/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9700814
>click to enable adobe flash
Why would I take something where I already know I'm smarter than the guy who made it?

>>9700830
That's it guys, end of the thread.

>>9700838
>That's it guys, end of the thread.
I'm not a "guy".

>>9700830
The questions are taken straight from a professional Raven's Matrices. This is literally an IQ test.

>>9700814
>His last thread got blown out so hard by facts and logic he deleted it

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2901267-X

The posterior hippocampi of average-IQ adult subjects who passed the difficult Knowledge exam for London taxicab drivers showed significant enlargement as opposed to before they began studying for it. (The posterior hippocampus is associated with memory and spatial navigation, both of which are strongly correlated with g.)

Similar effects not observed in the control group or in those who failed. Pic related.

This was actually a repeat experiment with a larger sample size, i.e. the results are reproducible. And because all subjects are grown adults, normal brain development does not confound the study's results.

We therefore have physically-observable, reproducible evidence that the brain PHYSICALLY restructures itself in response to focused training.
Intelligence (which is a manifestation of the brain's organization) is malleable. You become smart by doing math and science, not the other way around. You can physically alter you ability to grok proofs, perform experiments, recognize patterns, and write papers.

>>9700814
Jesus how long did you wait before your last thread died to repost this shit? go to /soc/ if you want to post small talk circlejerk threads.

>>9700858
>His last thread got blown out so hard by facts and logic he deleted it

Nah, got pruned, as always happens when I post about IQ. That study you cite is wishful thinking btw.

>>9700858
I fucking knew this thread was older than this, thought I was going crazy. Stellar work OP you didn't even change any of the words, you fucking mook
>>9700851
Sorry anonymous poster, we'll make sure to ask your gender before replying next time, faggot

>>9700870
>faggot
Why the homophobia?

>>9700870
>I fucking knew this thread was older than this, thought I was going crazy. Stellar work OP you didn't even change any of the words, you fucking mook
Do you need to swear?

>>9700875
based

OP, these are the most eminent scientists in the USA, and the median is 152, meaning about 2.6 in 10,000. Everybody in STEM is already heavily selected, so this is really not that damning.

We can guess that some of them had averages less than 145, would you have told them to get out of STEM?

>>9700875
>>9700878
Do you need to get offended by almost everything?

>>9700868
>Nah, got pruned, as always happens when I post about IQ.
Strange. These thread usually last until the bump limit. Unless I get involved, then they slide or disappear pretty quick. Funny that.

>That study you cite is wishful thinking btw.
Yeah, fMRI results showing reproducible, physically observable results are just nothing but wishes, unlike IQ """"statistics"""".

>>9700895
Do you not understand how IQ works? It's just a rank order of mental ability. Even if some trick let you do better for a while, others would learn it and the test would have to be renormed. IQ has already increased biologically (through nutrition) and culturally (through education and stimuli), but the gains are quickly absorbed by the general population. What is relevant is your *rank order* in the population, not your latent abilities, if what you care about is professional or academic success (the market will always select the highest percentile it can, other things being equal).

>>9700814
>IQtestdk
Lmao, that one is easy, try this one:
http://www.cerebrals.org/jcti/index.html

I scored 105 on that test. Should I off myself?

>>9701195
Absolutely not. We all have something worthwhile to offer society, regardless of our respective intelligence.

You should immediately go to the dentist and get your teeth pulled out. Every single one.

Then spend your days sucking off old men who no longer care if anyone knows they are homosexuals.

You make a steady income and bring blessed relief to old fags who remained in the closet for nearly all their entire sexual lives.

>>9700895
BTFO >>9700895

>>9701186
>get impatient and skip to see how many questions there were
>skip like 8
>get to end but cant return to questions
>still get 119
Fuck that test. Liked the questions but the implementation sucks

>>9700966
>Do you not understand how IQ works?
I do, but maybe you don't.

