/sci/ - Science & Math

Psychiatry will be a meme until we discover objective markers for "mental" (i.e neurological) diseases.

>>9740498
I wouldnt go as far as to say that ADHD doesn't exist, though it's likely very over diagnosed. The criteria for diagnosis includes questions asked to the parents and/or teacher regarding the child's behavior, which becomes very subjective, and generally doesn't take into account the fact that kids tend to naturally be hyperactive when you shove em inside a classroom for half of a day without any real outlet. The doctor does have excellent advice. Diet, exercise, sleep hygiene, and most importantly limiting screen time are crucial to facilitate healthy development in children. Unfortunately it seems that parents would rather just give their kid a pill than actually try to parent them

>>9740498
I agree completely. ADHD was invented by pharmaceutical companies who wanted to sell crack to brainlet parents wondering why their brainlet kids weren't paying attention in school. Turns out the answer was simple: school's boring for those kids.
What people call """ADHD""" is the pathologization of all the personality types that don't find being in class invigorating.
Just make Adderall and the like available OTC and whatever happens, happens.
>t. faked ADHD for the noots

>>9740498
boy that sure does confirm my biases oh boy.

>do something they’re passionate about

This is a class-restricted approach. Most people don't have such luxury. What a naive douchebag.

Probably. People just need hobbies and better teachers
>Be "ADHD" kid
>Doc prescribes Adderall
>Mom, being a good parent, takes me off the drug because she doesn't like how it effects me
>Grow up to be an attentive and patience adult

>>9741212
I do have this luxury, except I just don't know anything that I'm very interested in, much less passionate about.

>>9741224
also a good point
that is the case for a lot of people who fall under the same diagnostic critera

>>9741212
How is doing something passionate class restricted? Unless your bottom of the barrel poor which then you wouldn't really be even buying adderall for at least it's intended use

>>9741224
Start lifting. Honestly it was hard at first, but after a month or two I fell in love with it. Anyone should be able to as well since resistance training and humans go hand in hand incredibly well on every level

>>9741258
Lifting is boring as shit, I used to do it a bit back in high school but I never liked it and never got that high everyone talks about.

>>9741252

my passion is taking champagne baths in golden tubs, shitlord

>>9740498
ADHD exists, except it’s actually a behavioral disorder. The doctor is correct in that the proper treatment to “cure” ADHD is an ordered life. It’s really something that results from shitty parenting and/or poor decision making. It should not be medicated

>>9740498

no not really

>>9741273
Then you didnt dive into it. There are so many different types of training available today that your doing yourself a disservice by not putting your body through physical tests at least 3 times a week. The science behind a squat is so satisfying to apply irl. The leverages and angles and familiarity you develop with your body is incredible to know

>>9740498
"Doctor"

So by the opinion of one doctor we should ignore decades of study and medical research?

ADHD is only a symptom

>>9740498
>For my patients who are in the first category, I recommend that they eat right, exercise more often, get eight hours of quality sleep a night, minimize caffeine intake in the afternoon, monitor their cell-phone use while they’re working and, most important, do something they’re passionate about.

Homeopathy garbage pseudo-science. Get this trash off of /sci/.

>>9741252
Exposure to various activities is pretty restricted. Not everyone gets to have a piano in their home, or have parents who can take them to a golf course on the weekends as a child, or live near a beach to go surfing. A lot of children don't even get enough food to eat to sustain attention through their normal classes, much less through extracurricular activities.

>>9741582
Sure, if you only focus on activities unavailable to you instead of the ones at your fingertips. There are also loads of school and community programs that offer these activities for minimal, if any depending on the circumstances, cost.

>>9741638
Yeah but a lot of children will never access these things, with a single parent working two plus jobs and whatnot. Parents to take you places and encourage you to do things are a luxury, believe it or not.

>>9741646
My single parent household taught me I love cooking. Once again, people focus on what they dont have. Learn what's in front of you.

>>9741568
>Regular Excercise guards against fluid IQ decline. Probably due to better Oxygenation of the brain.
Humbug.

So is depression a meme, too?

>>9741751
No one argues that exercise is bad for you. In fact it's the best catch-all to make yourself feel better.
Yet there is not a single medical expert which would recommend the homeopathy treatment of diseases (don't worry about it, just get on the StairMaster and eat some blueberries) to solve their patient/client's very real, very serious issues.
This guy lives in a fucking loony-bin and it's this type of garbage medical practice which destroys lives.

