/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9724967
WTF, does the OP from the picture go to University of Phoenix, Devry, or some other for-profit "uni"?

Maybe the department took discreet math too literally

>>9724967
because you dont need to into math for most code monkey jobs?

>>9725015
kek
>>9725048
Considering that CS is ostensibly a subset of mathematics, they should at least attempt to make it look rigorous.

>>9724967
you don't need it for code monkeys but yes the asker should absolutely take those classes voluntarily.

i'm a math guy that likes to code and I tell the kids in the CS classes i've taken to VOLUNTARILY take abstract algebra+linear algebra and if they can diffEQ+statistics

they look at me wide eyed

>>9725048
>>9725068
Aren't matrices used a lot in CS? Or do you only need a surface level understanding of them?

>>9725058
>ostensibly
means 'to outward appearance, regardless of actuality'.

>>9725068
i think linear algebra is standard if uni is making you take vector/integral calc

>>9724967
CS really needs a governing body like engineering.

>>9725905
It will eventually get to that point.
To be fair, most cs jobs probably don't require numerical methods. Anything that is math-heavy will be done by the engineers.
Codemonkey webdevs are probably the main cs demographic.

>>9725905
The tools and protocols need to be standardized to be sensible first. Also, the amount of work that is demanded out of programmers means that it's really hard to keep it in completely in check, and you always need to fit the random paradigm of the companies that you depend on.

Capitalism probably gives us the massive speeds of development that we have, but there is no centralized control.

>>9725616
Correct, I was saying that computer science is advertised as a subset of math even though what they actually teach is software engineering. Maybe I should have said "computer science programs" or something.

>>9726110
Then it's shouldn't be called Computer "Science".

>>9727135
it's a bad name tbqfh senpai and informatics is bad too.

i'd shit my pants if it was renamed to 'computer programming'. it's just inaccurate enough so that autists don't screech about it, and sounds just right.

>>9727135
CS isn't science anyways. What do you suggest CS be called? Not talking about software engineering

>>9727148
What about actual computer science, which involves no programming?

>>9727150
Computational Logic & Mathematics?
Theoretical Computation?

Abstract Engineering?

>>9727153
What do you mean specifically?

The reasoning is that the research that gets done is to be applied to interaction with computers. To program is pretty much the only application of it, thought obviously the work done is mostly not programming.

>>9727167
Programming is just implementing algorithms which is trivial, anyone can do it

>>9727182
I don't think there is anybody whose job is just 'implementing algorithms'. That doesn't even describe codemonkeys. To be able to program you need be able to design, test, and analyze a program. It's a name by motivation.

I think it wouldn't be a great name in academia, but otherwise is very useful.

>>9727208
That is, the name of a course should probably be 'Computer Programming', rather than CS.

>>9727208
That process already has a name, it's called software engineering

>>9727237
Programming a computer preceded software. Also engineering is a separate tradition, 'software engineering' has its place.

>>9727246
I also thought that programming is of interest by itself, say by looking at common constructions in order to design a language.

>>9727246
What do you mean? How is software engineering different from what you're describing?

>>9725015
>>9724967
>discreet

>>9727271
Programming something didn't always mean typing code. The first female programmers were running wires or something to program Non Neumann computers.

On SE, I think there is a difference. Would a software engineer be describing language grammars, or designing theoretical automata? Engineering, software engineering, has its own set of principles.

>>9724967
How can these idiots do anything if they can't solve a basic linear system or employ numerical integration/differentiation techniques?

>>9725616
brainlet

>>9727278
That's the joke, retard

>discreet
false flag

>>9724967
Good. Every university degree has unnecessary BS thrown into the credit requirements. I was in Biology and even we had to take Calc 1 and 2. I have never once needed to find the area under a curve manually. Enough with these stupid meme courses.

Some liberal arts colleges offer a B.A. of Computer Science. They usually have very minimal math requirements.

>>9728144
Tai's method is what happens if you don't teach Calculus to people in the Biology field

>>9728292
mathematicians are so useless, if something they found was useful someone else would have to just rediscover it anyways to make use of it.

>>9728292
Who cares, other than faggot mathematicians. How many diseases have they cured?

>>9728295
>>9728292
>being butthurt brainlet biologists

This is the reason why people think of computer science as a joke.
In the words of my favorite computer science on students bitching about math "COMPUTER SCIENCE IS MATH. ITS ALL FUCKING MATH".

Unfortunately bachelors degree from many universities became a certification to be a code monkey because that's what the students want. People in my uni constantly bitch about having to do math, and stuff that they will "never need again". You arent in a fucking bootcamp, you are at a university.

>>9725577
MatLab is a separate major

>>9725577
These people are literally just setting up and connecting databases.

>>9728313
While you were sitting in class coming up with new formulae
I studied the gene

When you were having Calc 2
I mastered the ammonia chain

While you wasted your days solving problems in pursuit of vanity
I cultivated Bacteria

And now that you have a weird mole that just keeps growing and the philosophy students are at the gate you have the audacity to come to me for help?

one gets shit done while the other doesn't need math either to imply implications

>>9724967
Don't use the Lord's name in vain.

>>9724967
>>9725905

The Joint Task Force on Computing Curricula
Association for Computing Machinery (ACM)
IEEE Computer Society only requires college algebra for SE and precalculus for CS.

https://www.acm.org/education/curricula-recommendations

>>9724967
>>9725905

The Joint Task Force on Computing Curricula by the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) & IEEE Computer Society only requires college algebra for SE and CS majors. Discrete "math" books are written with college algebra as the only prerequisite.

https://www.acm.org/education/curricula-recommendations

>>9724967
wait my one (auckland uni) doesn't force math for cs either. Is my college shit?

>paying for education
>not educating yourself for free

Absolute brainlets, self learning is so much superior to your average university, especially these days where you can't take any class without some political agenda being pushed.

>>9728688
>Living in Auckland

lmao @ your life