>It's just a rank order of mental ability.
If you understand that it's not an absolute indicator of intelligence, then you should agree that the OP makes absolutely zero sense. The theoretical difficulty of mathematical and logical reasoning remains constant, so if IQ's continue to rise and be continuously renormed over centuries, eventually even double-digit IQ's would be good enough for STEM.

>Even if some trick let you do better for a while, others would learn it and the test would have to be renormed.
You're still not quite grasping what's happened here. These drivers were able to specialize within a matter of years for skills personally relevant to them. Other people may elect to specialize in different areas.

Brainlet here, why is B the correct answer?

110 IQ and graduated in eletrical engineering
250k a year
Stay. Mad.

>>9700858
>a single study of london taxicab drivers refutes 100 years of research
Brainletism at its finest.

>>9700858
Congrats on rediscovering the concept of "practice," you fucking dimwit.

>>9700814

I know which study you're citing, and you're banking that people don't. Those IQ scores you cite are of eminent scientists. Also, because of the Flynn Effect, those IQ scores are all but indecipherable against today's scores. All they tell us is that scientists of that day were considerably smarter than the average malnourished adult, who would have scored about 20 points lower than an adult today on the same test.

>>9700814
>The median VERBAL IQ was 166, with a high of 177.
This is telling. Now that I have actually done some IQ research, Verbal IQ seems to influence math performance a lot more than vice versa. This ties into anecdotal experience with people who were bad at arithmetic but excellent at logic.

To add to >>9702574 As for how to interpret those scores, you can't compare them to today's scores, as the distributions are different, and no you can't just shift the distributions over when you account fo the Flynn effect. You would have to renorm the entire test with at least 10000 if not more random people.

>>9701971
You broke the norm. Only CSfags brag of their pittance wagecuckery. I recommend you restart your engineering degree and slob on a physicists knob before proceeding. You won't ever make it passed this stage.

>>9700814
Disappointing to see Elitist attitudes promulgating.

Not all scientists are geniuses. Some are amazing methodical workers and some are incredibly creative.

Plus a lot of people that study STEM end up as backroom technicians and assistants.

Room for everyone, buddy.

>>9701971
Damn and I thought I was hopeless for being a low 120s IQ having nigger, guess I too can be a Hero

>>9700814
But what if I'm curious about how and why the world works? Curiosity keeps me up at night.

>>9702623
I have a 115IQ friend who went for CS and he too is comfy as fuck.
Face it. /sci/'s IQ pseudoscience bullshit is retarded. What is going to take you to sucess is discipline and dedication.
If you think that the capacity of someone is solely determined by a random number they cannot change then I would like you to take a look at most CEOs and bosses right now. A lot of brainlets among them and they got there anyway(unless nepotism happened, which in that case they can go fuck themselves).

IQ is a meme.
Discipline is your biggest friend.
Life is as easy as you want it to be.

>>9702846

>I would like you to take a look at most CEOs and bosses right now. A lot of brainlets among them

>A lot of brainlets among them

Most of them attended prestigious universities like Stanford and Yale

>>9702833
Ignore these people, curiosity is more important to cultivate than intelligence in my opinion. Intelligence follows from curiosity most times as you generally learn and discover new ways to become curious. The difference is curiosity is a trait that is very easy to get rewards from, the more you put in the more you find out, and does not exist as a status symbol to inflate someones ego. So culture it and watch it bear fruit to grow until you have a garden of a mind rich in ideas and information.

Keep your curiosity, it's a precious thing.

>>9702859
because daddy paid for it

listen guys it is above average IQ + hard work = success

or daddy's bank account and a knack for bullshitting (looking at POTUS)

>>9702846
>yamcha
>friends
Damn it anon LARP is found on /x/

>>9702512
Congrats on being this fucking dense. The study shows that improvements from practice are not necessarily constrained by innate intelligence. This, of course, is a nuance lost on you.

My IQ is 75 should I kill myself?

>>9702910
someone has to do the cleaning. cheer up.

>>9702910
Intelligence stat is too low to recognize the freedom associated with suicide. You are an ideal candidate to be working at wal mart for the rest of your life. Remember it is a career, not a J-O-B.