>>9740498
>kid wants to fuck around instead of listening to dumb roastie teacher talk about retarded shit she doesn't understand
>HOLY SHIT FUCKING DRUG HIM QUICK
can't believe u goyim fell for it for this long des.u

>>9741568
imagine being so fat that you actually get angry at being told to eat right and exercise

>>9740498
As someone with the diagnosis, how come it's exclusively people without the diagnosis that claim it's not real? I could literally use the same arguments to argue that people really don't need glasses
>I have never needed glasses
>Compared to fifty years ago a lot more people have been diagnosed with it
>Some people seem to be able to see fine at times, it's just in their heads
>Have they just tried shaping the fuck up?
>Big optics just want to sell glasses and made it up
>Just because a kid says he can't read it doesn't mean that glasses will help
>A friend of mine stopped using glasses since he realized that he put literal pieces of glass in front of his eyes and that it could kill him or at least blind him.

>>9742447
what a shitty, retarded analogy. must be from all the glasses you wore.

hey guys actual ADHD here
Now that i'm an adult i can sit in a boring ass classroom for 6 hours and mostly pay attention
the idea that kids need to be sedated to get their all important "education" is insanity
ADHD kids will learn more watching the history channel then they ever will from a shitty public school teacher

>>9742447
>diagnosis
>why do sane people think it's not real
The diagnosis is just some arbitrary definition some geezers just up to sell their drugs to the goyim. ADHD is a borderline retarded diagnosis. Of course there are people who suffer from it. But those people don't reach a proper functioning level in society. Most people and especially kids just need a proper upbringing. Guess why the number of incidences is on the rise ? ADHD is severly overdiagnosed.

>>9741992
no. it's natural. antidepressants however are.

>>9741215
>Be ADHD kids
>Dont get medicated, fuck my entire life up
>Get meds at 25
>Pursue a PhD, get a gf and don't hate myself anymore

funny ain't it

>>9742617
Good to hear that i'm not the only one.

>>9740498
I convinced a psych that I had ADHD so I could get an unlimited supply of $10 adderall. The process is so ridiculous that almost anyone can get diagnosed with it. If a parent notices a problem, and they take em' to multiple doctors they simply will get the ADHD diagnosis.

>>9742686
Your country has a shit system. Here you have to prove that you've had adhd for all your life. You need to dig up your old school documents and everything.

>>9742691
I just said I can't pay attention in class, and have always had trouble paying attention. I was 19 when I did this. He prescribed ritalin the first time, then I said I didn't like it and asked for adderall.

>>9742696
I had to do various tests over a five month period.

>>9742701
Welp not here in good ole America.

>tfw you've always thought this but your life is collapsing because you can't focus enough to take 300 level classes
Hmm, I wonder if adderall giving me a normal life would be better than doing nothing.

>>9742706
land of the free, home of the brave.

I hate how my debilitating ADHD is just a meme in USA thanks to your utter inability to create an efficient health system.

>>9742617
>ADHD kid
>C and D average but all my teachers know something is up because I understand the material in class
>Get taken to psychiatrist for evaluation, recommends concerta
>Dad adamantly against it, mom pulls rank when I just about flunk out of 8th grade
>On meds starting in HS
>Can actually focus my thoughts on stuff for more than a minute at a time
>Can actually read a book from start to finish
>Get 4.0 for the rest of highschool and get a full ride scholarship to a good State University

I'm glad my mom didn't let my dad and fuck up my life

>>9742854
That's great to hear, sounds like my experience. The resistance against the diagnose is frustrating, like in the case of your dad.

>>9742854
>concerta
hahahahhhahahaha you little faggot

>>9742929
epic post dude

>>9742933
post boipussy and manboobs you little slut

>>9742955
disgusting

>>9742617
Came here to post LITERALLY this but got it at age 20 with just enough time to salvage the last 3 years of college. only one left to go and ive been with my gf for 2 years. Adderal saved my fucking life from ruin. It doesnt treat the underlying causes (which in my case are probably being a manic depressive/bipolar mess, with a shitty diet and lifelong sleep issues... at least I dont smoke or drink)
but it sure as fuck helps in the short run, cause nothing is gonna fix my strong genetic predisposition to be an inattentive fuckup, with multiple undiagnosed learning disabilities, like the rest of my family.

pic unrelated but I had it on my desktop

>>9740550
How objective do you want?

