/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9719330
precalculus

>>9719333
unironically true for business majors

>>9719330
At my uni, calc 1&2 and general chemistry are the classes that make students rethink physical sciences and engineering because they are the GE reqs. Each of the three has like a 50% fail rate

Data Structures and Discrete Mathematics weed out many students from computer science

>>9719345
Also my school has a highly impacted business program so also business calc. Tbh tho idk how so many fail that class. I help my finance friend with his hw a lot and that shit is easy as fuck.

>>9719330
In my major? Pretty much everything bro.
From engineering in general? Physics and differential equations.

>>9719350
We had two discrete math courses which I thought were the same: one in CS and the MATH equivalent of it (or so I thought). As a CS major I was required to take either one so I took the CS one and it was super easy. 2 years later I took the one as part of my math minor and it turned out to be super hard for me.

>>9719330
For Actuarial Math, probably just any statistics class.

>>9719365
>two discrete math courses which I thought were the same: one in CS and the MATH equivalent
lmao, i guess if that one was tough to figure out, you would have trouble in school.

>>9719330
Hydrogeology, glaciology, biogeochem

Biology major - Gardening.

>>9719330
Qualitative chemistry, usually sends a good handful of chem majors straight into bio

>>9719330
analytical chemistry

Celestial navigation

>>9719330
Physics. It's strange how some people seem like they are literally incapable of understanding physics. They study as hard as they can and still just don't get it.

>>9719330
Algebra. First course in algebra and you get to Lie algebra in a single semester. Semester starts with group theory. Course covers 16 weeks of material from an algebra class at any other school in 1-2 days and blows past it to more advanced material. Basically the way it’s taught isn’t typical to other schools. This is an undergrad class

Calc 1. Only like 20% get through every year, really.
Is it because there is a lot of brainlets going for CS nowadays ?
The test is pretty normal, nothing extreme. 10 problems, you need at least 60% right. 2 limits to count, 2 derivatives, 2 integrals (so you basically pass if you know the basics) and the rest is things like finding a tangent line to a function at a point, figuring out the extremas and concavity, are betwen two functions. Nothing out of the ordinary.

E&M physics
(phys II)

Intro to Inorganic Chemistry (2nd year)
>200 students down to 25 at the final exam
Modern Organic Synthesis (3rd year)
>60 down to ~25
Intermed. Inorganic Chemistry (3rd year)
>40 down to ~12
Organometallics and Catalysis (4th year)
>25 to less that 15 in the second to last week

>>9719330
the first 200-300 level theory writing class for mathematics, and then real analysis if you only managed a C in the earlier class

In the 2nd year a lot of people struggle with Research Methods.

>>9719330
>biggest weed-out classes
glass blowing 101

>>9719345

I breezed through gen chem with mid-high B's, stress free. Just not good enough for an A. Am I a giga-brainlet?

>>9719330
>What are the biggest weed-out classes for your major?
Essentially my class got divided in half every semester until the end of Quantum Theory. For physics most undergrads pass and do fine in General Physics 1 and 2. Sophomore year half the class drops in Physics Problem Solving (basically a class that was put into place because physics 1 and 2 were simplified for the engineering students) and another chunk drops in Math Physics. Once they reach Quantum Theory the class has shrunk from 100 to 15 (and more are going to drop).

One of my classes only has 5 students in it. 2 of them are on the verge of failing.

>>9719589
Depends. Did you get a B just because you didn’t try, or did you genuinely not get the material? If it’s the former, you were stupid for being lazy. If it’s the latter, you’re a brainlet I’m afraid :’(

Fluid mechanics, kill me now

>>9719330
anatomy

It was my favourite class though.

>>9719330
>Intro into Programming
Weeds out people who are mentally not able to program
>Linear Algebra
Weeds out people who are mentally not able to think logically
>Formal Sematics of Programming Languages
Weeds out aspiring webdevs

The last one is a 4th semester course and it is amazing how many people are not able to handle it despite having good understanding of all previous classes. Math majors have also huge problems with this class for some reason, as with all formal CS classes.

>>9719330
Mineralogy for geology. All the idiots who think they picked an "easy" major are suddenly confronted with a class where you have to commit everything to memory.

>>9719330
Around 700 people enroled with me, and started calc 1
For calc 2, we could fit in a 300 seat lecture hall
That takes care of super brainlets
Then comes databases for weeding out the rote learners, who can't/don't want to actually understand things
Then graphics in 4th semester, which wouldn't be that bad, if the lecturer weren't a prick

For generals I'd say linear algebra or multivariable calc.
For not really a required course, Intro to Game Theory frequently gets students to visit office hours to try and salvage grades, or figuring out if they need to drop the course.
Grad students frequently lament their experiences in game theory courses. They've basically said, "It's a whole other animal that is unlike anything else they've ever studied before."
You either get it, or you don't.
The histogram for the class is basically completely bimodal.

>>9719537
Interesting. Pretty sure I got an A in Algebra in middle school.

>>9719537
lol i did algebra in 8th grade nigga, are americans so far behind?

real analysis

i know i guy who unironically got 11%

>>9719330
Multivariable Calculus + Linear Algebra -> Signals and Systems -> Electromagnetic Fields

If you pass these you are guaranteed your EE degree.

>>9719740
>>9719748

Nice bait.

>>9719659
BME-VIK

>>9719758
>:^)

>>9719748
Yea. Americans import all their geniuses. Almost everyone in America is retarded

>>9719330
Organometallic chemistry. Never again lads

>>9719836
Tell me about it

Metabolism II

The material itself isn't too difficult, however the professor I had would prep people by making it more difficult than a med school exam in terms of memorization. Literally 10+ foolscap pages front and back crammed with 100 questions of fill in the blanks. Weeded many people out, many people also expelled for cheating during this course.

