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9699190 No.9699190 [Reply] [Original]

On the topic of conspiracy theories and legitimate science.

I asked myself a question today. Is there any scientific discovery that would likely be covered up and/or suppressed?

Can you think of examples?

I think anything that seriously endangers the whole automobile and petroleum refining industry would be in danger of that. Just look at the list of the biggest companies in the world. The planet basically runs on oil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_revenue

Completely unrelated: The discovery of hostile aliens (or aliens with unknown agendas). Many conspiracy theorists say that's the reason we stopped going to the moon. And I agree that this certainly would be a sufficient reason. Nobody will give a shit if NASA discovers some planet 1400 lightyears away with an atmosphere that contains life. But in our direct vicinity - people would freak the fuck out and demand some retarded actions.

>> No.9699194

African being genetically inferior cognitively.

>> No.9699273
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9699273

Women being dumb.
Circumcision being harmful to children.
Rapefugees ruining countries.
Jews ruining countries.

>> No.9699282

>>9699190
Anything that goes to show that the government supporting promiscuity is terrible for western civillization and women.

>> No.9699283

>>9699190
No. Science is about observing reality. You can't stop everyone from observing reality and testing it.

>> No.9699284

>>9699283
You are a very naive boy.

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>>9699283
>You can't stop everyone from observing reality and testing it.

How about you test for me what is on the other side of our moon?

>> No.9699325

>>9699319
Obviously there's a secret nazi base, and anyone that says differently is a paid shill that is covering up the truth. Astronomers and physicists are being paid to lie. There is no other possibility.

>> No.9699357

>>9699190
My friend who agrees with me that the earth is flat told me that we live in a binary star system

t. disillusioned natural scientist

>> No.9699383

>>9699325
Strawman.

>> No.9699410

>>9699190
Sure.
A way to build nuclear explosives out of common household materials.
You wouldn't want even the IDEA that it's possible leaking. People would start searching furiously.

I'm not suggesting this is real. But it's an example.

>> No.9699425

>>9699410
You can build a sub critical reactor at home.

You need to isolate and purify uranium from fertilizer, which takes a shit ton of fertilizer and lots of time.

You then scavenge americium from smoke detectors and use their emission to hit a aluminium foil which will in turn produce the neutrons needed to begin fission.

You will get arrested if you try this.

>> No.9699429

>>9699190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hug0rfFC_L8

>> No.9699445

>>9699325
>Astronomers and physicists are being paid to lie.

How many astronomers and physicists have the means to directly observe the backside of the moon?

It's not like every astronomy department has its own satelite orbiting the moon.

>> No.9699451

Flat earth to hide more land/resources/intelligent design etc.

Nukes doesn't real, just used as a psychological weapon.

>> No.9699457
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>>9699451
>Nukes doesn't real

>> No.9699464

>>9699457
They're not real kid, at the very least the science behind them is bullshit.

>> No.9699476

>>9699429

>Does it affect rich/powerful people?
>If yes, most likely not true.

Thanks. That's the dumbest shit I heard this week. It literally only works with the examples given in the video.

>The assassination of Kennedy
Did it affect rich/powerful people. Lol, yeah. Most likely - in a positive way.

>9/11
Did it affect rich/powerful people. Yeah. It did. Some of them quite substantially.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jKyd0eTd0

>> No.9699479

>>9699464
lol

dumbfuck

radiochemistry and nuclear physics are a lie?

you are an example of how stupid society really is.

>> No.9699601

>>9699479
Radioactive materials aren't even bad for you, it was only until nuclear power stations became a thing that suddenly they were the most dangerous things ever.

>> No.9699606

>>9699601
So go swallow some polonium, fag

>> No.9699612

>>9699601
lol

wow

bad troll or stupid as fuck?
Hard to tell

>> No.9699618

>>9699612
If radiations were dangerous you would die by exposing yourself to the sun you mong.

>> No.9699626

>>9699618
That's called skin cancer, my dude, ever heard of it?

>> No.9699628

>>9699618
lol

all photons are the same!
Beta particles are just PHOTONS
Alpha particles are just PHOTONS


does it hurt to be so fucking stupid?