Particularly on OP's topic, brain scans clearly show differences between activity in ADHD brains and non-ADHD brains. In addition, there are genetic markers for defective genes.

Sure, not all mental illnesses will show up in quite the same ways, but it's something.

And now that I've just remembered it - what about epigenetic changes after long bouts of depression? Is that not an objective marker?

People who say ADHD doesn't exist are the most retarded of them all.

This psychologist knows Jack shit. Sure there are some symptoms which have a spectra along more than one psychological condition, but ADHD has a distinct profile.

Bipolar people have times where they act manically, ADHD people don't have that. Some just can hyperfocus but this is not even close to be the same thing.
Depression is a non brainer, since ADHD can induce depression.

Also, ALL the problems he is stating are only valid for children or retarded adults who can't interprete any symptoms. Every true adult with ADHD will live a completely different life with meds.

Besides that, ADHD is of the most well studied mental disorder, the same is true for Methylphenidate.

ADHD is in a mordern view a disorder regarding executive functions of the brain. Namely, a disturbed dopamine and norepinephrine synthesis. That's exactly why some nootropics (L Theanine + Caffeine) can also help ADHD people with changing dopamine and serotonin levels in the brain.

t. Physics master student recently diagnosed.

>>9744600
I hope this bumps revive the thread, I wanted to ask specifically about Adderal.
It seems to be useful
https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2014/03/13/taking-adderall-for-treatment-resistant-depression/

But there's this documentary called "Take your pills" that seems focused on attacking it specifically as something useless and I remember reading at how it seems it does not lead to improved school grades on a notable scale.

>>9742854
>>9742617
But couldn't it be that you're just taking superhuman focusing drugs, and that you just haven't learned to focus by yourself?
(Not trying to roast, just actually curious)
Because many students especially in uni take such smart drugs so they can do better on tests and homework and the like, even if they have learned to focus properly

>>9745216
But couldn't it be that a better way to cure ADHDlike symptoms would be to rewire these parts of the brain through some as-yet undiscovered or unresearched kind of therapy?

I think the main thing that people bring up against medicating for ADHD is that "they need to learn to focus" or so

ADD is real. ADHD is just an add on to help drug up more children because their parents dont have the patience or wherewithal to handle a child, especially boys.
I also think ADD can have very basic solutions such as practicing some form of meditation or exercise coupled with a decent diet.

>>9740498
>time
He might have a point, but time isn't a reputable source.

>>9746077
>I also think ADD can have very basic solutions such as practicing some form of meditation or exercise coupled with a decent diet.
These aren't solutions. They are things that anyone can do to improve their focus and mental stamina.
They can help you get through everyday life, but getting a STEM degree, that matches your talents, without medication is virtually impossible.

>all these retards pretending they have a disorder when they're just undisciplined spastics
>thinking your grades improved because now you're "treated" rather than the fact you're now on amphetamines

>>9747185
t. brainlet

>>9741464
this. wtf? Just about all "diseases" are symptoms but people act as if its something that just happens for no reason and you need jew pills to get by with it.

> I recommend that they eat right, exercise more often, get eight hours of quality sleep a night
yeah no shit, if your kids blood sugar levels are all over the place, he's eating lots of food coloring from shitty processed foods, not getting enough sleep, etc he will be susceptible to developing an unbalanced mind. Common sense is now some hotly debated controversial topic apparently. What sort of clown world are we living in?

>>9745522
I doesn't improve grades for people without ADHD. Not true for people with ADHD. This documentary is complete shit.

>>9745789
>Just try harder bud
Yeah that is essentially bullshit. The best you can do is methylphenidate and amphetamines. For people like ADHD it's like having glasses. Without the medication they can't see properly (mental fog) with medicine it goes away and they can function properly. It doesn't cure it, but can improve symptoms.

The whole: "just try harder" notion comes from the fact, that ADHD can be interpreted by someone standing on the outside as a lack of motivation and willpower. Which is isn't. It is a neurodegenerate measurable disorder of the fucking brain.

>>9747216
That's wrong as well. Blood sugar levels (especially in liquid form) helps ADHD people A LOT. I'm right now doing my masters and I am studying for years and If there weren't sugary drinks etc I could've never made it this far.

>>9746077
You are fucking retarded. Adults have ADHD too. And that's exactly the point.

