/sci/ - Science & Math

Elon looks much better now than he did then.

>>9709658
Feynmann probably fucked your mother

I know some heart drop qts that are pretty smart.

>>9709703
why is feynmann such a slut?

>>9709703
Feynman complains in his biography that really attractive women, the women all men want, were not into him at all. Super attractive normie women think science guys are all weirdos.

Men can be handsome and intelligent. Women on the other hand can only attain one or the other.

>>9709709
This is often true
I have a PhD in chem and was always the smart nerdy kid. I am very manly looking but I faced a shit ton of anti-intellectualism from women being rejected with claims that I was 'too deep' for them, or when I say anything sciencey they just go "Ewwww!" and give me a really mean dirty look
Always I feel like I hit the lottery now.
My current gf is smokin hot and thinks me being a scientist is hot.

i guess my point is they're not all dumb bitches

>>9709658
I consider myself as a 7.8/10

After all, I can not give a real opinion since the beauty is subjective.
I had met guys that are intelligent and handsome, all in one

>Also
Anyone else here finds him kinda interesting and, well, attractive?

>>9709721
Seconded. I think beauty and intelligence should be worked together.

Also, we should find awoman, not a brainlet bitch.

>>9709721
My gf has an IQ of 125, but isn't particularly intellectual or interested in nerdy things, unless it's related to her job, but she is bright and has a strong sense of right and wrong. I actually like that about her, it's nice to shut myself out and be a normie with her. She is a very loving, caring person, and her main goal is to be a great mother to our children and a good wife to me (when we marry).

>>9709745
>tfw you realize there are other important factors than intelligence

>tfw no high IQ trap gf(bf)
If only traps weren't roasties in male (female) form

>>9709658
They aren't

It is a societal filtering problem. If you filter for intelligence first, attractiveness isn't as important and doesn't skew the distribution, for example in math and science jobs.

If you look at anything to do with visual media (where the person is shown) or management, looks consciously and subconsciously motivate hiring. So these 'fields' have a disproportionate amount of attractive people in them.


Go to the grocery store and look around. Most people are butt ugly and not very bright.

>>9709783
>It is a societal filtering problem. If you filter for intelligence first, attractiveness isn't as important and doesn't skew the distribution, for example in math and science jobs.
>If you look at anything to do with visual media (where the person is shown) or management, looks consciously and subconsciously motivate hiring. So these 'fields' have a disproportionate amount of attractive people in them.
You're missing something here. The people in the former group are more intelligent than the latter group in your example. If selecting for intelligence leads to you getting extremely intelligent people that are ugly, you're only supporting op.

>>9709794
If intelligence and attractiveness are a random bell curve distribution then the chance of someone being both smart and attractive is extremely unlikely. The only reason dumb and ugly correlate is because they can both be the result of the same birth defects.

>>9709803
applies to lots of other fields too
musicians used to be a much uglier lot before pop culture and marketing took over

>>9709794
1. you are assuming that the intelligent people are disproportionately ugly, they aren't they are average (statistical distribution)

2. You're assuming that intelligent people only breed with other intelligent people. This is simply not true

>>9709807
Yeah.

>>9709819
you're assuming intelligence and attractiveness are independent variables (they aren't)

>>9709824
[Citation needed]

>>9709822
>>9709807

modern pop musicians = sex objects

this is why the behind the scenes people are always hideous CHUDS

>>9709830
first link I found
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201012/beautiful-people-really-are-more-intelligent
ugliness often indicates some sort of genetic flaw or environmental problem (malnutrition, fetal alcohol syndrome, etc). it makes sense: we want to fuck people with high fitness. that is not to say, of course, that they are 100% correlated.
>>9709833
there's a selection bias there too. people who stay behind the scenes tend to be people you would actively NOT want to put on a stage.

>>9709843
This are different extremes anon

low IQ is associated with being unattractive. You know fucking mouth breathers and shit.

High IQ isn't such a strong correlation, but I would put money on mid range ~120 IQ has the highest positive correlation with attractiveness.

