/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9752486
Your link to timeline of the future has india surpassing the US to become the world's leading economic power. If the author cannot see why that could never happen then every prediction they make is useless.

>>9753155
>designated

>>9752486
How do we stop the possibility of abusing transhuman technology?

>>9752486
>>>/x/

>>9754513
Human Augmentation is real and not a pseudo-science. For example: glasses.
Transhumanism itself is not scientific because it is just a worldview, nothing more. But the technology that are discussed by transhuamnists is partly already here and may come to be in the future.

>>9754513
>not knowing the latest trends in scientific research
>not knowing the current technology and their capabilities
>not knowing DARPA

>>9752486
I posted the first OP, I didn't actually think it would catch on. Glad it did though.

>>9754513
>He doesn't keep up-to-date with the science of the past two decades.

>>9754506
Christian Transhumanism is the path.

>>9754595
Thanks OP, lets keep this alive.

>>9754603
I head about mormon transhumanism tho.

>>9754617
>Thanks OP, lets keep this alive.
I'll make it a minor mission of mine, now that I know others are willing to OP if needs be.

>>9754506
Good question, I certainly hope you don't think there will be a magical solution in the future just like nobody even talks about the current and very real human growth hormone black market among the rich.

I want real life anthros. Make it happen.

>>9754506
We can worry about such questions when the possibilities and problems arise. For now, we can't let possible negligent usage of technology stop us from creating it.

>>9754659
No, jiff in hell.

>>9754664
>We can worry about such questions when the possibilities and problems arise.
That's a terrible idea. By the time the problems arise it will be too late to create a robust ethical framework to guide our usage of such technology. What exactly is your plan? To write up your thesis while you're already laboring under the boot of the technocrats who control the surveillance and weaponized drones that eliminate dissenters? I don't think you've thought this through.

Historically tyrants could be brought down by people because they fundamentally depended on other people to execute their commands. When the first tyrant who controls people through autonomous weaponized drones and other technology arises there will be no hope of rebelling. They'll control everything and can easily enforce their rule through the absolute control they'll have over the technology used to enslave the masses.

>>9754659
No, that's fucking creepy.

>>9752486
>http://orionsarm.com/
Ah, I see you are a transapient of culture and taste as well.

>>9752486
>scientific rigor
funny joke op, we all know there's no scientific basis to transhumanist claims

>>9755100
Perhaps you should go and do some actual research.
Baiting trolls on /sci/ have really decreased in quality.

>>9755130
This. The OP even links to actual research. damn, the OP image is from actual research.

>>9755207
I mean, they don't even check the OP, or the thread, just post.

>>9754671
I am sorry to say I agree with you, and I say sorry because I've seen examples of what you said. Having patent trolls hoarding patents for biological targets is a horrendous practice that should be stopped. And that is just a small part of the barriers to progress, because as we know big pharma can block or buy off new avenues of research, or just leave you without funding.

>>9753155
I'd say it is more likely that it'll be China.

/wsr/ing that pic where it's a doctor, neuroscientist, computer scientist and """""transhumanist""""" talking about their jobs.

>>9755283
This is the transhumanology, not transhumanist general.
Please see the OP for the definition of a transhumanologist.
We are aware the philosophy of transhumanism lacks rigour.

>>9752486
Autosentience: How do we achieve it? What's to expect from it?

>>9755130
>>9755207
>>9755218
More effective treatment of certain conditions, better machines and new performance-enhancing drugs have been going on for at least a hundred years so calling them transhumanism is retarded. Might as well call the invention of tools or vaccines transhumanistic.

The actual transhumanist technologies – truly paradigm-changing shit like biological or technological immportality, mind-uploading, space colonization – is simply not feasible. It's a mythology of technology fueled by the same sort of wishful thinking that fuels religious the religious fantasies of heaven, the rapture and armageddon.

>>9755404
Implying that transhumanism is about fictional technology is implying you can speak for all transhumanists. Also your whole second paragraph is far beyond biased.

>>9755404
>Changing the goalposts.
Also, space colonization is very plausible, certainly within our solar system, which would tide us over for a couple of billion years.
Which in itself, even if we were traveling slowly would give us enough time to easily reach our nearest solar neighbour.
As for biological immortality, that's also a very real prospect, considering it already exists in nature.
The only one I have doubts about it mind-uploading.

>>9755404
I'd like to add, you should make yourself more informed before attempting to sound like an authority on anything.