>> No.9699629

>>9699626
>That's called skin cancer, my dude, ever heard of it?
I walk 1 hour everyday under the sun and I've never had a problem.
Step out of the house and stop drinking onions.

>> No.9699631

>>9699629
>I walk 1 hour everyday under the sun and I've never had a problem.
And I drink several glasses of water a day and haven't drowned, what's your point?

>> No.9699634

>>9699628
There was this article.
Apparently they made some apartments with contaminated radioactive material.
Residents had lower rates of cancer.

>> No.9699636

>>9699629
You should be permabanned from /sci/ if you havent at the very least attended a STEM field on college

>> No.9699637

>>9699631
>And I drink several glasses of water a day and haven't drowned, what's your point?
What's your point for making useless statements?

>> No.9699641

>>9699636
Thank you but I value my time I am watching tv w ith my gf.
Go back to solving equations for minimum wage turbo autist.

>> No.9699642

>>9699634
THat is not a valid scientific experimenet?

What was their exposure? Want type of radiation?
Alphas aren't dangers at all unless the emitter is inside your body.

>> No.9699644

>>9699637
That's what I'm asking you.

>> No.9699647

>>9699642
>What was their exposure? Want type of radiation?
I don't know.
I have tried to source that but I can't find it.

>> No.9699649

I was going to make a comment about how I refuse anybody on /sci/ is seriously as retarded as some of the claims being made ITT suggest, but the fact that people are taking this bait leads me to believe otherwise.

>> No.9699652

>>9699647
then you can't come to any conclusions anon.

science is hard

>> No.9699657

>>9699641
Hey bud, i'm not this guy

>>9699636
but I agree with him


For the record i'm a successful chemist with a PhD and a real job.

And I guarantee my smokin hot gf is more attractive than the ditch pig you have waiting for you on your couch.

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>>9699657
>And I guarantee my smokin hot gf is more attractive than the ditch pig you have waiting for you on your couch.
I know, life can be unfair.
I bet you're a great guy don't let adversities bring you down.

>> No.9699670

>>9699606
You actually can, it won't do anything.

>> No.9699671

>>9699670
no, you'll die

and horribly

>> No.9699675

>>9699670
So do it

>> No.9699678

>>9699670
read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

>> No.9699682

>>9699190
>Is there any scientific discovery that would likely be covered up and/or suppressed?
>Can you think of examples?
After the guy came up with the theory of geological plate tectonics the government suppressed his research for ten years because the theory explained some weird background sounds in deployed military sonar.

>> No.9699684

>>9699273
>>9699194
>>9699190
>>9699282
>All of my political opinions.

>> No.9699689

>>9699671
Nope.

>>9699675
No, you.

>>9699678
Fail, he had lead poisoning, plutonium-210 is bullshit.

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>>9699273
>Circumcision being harmful to children.

>> No.9699694

>>9699678

he had thallium poisoning you fucking dolt

>> No.9699697

>>9699694
>>9699689

>He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome.

I'm assuming your not illiterate because you're reading these posts

>> No.9699698

>>9699689
literally no one credible takes lead poisoning seriously as an explanation for his death

>> No.9699704

>>9699697
>believing the government story

>>9699698
Thallium you mong

>> No.9699709

>>9699704
Ok even assuming you are correct which you have zero credibility because you're a dipshit

this does not mean that polonium-210 won't kill you if you eat it.

I Dare you to prove me wrong by eating 10mg of it.

>> No.9699721

>>9699709
>>9699704
Do it you fucking pussy

>> No.9699723

>>9699194
This is so obvious to anyone who has been to subsaharan africa

>> No.9699735

>>9699709
Yes I am correct. This guy eats U3O8, skip to 1h 13m: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMqHTbXm3rs

>> No.9699737

>>9699464
Guess we should tell all those japanese people who were incinerated or lived on/died with radiation poisoning.

>> No.9699741

>>9699190
It is quite well known that the NSA has been hindering public research on cryptology from the start. They tried to simply ban a crypto conference (although that failed) and used the classification of "(strong enough) cryptography as munitions" to stop publications. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States .
Of course, the NSA doesn't publish the research from their own cryptographers either.