>>9700814
My question is, how old were the scientists being tested? IQ increases with experience.

>>9702623
>passed

thanks for the kek retard

>>9702890
Doesn't matter. Innate intelligence is so overwhelming that people's scores as children match their scores as adults to a shocking degree. You just want minds to be more flexible than they are because your biological limitations are too painful to accept.

>>9702953
No it doesn't, actually. It declines steadily with age.

>>9700814
then why am I smarter at 30 than I was at 21?

>>9703004
IQ is just where your mentality ability ranks within the general population. It's doubtful your place in the overall hierarchy has changed over time.

>>9703000
source?

>>9703016
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/016402758131002

>>9700814
I am a physics major with an IQ of 142 at a top Ivy League university.

Should I seriously drop out of STEM and do something else? I don't want to be mediocre, I want to be the best and maybe my fears about me never achieving greatness in STEM are confirmed.

The only thing that makes me stand out from everyone at this institution is really my memory. I have really remarkable recall and everyone, my professors too, always comment multiple times how good I am at reciting stuff from memory and recalling distant details and making connections between two things.

I know great working memory is incredibly helpful in sciences, but I don't think I have the innate problem solving talent to really make me a star.

What career path would my memory skills best serve?

I am ENTJ and am thinking maybe a career as a medical researcher isn't for me because I'm too low IQ. SAD!

>>9703060
>Should I seriously drop out of STEM and do something else?

Yes. You're going to hit a wall eventually if you haven't already, and the hyper-competitive market is going to eat you alive.

>>9703072
Then what should I do for a career anon?

And what makes you think I'm going to hit a wall? Because I'm too low IQ?

>>9702998
Why do you people insist on pointing this shit out again and again? Do you really have nothing better to do with that big brain of yours than to spend all day "proving" to me that I'm worthless and inferior? Yeah, I get it, you're better than me, but at the end of the day I'm the one paying for my education so I'll study whatever the hell I want.

If you missed a question on the GRE you shouldn't be in STEM.
>>9703060
Unironically yes. Job security doesn't exist, pay is shit, and you're far better off in an industrial career than research.

>>9703121
>If you missed a question on the GRE you shouldn't be in STEM.

Quant or verbal or both?

I got a perfect quant score but my verbal was barely 99th percentile.

>>9702998
>You just want minds to be more flexible than they are because your biological limitations are too painful to accept.
Appeal to motive.
When you're ready to argue using facts and logic instead of fallacy, here's the study you need to debunk >>9700858 >>9700895

>>9700814
How can one person be this insecure as to post this shit every few days?

>>9703121
I want to be a medical researcher in industry (e.g. pharma). Is this a meme idea?

>>9703179
no

but you'll be doing some evil shit at one point or another

but hey, they pay well

>>9703121
>If you missed a question on the GRE you shouldn't be in STEM.
well aren't you a forgiving person

what if you were just having an off day?

The idea of anyone scoring below 140 on an IQ test is fucking revolting to me. This is why I can't hang around normies, ever. (155, if you're curious.)

>>9703179
It's not meme, there just aren't many of those positions and you'll need to be pretty well established. Having your PharmD and a PhD in a biomedical field is a good idea, that's what my old advisor did.

>>9703185
>evil shit
w-what do you mean anon

>>9703189
It's the GRE. It's 100 or so trivially easy questions that require you to know the definition of "insolent" or what a standard deviation is. There is no excuse for an imperfect score.

>>9703190
Maybe your just a self centred arrogant dick who can't appreciate anything else

There are lots of dumb nice people (150, PhD chemist if you're interested) and lots of evil smart people

>>9703196
I've never taken a GRE, I didn't need to to get into school (i'm not american).

I have a PhD in chem and an IQ of 150. So I'm assuming i'd kill the GRE, but still. Smart people can have brain farts sometimes. we are still human after all

>>9703060
LMFAO

go major in history if you're only good at memorizing shit

literally no careers need people with good memories when we have google you fucking brainlet

>>9703203
That was harsh but I have to agree.