Ironically Circuit Analysis 1 and 2 for my EE course
Everyone is so focused on math that they neglect Circuit Analysis.

>>9719330
Abstract algebra here. Most of the people who won't make it also struggle with real analysis, but only a handful of them quit at that point. Algebra is where people say "fuck this I'm switching to computer science"

>>9719330

Mandatory women's studies course. Weeds out anyone stupid enough to show their power level.

>>9719928
>Algebra
I learned that in middle school. Your country is retarded

For freshman engineering: Physics, Calc II
For the rest of mechanical engineering: Thermodynamics II, Mechanical Dynamics, Fluid Mechanics, Design of Machine components... actually seems the weeding out never ends, my school loses many people every semester.

Techinical maths for brainlets who haven't a done basic level math.
Physics. I did it in secondary school and I'm flying it desu. Love the subject. Lecturer is sound out. Most people despise it as they says it "doesn't make sense" when it does.
Applied math for brainlets who can't think logically. Love applied math. So comfy desu.

>>9719330
Organic chemistry
Until after you pass those classes, you basically aren't considered human here

>>9719928
did algebra in elementary school. you're retarded

>>9719751
I got a world of ass ramming ahead of me

Fluid mechanics and advanced fluid mechanics filter people later on, the biggest weed-out early on is material mechanics.

>>9719330
Formal languages theory and methods of translation.
Basically designing and programming your own compiler in theory and practice.

>>9719330
Real analysis. Somehow everything that is not pure memorization of routines is too difficult for the brainlets.

>>9719330
Chemical engineering 113, 70% fail rate
Chemical engineering 123, 20%
Chemical thermodynamics 221, 10%
Chemical thermodynamics 310, 50%
Control engineering 410, 30%

Then other lesser majors and filthy non-engineers try to tell us that everything from calculus I-IV, material science, EM, fluid mech and o-chem are filter courses.

Niggah, you are literally failing the grade booster courses. Just give up on life.

>>9719330
General relativity and maybe some of the classical mechanics courses.

>>9719330
- Electrical Circuits I & II;
- Electromagnetism;
- Analog Electronics III;

Modern Physics
Quantum ED
Plus Calc 2 for most people since it's expected

I'm only first year cs but calc 2 was challenging. Idk what the success rate was tho

Intermediate Accounting
> omg this is the hardest class everrrr!!!
In their defense the professors purposefully make the questions very tricky and legalistic to make the otherwise straightforward material more confusing but if you pay attention it’s still e z pie.
> why do I post here

Multivariable a little more than half and l5 where close to failing.

Linear algebra more than half the class dropped. 12 students are left.

>>9719330
math in college doesn't have any weed out classes, because they expect high school to weed those students out
as a result, math majors are pretty easy no matter which school you go to

>>9720241
I just finished a multidimensinal math course that had an introduction to linalg at the end. Next semester I'm taking actual linalg but what I've done so far was easy. Just solving Ax=b, inverses, and finding eigenvectors/values

>>9719345
>tfw you finished with the highest exam mark in your section
>tfw the final average was less than 50%
I was euphoric that day.

fluid dynamics
control engineering

t. me student

>>9719751
Passed all of those and got rekt by data structures.

Data structures was the CS weedout at my college

>>9720305
Intro to linear algebra is easy, people just get lost at subspaces and inner product spaces because they have never done abstract math.

>>9720352
Can that stuff be visualized like 3b1b's linalg videos? The visual stuff helped alot

>math 95
already dropped out, student next to me mispelled 'country'

Differential equations/analysis I

>>9719751
Why do so much people struggle with electromagnetic theory?
Thats the course that has the highest fail rate in all my uni, its known as "the black hole" because people will retake it up to 8 times before finally quiting or passing.
Seriously, what makes it so hard? Im taking that in 2 trimesters.

Biochem here,

weedouts included molecular physiology and biochemistry 2. I remember feeling awful that time I got like a 70 only to then realize the average was about a 40 and some even scored below 25.

there were some other difficult courses but they were designed such that although getting an A was hard work, most people could still pass.

>>9719330
>>9720380

EM is the weedout class not because the theory is hard but to do it you need to integrate and use all that you learned in the previous courses, so brainlets who barely passed math and physics get fucked

complex analysis
measure theory
functional analysis

they aren't that hard, but the lecturers are terrible cunts

>>9719836
Figurative brainlet

>>9720374
Fuck DiffEQ

>>9720396
>EM
>weedout class
just take the AP test
you can get less than half of the questions right and still get a 4

>>9719353
Yeah business calc is piss easy. I've taken both courses (changed majors), and with business calculus I only needed to study for like an hour or two before an exam to get an A. Studying for big boy calculus takes a bit more time though.

>>9719513
Is that a real class? Because if so that sounds fucking awesome and comfy AF.

Thermodynamics. The average in the class was low enough that my 70% got boosted to a B+ after the curve.

>>9720305
Idk what it was with our professor but he is very strict and mostly is proof based tests

>Electrical Motors
About 20% pass each year, there is so fucking much to cover most people just accept that they need two years to pass it, yes I'm from Europe.

>>9720396
Ha that happens a lot.

>failing differential equations
Most of it is actually pretty intuitive if you're paying attention. How's it feel to be a brainlet?

>>9719836

Literally one of the easier advanced undergrad topics

Nuclear Reactor Kinetics

Engineers can't do calculus

>>9719748
I don't think this is bait.... I genuinely believe anon has no clue

>>9719540
>20% pass rate

Dude wtf, are y'all dealing with some really messy problems or are 80% of the students brainlets? Like I get that calculus can be challenging at first, but getting at least a C or B isn't out of reach if you actually try.