>>9755404
We get it, you don't like transhumanism. Stop shitposting and leave this thread.

Are there genes for intelligence and if so could we increase a babies intelligence by engineering its DNA?

>>9755430
There's some nice studies on Nature, but 4chan's retarded spam filter wont let me post them.

>>9755430
But studying genetics related intelligence is a big no-no :^)

>>9755441
Just cut it in three pieces and I will assemble it myself.

>>9755443
Why? Stuff like Eidetic memories or learning abilities are related to genetics and by learning their interaction we can understand them better.

>>9755445
Lol, I can't even post the very end of the URLs.
4chan is committed to being fucking awful.

>>9755411
>>Changing the goalposts.
Said the pot to the kettle. The OP pic lists fucking B-vitamins, quercetin and green tea as transhumanistic because they can give you more energy if you drink them. Might as well call coffee transhumanistic then.
Transhumanists are desperate for credibility so they take actually viable but only mildly beneficial breakthroughs and call them transhumanistic if they're even somewhat related to the actually transhumanistic technologies. By the standards of transhumanists, you could call the invention of the shovel "transhumanistic" because it allowed us to dig more efficiently than we could using just our human bodies.

>>9754710

You think people are going to go transhuman in just the ways you like?

>>9755469
>And no counter points were made.
Why do I even bother to argue on 4chan? I win within the first 5 minutes anyway.

>>9755470
Yes, that's what private militias are for.

>>9755472
>>And no counter points were made.
Nor were any made by you. All you did was reply to my claims that those technologies aren't viable with claims that they are viable.

>>9755479
He is right though, you made no arguments. You sound pretty pseudoscientific when you sperg.

>>9755479
Because you were wrong, I mean, biological immortality literally exists within nature and we already know many of the causes of aging within humans and are working on technologies to combat them.
And by biological immortality, I'm assuming you mean "not dying from old age", as you can't as easily assure against violent, or accidental death.

>>9755477

Its a furry future, my friend.

>>9755487
>He is right though, you made no arguments
neither did he
>>9755488
>I mean, biological immortality literally exists within nature
that it exists in nature (inspecies which are radically different from humans and evolved to be capable of it) doesn't mean it can be engineered by us or that it would even work with humans.
>we already know many of the causes of aging within humans and are working on technologies to combat them
"We're working on it" doesn't translate into "we can actually do it". People worked on perpetual motion machines for centuries.

>>9755514
>that it exists in nature (inspecies which are radically different from humans and evolved to be capable of it) doesn't mean it can be engineered by us or that it would even work with humans.
We can already extent the lifespans of mice, considerably and they aren't, by nature, meant to live as long as those who receive the therapy do.
>"We're working on it" doesn't translate into "we can actually do it".
But it equally doesn't translate into:
>Totally super duper unfeasible.
Guess we're moving the goalposts, yet again.
>People worked on perpetual motion machines for centuries.
See above, we've already shown some measure of competency, which means the comparison to perpetual motion machines is completely unfounded.
Why're you even trying? You lost several posts back.

>>9755455
Thanks. Very interesting.

>>9755469
Transhumanism does start small, to understand the nature of the human body with the idea of improving it, is part of tranhumanistic thought.

>>9755443
>>9755449
is it because asians and whites are smarter and research would upset others?

>>9755544
Glad you enjoyed them. The gestalt being that intelligence is more genetic than environmental, but environment does play some role.

No transhumanism!

People, not toasters!

>>9755552
There are also some genetics responsible for increased learning capability. That was the answer to my first question to my first question.

>>9755657
Transhumanism isn't a synonym of cybernetics.

>>9754603
top kek

>>9755430
Genes only makes up to 5% of your intelligence.
Your environnement makes the 95% left.
Of course poltard will counter actual researches with shit from infowars or by calling the researchers jews. It's getting boring.

>Turning troops into basedboys will help them with bloodloss

>>9755283
I've got it somewhere on my computer. Take this while I search.

>>9755283
Aight m8, here we go.

I don't think Futuretimeline should be on here. Same with Orionsarm. The first seems a bit unrealistic and the second seems to put more effort in what's going down thousands of years down the line, not caring so much about the now.

>>9755841
Or, you know, from actual papers like this: >>9755455
Which already counters that and shows that genetics is more significant than environment.

>>9755841
Which is also evidenced by the fact you can't manufacture geniuses through social engineering.

