/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9716420
>cs
>math
lol no

>>9716420
fuck of /g/

>>9716425
>>9716427
This is the cancer of this board.
Whether CS is a science or not is neither here, nor there, it is useful in its application and required in today's STEM due to the need for high powered computation that a human brain couldn't handle.

>>9716425
CS theory is literally only math

>>9716425
>>9716427
buttmad mathematicians detected

>>9716425
fpbp

>>9716420

>>9716445
non scientist detected you need math in many fields

>>9716420

pretty much. Mathfags need to cope somehow though.

>>9716420
No, if people weren't too brainlet-tier to wrap (jejejej) their heads around topology then technological progress would probably skyrocket. A lot of math is only deemed useless because normies are too intellectually lazy to give them due consideration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9RsOPZuh70

>>9716433
Why is no one responding me? :(
It's a good point, please respond.

>>9716475
Here's your (You)

>>9716476
:)

>>9716420
Is it true that CSfags can induce the MergeSort algorithm empirically, unlike Mathematicians, who have to deduce it from first principles?

>>9716483
>shitting on mergesort again
oh boy never seen that one before

Wut? The theoretical parts of cs are never used for anything. You can do all the practical parts of it without knowing more than a minimum of the theory and the rest almost never comes up.

>>9716483
CS majors are unable to naturally come up with mergesort on their own

>>9716548
what theorems have you come up with on your own?

>>9716548
that screencap is literally completely correct, I seriously doubt you'd be able to come up with mergesort on your own.

>>9716548
what algorithms have you come up with on your own?

>>9716565
>>9716569
I had an exam for a fourth year discrete math course. I naturally came up with mergesort to answer the question.

Mergesort is super intuitive to anyone who understands computational complexity.

Suck it AGP's

>>9716573
Pics or it didn't happen

>>9716573
>things that never happened

>>9716573
What was the question? Also, gj coming up with something half a century after it's invention has been recorded.

>>9716579
>>9716586
>>9716587
>>9716565
>>9716566
>>9716569
CS are this salty that they think mergesort is non-trivial

>>9716595
lol, what tf are you doing if your 4th year discrete math course has questions to which the answers are 'mergesort'?

>>9716595
>That pic
You don't need graph theory for shit in actual applications. Sure, there are graphs all over the fucking place, but you just use them as a convenient way to organize and traverse data and use some algorithms, the theory is hardly relevant.
I took an optional class that was super heavy on graph theory and just ditched it since most of it wasn't useful (and also the professor was an asshole who not only had use take classes on Saturdays at 7am, but also took stupidly hard exams where 95% failed).

>>9716595
If merge sort is so easy then why do we have all the jobs? Checkmate stemfags.

>>9716620
>You don't need graph theory for shit
false
>in actual applications
Oh ok you are just a shitty software engineer
> stupidly hard exams where 95% failed).
Excuses brainlet

>>9716548
I’ve always posted in defense of csfags and disliked the seemingly unfounded mockery, but this post and it’s replies really do confirm that they are figurative monkeys.

>>9716748
Tell me where you have ever used graph theory, I'll wait.
Even in research based on networks it never comes up past the super basic stuff.

>>9716748
>shitty software engineer
Do people not realize how important good programmers are to human society?

>>9716768
The same people who appreciate the "contributions" engineers make to society.

>>9716777
this

>>9716777
except software engineers contributions are actually remembered lol

>>9716420
>Informatics
>Information Mathematics
Sounds a bit like CS is (in part) a specialized variant of Applied Mathematics, doesn't it.
>"the math that is actually useful"

>>9718928
>Informatics
>Information Mathematics
[CITATION NEEDED]

>>9716420
CS is neither math nor is it useful.

>>9716566
>I seriously doubt you'd be able to come up with mergesort on your own.
I doubt that it would be out of a CS students grasp (who has taken a class on computational complexity).

>>9718939
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science#Etymology

>>9718954
CS students find calc II hard

Hell they even find linear algebra hard. If they find linear algebra hard how can you expect them to come up with mergesort on their own?

>>9716548
quick sort is a much more intuitive algorithm imho and in most cases it's more efficient

I really doubt someone would independently come up with merge sort before quick sort

>>9718962
>I really doubt someone would independently come up with merge sort before quick sort
Any 12 year boy who knows how tournament brackets work can figure out mergesort.

>>9716475
Suck a dick insecure faggot
Your point was neither rigourous nor poignant. Stop taking up space. Acknowledge the fact that your (you) begging makes hou a cocksucking normie that causes Perlman to be dissapointed

>>9718955
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science#Etymology
>terms derived from contracted translations of the expression "automatic information" (e.g. "informazione automatica" in Italian) or "information and mathematics" are often used
It's not clear that Informatics is derived from 'information *and* mathematics' rather than 'automatic information'.

>>9718960
Accidentally when posed a sorting problem and some constraints?

math is a tool, anyone who studies a tool is a tool himself.

>>9716433
This is the cancer of this board.
Whether cooking is a science or not is neither here, nor there, it is useful in its application and required in today's STEM due to the need for highly nutritious sustenance that a human brain couldn't produce on its own.

>>9719056
Agreed, gastronomy is one of the most important fields today.

>>9718964
Easy to comprehend =/= easy to come up with

I’m not arguing that’s mergesort is the hardest ever or even that it’s hard, but robust algorithms are generally a fair amount of work to formulate

t. Math and CS double major who took the graduate algorithms (proof, analysis, and design) course