>>9720405
i found my complex course easy but measure theory and functional are pretty damn difficult

>>9719330
Intro to Discrete

I'm a joint major with Biology and Maths (4 yrs)

Maths the weed-out is 2nd year real analysis, most people take their B and never take pure maths again. Abstract Algebra in the semester following that catches those that slipped through the net.

Biology we don't really have one, just a gradual loss of red bio students to ecology etc. as they 'don't want to do maths' or haven't taken any organic chem modules

I am majoring in gender studies. And male and female genders are usually easy classes. But once you get into transgenders, that's when a lot of people drop out. I almost flunked one of the tests with questions like who is allowed to use which bathroom. It is confusing really.

>>9719751
Depends on the school. Signals and System is a joke at mine while digital logic + Microprocessors are the weed out courses.

Math analysis 2 is like calc 2 and 3 and diff eq in one course

>>9719748

>>9719330
>final grade was either your total grade or the grade on the final exam, whichever was worse

>>9720490
>just take the AP test

Not Physics 2, but the EE followup concerning EM

>>9719330
>bioenergetics, biosynthesis and metabolic regulation
it's a single module

>>9719330
Modern Cryptography. It's a proof based course and around half the class fails every year even with a curve

>>9720380
combine vector calculus with extremely un-intuitive concepts that are difficult to visual are draw parallels to for the sake of understanding

>>9719748
>didnt start until 8th grade
Worthless fucking brainlet detected

>>9721039
Ooo I'm taking a modern cryptography course next year, is it really that hard?

>>9721119
have you taken abstract algebra before?

>>9721119
if your uni isn't pleb tier, yes

>>9720380
My problem was that there was no formula sheet.

>>9719330
Introductory algebra
Proofing (I will never understand this)
Calc 3 I guess. Although that's mainly for engineering

>>9719330
ee316 digital logic, self paced

Mathematical Macroeconomics

Mochizuki theory definitely. 30% of my class failed it. I even got B-. A very hard class.

>>9719330
combinatorics

>>9721126
Nope
>>9721133
It isn't so I'm cucked i guess

>>9720110
>scoffs
that baby is clearly crying. anyone who can't see that is literally autistic. oh, wait, i forgot where i was for a second. carry on...

Discrete Mathematics for Computer Science weeds out the Asians that haven't studied hard enough and other non-asian non-Jews.

>>9719620
not op but Im a chemistry major and I got a B in gen chem 1/2. Our course is set up so its 3 midterms, no final. I would breeze the first 2 midterms with like 23/25 MC right then bomb the last because I get lazy. Same thing happened for gen chem 2.
Ended up with Bs in gen chem but I just graduated this year with a degree in chem so its whatever

I feel weeded out after that calc 2 class. Scraped out a C.
Anon tell me I'm gonna make it

>>9721339
you won't

>>9721345
thanks, I'll try anyway

>>9721339
>made a B in Calc II

Feels fuckin' great man. I think if I can do calc II then I can tackle calc III no problem. Our version of calc II also had an introduction to elementary differential equations.

>>9721368
well Calc 2 is considered the hardest, esp the series part although I found the series to be the easiest.

>>9721370
Series were a mixed bag for me, I wasn't too frazzled by them but I understood them well in concept.

Taylor/Maclaurin series made sense to me, as did sequences and stuff. The middle content took a fair amount of work to grasp and master.

>>9721370
Literally how Calc 2 was piss easy mate, unfortunately I got a high B( Literally 2 points away from an A) because I went full retard on integration by parts question

>>9721376
desu now that I'm in higher level math, the autism that went on in the lower divs is apparent. Unless you're a sin(x)=x tier engineer, you will not need to have the FTC imprinted in your DNA.

>>9721382
haha we've all been there.

>>9719330
at my uni its all of them in the first year.
80% fail rate

>>9721401
List?

>>9721370
Is calc III really dependant on knowing Calc II? I pretty much fucked around during calc II and don't remember shit but passed with a B

Finding work placements/internships
Completing 4th year reasearch/design projects

>>9719577
This. Which is funny because its major restricted, so you're kind of fucked if you dont own up to the work.

>>9721457
calc 3 does not depend that much on calc 2. It's dif eq and later up math, esp CS that will depend on calc 2 and calc 3 heavily

>>9719330
Mathematics 1 and 2, that is Linear Algebra + Analysis, almost every student has to take this in his first year and it is intentionally designed to weed out. the brainlets.

>>9719330
At my uni, as a EE, it's microelectronics and electromagnetics (both were actually pretty cool for me since I'm minoring in physics)

Serious question: Why do americans find "Calc 2" hard?

The equivalent course here is a meme. We did basic linear algebra, sequences/series, basic DEs, trig substitution, integrating factor, auxiliary equations (and the d-operator method), pdf/cdf and probability stuff in it and some other stuff I'm surely forgetting that I did.

Multivariable was much harder for me - the visualization of esoteric things and sort of comprehension of why Divergence/Curl work, thinking about what coordinate transform to use etc and the bounds - that was much more difficult.

Calc 2, Linear algebra, electronic materials, and digital logic.
>EE

>>9721513
It's usually the first course where students have freedom to solve a problem any way they see fit rather than seeing one than applying a singular method. Also it's often the highest level mathematics course that premed students take so they tend to be most vocal about it.

>>9719330
For EE's, Electromagnetic fields&forces, and Semiconductor Devices

I heard Theory of Computation fucks a lot of CS majors up too

>>9719330

I was the victim of organic chemistry. I could not read a spectrogram to save my life. Thus, I was culled from chemistry.

t. math grad.

>>9721513
>Why do americans find "Calc 2" hard?
They are all brainlets I assume.

Instead of "Calc 1&2" I had two classes on "analysis" in my first year, which was entirely proof based and covered roughly the same stuff + multi variable stuff, just with proofs.