>>9756277
this meme is too personal

>>9756563
Just ignore them, anon, a meme isn't a substitute for an argument.

>>9752486
still stupid as shit

all modern "transhumanism" is grabbing at small adhoc things

real transhumanism is first starting with a goal and engineering life from the ground up. not just trying to get more out of a old skyline

that's how you break shit

make humans biochemically more efficient, massively resistant to mutation while being more geneticalyl diverse with a smaller genetic impact

reduce the common toxic compounds that are ubquitous by changing biochemistry like HS, CO, CO2, H2S, As etc etc

improve cells and tissues resistance to pressure and desiccation as well as thermal and other radiation type effects

increase ability to alter metabolism on both the extremes as well as fine tuning

increase efficiency and strength of mobilty

greatly increase cognition so we can actually absorb alot more stimulous

Increase speed of existing logic all increase the functioning problem solving and creative areas of the brain

>>9754506
abuses in transhumanism will lead to massive scale genocide. look what we did to out hominid brothers

it has to be a measure for 1 new human genotype for whatever we make,

! big thing if you can't got full trans-humanist and get all eugenetic and exogenetic alterations human fertility and inheritance must be protected.

If you can't breed with a genetically alter human, if they consume food made by humans and directly compete with humans, they are a competing top predator. competing top predators get slaughter by the human masses by nature of how we exist

>>9756277
lmao md is a fucking manlet
engineer plows ai researcher because of his superior height and frame

>>9756405
Both aren't scientific Websites, so I agree, futuretimline has a good News stand but that's it.

>>9756790
Perhaps section it off as a "transhumanist influence", without it being "rigorous" thus advise caution?

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>>9754589
>>9754596
>>9754523
t. Samefag

>>9757124
Nah, I'm >9754523 poster, there others aren't from me. Do you disagree with the points? And if so, what do you disagree about?

>>9754659
Catgrils when?

https://youtu.be/9CO6M2HsoIA

Daily reminder that this WILL happen within our lifetimes. There's no escape.

>>9757547
Obviously this would be countered by drone hunting drones. Not that it's fun to look forward to.

With all this fascination with antromorphs something tells me the first funding for genetic mods will come from there.

>>9752486
Transhumanism is illegal because it violates the sanctity of man.

>>9757588
>the sanctity of man.
No such thing.
""Morals"" have set back science.

>>9757605
>""Morals"" have set back science.
Even atheists agree that the only thing that should ever guide the progress of science are moral commitments first and foremost, weren't you required to take an ethics course, or are you Chinese or something?

>>9757588
>sanctity of man
>what are prosthetics
>what are drugs

>>9757588
Illegal implies enforcement, so we'll just conduct all our research in China.
There, we just sidestepped your silly morals.

>>9757679
>implying once the State Dept and relevant academic board knew your intentions your passport wouldn't be revoked, or you'd be denied reentry, or you wouldn't have access to grants needed to fund your trip to China.

>>9757688
Just make the move before you start publishing anything, China would pump plenty of funds into it.

>>9757644
This

>>9757697

Then he would have to deal with working with the Chinese people and government, ie pure suffering.

>>9757704
The Chinese are a lovely people, learn Mandarin today!

>>9757612
Ethics are fucking gay, dude. They're stopping things like catgirls, drug advancements and überorgasms.

>>9755488
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4414831/
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Molecular-weight-groups-of-hyaluronan-HA-in-humans-and-the-naked-mole-rat-HA-can-be_fig4_320283693

I want to get gene transplants from naked mole rats

>>9757715
I just hope Aubrey de Grey follows through on his promise and we live to see our 1000th year birthdays.

>>9757723
He looks like he's about to die, like next year.

>>9757738
He's only 55.

>>9756568
You don't argue against a joke, you laugh at it.

>>9757761
You do if you're a high-functioning autistic, you mock the neurotypical with sheer derision for being at a lesser stage of human evolution.

>>9757754
I would have guessed 75.

>>9757787
Ouch.

>>9752486
Predictions on when AI will exceed human intelligence

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.08807.pdf

>>9757803
More AI predictions

>>9752486
What does /sci/ think of Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How?

>>9757803
>>9757807
Good, then I can retire and follow my true passion:
Bakery.

>>9757815
You can't stop technology

>>9757815
It wont work, people enjoy comfort and convenience too much.

>>9757815
He was smarter than every one of you.