>>9747237
yeah i can see why you say you have adhd your reading comprehension isnt all that great. particularly about the blood sugar bit.

For all you faggots

https://youtu.be/ouZrZa5pLXk

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder

>>9747250
True, I did not read that thoroughly.

>>9747192
This. Don't play vidya go read a fucking book.

>>9747192
Studies prove that attention span, memory and general cognition (= academic performance) of people without ADHD does NOT get better.

Stop taking facts out of our ass retard

>>9741196
I found my classes invigorating but my passion was literally seen as disruptive and I was constantly in and out of the principals office.

Sending your kids to public school is child abuse. My kids are getting homeschooled

>>9747488
>Sending your kids to public school is child abuse. My kids are getting homeschooled
I agree. But:
If you children don't have ADHD they will never have it. Regardless which school you put them in. It's a biological disorder.

>>9747502
I dont have ADHD but I think public school is fucking retarded and it tortures anyone whos not a passive, 90 IQ retard

>thinly disguised "most modern science is bullshit" /pol/ thread

>>9747688
Essentially

>>9740498

Untreated Sperg with ADHD here. I have never been on medication my entire life. Parents told me they were told it would make me into a zombie and I was already doing well in school with no behavioral issues so they didn’t treat me.

Down the road when I transitioned out of college, life became a complete nightmare. Didn’t do shit on my own and fell into a depression because of it. Had trouble finding a job because I had no networking skills even though my GPA was fine. Eventually got my shit together and found a job but only because of the immediate threats that came with not having one. Realized that I don’t do shit unless I am told, I have no concept of time (days pass me by like nothing), and I only respond to immediate threats or crises. I digress like a motherfucker when I talk and Daydream automatically. I am supposed to be paying attention and then I randomly catch my self writing fan fiction in my head right when I am having a conversation with someone. I am not on this fucking earth 70% of the time. To call me a space cadet would be a massive understatement.

ADHD is not taken seriously because of the childhood diagnoses and treatment. People brush it off as some pharma conspiracy and that its concequences untreated means messed up grades for kids, and forget that it is a thing with adults as well and that the consequences of untreated ADHD for adults means a messed up life. High divorce rates, can’t keep a Job, taxes overdue or not filled out, shit credit, etc.

I wish I could get this treated already but I need to find insurance that covers pills. Regardless I don’t understand why people are against stimulants? They make people perform better.

>>9747745
Exactly this. Adults with ADHD are the biggest threat to retards believing it's a lie.

I'm this guy >>9745216

>>9747745
>>9747772
>>9740498
>but stimulants arenotthe way to treat them

if anyone has a better idea, i'm all ears.

i suspect "I/O" disorders like dyslexia are vastly under-diagnosed, especially if they're mild. to teachers you simply look lazy or unmotivated and you are disciplined accordingly. spending most of your primary and secondary education being subjected to behavioral discipline for something you're not in control of tends to sour your view of education. then you're 18 and have learned basically nothing except disdain for schoolwork. you either take a minimum wage job or decide you're better than that and try to make something of yourself. but your negative experiences are so ingrained that the mere thought of more schoolwork evokes feelings of frustration and exhaustion.

most learning/sensory processing disorders don't have particularly effective treatments. stimulants are the next best thing to get your aging mind on task and help you focus.

>>9747745
>>9747745
>Untreated Sperg with ADHD here. I have never been on medication my entire life
>even though my GPA was fine

you don't have adhd

>>9747688
most modern science is literally complete disinformation.

it's not even up for debate. it's not like you even provided an argument though.

>>9747815
cont.

i think the main problem is primary education. teachers take a disciplinary approach in trying to correct behavior stemming from learning disabilities, ASD, etc. this might straighten out a regular person, but for children with these disorders, it only engenders feelings of despair and hopelessness. this sets the tone for secondary education and the rest of their career.

>>9742728
isn't that most mental health issues? the extreme are easy to see, the mild is a problem but can be over come, and the low is just nature.

>>9741258
and back to /fit/ you go.

>>9747861
cont.

in the past, these people may have found careers without an education, or even pursued their own academic interests outside the constrained environment of academia. they had plenty of options.

and everything i've written so far is part of a larger pattern i've observed. one where society and culture insists on conformance to an increasingly narrow set of rules, behaviors and archetypes. most people seem to think the opposite is true. that we are more free now than we have ever been. but this just isn't true when you look at it objectively. i'm not just talking about career expectations, gender roles, gay-rights, etc. but everyday behaviors and habits. 50 years ago you could get caught smoking in school, have a BAC of .09 driving home from a bar, get into a scuffle, someone could break their leg on your property, so on and so forth, without your life coming to an end.

everything involves a permit, insurance, and a very strict set of rules. it's unreasonable.