>>9709843
>Links to an opinion piece with no data backing.
Wow I am so amazed right now by your ability to google.

>>9709722
Gauss in that picture just looks like an average old man to me

>>9709866
Don't you dare say that about Gauss the Bauss. The reason that man has mutton chops is because the pussy kept getting caught in his beard.

>>9709850
yeah like I said, they're not 100% correlated
there are also correlations in the other direction: ugly people (men mostly) have to work harder to attract a mate, and so they are more incentivized to intellectual work and to breed with intellectual people. and of course in today's climate lots of people don't take you as seriously if you're extraordinarily attractive.
>>9709855
yeah look it up yourself asshole, I'm not your personal reference librarian

>>9709722
>beauty is subjective
objectively incorrect

>>9709878
>I can talk out my ass whenever I want and you can't call bullshit because I never have facts to back it up.
Oh well then enjoy yourself.

>>9709707
Don't confuse alpha males with slut females

>>9709709
>Super attractive normie women
Correction - murrican normie women.

>that jawline
>that cool and badass expression
Solid 9/10.

>>9709881
No, but attractiveness is. That's why scores of women pick men like pic related over pretty boys and male models. You can objectively define beauty, then you'll see a super model with a guy that looks like he had 5 rounds with a gorilla.

>>9709722
>7.8
>.8
>that effort in getting the extreme decimal point
Lost. You should be a 4.5/10 at most.

>>9709894
beautiful women don't choose ugly guys BECAUSE they're ugly, they choose them because of other factors ($$$)

>>9709939
Except these women are multimillionaires already. A lot of women want men that look like savages that could, or at least look they could, beat the fuck out of other men. Women want masculine looking men not twinks you faggot.

>>9709939
Hyper masculinity (huge jaws, hunter eyes, protruding foreheads, large heads, balding) =/ ugliness.

>>9709948
masculine != ugly
all you're demonstrating is that masculine beauty is different from feminine beauty. I don't use the same criteria to select a car as I do a kitchen knife, that doesn't mean I don't have a standard of beauty for either.

I think Newton and Da Vinci looked good. Newton was probably really uncomfortable to be around with though. He looks tense even from his paintings. He was probably turbo autist.

Now, Da Vinci is a man I would gladly hit the bars with. No homo though.

>>9709970
you'll be glad to know they're both allegedly homosexual. not sure why you mentioned da vinci next to newton though as only one of them did anything other than paint

>>9709976
Well, Da Vinci painted and studied botanics and architecture, played a few musical instruments and wrote and consumed writings. In my conception, if he is not smart, then he is at least "intellectually ambitious", which is good for me.

because comprehending the true nature of reality is stressful, and stress causes wrinkles

>>9709976
>9709976
No problem with them being homo. Would still chat with and hang out.

Thing is, would they chat and hang out with me?

there is no causal relationship between intelligence and sexiness beyond a very low level of intelligence (ie one being intelligent enough to groom oneself).

there is no causal relationship between intelligence and attractiveness of physical features beyond a very low level of intelligence (ie one being intelligent enough to groom oneself).

>>9709992
Seen the maths and physics departments of top universities over the past 100 years? Everyone in the group photographs look like troglodytes. Pick the 100 top geniuses in maths and science, and they're almost all ugly looking fuckers.

>>9709998
out of shape, maybe. stressed, yes. but genetically ugly? no way.

>>9709992
Both intelligence and being physically good looking typically increase sexiness. At least because intelligence correlates with wealth.

So one might expect mating to assort that more intelligent people in a population have more attractive partners as well and thus their children tend to be more intelligent and attractive on average.

>>9710014
But you have diminishing returns that reverse after a point.
If we're talking about the uber-intelligence asocial savants that quietly work in dark corners of laboratories and universities, their higher intelligence at some point tends to just comes across as autism and makes it difficult for them to form relationships.