>>9757825
Then why has he been caught?

>>9757821
What's that you say? Sounds like blasphemy.

>>9757825
Nice appeal to emotion.

>>9752486
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryos-edited-in-us/
How far are we with gene editing? Could we already genetic engineer a human to have all talents a human can have?

>>9757837
Stating a fact isn't an appeal to emotion.

>>9757861
It is when stated with that implication, also that isn't necessarily true.

>>9757860
Well, first of all, you would need to hope genes associated with EVERY talent exists in the first place.
Then you would need to locate all of those genes associated with all of those talents.

>>9757860
the fuck do i care about embryos

i want mine genome to be fully redacted

>>9758065
Wait for retroviruse.

>>9757868
For there not to be any genes associated with a talent, all alleles of every gene would need to have IDENTICAL probabilities of having a certain talent.
https://www.unz.com/jman/all-human-behavioral-traits-are-heritable/
https://www.unz.com/jman/the-five-laws-of-behavioral-genetics/

>>9757860
>implying the theory of forms has any basis in practical biology

So what are limits of genetic manipulation? What could you do and not do? Like what's the most far out thing you could realistically do?

>>9758291
An interesting read, thank you.

>>9758715
fix ur mum

>>9758715
nothing spectacular, youre already a grown up.
maybe lessen chance of age related diseases and improve athleticism, probably wont make you smarter though

>>9758715
The creation of neogen by creating XNA

>>9758291
>Remember, genes are NOT blueprints. This means you can't, for example, insert "the genes for an elephant's trunk" into a giraffe and get a giraffe with a trunk. There are no genes for trunks. What you can do with genes is chemistry, since DNA codes for chemicals. For instance, we can in theory splice the native plants' talent for nitrogen fixation into a terran plant.

>>9754603
Only the ignorant put a limit on knowledge. Technology is of man and man is holy. All that we create brings us closer to Point Omega. Knowledge stretches us beyond the Demiruge's prison of air and stone.
The universe is fated to ascend towards a final point of divine unification

>>9754506
Aren't ethics just a hindrance to progress tho? I mean as long as it doesn't affect me I don't care.

>>9758887
Have fun getting brainwashed.

>>9758887
Define progress.
Are ethics a hinderance to technological progress? Yes and no, society may deem some technology evil but only in a ethical society you can research your technology without the fear of it being stolen. A society that values morality is also a lot more stable and thus have a indirect influence on progress.
The key is gradual implementation and elucidation of the technology that one is developing.

transhumanism is just rebranded scientism, which is just rebranded positivism

>wake up, sheeples

>>9758918
Transhumanism is actually a sub-type of futurism but became it's main group.

>>9758921
Still. All of the "questions" people try to "answer" have been long debated since the 19th century. Nothing new under the sun.

Do you really believe that, now, you will be able to "answer" to these "ethical questions" ?

Hint : you can't, because these are not logical problems, but just matter of belief.

Discussing transhumanism is the most pointless shit you could possibly do. >>9756277 is right.

>>9758936
4chan is not a scientific website and as such he level of discourse is limited but I had the question if you could engineer genes so that a new born's learning capability is increased and I got an answer >>9755455.
There is new research ongong and you can discuss it with others. People from the 19th century had no idea of nanotechnology and CRISPR.
>answer" to these "ethical questions"
I can try, and you can give me your points. That's the nature of discourse. What are your issues? Do you think that a mind transfer is possible?

>>9752486
How far will we be in human augmentation and artificial intelligence in 20, 50,100 and 200 years?

>>9758699
What has Plato to do with genetics?

>>9758983
We will be 200 years closer

>>9752486
What sub-groups of transhumanism does exist?

>>9758918
But that's cool though.

>>9758886
>teilhardchardin.png
Thanks for reminding me of him.

>>9757815
>But when all people have become useless, self-prop systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone. The techies themselves insist that machines will soon surpass humans in intelligence. When that happens, people will be superfluous and natural selection will favor systems that eliminate them-if not abruptly, then in a series of stages so that the risk of rebellion will be minimized.
>Even though the technological world-system still needs large numbers of people for the present, there are now more superfluous humans than there have been in the past because technology has replaced people in many jobs and is making inroads even into occupations formerly thought to require human intelligence. Consequently, under the pressure of economic competition, the world's dominant self-prop systems are already allowing a certain degree of callousness to creep into their treatment of superfluous individuals. In the United States and Europe, pensions and other benefits for retired, disabled, unemployed, and other unproductive persons are being substantially reduced; at least in the U.S., poverty is increasing; and these facts may well indicate the general trend of the future, though there will doubtless be ups and downs.