Additionally, if it turns out that we can construct quantum computers to effectively solve the discrete log problem for current key-sizes, I wouldn't be surprised if some agency like the NSA got it earlier than the first public of these computers. (Before you ask, no, the D-Wave is not such a computer)

>> No.9699743

>>9699636
A thousand times this

>> No.9699744

>>9699735
>U3O8
EAT 10mg of POLONIUM 210

Dosage is a function of the concentration and activity of the radionuclide you fucking stupid cunt.

You have no idea how radiation works, you are a stain on humanity

>> No.9699755

>>9699737
>japanese people who were incinerated

They were firebombed you uneducated fool

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9699756

>>9699723
>Ignoring possible as well as known confounding variables is not disingenuous if it enables me to push my political agenda

>> No.9699760

>>9699744
I have you dumb bastard, it doesn't do shit. Get an education sometime, preferably not a government approved one.

>> No.9699762

>>9699760
wow

so all radiation is the same and activity (i.e. half life) doesn't matter?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.9699763

>>9699756
What variables would those be? If you were at all informed on the subject, you´d be well aware that controlling for all factors that can reasonably be quantified, blacks underperform whites on standardized testing in America by almost a standard deviation.

>> No.9699764

>>9699760
I bet you're also a flat earther

>> No.9699767

>>9699760
>preferably not a government approved one.
we can't all be youtube scholars anon

lol

>> No.9699771

>>9699762
Radioactivity in any form is not dangerous to humans, get a clue kid, it's just a frequency/vibration of electromagnetic energy.

>>9699764
The globe is fucking retarded.

>>9699767
Better than government sponsored indoctrination centers.

>> No.9699772

>>9699771
ok

thanks

now I know you're a failure

>> No.9699780

>>9699772
>t. brainwashed

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9699787

>>9699763
Going for the guinness world record for most logical fallacies broken in a statement I see.
Impressive.

>> No.9699795

>>9699641
>Minimum wage
>STEM graduate
Well i guess in your mind the world is also flat, all radiation is the same and harmless and the fact that you don't have skin cancer absolutely prooves the suns radiation isnt harmful in any way.
I ask you, with all seriousness; how does it feel to be the dumber out of you and your dog?

>> No.9699796

>>9699795
lol

>> No.9699801

>>9699760
>What are private universities and education institutions

>> No.9699803

>>9699771
Please irradiate yourself with X or gamma rays. We need you out of the gene pool.

>> No.9699811
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9699811

>>9699190
"Unwanted pregnancy" ignores the fact the humans evolved to be monogamous because of infanticide. "Homosexual marriage" ignores the "gay uncle theory". "Global climate change" ignores the fact that there is no a global manifestation of a problem, just various local problems that people can and are adapting to. "Tribalism" ignores the fact that even in our most primitive hunter-gatherer societies, we are violent towards other tribes.

Is there an underlying theme to this? I think it's the corruption of science by anthropocentric thinking. In fact, when you dig down deep into it, there is actually not even a scientific theory that explains how humans are simultaneously "amoral animals" and "moral humans"--most of us just accept this premise without second thought. On the contrary, there is a scientific theory that supports my arguments: the evolution of ethics. The problem is, popsci is not interested in this stuff--they just want you to be herd animals. And we are not herd animals in our natural states. We are apex predators.

>> No.9699813

>>9699795
The earth is flat, yes, if you actually did any research on the matter you would know this.

Only a fag would get cancer from the sun, I mean how pathetic do you have to be? All cancer can be cured by a strong immune system.

>> No.9699814

>>9699813
bad bait mate

>> No.9699815

>>9699801
They follow a government approved curriculum.

>> No.9699817

>>9699704
i never said anything about thallium vs polonium, all i said was that lead poisoning isn't the answer

>> No.9699821

>>9699704
>no traces of thallium found in his environment
>traces of polonium found
>thallium levels not elevated to a degree that would explain his symptoms
>polonium detected in his body post-mortem
it was definitely thallium that killed him, yep

>> No.9699822

>>9699190
Time travel.
Wouldn't be surprised if Steins;Gate is actually a real story. Much like the John Titor' posts.
What's funny is, if they mess up covering it, they can just leap back and fix it.
Time travel would just break everything if everyone had access to it.
If I had a working time travel machine, I'd make sure I'm getting paid enough to shut up about it.