Instead of "Calc 3" I had a course on Lebesgue spaces and Integration on manifolds in my third semester.

>>9721524
Congratulations, you're not part of the american system. But at least we get to go on and work in the Silicon Valley while Paris is struggling to get jobs for it's college graduates.

>>9721524
is that supposed to be impressive brainlet? go suck ahmed's cock, America has the best universities in the world

>>9721513
Because the way "calc 2" is taught, you're force-fed analysis recipes that you don't really understand, and just memorize and apply.

>>9721573
this. I wish there was more conceptual stuff than autistic brainwashing with integrative techniques.

>>9721548
5/5 bretty gud :DDDDDD

>>9721636
>being that stupid to try and live in the silicon valley with only 6 figures
you deserve to die tbqh

>>9721636
American colleges are the envy of the world stupid yuropoor. We have dozens of institutions more prestigious than the best college in whatever slum of a country you live. I'll grant you that our undergrad is a meme, but that's the case everywhere.

>>9721661
>going to grad school
if you're not an entry-level software engineer at google right out of college you're doing your life wrong

>>9721664
That's fine if you have no intellectual curiosity. I'd rather get a terminal degree in something interesting even if i end up in the same place.

>>9721668
seriously tho, I can't fucking stand school anymore. berkeley broke my mind even though I graduated with 3.8. Fuck Berkeley desu, and berkeley is why i'm not going back to school.

p.s. i still like the football

>>9721671
I'd rather be in school than work.

>>9721672
work > school
work gives you money, school tires you out.

>>9719541
ye this fucked me up

>>9719751
Signals made me want to fucking die. I don't think I'm cut out for CompE

>>9719419
Lmao

>>9721326
How'd you do in P Chem?

>>9719661
>Econ
>Science
Pick

>>9721740
this

science makes you poor
econ doensn't make you poor
therefore econ is not science

>>9719330

All of them.

>>9721552
>is that supposed to be impressive brainlet
No, I assume that it is the average and the US is just far below everyone else.

>go suck ahmed's cock
You are 56% white, Germany is about 90% white.

>America has the best universities in the world
Doubtfully, maybe the ones where the few non brainelts are.

>>9721814
>Doubtfully
Not really, no.
> maybe the ones where the few non brainelts are.
There are more such universities in America than you could ever dream of having back in krautland. Face it: Germany is a socialist shithole without freedom of speech, a right to keep and bear arms, or many other civil liberties that Americans take for granted; any thinking individual emigrates to America when presented with the opportunity to do so.

>>9721826
I'm not >>9721814 btw

>look mommy I'm trashtalking people on the other side of the planet to hide my own insecurities
Anon pls stop for your own sake and go to another board than /sci/

The 4th semester is historically the one in which the most people drop out in my Physics course. when we take Quantum, experimental and wave physics. For my batch, the multivar calc + intro to linalg course in the 2nd semester served as the weedout course due to a particularly bad professor who was awful at teaching and made some really difficult qualifying papers, as well as a difficult final exam where roughly 50% out of around 400 students failed, and the average grade was a low D.

>>9721984

Btw, when i say difficult qualifying papers, a lot of the TA's which were mostly masters and PhD students struggled with them as well.

Organic chemistry, for biochemistry.

I go to a uni that's really high up for chemistry, but not so high for life sciences. Biochemistry students get taught O chem by the chem department and it's a lot harder than the other first year bio modules.

Real Analysis or Abstract Algebra...Probably more the former, but I've seen it on the latter.

Bio 100

Yes I'm serious. Class average for each test was a 40, and the teacher curved a full letter grade up.

>>9721675
also in school you pay them to tire you out. it's cuck as fuck such a system exists that you pay to get destroyed.

>>9719330
We have Principles of Ecology which is basically a huge ass biology lecture but much more specific. So if you pass bio 1 and 2 you have to go through a similar bio 3 that focuses on ecology and has a lab part.

Analytical Methods

You have go into the class expecting to learn how to use R, but really it's a lot of statistics. More statistics heavy than the gen ed stats class that I had to take.

They require physics 2 for my major for no reason.

They also have a portion of the major called techniques where you have to chose from a handful of classes that are about the techniques of using data.

>>9719330
I have a hard time differentiating between a weed-out class and just a regular hard class. How do you tell the difference?

>>9719836
bro just reductive elimination oxidative addition and occasionally metathesis n shit. you got this bro, I believe in you

This thread literally has nothing to do with science or math why is it still here

>>9720490
This is a 400 level physics class at my university. You should should not post here if you are under 18.

single variable and multi variable calc are both 6-week entry level courses, they're taught by a guy who is a literal genius but explains things in a way that he understands and is confused why you don't get the things he does (analogy wise it's like you, a college student, teaching a kindergartener arithmetic) he is really good at teaching 300 level courses like topology or complex analogy(differentiating imaginary numbers). this is a liberal arts college known for it's art and language departments.

>>9719353
What even is business calculus? What are the problems like?

>>9723238
Business calculus is a neutered form of engineering calc or purist calc which focuses on application so the retards in class who say "WHEN WILL I EVER USE THIS MATH" will be satisfied.

>>9723241
so it's retarded retard calc

>>9719330
Electromagnetism for EE as a whole barring all the foundational math and science
Nanofabrication, antenna theory, and modern control theory for concentrations

>Integral or multivar calc
>ordinary & partial diffyq
>cpu architecture
>microprocessor design
>signals and systems
>3 different capstones
CompE is a nightmare

>>9721743
based econposter

as for the math dept at my uni:
Calc II
Lin Alg
Analysis I
are the weed out classes that every major takes, and each track has a weed out class
PDE
Algebra II
Time Series
etc.