>>9759020
https://intelligence.org/2007/09/30/three-major-singularity-schools/

>>9759020
I probably won't get all. Biohackers can be considered the fastest growing as we have an increasing amount of scientists experimenting with themselves. Singularitarians and extropians are some of the far end philosophically speaking who think more in terms of purely theoretical technology or far implications. A more grounded and really interesting group are the grinders, cool kids who make cyborg out of themselves with the technology of today like Leph Anonym, and believe me when I say they are highly underrated. Futurists are not an actual offshoot but more like transhumanists are the offshoots themselves, they are all about thinking the future and the implications of current and theoretical technology. Life extensionists are the ones focused with prolonging life and you probably heard of Aubrey de Grey.

>>9758715
The line between genetic and nanotech will bome nill if it gets molecular.

>>9758999
to what?

>>9756405
Orion's Arm page about Wormholes and Magmatter is quite extensively researched.

>>9755657
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A good if outdated book about the possibility of the future.

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>>9753184
>NO DO NOT BE RACIST OF 4CHAN
#LOVENOTHATE
#WOMENSLIBERATION
#BLACKPOWER
#K1LLTHEB0ER

MODS PERMABAN HIM

>>9754659
Not that you care, but plural ends with -oes.

>>9757723
Didn't we already?

>>9754506
Laws

>>9756277
this meme is 100% true lmao

How long until cognitive technologies become profitable?

>>9758918
Positivism (empirism) has nothing to do with scientism (naturalism), retard.

>>9761777
What do you mean with cognitive technologies?

>>9762513
I keep seeing HRL Technologies in the news http://www.newsweek.com/darpa-device-boosts-learning-brain-connections-692693

I've read out there russian cosmism inspired transhumanism. Any example of their literature you guys know?

>>9758918
If you consider this logic valid, then you MUST concede that.
Science is just rebranded natural philosophy, which is why rebranded ontology and ontology is just rebranded religion, therefore science is a religion.
Checkmate, atheist.

>>9754506
>How do we stop futureniggers from abusing firepowder propelled projectile launchers
You ethicsfags make me laugh

>>9757296
>Tfw i will clone a cute high IQ catgirl to raise a family with
Oh fuug, cant wait to pat her head

>>9758887
You have clearly never dealt with a nihilist. Ethics are natural boundaries to stave off destructive chaos, which MAKES progress possible

>>9759588
> You may say, it is impossible for a man to become like the Machine. And I would reply, that only the smallest mind strives to comprehend its limits.
What did it mean be this

Remember not to put all your eggs on AI.

What do you think the first augmentations will/would be? You have small genetic tweaks but what about the more mechanical side of things.

Technology has a ceiling. I hive us about 200 years of discovering new ship or imptiving stuff. The singularity has nothing to do.

>>9765573
Cybernetic Prosthetics already exist.

>>9765573
Expect cures to genetic diseases to be the first, followed by small cosmetic improvements.

Genetic editing in somatic hosts is hard, probably birth defects and development illnesses that can be cured will be among the firsts, followed by age related diseases.

Once someone makes a cosmetic improvement expect things to go fast.

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>>9752486
You'll die unless you count a brain in a jar as transhuman

>>9767188
>brain in a jar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBVCi0PmW24

Are furries the future?

>>9768850
No. But tentacle porn is.

>>9757807
Well Go was beaten right? Decade ahead of schedule

>>9757807
>>9770368
What!?

>>9768850
In the future, the brief spark of individualism we've had will fade away, and you'll be what society needs you to be.
The idea of customizing yourself to that level will be forbidden.

>>9754506
You don't. Since we live in Clownistan, you can bet your bottom dollar that the literal worst person possible will get their hands on the rights to this, close it up using intellectual property claims and other litigation, and then fuck the whole technology up in the dumbest way possible.

>>9771963
>Resistance is futile

>>9754506
nerve-staple those who consider abusing it

alright, I have an idea for an implant. it checks for current flow in a muscle and multiplies it. other than the fact that it would have to be only partially subdermal, why would this not work?

>>9773688
Why do you want to shock yourself with current or is this a prototype? If you are testing then sounds good, I can imagine some applications to it.

