at zero, the potential will make the thing move backwards. but the total energy is constant when you dont apply a force.

essentially i was nitpicking your statement which was correct if you apply force you change the total energy

>> No.9775960

>>9768005

negative ions repel positive ions

geology 101

>> No.9775964

>>9775960
thats electrostatics, not magnetostatics.
geology isnt physics.

>> No.9775979

>>9768005
My IQ is so high that I wouldn't share the truth with /sci/.

>> No.9776016

>>9775952
I understand what you mean. But I think my answer is still correct, like-poled magnets will repel because bringing them closer increases the potential energy. That is why they repel. I think it's a sufficient answer, as long as you don't ask "why does the energy increase" because then they'll just keep asking "why this why that" like a 3 year old.

>> No.9776115 [DELETED] 

Because they are vortexes in the luminiferous ether. One side of the vortex is the "north pole" while the other side is the "south pole". Vortexes spinning in the same direction will couple (attract) to each other. If they spin in opposite directions, they repel. Nature is elegant and doesn't require you to be a mathematician to understand.

>> No.9776137

A magnetic field is a vortex spinning in a medium (the luminiferous ether). One side of the vortex is the "north pole" while the other side is the "south pole". Vortices spinning in the same direction will couple (attract) to each other. If two vortices spin in opposite directions, they repel. Nature is elegant and doesn't require you to be a mathematician to understand.

>> No.9776138

>>9769724
92

>> No.9776272

>>9775964

shutup nerd

>> No.9776374

>>9775497
>this is illogical
>but a universe in which all conditions align perfectly for us to exist at the right moment in time that literally sprouted from nothing is not

>> No.9776398

>>9776374
>how big is the universe
>what is statistics

>> No.9776454

>>9769726
71

>> No.9776467

>implying magnets exist

>> No.9776542

From a rest frame outside each magnet, the magnetic field from one acts on the "currents" that are flowing in the surface of the magnet it changes the drift speed of the electrons, but these are forced by the electric field to mantain their averahe velocity so it results in an overall drag. The same with one on the other.

>> No.9776594

>>9768005
The same reason why elastic bands pull together when you stretch them.

>> No.9778216

Something, something... motion happens to preserve a symmetry of nature, something.

>> No.9778227

>>9768005
because they make something with electrons flow? :DD what do i get?

>> No.9778236

>>9775979
103

>> No.9778242

>>9768005
because the magnets actually just attract or repel the air it is in contact with
the resulting vacuum pushes the fagnets together
that's why magnetism doesn't work in space

>> No.9778468

>>9772683
actually rolled my eyes irl

>> No.9778935

https://etherealmatters.org/book/theory/major-postulations-structured-atom-model

>> No.9779283

The ying yang, everything is attracting and being attracted.