>>9719748
here's your reply now fuck off

Real Analysis

>>9719748
>responds to bait
i did (some high school or college level shit) when i was in (some autistic level grade)
now kindly fuck off

beginning of the year there were 35 students taking linear algebra and the finals we took yesterday there were only 12 that showed. weird to me because la i felt was a shit ton easier than calc 3

>>9720317
The same thing happened to me in my Calc 1 class. The feeling was extra sweet because I was constantly being teased as the only biology major in my class (at my uni, bio majors typically take a dumbed down version of calc)

>>9721370
I hear this from people all the time but calc 3 was way harder i felt. sure the first half of calc 3 was literally calc 1 in 3d but it get's worse way too quick

>>9723405
>he blocked vector calculus section from calc2 from his mind

>>9723408
must of because don't remeber learning that till the end of calc 3. and please don't remind me of that witchcraft bs, i felt like such a hot shot at the start of calc 3 till that upside down satanic triangle showed

>>9723408
what calc 2 does vector calculus? that course is generally just a fuckload of integration and series

>>9719537
What school is this that covers group theory in 2 days? Also, you need to know about manifolds to even understand lie groups, so seems this this is an advanced algebra class.

>>9720380
brainlets get btfo because they can't wrap their minds around abstract theoretical concepts in vector calculus (e.g. gradient, divergence, curl)

the lazy get btfo because they don't practice enough; their command of basic calculus and algebraic manipulation isn't strong enough to solve the problems quickly in a test situation

and anyone who skated through physics or math gets btfo by default whether they're a brainlet or lazy or not. even if they put in a huge effort it's too late at this point

>>9719330
Firsr year : numerical physics
Second year : quantum mechanics II
In third year the pleb has been fully weeded-out

>>9721017

discrete math

double CS math major
CS: Real Analysis (Calculus) 1
Math: Real Analysis 2 (multivariable calc), Set theory and Metric spaces

>>9723443
I can agree, I didn't do any of the tutorial problems, never read the book, and got btfo on the mid term and dropped it.

>>9723405
>tfw struggled only in calc 3
>tfw still cannot mentally visualize things in motion
i may as well start HRT and become a trap at this point

>>9723423
my course ended with vector calc and TNB frame

>>9721317
>pajeet math
over here it's entirely dependent on the professor

some will just keep forcing you to do babby's first induction for 4 months straight and others will cover everything in the curriculum in like 3 weeks and start spilling over to the next class

>>9723423
I mean, I took calc 2 ten years ago already. But at my state uni, the head of the department taught the class. First part was integration techniques, second part was sequences and series. Last part was vectors, norms, based, etc..

>>9723476
people tend to overestimate their skill in algebraic manipulation specifically

>>9723485
so.. the first things in a multivar calc?
>>9723589
things get flipped around and taught in other classes sometimes I guess

First two year of engineering weed out all the retards. General units, calc1&2, physics, mechanics of structures, electrical analysis etc

>>9723716
it weeds out the lazy and unfocused
i know too many people with the brains to do it that just didn't fucking do it because they were too busy playing video games, chasing girls, or smoking weed
college at least in america is really a maturity filter

>>9719635
This and discrete math/precalculus. Fuck me

>Philosophy
Unironically, philosophy 101 class about mind. First year arts students have a knack for taking subjects or courses they know nothing about. I don't think any of them even read the course description or bothered to look up mind or cognitive science. So, plenty of students left because they hated Descartes or Hume. The ones who stayed seemed to lap up Dennett though, have no idea why.

Sad to say I only got a passing grade because I didn't cite properly and handed in things late, with the added bonus of being a brainlet. I nearly flunked logic the next semester too. It's better this year, getting only Ds and HDs. Not sure if this is a change in marking or getting used to reading/university.

Should I wait to take Physics (electromagnestism) til after Calc 3 and Diff Eq's? Would you guys recommend taking Dynamics and Strength of Materials while taking Calc 3 concurrently? Everyone says take Physics 2 after you got Calc 3 and Diff Eq's under your belt to make it easie. Also all you guys keep saying Dynamics is a weed out class for Mech's.

>>9721498
>his

>>9719345
>gen chem
>50% fail rate
It was the opposite at my Uni

>>9724338
>dynamics
No. Intro to continuum mechanics, solid material mechanics, fluid mechanics, and calc 3 (vector fields, line integrals, parametrized surfaces, gauss´ theorem, greens´ theorem, stokes theorem, rotors, divergence,maxwell´s eq:s) are the weedout classes.

>>9719330
Power Systems and Electrical Systems 1.

>>9719962
How does someone fail Design of Machine components while passing Thermo and Fluid Mechanics?

>>9723271
I think it gets to what is average cost and what is marginal cost

>>9723161
Weed-out classes occur early (1st or 2nd year) to "encourage" people to switch majors or drop out.

>>9724338
Em uses stokes theorem and greens theorem quite a bit. Pretty much everything in em is a vector, so yea, you need calc 3. Em also uses diff eq stuff for vector potentials, waves, and em in matter so it's good to have, but not necessary.

>>9723238
the hardest integrals they cover are U-sub integrals. They don't even cover trig functions, sequences, or series. Literally all it is is limits, derivatives, and a scrape of integrals

Classical mechanics. Physics majors think they’re good cause they got through the intro sequence only to realize they haven’t seen anything yet.

Mensuration.
If you can't calculate how much money is in those trees, you aren't gonna make it as a forester.