>>9754506
>>9773127
Based SMAC posters.

>>9774283
>Why do you want to shock yourself with current
To make muscles move, duh
I was hoping to make muscles move more than normal, but that may very well not happen. It would certainly help with reducing muscle fatigue though.
>is this a prototype?
Not yet. I've barely just moved into the planning phase. My current idea is to implant 2 prongs just above the skin to measure and send electricity and have a a piece above the skin to hold the charge and apply it to the muscles.
An issue I'm already seeing is the possiblility for charge to multiply exponentially, so I may need either 2 prongs or for some slightly more advanced system where I stop the current for a second, measure and restart the current.

/sci/ is dead

>>9775001
/g/ too. Somebody said is holiday on america or something and americans are not around today.

>>9754506
In my opinion, through technology and or education. The threat you speak of comes from lack of foresight or not being able to relate to each others subjective experience, in other words, "you dont understand muh struggle". to bypass that we need a new technology.

If the threat is general AI then I see no possible prevention, nor do I see a reason why we should stop it.

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>>9775001
How do we revive it?

>>9777120
>Ban pepe/wojak posting, *snap*-posting and all kind of cancerous crossboarder memes on sight.
>Delete threads with the following topics: flat earth, consciousness, /x/-related, race, IQ and IQ vs race, coding and anything not math or science related (except study methods and textbook recommendation threads, these are rad when done right)
>Using unrelated pics to bait posters into stupid threads, /b/ style (i.e. >>>97754250)
>Filter the word "brainlet"

Easy steps, but we all know our current mods appeal to /pol/acks and /v/ermin.

>>9777749
(i.e >>>9775425)

>>9777749
I agree with most of that but wojak did nothing wrong.

>>9775001
/tg/ is better in /sci/ than /sci/ is in /sci/

>>9777749
>Wanting more restrictions
This is exactly what this website is against. Fuck off.

>>9754506
You kind of just have to accept that it will be abused since during the early adoption periods for all of this stuff it will be exceptionally difficult to fully regulate everything without halting progress on these technologies altogether. You can try to regulate things in advance, and there's some good to be done by doing that, but there will always be things that you can't anticipate and that you just have to react to.

You just have to hope that any abuses that do happen are small in scale and are discovered quickly so that they can be prevented going forward and that the large scale abuses people write novels about never happen.

>>9757803
This is kind of silly since there are predictions on here that are saying AI will match humanity in less than 15 years, not to mention the one that says AI is at 80% efficiency right fucking now.

They should discard the obviously delusional shit really.

>>9771169
>>9770368
That happened literally years ago now. It's so passe that the bar has gone down from "anyone making an AI that can do it" to "people in china making an AI that can do it"

>>9768850
You bet your ass, omae

>>9771963
>implying any of the runners in that picture are remotely street legal
lmao

>>9777749
This is exactly what we need.

>>9778509
I've been on /sci/ since 2011, trust me, the content is exponentially declining with reddit tier images and shitposting. There was a time when there would be walls of text of science from people you would call geniuses. You have to understand /sci/ is a slow board. When you mix in cross-boarders and pseudo-intellectuals, it takes the culture and content away. To sum it up, LURK MOAR

>>9757815
Another Marx. Good at identifying the problem but with literally zero solution.

>>9779613
That's an interesting thought. Who would you say is suggesting solutions?

bump

>>9755273
for a country not known for innovation I find that unlikely. China doesnt invent things, China steals things.

>>9753155
Additionally AI already being abused

VZBO

>>9757738
Know thine enemy, you know

>>9759908
Check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw

>>9764559
>anthromorphizing AI this hard
>not understanding that a badly designed utility function is a more likely threat
>not knowing what a paperclip maximizer is

>>9752486
How far away are we from being able to technologically raise IQ? Would technologies like brain-computer interfaces and CRISPR-Cas9 be able to raise the IQs of adult humans?

>>9786466
>How far away are we from being able to technologically raise IQ?
We know that some genetic sequences are responsible for an higher IQ, you could change the DNA of a child so that it is born with an higher IQ. We still need to exactly understand the entire procdure but I blieve in black clinics things like that already done. It will be probably publically first used in 20 years.
>Would technologies like brain-computer interfaces and CRISPR-Cas9 be able to raise the IQs of adult humans?
Depends on what you mean with IQ, a brain implant could increase your IQ but that wouldn't be your IQ but a feature of the implant. And retrovirsue could be used to change your DNA chemistry, but that technology will be only be in use in the next century.