>>9710025
that's hollywood
super smart people are often great at forming friendships because they are conscientious, have good memories, and have useful skills they can help those friends with

>>9709658
pic unrelated

They put all their ability points in int instead of cha

>>9710263
/thread

Genius tier post

I was looking at his vampire tooth and then I noticed his Freddy Krueger shit and recalled that he hired Eric Weinstein after the guy tried to steal my theory
>The Truth About Geometric Unity
>http://www.vixra.org/abs/1307.0075

>be rich af
>pay people to do shit
why do people think Elon musk is a genius?

>>9709658
>I know pic related are smart cuz they say they are and they have lots of money.

Nikola Tesla was 6'2'' (huge back then) and very good looking but died a virgin by choice lmfao

>tfw 2smart4pussy

>>9709658
Everyone has the same innate ability to achieve intelligence: ugly people are just forced to develop their intelligence more.

>>9710311
Same with Isaac Newton and Alan Turing. Probably because they were fags but Tesla was into fucking birds.

>>9710346
>surely if i work hard enough I can achieve the levels of Newton etc. The post.

>>9710349
Why does everyone say that. I'm yet to see a single news clipping or quote from anyone other than assblased autists that even hints at him having physical relations with a pigeon

>>9710464
fuck newton I wanna be grothendieck (minus the anti-war and autism)

>>9710346
this is the dumbest post i've ever read

>>9709658
Neither of these two is generally considered ugly. They don't look like topmodels either, but then again who does? I'd say scientists aren't uglier than athletes on average, or any other people with a very above average talent in any field.

>>9709658
elon musk is a good looking dude after he had his 6 gorillian dollar hair transplant.

>>9709658

a larger brain, still an organ, uses alot of a calories to maintain, with the ability to survive beyond the physical and environmental constraints, there is no longer the evolutionary requirement for external physical prowess,

only residual requirement is for low IQ females wanting physically superior males as mates, your opinion on what is ugly is informed on that basis

The insecurity and bullshit storytelling in this thread are overwhelming

>>9709658
Cuz I haven't taken a shower in five days

>>9710346
lol idiocy, the post.

Intelligence is largely predetermined, and its not something you can hone.

>>9710700
>intelligence is largely predetermined
[Citation needed]

>>9710703
[Request denied]

>>9709998
>top geniuses in shut-in professions are not the pick of the litter in attractiveness
People choose the career path that suits them. Smart and good loking people become business executives, entertainers or politicians, smart and ugly people become academic professionals, scientists or public servants, while the stupid and ugly fight for trade jobs (men) or service jobs (women).

It´s not that there aren´t any smart people in business, or good looking people in academia - fate simply finds a way to place us all in a place where we encounter sufficiently low friction.

>>9710294
Musk was accepted into a PhD in physics program at a top American university. He´s not dumb.

>>9710703
[every academic paper that is not your "iq is pseudoscience" tripfag-tier london taxicab popsci garbage spewing]

>>9709658
Because all women are stupid. Fair trade

>>9709658
wtf lol

>>9709701
How is this related?

>>9710629
Athletes are pretty attractive, at least the male ones. Men and women both have a sort of masculine to feminine ratio and manly men are just plain hot to women while men often like almost childishness in women. Too bad so sad athletes are more attractive. Hell even in personality. Women like assertiveness not splooging nerdilly over the number 4. At least make that number your bitch. Be a man about ur maths

>>9710677
>bullshit storytelling
What bullshit storytelling?

>>9710716
That's not the name of one anon

>>9710700
>Intelligence is largely predetermined, and its not something you can hone.
Just admit you are a person with very few accomplishments and that you have a low self-esteem, but you took an IQ test and scored okay, now you use that as a means to make yourself feel superior and to fill that black hole of insecurity in your soul.

>>9709760
This is a tragedy. Traps are total sluts

>>9709760
>high IQ
>trap

>>9710754
That's why I included the "if only" part

>>9709658
>>9709705
>>9709713
>>9709722
>>9709733

>They don't know about the positive correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence.

http://personal.lse.ac.uk/Kanazawa/pdfs/I2011.pdf

>>9710770
Intelligence is not being smart.
The truly smart people who discover stuff are not good looking. They're ugly.