>> No.9699827

>>9699814
Not bait, get an education.

>>9699817
>>9699821

It was thallium you cretins. Thallium was found in his system along with Prussian Blue used to treat thallium poisoning.

>> No.9699830

>>9699827
I hope you win a Darwin award

>> No.9699844

>>9699811
>"Global climate change" ignores the fact that there is no a global manifestation of a problem, just various local problems that people can and are adapting to.
This ignores that the atmosphere is well mixed, meaning that excess CO2 is spread out globally, causing the globe as a whole to warm.

>> No.9699849

>>9699830
Darwin awards should only go to those who believe the theory of evolution.

>>9699844
>CO2 is bad for the world

>> No.9699858

>>9699849
>Too much CO2 is bad for humans and the ecosystems we rely on.
ftfy

>> No.9699861

>>9699844
>causing the globe as a whole to warm.
Should I build a seawall if I live in the rocky mountains?

>> No.9699873

>>9699815
They dont you fucking retard.

>> No.9699885

Please stop feeding the troll guys

>> No.9699890

>>9699822
I'll double down.
Maybe Cern is actually evil an feeding us bullshit about Quantum physics.
Just so we're left in the dark about time travel being actually doable.
They'd have no problem doing so, as the only people able to validate results.

>> No.9699900

>>9699190
The discoveries come out but maybe have restricted patents and low investment if a powerful force wants to suppress them.

>> No.9699924

>>9699890
>>9699822
Thinking about it, maybe the whole Higgs boson thing and Dark matter things are all there to make us believe we don't understand nature's laws.
We'll be stuck with a never ending debate about re-consiling those two fields forever.
Not because it's not doable, but because the implications have it so your everyday joe can run he's time machine.

>> No.9699987

>>9699861
How does that respond to what you're quoting?

>> No.9699993

>>9699987
How does that quote make a point?

>> No.9700013

>>9699993
The global manifestation of global warming is the fact the globe as a whole is warming.

>> No.9700041

>>9700013
>The global manifestation of global warming is the fact the globe as a whole is warming.

The fact that the average global temperature is increasing is only a problem if you don't live in a region that benefits from an increase in temperature. In other words, it's nice in the Rockies today, so why should I care that NYC will be underwater in the future? It's not a giant meteor that is heading to Earth--that is a global problem.

>> No.9700114

>>9699190
>I think anything that seriously endangers the whole automobile and petroleum refining industry would be in danger of that.

I dunno. Those industries came out of nowhere and displaced the horse-and-buggy and hale-oil industries, which tried to hang on but didn't suppress knowledge or anything.

I would think it way more likely that news discoveries would be incorporated into existing industries that are flexible enough t do that.

>> No.9700116

>>9699357
You're both equally retarded.

>> No.9700122

>>9699445
Interestingly, anybody can see about 59% of the moon's surface if they pay attention.

>> No.9700125

>>9699634
Well, if there was this article...

>> No.9700126

>>9699760
>I have you dumb bastard, it doesn't do shit.
I wonder why I don't believe you.

>> No.9700135

>>9700114
>Whale-oil

Sorry, the "W" is probably important there...

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9700149

>>9700122
I bet you think this is real.

>> No.9700154

>>9700126
Because you're as thick as pig shit. You also believe they "split the atom" to create atom bombs, which is yet more comic book nonsense from the early 1900s.

>> No.9700263

>>9699429
>kurzgesagt
wow brainlet! do you want to put some asap science or pictoline? Kill yourself, faggot. They are allways lying and promoting their sjw bullshit "science says right wing are retarded an bad people"

>> No.9700269

>>9699771
so all wavelenghts are the same? Imagine being this retarded.

>> No.9700374

>>9699190
No study has ever proven that bundled vaccines case autism.
Not even by accident, not in a type 2 error, never.
If you don't see what I'm saying, this is scientifically like a political candidate winning one hundred per cent of the vote.
There's numerous examples, but all from national security (where suppressing the data is self-explanatory) and medicine (where hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake), nothing far-fetched, some have been reported in mainstream news.