>>9747899
cont.

some people just can't thrive under this kind of pressure.

>>9747904
cont.

now there always seems to be some form of authority bearing down on us during whatever it is we are doing. many things that would have been a minor fuck up 50 years ago can ruin your life today.

>>9747907
cont.

i blame women and jews desu. end women's suffrage, hale hortler.

but hey, let's talk more about black people and their problems. that's topical.

>>9747933

or maybe we can talk about gay rights and transgender people. or perhaps i can go over to /pol/ and read some repetitive general threads and pretend i don't live in a dystopic time period of soft-genocide through demoralization, false social justice, and the mass cultural decay of western society as we know it while not having anywhere to talk about it because all online discourse is monitored and controlled by jews and diversity hires.

THAT WOULD BE SWELL /s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s

>>9747848
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean that it's wrong.

>>9747237
>I doesn't improve grades for people without ADHD.
I wonder how true this is. For ethical reasons, there have been no studies where people without having ADHD have been prescribed ADHD medication over a long period.

I doubt I have ADHD, but I would say I spend about 50% of my time behind my desk not studying, if not more. I wonder how it would be if I take some stims or methylphenidate.

I'm in my sixth and final year of university and each year I just about manage to get through.

t. pharmacist getting a degree in industrial pharmacy

>>9749800
ADHD is like attention narcolepsy. You don't decide to stop paying attention, but instead your mind just drifts off, and you won't notice untill 15 minutes later.
Stimulants don't prevent procrastination, they prevent your mind from wondering off when attempting to accomplish a task.

>>9749800
In the healthy brain it is like "Speed" or more accurate "cocaine". Due to the lack of dopamine it works differently on the ADHD brain. You should check it, just like i did.

>>9749804
This. It's really difficult having even one completely coherent thought. Which is fucking unfortunate

>>9749800
>I doesn't improve grades for people without ADHD. Not true for people with ADHD. This documentary is complete shit.

This is literally an untrue statement. People with adhd just say this to make them feel better. shit makes a huge difference

t. a typical post grad

>>9752578
unless I am just someone with un-diagnoised adhd. guess that could make it false. other then that, idk

>>9740498
I told you.

>>9749804

>and you won't notice untill 15 minutes later.

This is the most frustrating aspect of the disorder of the illness that is the root of the hopelessness and despair that comes with this condition. The absence of control is a nightmare in your later years. Sometimes it's not 15 mins but 60. And even if I find that I am drifting of, I only get my focus back for a minute before it happens again for another period of time. I lose days because of this.

>>9752619
Nothing beats the nightmare of it happening during an exam.

>>9752629
this happened to me during an exam, I bombed it

I aced the resit

I've never considered myself ADHD though

>>9752698
Everyone loses focus sometimes.
People with ADHD lose focus all the time.

>>9749800
Paul Erdos (Hungarian mathematician) did amphetamines including ritalin and pumped out publications like crazy during that time period.
Normies buy concerta, adderal and ritalin all the time from their dealers to perform better in colmege so no, I don't think its effects are dismissable on neurotypicals

>>9752738
Paul Erdos probably had ADHD. He definately had autism.

>>9741215
>>9742617
>Be 10
>Hyperactive 10 year old
>Mom:"HE MUST HAVE ADHD! why else would a 10 year old have trouble sitting still and enjoy running around?"
>Get perscribed ritalin,zoloft and a dozen other drugs
>Was a straight A student prior to prescriptions
>Afterwards grades tank
>Become much less social and have to be put into ED classes with actual tweakers and suicidals
>Stop taking drugs jr year of high school
>Grades suddenly shoot through the roof and I start opening up to people, becoming more active again
>Mom:I guess all those years of drugs did you good
>Me:" You really better hope I don't hold a grudge over this when you're too old to care for yourself".

ADHD is, generally, "addiction" to stimuli.

Hyper stimulated children, like those 8 year old with tablets in their hands, playing videogames around 100% of their idle time, plus their sugary diet, is what renders then deficient in attention capability.