Science and math require creativity and problem solving. Memory is helpful, but not sufficient.

>>9703203
It's ogre :(

rip my brain
>>9703209
t-then what career do i pursue to make use of my exceptional memory

>>9703218
Engineering

You don't have to discover new things, you just have to be an encyclopedia of the best known ways of doing things and their equations.

plus it pays well and you get a faggy iron ring

>>9700814
This is why I don't officially get to into STEM, I'm curious and dedicated enough to learn but at best average intelligence so I would just be in the way of smarter people, like I'd be in the way in the World Cup finals. Best just to take interest and observe the real players.

>>9703225
Do you know what your IQ is?

>>9703121
>tfw missed 1 question on quant section
may as well give up on life now

>>9701429
left to right
cols go right by 1.
x -> o
o -> triangle
triangle -> x

Dont know where the first row comes from but dont need it for an answer. those niggers also decided to rotate the rightmost matrix to generate the next rows left matrix which is a complete red herring.

>>9703222
Sounds like any undergraduate STEM degree including pure math

>>9703196
I come from an uneducated blue collar family and never heard of that word before growing up, but have a high IQ.

Being born smart doesn’t automatically mean you are born knowing words like that. You still have to be taught what those words are.

When it comes to math, I can learn it very rapidly and love abstract proofs.

>>9700814
I've an iq of 124 and i'm in stem, suck my cock faggot.
>b-but you won't win a noble prize
I don't care.

>>9703633
>124

*breathes in*

>>9703649
yeah i know, basically a a vegetable by /sci/ standards where 140 is the norm.

>>9700814
You know what? Fuck you. You're asking us to take a Raven's matrices test and then have us assume that the result implies what we would score on the tests you cite. You try to force this assumption on us by appeal to authority.

Why not post the original tests and let us take those?

>>9703734
Raven's correlates with other IQ tests to a very high degree, and correlates with IQ higher than all but a couple of tests. You can look up all the correlations online.

>>9703782
You're right. My bad.

>>9703782
We're a few correlations away from reality here though. You or OP want us to decide whether we continue a STEM career based on this chain of correlations. Here's a thought, why don't you fuck off?

>>9704172
Are you >>9703782, replying to your own post as if you were me?

>>9700858
That's gaming the test since an important section of the IQ test is the section where you solve problems of a kind you presumably have never seen before. Of course the score is inflated, but it's also meaningless.
The brain enlargement is nothing more than the well known concept of practicing and using your brain if you don't want it to die on you.

is my result bad ?

>>9704373
You're basically retarded by sci standards.

>>9700814
>>9704434

How likely is it that someone with an IQ of over 130 would shitpost here?

>>9704674
That would be 1 faggot.

>>9704678
>135 IQ
>homophobic

>>9700814
The most interesting thing about this thread is OP's motivation. What is he trying to accomplish?

>>9700814
I failed STEM sorry, Anon

>>9700814
You can work in STEM with an average IQ just expect to be doing someone grunt work.

>>9703060
top kek I am 90% sure I know who you are. Get on tinychat

>>9704674

>>9700814
>website breaks before I can even start
Why should I trust this?

>>9701429
>>9703565

I scored around 150 IQ in irl tests at respectively 6, 13, and 21 and didn't get this

Guess i was a brainlet all along

>>9700814
3 scientists have won Nobel prizes in biology and physics with confirmed IQ scores in a range of 125 to 133.
Think on that and kill yourself for being a loser with no accomplishments despite boasting about IQ.

>>9704695
Make himself feel better and superior. Op is some obese loser that lashes out on the internet in anonymity because in real life people walk all over him.

>>9707517
Who are those 3 scientists? source?

I know Richard Feynman had 135 IQ, but I didn't know there were nobel laureates with IQs lower

>>9707856
James Watson (125), Louis Alverez (below 135, the exact number isn't known, but he failed the terman school entrance exam which had a 135 cut off), and William Shockley (had taken two IQ tests one year apart with scores 129 and 125).
Alvarez in particular was behind a shit ton of discoveries, in and outside of physics.