>> No.9700419

>>9699811
>comparing real scientists to living memes
I'd ask you to never post that image again, but based on what you said I'm willing to bet you've got a whole folder full of ones just like it

>> No.9700604

>>9700041
>The fact that the average global temperature is increasing is only a problem if you don't live in a region that benefits from an increase in temperature.
Which region is going to benefit from trillions of dollars in damage to the global economy?

>> No.9700612

>>9699410
Too late faggot, the secret is out.

>> No.9700613

>>9700374
>No study has ever proven that bundled vaccines case autism.
>Not even by accident, not in a type 2 error, never.
>If you don't see what I'm saying, this is scientifically like a political candidate winning one hundred per cent of the vote.
This is completely wrong. There have been a handful of studies that have *claimed* that vaccines cause autism, but none of them have *proved* anything because they are bad studies, full of errors. A faulty study which claims something false is relatively common. A study which "proves" something false is very rare. The former exists for vaccines and the latter does not. Only the lack of the former would be analogous to a politician getting 100% of the vote.

>> No.9700785

>>9699425
Yes, but it would not have any practical application. The only reason you would get arrested is because you would be generating a shit ton of hazardous waste and poisoning your neighbors in the process.

t. Naval nuclear power school graduate

>> No.9700791

>>9699601
They didn't "become" dangerous, they just figured out how dangerous the stuff really was.

My grandmother's boyfriend was an engineer who worked on nuclear tests back in the 50's before they knew about the long term effects of radioactivity, and he had some wild stories. They thought that as long as you didn't get radiation sickness you were fine, and didn't even bother to track long term exposure. As long as your badge didn't change color you're fine!

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>>9699811
HAVE YOU SEEN GOD? "Christian Family Values" supported by evidence other than bible and other Jewish imaginings.

I am Zeus. Trust me or I'll fuck up your life at some point in the future I'm going to anyways and I wish you great pain because it's really funny. Man is somehow moral and animal. You are free to believe in the metaphysical, but RATIONAL public policy must be set based solely on physical evidence. You must study the animal, not the person. The person is left to Jewish mystics these days.

Abortionists BTFO *
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/33/13328.short
*genocidal exceptions excluded

Cucks BTFO
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep32472

Faggot Marriage BTFO
https://www.uleth.ca/dspace/handle/10133/3159

UNSETTELED SCIENCE

IS HERD PROGRAMMING USED TO CONVERT HUMANS INTO FAGGOTS OR IS THIS A NATURAL ADAPTATION TO THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION??
"Homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."[8] One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep "[1] BAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH [2]

>Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals
The anthropocentric absurdity of this faggot and his god complex is amusing. At least he's burning in hell for all eternity. I'll get Hades to fuck him up next time I see that nigger.

>>9699190
What do we really know about 0nions?[3]

****************************************************************************
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_behavior
[3] - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/

>> No.9700983

>>9700981
Fuck off
>>/x/

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>>9700983
You don't find it interesting that out of the 9 million know species on Earth, only two are known to be exclusively homosexual?

The Sheep
The Man

Could this be because our ancestors liked to fuck sheep?

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9701036

>>9700419
I will murder you and eat your brains

>>9700604
The regions with the highest number of Jews

>>9699811
>HAVE YOU SEEN GOD?
Have you lost him?

>> No.9701037

>>9699190
>The discovery of hostile aliens (or aliens with unknown agendas). Many conspiracy theorists say that's the reason we stopped going to the moon.
kek, definitely not because the public lost interest and it was a waste of money. It's those aliens and their agendas.

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9701040

>>9699273
>Jews ruining countries.
>posts a book by a jew who helped his country and all others by contributing greatly to mathematics
What did he mean by this?

>> No.9701641

>>9699787
>logical fallacies broken
retard detected
opinion discarded

>> No.9701650

>>9700791
Exactly, did your grandmother's boyfriend die of radioactive poisoning? No! Because it was never dangerous to begin with until the industry threatened the fossil fuel industries.