>>9720317
tfw when you thought your 89% on the thermo test was mediocre and the avg was less than 60

>>9723271
Yeah that's pretty accurate.

t. someone who has taken both business calculus and regular calculus

>East TN State University
>Business majors
>Algebra 1&2
>accounting 1&2
>business statistics with calculus
>intro to finance
>marketing theory (it’s a weird statistics based math class)

Smooth sailing with the weed-out classes but then I got to “marketing research” and there’s 2 teachers who teach one class a week each and only have 10 slots for students. So many people are held an extra semester after completing prerequisites because they won’t increase the class size. You can appeal to the dean but he had me on perma-voicemail until two days before the semester started so I went to his office to beg to be let in to the class. Finally got in and made an A but 5/10 got a D or F. Shits busted. Fuck that college, I graduated years ago but I have no fond memories of the admin’s fuckery

>>9719589
You probably weren’t the pet student with a sibling already in the department. One chemistry class I had the best scoring student was the shitty profs son.

>>9724409
50% pass rate?

Advanced product rule

>>9723459
based /fit/ crossposter

>>9725614
/fitsci/>/fitlit/

>>9719330
Organic Chemistry- Pathetic bio major here.

computer science major - manifold toplogy

>>9720698
I genuinely wonder whether gender studies majors have a weedout class. They are by definition brainlets, so any difficult class would be passable by even a soft science major like psychology.

>>9721023
i passed calculus and electricity and magnetism with B grade, however, this class is fucking my shit up for some reason. Its a last semester course for EE seniors, but I taking it as junior. I just can't remember half of this shit and trying to relearn got me like uuuhhh. Seems transmission lines are easier to understand thant electrodynamics n shiet.

>>9719333
CS majors belong on >>>/g/

>>9724409
That's the same thing

>>9720110
i heard that Europeans don't "fail" uni and they can repeat units with no consequences, care to elaborate europoor

Radiologic Sciences Major - Biochemistry

Seriously, why the fuck do I need to know this

exphil

Onions

>>9726058
/fitlitsci/>all

>>9719419
I've heard botany is actually really hard.

>>9726680
Do you have to do sudoku if you fail a course in America? I failed one because I couldn't make it to the exam.

>>9721696
If you like digital logic or something you'll never need to know what's in signals+systems. Really only useful for signal processing and controls desu

>>9726325
Have you done EM wave propagation through material boundaries yet?

That'll fuck your shit up proper

EE here, biggest weed out classes are the intro to comp sci and probably kinematics. thermo is soo fucking easy but kinematics made me want to kill myself. and inb4, yeah im a fucking retard and barely passed comp sci, fuck i look like fuckin bill gates?

>>9719360
differentials wasnt too bad, though yeah early physics classes made me rethink my major

>>9721107
Huh? Vector calculus is way more intuitive than what you learn in first year calc. You can draw parallels to how water moves around in a sink to just about every concept and line integrals aren't tricky conceptually

>>9727177
i dont even know what the fuck a vector is.

>>9719330
In my major specifically, Soft Matter.

STEM majors in general? Calculus II and Electromagnetism for whatever reason. Seems most Americans can't into math.

>>9727046
Yeah, digital logic never interfaces with sensors bruh. Definitely.

>>9726680
often times their courses get extended due to failing, but to think that european unis are lenient is really stupid. The reason why so many people fail is because there is no such thing as grade inflation, and exams are made for people to fail. I swear, you can get olympiad style questions on some uni's exams easily

>>9719330
Circuits, it's the class first that makes most of the prospective EE's and CE's become CS majors.

>>9719333
>>9726345
>tfw two friends dropped out of CS because of FUCKING TRIGONOMETRY

Might also have something to do with them getting a C in Java and D's in C++.

>>9719519
My uni used to have a hardass entry level Physics teacher. He taught both General Physics and Engineering Physics. So basically anyone who wanted to get into a medical program or an engineering degree had to get through him. This guy fucking relished in it and did not give people a fucking break. Want to see your test to see what you got wrong? That'll cost you 5 points. I mean sure, he left ample opportunity and extra credit to make it doable to succeed if you just tried hard, but by God, no one ever wanted to put forth that kind of effort.

When he retired he got replaced by this guy who will basically give you an A if you ask him nicely, and none of the kids really learn jack shit about physics. I had him for Nuclear Physics and it was so apparent that we weren't learning anything from him(no assignments, no tests, half a semester basically wasted) that they actually pulled him and put another teacher in to teach the remainder. I also proctored and graded the new professor's gen physics exams. The kids would basically ask you for the answer and then the professor gets mad at us and tells us that we should "point them in the right direction" in those situations. Fucking hell. Doesn't help that I know if I give someone 2/15 points on a problem they'll just go complain to him and get it bumped up to a 12/15 even though they don't understand shit.

Electromagnetism
Signals and Systems
Operating Systems

>>9727275
>implying european unis are somehow more rigorous than american unis
>implying you don't have grade inflation
>implying olympiad style questions are hard
Honestly, if I were as dumb as you I'd kill myself.
European unis are a joke, everybody laughs at you. With the exception of Cambridge and Oxford, and a few others I don't feel like naming. For example, there are over 2 dozen universities in America that are more prestigious than the best one in germany. It's not even a contest. It's fascinating to me how many self important europeans are on this site, always saying "durr we took real analysis in kindergarten" when really they've just been taking the same watered down calculus courses as everyone else, perhaps even worse. It must be nice being so deluded that you think your clown colleges are even worth talking about.

>>9728200
>when really they've just been taking the same watered down calculus courses as everyone else, perhaps even worse.
No. I know a few spaniards and germans, they learned calculus in HS and took Basic Analysis in freshman year of universitiy and they are engineering majors.

>>9728215
>basic analysis
What does that entail, is that supposed to be impressive? "Basic analysis" is pretty much Calculus, especially at dogshit colleges like those in Europe. Plus all engineers are brainlets so that doesn't help your case. A well prepared high school student in the U.S. will take Multivariable Calculus and Linear Algebra in their first semester of college, and Real Analysis and Differential Equations in their second semester. That's what I did when I was 18 years old. Some even take multivariable calc in high school. Just because Jamal over at Martin Luther King high school was allowed to graduate after failing elementary algebra doesn't mean the entire country is a bunch of grade inflated shit schools.