>>9709722
>beauty is subjective

>>9709803
>>9709819
>>9709824
>>9709830

see

>>9710770

>>9709658
Is that Jeremy Kyle on the left?

>>9710722
>Usain Bolt
>Shaun White
>Anthony Davis
>Williams sisters

the list goes on and on and on. Athletes are most definetely not prettier than a random sample of the population, few of them look really pretty, few look goddamn hideous, and most inbetween.

The only famous people that look above average good are people working in the entertainment industry, and that is because good looks is basically part of the job description there.

>>9710859
You are probably an autist that has never had a gf or a kiss, except from your mother, so I'll forgive you for being so clueless. Women don't operate entirely on looks when it comes to finding men attractive and ESPECIALLY not the same way men do. A strong, vigorous athlete, symbolises and tingles something inside the psyche (and vagina) of women that goes back tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and probably millions of years to our ancestors.

This is why I find you /r9k/ autists so funny, you know the guys that analyse facial symmetry and a bunch of other shit, while complaining you don't have the same features and can therefore never find a girl. Meanwhile some guy that looks like the Grug meme is slaying pussy, while you sit on your arse complaining.

>>9710879
Ad hominem spam doesn't show your insecurities at all, buddy.

Okay, keep thinking somebody who looks like Anthony Davis gets a lot of girls, it is your right to be retarded.

>>9709658
Because intelligence is tied to bad looks.

>>9710879
>Meanwhile some guy that looks like the Grug meme is slaying pussy, while you sit on your arse complaining.
They're stupid girls for having sex with him. I don't want to bang stupid girls.

>>9710879
It's obviously true that looks aren't everything, but that doesn't change the fact that most atheletes don't look good. A rich and famous scientist will also get tons of pussy, doesn't change the fact he's ugly af.

>>9710899
>t-t-they m-m-must be stupid!!! That's why I'm a virgin
COPE

>>9710907
What a man does changes how women perceive them. An average looking guy being a jacked and strong athlete becomes infinitely more attractive.
>>9710895
Of course he does, he's rich as fuck and famous athlete.

>>9710921
Are you retarded or something? This thread is about looks, not about "What is attractive for women except looks".

>>9710929
You misunderstand.
What a man does INCREASES his looks to women. Women don't look at men in an entirely objective way, their perception is skewed by emotions and the social environment.

If one guy is a 5'9, chubby, and a toilet cleaner, he's very unattractive. Now tell a woman that same man has a career with prestige, influence, and power, he becomes more attractive physically INSTANTLY.

You’re telling Edward Frenkel isn’t hot?

>>9710937
This thread is about looks, retard. Looks =/= attractiveness so fuck off.

>>9710773
They don't have to be smart, they have to be social outcasts for long enough to have their wandering train of thought reach some real destination without turning them mad. Most people with active lifestyles/any life at all don't have the time nor the ability to just calm down and think, so only uglies get to LARP as smartasses because they have nothing else going for them. Even if pic related has 300 IQ, but at the same time a girlfriend, a healthy social life, keeps good contact with his family and a nice job, do you really think he's going to waste his days away thinking about some shitty math problems? Obviously not.

>>9709658

How are they ugly?

>>9709658
In short, because intelligence is malleable. Those who aren't getting any attention from girls spend all their time studying, thus increasing their reasoning ability and IQ.

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2901267-X
The posterior hippocampi of average-IQ adult subjects who passed the difficult Knowledge exam for London taxicab drivers showed significant enlargement as opposed to before they began studying for it. (The posterior hippocampus is associated with memory and spatial navigation, both of which are strongly correlated with g.) Similar effects not observed in the control group or in those who failed. Pic related.
This was actually a repeat experiment with a larger sample size, i.e. the results are reproducible. And because all subjects are already grown adults, normal brain development does not confound the study's results.
So we have hard, physically-observable, causally-linked, reproducible evidence that the brain PHYSICALLY restructures itself in response to focused training. Since intelligence is a function of brain organization, it must therefore be possible to increase intelligence just as it is possible to decrease it.