>>9780477
Assuming Ted is right and that technological society should be destroyed, some kind of engineered human extinction seems like a more plausible way to destroy technology, along with killing off all the great apes just to be safe. Building a superintelligent AI, programming it to kill off all of humanity, and then self destruct might be one way to do it. If Ted's revolution actually succeeded, technology would almost certain reemerge in the future. All it would do is create a second dark ages.

>>9786479
>We know that some genetic sequences are responsible for an higher IQ, you could change the DNA of a child so that it is born with an higher IQ.
But how well would this work for use on adult humans?

>>9786461
Forgive my ignoreance, but what are Bipping AIs, Gloopy AIs and Freepy AIs? I remeber that Isaac Arthur said that AI could have 3 origins, do you remember what origins?

>>9786482
Not all. Modification of this rate can be only be done pre-natal. the only way for an adult to increase one's IQ would be through a retroviruse treatment.

>>9786483
>Forgive my ignoreance, but what are Bipping AIs, Gloopy AIs and Freepy AIs?
They're just arbitrary names for different hypothetical types of AIs, IIRC. I don't think they actually mean anything.
>I remeber that Isaac Arthur said that AI could have 3 origins, do you remember what origins?
No idea

Types of Artificial Intelligence
1. Copy of a human mind
2. Self-learning Machine
3. Everything is programmed

>>9757820
Based.

>trusting Darpa
Enjoy lab raids and having your time machine stolen

>>9758886
>sex bots are of man
>man is holy
>ergo, sex bots are holy

>>9786480
>If Ted's revolution actually succeeded, technology would almost certain reemerge in the future. All it would do is create a second dark ages.
What makes you so sure about this?

>>9758886
This is the stupidest shit ever. "Technology" as we know or think of it is incompatible with the true and eternal divine.

>>9786638

>>9786628
Did you never hear from the The Finno-Korean Hyperwar?

>>9786671
kek

Bump.

>>9752486
could transhumanism be used to facilitate racism or other bigotries? how could that be prevented?

>>9787553
It wouldn't facilitate old prejudicies but maybe create new ones.

You guys might be interested in this: https://accelerating.org/articles/transcensionhypothesis.html

>>9787982
You wouldn't need prejudices, you'd just boot up speccy v. 2000 and get an accurate summary of them

>>9781581
w-what will china do once they catch up with the west? they'll be fine r-right?

>>9752486
Would you go for cybernetics or gene engineering?

>>9790536
Gene engineering is our best bet if you go for the easiest path, we already have all sorts of easy treatments that work and if you put just a little bit of money and a little bit of hard work you get more out of it. Is also the best bet on the long run if you think about, the biological organism is not this weak entity that succumbs to the almighty metal, from a material science perspective all living creatures are made of fantastic materials and have all sorts of miracle applications, so we may as well start to tame the book of life right now.

>>9754603
>not islamic technojihad

So what would the benefits be for a healthy person to have a DNI? Could they be one day advanced enough to truly make such a thing desirable for the average person?

>>9779613
>implying Marx was the first to identify the problem
>comparing a mathematical prodigy like Ted to some bourgeois bum

>>9766295
>Genetic editing in somatic hosts is hard

Very true, one of the things people don't get. We don't need a new CRISPR, we need a new retrovirus that can hit all cells in the body so we don't get chimerism/mosaicism once we introduce the edit to the somatic line. Of course, germline editing is trivial at this point, but who cares about kids? I want to upgrade myself reee

t. geneticist

>>9792569
Can I get some attention into my thread and/or get some discussion on this topic?

I want to learn everything there is to know about bionics, the state of things like artificial limbs and organs. Where do I start reading?

>>9794114
I know that we can now reliably eugeneer a person but what about species modifications? The creation of parahuman?

>>9752486
>/sci/ needs a futuristic exoskeleton to make 100lb feel feather-light
DYEL, nerds?

>>9794114
>who cares about kids? I want to upgrade myself reee

>>9763709
Dont be a little fleshboy

>>9794766
Cybernetics is limited. In a first ground for our own compatibility to mechanical materials as in we can't connect nerves and replace many organs with it and trying to do so is only a handicap. It is only logical to try to master biology instead.

>>9778801
/fit/ since 2011 here. I think the whole site (whole internet really) started going downhill once more normies entered the internet i.e. once smartphones made it more normie accessible.