>>9728215
Also aren't german high schools grade 13? American High school ends at grade 12 across the board. So the students you mentioned are actually behind compared to a successful American high schooler.

>>9728276
>A well prepared high school student in the U.S. will take Multivariable Calculus and Linear Algebra in their first semester of college, and Real Analysis and Differential Equations in their second semester.

LOL

THAT'S WHAT ALL EUROPEANS TAKE IN HIGHSCHOOL / FIRST YEAR

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>9727186
>on /sci/
>has no clue what a vector is
This is why we should ban bio and chem majors.

>>9727081
>hardest class for EE's are classes ME's could do blindfolded
>hardest class for ME's are classes EE's could do blindfolded

>>9728762
The huge muslim populations will finally hit you guys like how our black and latino populations hit us. Your education systems will lower the bar as not to be "racist" resulting in High Schools teaching elementary algebra Senior year. Enjoy your diversity Europe.

>>9728762
>implying
How can one take real analysis their freshman year of high school, and then take basic real analysis in college as >>9728215 said? European high schoolers are as dumb as the rest of the world, if not dumber.

>>9728762
I'll repeat myself, American colleges are the envy of the world. Your entire education system pales in comparison. Go take a walk, brainlet.

>>9721265
Brainlet

>>9728802
first year of university, idiot

>>9728808
only graduate schools and research. Undergrad is literally just an ATM, and you have to take useless sociology, culture, etc classes, and all lower tier classes (which is most of American undergrad since you do so little pertaining to your major) are almost standardized by using the same Pearson books and hw that are just another ATM, lazy tier multiple choice tests, and highly inflated grading to the point anyone that puts 0 to 5 hours of study can get an A in that class.

How many of your lecturers are all actually purebred americans huh?

>>9728762
>>9728790
>>9728808
the reason is in europe and asia, middle schools, high schools, and colleges have rigorous entrance exams that automatically shut out brainlets.
america is the land of opportunity so anyone has the freedom to incur a massive debt while failing out of college.
the downside is we have some brainlets in college.
the upside is your entire life isn't plotted out for you in the 5th grade based on what middle school you get into.
our colleges are the envy of the world because maximum autism doesn't mean maximum progress.

>>9728907
This basically, and also because the "measures" of a good university are entirely subjective, and theyre usually american measures too. Things like quality of "general" education, sport facilities, non-sport facilities, accessibility, diversity, quality of life, etc are taken into account into why a university might be considered good, while usually, European unis only have quality of education going for them, and it is usually the only thing they strive for, which in my opinion it should be the main goal of any university

>>9728907
>america is the land of opportunity so anyone has the freedom to incur a massive debt while failing out of college.
Admission to any respectable state school or ivy-league school requires a high SAT/ACT score, which in turn weeds out the brainlets more effectively than entrance exams, which allow idiots to pass by brute force cramming.
>our colleges are the envy of the world because maximum autism doesn't mean maximum progress.
You´ve got that backwards: autistic obsession is the cornerstone of scientific advancements. Researchers don´t work 40 hour weeks, brainlet.

>>9719540
>20%
my calc2 class apparently had a consistent 50% pass rate

Orgo.

>>9728282
>Also aren't german high schools grade 13?
Yes/No.
That changes based of on state and time.

>>9726680
>i heard that Europeans don't "fail" uni and they can repeat units with no consequences
If you fail a course 3 times at my university you have to drop out.
Courses in the first semester are DESIGNED to make a large group of people fail them.

Molecular biology major here, here are the most notorious courses for people in my major:

>General Chemistry I
This is definitely the biggest weed out course (~40% fail, the year I took it there was a negative curve because too many people were passing), so many people bitch about it but nobody bitches about gen chem II. Really makes you think, huh?
>Biocalculus
A literal meme of a course but my fellow biobrainlets still can’t handle it. Calculus I without trig but with excel graphing. I took regular calculus instead of this course
>Intro to Molecuar Biology Lab
The math quizzes are 40% of the grade and the dilution calculations fuck everyone

>>9719330
A lot of classes in engineering. Probably the biggest cut off were the first year intro classes. It’s like the gatekeeper. A lot of stray people think they have a shot in engineering and then shit the bed when they realize they can’t party in the major.

Definitely gen chem and calc 1. Those who make it past core courses have trouble with Landscape design and engineering or aqueous geochemostry.

>>9719330
At my university, it works like this:
>Physics
Waves & Optics
>Biology
Genetics
>Chemistry
O-Chem
>Math (BS/Pure)
All courses taken during the second year are designed to make you commit suicide and/or drop to a BA
>Math (BS/Applied)
Stochastic Processes & Decision Theory
>Math (BA/Teaching)
Calculus II
>EE
Integrated Circuits
>CS
Data Structures

>>9728891
>first year of university, idiot
So really, you didn't have a point. I said that good american students take those classes at those times, you said that "all europeans students" take those classes at those times. The problem is just that in America, we don't spit on the brainlets and kick them out of school prematurely. Even idiots need a high school education. Why are you such an elitist? Is it because your colleges are so mediocre for grad school?

>>9719330
Mathematical Analysis, Classical Mechanics, Abstract Algebra

Calc 1 and 2 (yes many first year CS majors are retards that drop out quickly)
Into to Java (unironically, these kids just liked Vidya)
Introduction to data structures and algorithms

>>9721668
I'm looking forward to making anything I want at home after finish ME and going into tooling.

>>9721671

Going to UCB in less than month. Real analysis and qm come fuck me up.

>>9723296
>diffyq
>not diff eq

>>9729922
what were the data structures you learned in java?

>>9719932

Calculus series is the first weed out for math majors.