>>9710736
Not that anon, but what one achieves in life is largely up to fate - i.e. looks, intelligence and disposition, none of which the individual can massively improve upon. Free will doesn´t exist; short of a divine/magical explanation for the obstacle of "willing one´s own will", you are nothing but a puppet dancing to the tune of your neural impulses.

>>9710945
>the taxicab post
The "increases" (in a group of under 100 people, if I´m not mistaken) in IQ reported by that paper were low enough to be attributed to chance or better concentration on the part of the test-takers. Take your crusade elsewhere, you literal retard - yes, I know that you scored in the double digits on IQ-tests issued both online and in more valid (police/military) contexts.

>>9710993
I had a look through the paper and it appears they didn't even bother rerunning the IQ test post training; he's inferring they increased IQ because a small part of the brain which is partly correlated with IQ increased in size. There have been many studies done which attempt to increase IQ. Most see a minor benefit which then vanishes a short while later.

>>9709658
Why do threads like this get 100+ replies?

>>9709885
why betas tie alphaness with free sex given to women?

>>9709753
>>9709745
>yfw you realize 125 IQ is borderline brainlet

>>9711003
Because despite all the posturing, nearly all the guys here are weak dweebs that can't get a gf.

>>9710915
They're stupid for having sex with ugly people. If I was a girl I wouldn't do that.

>>9711174
What you think is ugly isn't ugly to women, you cock sucking homo.

>>9711179
Yea it is. Trust me I'm AGP trans so I have some female tendencies and I know what is hot to females.

>>9710941
Clearly ''looks'' in this thread is related to attractiveness (see the post about feynman example and overall posts bitching about women not being attracted to scientists). Not the quoted btw

>>9711188
Sure you do big guy

>>9711188
Nah, you're just a faggot.

>>9710724
Look for the
>I'm an 175 IQ married quantum physicist who has a submissive 150 IQ wife
In this thread

>>9709701
This is such a problem: Women have been hiding their genetic flaws through the use of makeup and distinct clothing for centuries and it is only been getting progressively worst. Now men are starting to do it with hair transplants.

If this trend continues, a generation will exist so ugly they will make fat neck beards look like models.

>>9711756
That was by me. I'm not a quantum physicist or any type of physicist. My IQ probably the same as hers (never had mine tested and don't care to), the difference is that I'm interested in nerdy shit and she isn't, unless it's to with her job.

>>9711791
Yeah yeah. You're like NASA. You pretend
your space(gf) exists to get your funding (You's)

>>9711806
You're never going to meet someone good with an attitude like that.

>>9709658
studies show that intelligence correlates with beauty, in particular for males

the evolution behind it is that intelligent people can gather more ressources and thus have higher sexual marketplace value, thus get more beautiful wives to bear their children, thus their offspring is both beautiful and intelligent

this is anecdotally confirmed whenever I go on campus. obesity rate is below 1%, I almost never see an obese person. people are above average tall, above average fit, above average naturally beautiful. whenever I compare people here most of which are in the top 5% of intelligence to the average person the difference is enormous

>>9711816
Indeed I hope you're right. I intend to keep my virginity forever.

>>9711791
I don't care. And this doesn't matter.

>>9709872
>The reason that man has mutton chops is because the pussy kept getting caught in his beard.


kek'd

pic related

>>9709658
the ugly ones brag about it more to make up for their ugliness, so you notice them more.

simple.

>>9710993
>yes, I know that you scored in the double digits on IQ-tests issued both online and in more valid (police/military) contexts.
>REEE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOU'RE STUPID
143 iq
139 iqtest.dk
1440 sat
330 gre
99 asvab
by the metrics you value so dearly, i'm smarter than you
should make you want to kys, yes retard?