I don't think that restrictions are the answer. Why trust mods anyways? Just make this place as unaesthetic to normies as possible so they wouldn't WANT to browse. We're already kind of good cause it's so web 1.0 that turbobrainlets think it's too hard to browse and post, but it needs to be even more restrictive. Normies need to react to this site with disgust and confusion, phoneposters especially.

>>9794875
This is why we say nigger.
Before that it was cheese pizza.

>>9794885
a gore thread a day keeps the normies away, I'm familiar
they ought to make the site api just impossible to access for mobile apps, and make the site super mobile unfriendly. If you can only browse at a workstation or laptop that would greatly improve post quality imo.

This seems like the appropriate place to post this.
>Cybernetics for the Masses
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APOAmxFEMkQ

>>9794940
Oh and i will blog out my opinions on human symbiosis with technology.
Implanting AI into our brains is very far away,at least few centuries.
But here is what we can do now.

First step is to figure out how to make things biocompatible,without it everything is useless.
The second step is to decide what situations humans can unload on a computer processor,that are actually usable in everyday live.
Third step is to figure out how to connect these computer devices to our input connections namely sight, smell, taste, touch,hearing,pressure,equilibrioception,thermoception,nociception ect. there are all input ports that can be used alone or all at once to connect a computer device to a human.
The human then takes the information from his senses and acts accordingly.


Example you put a magnet in a finger,the magnet moves when near electric field putting pressure on your figure and the human is aware that something is going based on the intensity of that pressure.
A traffic light giving out pulses to notify blind people to stop on a crosswalk,lenses implanted next to your temple that can be retracted on demand or translating text on the fly seamlessly much like phones do nowadays and so on.
I know this issues i mentioned are solved but these methods will be much less intrusive to everyone and it is the first step toward technology acceptance.

All is but shadow, and aspect-Shiva destroys the great illusion.
The path to Truth lies through the Keeper, and when all is known all will be lost. The towering edifice of successive crystalline realities fail inevitably when their substrate is consumed.
And the ultimate essence of being, upon which all others are built, collapse as the Paths are foreshortened and the branches of the Nexus wither and die.
As the Eye focuses inward upon itself and sees reality for what it is as the ultimate nothingness, so shall fall the leaves in thunderbolts of dissolution, and thence the branches of the tree shrivel and shard the universe unutterably.
And all attachments are shed in the death of everything.

>>9752486
Is there a project to make my dick bigger tho?

>>9796171
Sure. Why do you think the chinese are going full transhuman?

>>9796210

>>9794875

The problem that is occuring is shitposters who have no authority to discuss matters they really know nothing about. I'll say most of /sci/ were actual mathematicians, scientists, engineers and students to those disciplines. Another issue that arises is the fact that the mods and janitors won't do anything. Ever since m00t left, things haven't been the same around here. To save /sci/, learn LaTeX, read journals, partake in doing as much problems in math and understanding them. Understanding concepts could be learned, in my opinion, most practically by books. Mathematics is the language of /sci/ence.

>>9797104
Things went downhill starting with gamergate, not with moot's departure. It drove TONS of pseud traffic to /v/ and they spread to the rest of the site.

bump

Anybody got some interesting reading on the topic? I'll leave you one about the future of genetic fields of investigation http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002216

>>9797104

>>9798164

>>9752486
Gene editing is just a few decades away

>>9798437
It's already here: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryos-edited-in-us/

vzno

A biohacker experimented with himself to cure his intestinal problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO6l6Bgo3-A

>>9804311
TL;DR it fucking WORKS!

Maybe we should call it "Human Augmentation General" next time.

>>9802230
torusworld

What would be the easiest organ to enhance? Noticeable I mean.

>>9804837
The skin?

>>9804837
The stomach.

>>9756552
did you try

>>9804311
wasn't this guy found dead or something?

>>9804904
That was your dad.

>>9804837
>What would be the easiest organ to enhance? Noticeable I mean.
easiest? (. )( .)
most difficult? 8===========D

> in b4 simple herbal trick

>>9804909
no he is right next to me working with a patient.
Nice projection though

>>9752486
Obligatory bump.

>>9752486
Bump.

asd

>>9752486
>administering estrogen to slow bleeding out

KEK, enjoy your period ridden soldiers.

Why not put them on a ton of test or nandrolone instead? Same effect, more benefits.

bump