Too much stimuli undermines our capability to enjoy one thing at a time. It's the same logic for porn induced erectile dysfunction, but in another realm.

>>9753102
ADHD kids have ADHD from birth.
ADHD kids grow to be ADHD adults.
ADHD adults have ADHD until they die.
There is no cure for ADHD.

>>9740498
A doctor? Telling the truth about over-diagnosis and over-prescription? Hope he doesn't have any visits to airports in the future ...

>>9740498
>Psychiatry

>>9753102
>Hyper stimulated children, like those 8 year old with tablets in their hands, playing videogames around 100% of their idle time, plus their sugary diet, is what renders then deficient in attention capability.

i can easily refute this as i was born in the 80s and did not own or have access to a computer or any personal electronics for many years.

>>9744739
Psychiatric assesment is basically clinical, there's not cost-effective and sensitive enough tests for mental disorders.

>>9752763
Exactly this. For people without ADHD it just hits like speed.

>>9753102
You are so fucking misinformed it hurts.

Leave /sci/

>>9741196
This. ADD was invented to open a new market for amphetamines a couple of years after the over-the-counter sale was outlawed.
>>9741568
t. lazy person with no self-reflection
>>9742447
Optical vision is vastly more better understood than a presumed mental disorder of the most mysterious lobe of the brain and hence treatments of the first are vastly superior.
>>9742617
Do you even know how your medication works on the layman's level?
>>9745216
>ADHD is of the most well studied mental disorder, the same is true for Methylphenidate.
Your post reeks of lies and deception.
>>9747745
You cannot even have both autism AND ADHD in the same individual according to the current understanding of the nervous system.

>>9753102
This is absolutely rubbish. And what's with US and the fixation on sugar on behavior?

The first time I heard of a sugar "high" was when reading translated American comics. And I thought the mere idea was a bad joke. Through repetition I learned that people actually think sugar gives a "high" with overly active children as a result. Bogus.

When I grew up there were no talk of this phenomenon but we ate the same sugarcoated crap, the same amount of candy and drank the same kind of sodas. We were active, sure, as all healthy children are. As they have always been.

>>9754781
Nice weak correlation youve got there. Where are the statistics?

>>9752816
>things that thappened

>>9753136
Shouldn't it be the inverse?

>>9741215
Anecdote
>>9741258
Anecdote
>>9741273
Anecdote
>>9741287
Mr trump shouldn't don't you have something more important to do?
>>9742457
anecdote
>>9742617
Anecdote
>>9742686
Anecdote
>>9742854
anecdote
>>9744600
anecdote
>>9747745
anecdote
>>9752816
anecdote

>>9747861
>>9747899
>>9747904
>>9747907
>>9747925
>cont.
>4 consecutive posts that could have fit into one
Jesus man rethink your life.

>>9747237
>I doesn't improve grades for people without ADHD.
Absolute bullshit.

>>9756287
It's not fagotto

>>9754781

>>9754781

Makes sense from this point of view: the higher IQ you have, the later in life you will feel powerless against mental tasks due to the increase of brainpower demand.

I was a top student at highschool until the last two years, when my grades started to become average. At college I struggled a lot (STEM field) and was about to drop out. There were subjects I couldn’t even focus more than ten minutes without my mind wandering around and I couldn’t control it at all, and my motivation to go to classes went into the trash. I discovered Ritalin, taking it without a prescription has helped me enormously, and if everything goes well I will finish my degree and get a job in the field very soon.

Have I ADHD? I don’t know, and I personally don’t care. These meds are helping me in these difficult times, that’s for sure.

>>9740498
Explain white supremacists then. Checkmate

>>9756595
My thoughts exactly. We are tasked with the demands of our lives and the obligations and responsibilities that come with it. If we fail to meet these demands, there are harsh consequences. What is the harm in using stims to make sure that you meet these demands? The amount of responsibility, long term planing, attention to detail in developed countries is extraordinary to begin with, so what is the harm of taking extraordinary measures to achieve it? I don’t know why this is an issue to begin with.

The argument against stims is bullshit. Even if they are as dangerous as they say they are, I would rather die 20 years sooner than live as a unreliable and undisciplined piece of shit that is always in a state of crisis because he forgot something.

>>9757204
This. Also great stuff happens when you are young

>>9740550
The psychiatry of today is to the psychiatry of tomorrow as alchemy was to chemistry.

>>9741729
>I love cooking
Well not everyone is born gay, anon.