>>9709952
>hunter eyes
what is this meme?

>>9709658
its the other way around. ugly people are intelligent. ugly people have to compensate and aren't as popular socially so they have more time and desire to study

>>9712725
This.

>>9709658
Op is ugly and he want's to state that all intelligent people are ugly so that he can feel good about his retarded ass thinking even thou he is ugly he is a very smart person .

>the absolute state of /sci/

>>9710993
>The "increases" (in a group of under 100 people, if I´m not mistaken) in IQ reported by that paper were low enough to be attributed to chance or better concentration on the part of the test-takers.
They didn't measure any IQ increases anon. You clearly didn't even glance at the study. They were measuring the physical changes in grey matter volume in the posterior hippocampus.

>Yes, I know that you scored in the double digits
All that ad hom. Ok then, you're trying desperately to blame your average IQ for your inability to succeed.
>Take your crusade elsewhere
When someone posts physically observable, reproducible evidence that you can develop your talents despite your meme IQ being low, you have to invoke a "crusading" boogeyman.
Also if your "logic" ITT is any indicator, it's highly likely I outscore you on every single IQ test or IQ test analogue.

Musk isn't intelligent.

>>9709658
If you assume intelligence and beauty are independent variables, then it should be obvious that if it's rare to be intelligent and rare to be beautiful, it'd be even more rare to be both.

I don't believe those are completely independent variables, but regardless the intuition makes sense imo

>>9710754
Trap hereeee
My IQ is about 128 :3
I was tested when I was 17. I might have a higher IQ now

>>9710754
>>9713905
High IQ people are more prone to mental illness.

>>9713905
Kill yourself you disgusting abomination of nature.
Oh wait, I don't need to tell you that since you probably will kill yourself soon enough.

>>9713939
Hey I'm not ill...

>>9713944
Trap =/= trans
Traps are cute.
Trans are disgusting

>>9711022

Fuck off that's smarter than 90% of all living humans.

>>9713939

Objectively false. In fact the opposite is true.

High IQ often means fast, healthy neurons. There's not much more to say than that.

>>9711022
>Tfw you will most likely become retarded when you become old

>>9714778
IQ is inflated by 3 points every decade. 125 of today are the 122 of 2028

>>9709658
>musk
>smart for creating paypal
right place at the right time and all that shit

>>9709701
it's called "cosmetic surgery"

>>9709998
have you ever been to such departments? have you ever been to an engineering/science/math campus? people there look normal (well, women in engineering are usually ugly... and there aren't many), and in much better shape than most people out there
>photographs
apparently not...

Blogging insecurity:The thread

You're on an anonymous anime imageboard.
Stop posting your insecurties you fags and discuss actual science.

>>9716614
hahaha insecurities? i fuck a different big titted women every day and i never gotten less than an A in both of my harvard mayors, what is there mine to be insecure about, i bet you dont even own a boat

You know how much fucking time you need to spend going to the gym, eating, and sleeping to look good?
It's really eats into your productivity time, unless you're some Chad genetic freak, in which case you never needed to be smart in the first place since you already wont at life due to how human psychology works.

>>9717207
People tell me I'm attractive but I don't put any effort into being attractive. Also, I'm pretty sure being attractive has never helped my life in any way shape or form.
Being smart or tough is much better.

>>9717203
>what is there mine to be insecure about, i bet you dont even own a boat
lold

>>9717210
If you don't leverage your gift, that's your problem. Also you probably aren't that attractive, post some mire stories if you got, but I doubt it.
Also you're probably totally oblivious to what being ugly is actually like, you're a lesser person on absolutely any social interaction, including getting jobs.

>>9709658
Their big brain deform their skull and that fucks with the face too.

>>9717223
Ok thanks, y-you too

>>9717226
i fuck faces too if you know what i mean
i mean oral sex

They're not "ugly," their grooming habits are just removed from popular trends. Elon Musk is very handsome and has good symmetry in his face, but he doesn't have the style of a celebrity.