After that, Real Analysis 1 is the second weed out. Everyone who gets through metric spaces topology and continuity in baby Rudin has the grit to finish the major and most don't drop at that point (though some switch to more applied math)

>>9719993
I believe in you, friend

>>9721517
i can link you a reddit post right now that claims calc 2 is harder than calc 3 and diffeq

these people are allowed to vote

>>9719397
Interest theory btw

Solid mechanics
So fucking boring

>>9729340
I heard foreign universities do this and I don't get it. Why would you not let people try an exam as many times as they want?

>>9731184
So you don't waste resources on people who are clearly incapable of making good use of them.

>>9731185
>waste resources

They pay university taxes every additional year they take so if anything they give you more resources. Maybe it can make sense for closed number courses, but for open ones it just makes no sense.

>>9728907
>the reason is in europe and asia, middle schools, high schools, and colleges have rigorous entrance exams that automatically shut out brainlets.
Not in sweden, basically 1-4 people in my classes are not brainlets so about 95+% are drooling retards

Our entry microecon class is 600 people with other sections, so 1200 +. I think that and Orgo are our biggest normie killers, even though Micro was piss easy.

>>9731328
How do you even have exams with 600 people?

>>9719330
Calculus, algebra and organic chemistry. My major is Biochem.
Usually calculus and algebra is enough for the ultra math brainlets to want to switch to biology and organic chemistry basically seels the deal to these people.

>>9731342
Also for some reason we have eletromagnetism on our 2th year and I've known several people that still haven't finished their 3 year degree because of this one class.

>>9731342
isn't Ochem just memorization?

Guys I need some advice. I'm in my first year as undergrad in economics and everything but calculus and linear algebra is super boring and uninteresting to me. I know some people here majored economics, so I ask you: does it get any better or should I hop to another field?

Pharmacy major - Pharmaceutical Legislation
Well, it's not actually a weed-out course but it always has a huge failure percentage. Pretty much no one drops out because of it though, they'll just retake the exam.
>tfw had to take the exam three times to pass
I mean, I went to pharmacy for the STEM-shit, which I'm good at, I didn't expect that I'd have to memorize some legislation shit. There's something wrong with law-fags if they enjoy that.

>>9731370
I know two lawfags, and trust me, they aren't there because they like it.

>>9728167
Wait, seriously? Isn't that a high school level course?

>>9731368
>does economics ever get interesting
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Modern Algebra separated the mathematicians from the math education major.
A. Calc separated the rest, and I separated myself by taking graduate level analysis

I don't know what separated people in my physics curriculum, I found the real guys at the beginning and we all seemed to make it through just fine.

>>9731368
stats major econ minor here, econ just gets more boring each new class. Only one i liked was this elective history/econ class i took. but after micro 101 it just gets into the grit and all you need to do is remeber series of equations and how to derive them. you can honestly skip class all semester and memorize the equations before the exams, plug in the numbers and you get an A.

>>9719330
dynamics
mechanics of materials
diff eq
calc based physics 2

>>9731361
No, you have to understand how all that shit works. There is little memorization.

>>9731361
If you grind your ass memorizing you'll probably get a B. The only way to get an A is to actually understand it. This was unfailingly true for everyone I knew in my year of organic chem with about 600 students, and it was true when I later TA'd it

>>9731416
>>9731446
What the fuck, my Calc professor promised us that it would get better in the second year when we will take econometrics classes and statistics.

>>9731593
Your professor is right.
I am studying maths though, so I don't know how deeply economics fags learn probability and statistics.
Linear modeliing (main thing in econometrics) is pretty neat if you study it from a heavily theoretical point of view.

>>9731619
We'll probably go balls deep in probability and statistics. Economics in my uni is heavily focused in math.

Couple weeks into calculus 1 now, doing well, already past the chain rule and beyond. Quotient rule was a joke. Product rule remains my specialty.

I ask my professor his thoughts on quantum mechanics and partial derivatives. He's impressed i know about the subject. We converse after class for some time, sharing mathematical insights; i can keep up. He tells me of great things ahead like series and laplacians. I tell him i already read about series on wikipedia. He is yet again impressed at my enthusiasm. What a joy it is to have your professor visibly brighten when he learns of your talents.

And now I sit here wondering what it must be like to be a brainlet, unable to engage your professor as an intellectual peer. All of the deep conversations you people must miss out on because you aren't able to overcome the intellectual IQ barrier that stands in the way of your academic success... it's so sad. My professor and I know each other on first name basis now, but i call him Dr. out of respect.

And yet here you brainlets sit, probably havent even made eye contact with yours out of fear that they will gauge your brainlet IQ levels.

A true shame, but just know it is because i was born special that i am special. I can't help being a genius, nor can my professor. Two of a kind is two flocks in a bush.

Organic chem for me. I went to a science-oriented school, so we didn’t have those humanities majors. Otherwise I would imagine gen chem would have weeded out just as many as orgo

>>9731783
>postiung this stale pasta
imbecile

>business major
>intro to finance

Fucking numbers man

>>9719513
anyone who has studied math over precalc could understand bowditch

fucking deckies

>>9728925
>mfw I found out I passed calc II today

for phd in particle physics
>QFT I
>experimentalists rekt
I got an A by cheating my ass off

>>9719330
Compilers and topological algebra

General physics really turns people off early on, then later a lot of people drop the major after taking the first term of Physical Chemistry and Transport theory

>>9731361
It is if you don't have any fucking clue how any of the mechanisms work. Once you learn to push electrons you can figure out most reactions and then retrosynthesis is even easier because there are multiple ways to solve every problem

>>9731332
Big rooms or what usually happens is in a huge lecture hall of 600 they break us up into groups of 30 that is lead by a ta and we take our tests there

Data Structures and Computer Organization.