/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9680981
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Sub-Saharan Africans differ from all other world populations in a number of ways, including the fact that they do not have any Neanderthal ancestry. When the ancestors of all humans were first leaving Africa 100,000 years ago, they split into two groups, one stayed in Africa (Sub-Saharan Africans) and the other moved into the Middle East (the ancestors of all other non-Sub-Saharan humans). The second group mated with some Neanderthals, and gained the MCPH1 Microcephalin, which causes a significant increase in brain size during development.

If you're interested in logic, reason, and science in general... you have to take morality out of the equation when studying issues, especially social issues like race. You simply cannot follow Stephen Jay Gould's example and talk about non-overlapping magisteria or whatever other nonsense he made up to avoid upsetting certain groups of people. Everything overlaps with science. Science is what we use to know the universe and everything in it. Never be afraid to talk about science. You cannot avoid a topic simply because it is politically unpleasant or socially difficult. That is cowardly.

>>9680982
I know many "progressive" types are very keen on saying that there's no such thing as race, or that race is a only socially constructed concept... but this is objectively false. Yes, humans DO exist on a genetic continuum, BUT, there are very clear bulges on that continuum. Those bulges are what we call "races", and they correlate with groups who's ancestors lived in the same geographical areas. Secondly... "progressives" are also very keen on saying that there is supposedly more genetic variation WITHIN 'racial' groups than between them. However, that argument is so wrong that they actually gave it a name... "Lewontin's Fallacy". Basically, the point is that it doesn't matter what percentage difference comes from where... what matters is what those differences are, and even if only .0001% of a difference is between "races", if that .0001% is meaningful and descriptive... then it means something. Look it up if you want all the reasons it's bunk. Here's Richard Dawkins on why it's nonsense: "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."

Now... the IQ gap. For those who don't already know, there absolutely IS an objectively measurable IQ gap between people with ancestors from different geographical areas (aka "races", which is the term I will use from here on out).

Psychologists don't debate this fact. The gap is well known and has been well known for decades. IQ test scores break down like this:

Asian-Americans -106, White Americans - 103, Hispanic Americans - 89, African-Americans - 85.

This means more than one in five American blacks have an IQ below 75; whereas around one in twenty whites have an IQ below 75. An IQ of 70-75 is considered "borderline retarded" by psychologists.

>>9680984
Studies also show there are some significant differences in what is called the structure of mental abilities. For example, if you took a sample of black and white children, all of whom had scored around 100 on the WISC-R (the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children—Revised) meaning the black kids in the sample were well above the black average -- you would find significant black-white differences on six of the thirteen subtests. The average black child would do better on Arithmetic and Digit Span; where the average white child would do better on Comprehension, Block Design, Object Assembly, and Mazes.

The gaps are not limited to the United States either. European whites average - 100, East Asians from Asia - 106, and Sub-Saharan Africans - 70.

The difference in native Sub-Saharan African IQ scores versus American Black's IQ scores can be explained by the fact that American Blacks have, on average, 20%-25% European ancestry. Lynn and Vanhanen's books 'IQ and the Wealth of Nations' and 'IQ and Global Inequality' are a good start if you are looking for data concerning the average IQ scores of different nations.

The intelligence gap was first noticed among psychologists in the early 20th century. In the 1960s and 70s, rigorous IQ testing of people of difference races began in earnest, and the IQ gap began to become undeniable. Throughout the 70s and 80s, liberal-minded scientists attempted to close the gap via alterations in the testing apparatus, since they believed that the tests must be biased in some way. They changed the parameters, made a whole slew of so-called "culture fair" tests, some were nonverbal tests (Leiter Scale), some changed the language of the questions, others were pure math, or pure reasoning, they even made questions that weren't language based at all (like Raven's Progressive Matrices or Kohs block design test)...

>>9680985
...they did twin studies, adoption studies (like the Minnesota Transracial Adoption study), everything to try to determine some reason (besides the obvious one) why this gap exists... and the studies consistently came back with the same sized gap: 15 IQ points, or 1 standard deviation (SD) between White and Black people no matter what version or type of IQ test was used.

Eventually, in 1994, The Bell Curve was published. The book was extremely controversial, despite being filled with relevant data from valid and repeated studies. Ironically, the majority of the criticisms were aimed at the validity of IQ and general intelligence as meaningful measurements (a topic I will go over in a later section) and NOT on the results of the studies.

Eventually, amid all the controversy about The Bell Curve in the media, a group of 52 well known university professors specializing in intelligence and related fields signed a public statement titled "Mainstream Science on Intelligence". They saw there was a great deal of misinformation of unfounded criticism of The Bell Curve, so they wanted to set the media straight. The statement consisted of 25 conclusions...

>>9680988
...those conclusions were:

1."Intelligence is a very general mental capability ... it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings ..."

2."Intelligence, so defined, can be measured, and intelligence tests measure it well. They are among the most accurate (in technical terms, reliable and valid) of all psychological tests and assessments."

3."While there are different types of intelligence tests, they all measure the same intelligence."

4."The spread of people along the IQ continuum ... can be represented well by the ... ‘normal curve'."

5."Intelligence tests are not culturally biased"

6."The brain processes underlying intelligence are still little understood"

7."Members of all racial-ethnic groups can be found at every IQ level"

8."The bell curve for whites is centered roughly around IQ 100; the bell curve for American blacks roughly around 85; and those for different subgroups of Hispanics roughly midway between those for whites and blacks. The evidence is less definitive for exactly where above IQ 100 the bell curves for Jews and Asians are centered"

9."IQ is strongly related, probably more so than any other single measurable human trait, to many important educational, occupational, economic, and social outcomes ... Whatever IQ tests measure, it is of great practical and social importance"

10."A high IQ is an advantage because virtually all activities require some reasoning and decision-making"

11."The practical advantages of having a higher IQ increase as life’s settings become more complex"

12."Differences in intelligence certainly are not the only factor affecting performance in education, training, and complex jobs ... but intelligence is often the most important"
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>>9680990
13."Certain personality traits, special talents, [etc] are important ... in many jobs, but they have narrower (or unknown) applicability or ‘transferability’ across tasks and settings compared with general intelligence"

14."Heritability estimates range from 0.4 to 0.8 ... indicating genetics plays a bigger role than environment in creating IQ differences"

15."Members of the same family also tend to differ substantially in intelligence"

16."That IQ may be highly heritable does not mean that it is not affected by the environment ... IQs do gradually stabilize during childhood, however, and generally change little thereafter"

17."Although the environment is important in creating IQ differences, we do not know yet how to manipulate it"

18."Genetically caused differences are not necessarily irremediable"

19."There is no persuasive evidence that the IQ bell curves for different racial-ethnic groups are converging"

20."Racial-ethnic differences in IQ bell curves are essentially the same when youngsters leave high school as when they enter first grade ... black 17-year-olds perform, on the average, more like white 13-year-olds"

21."The reasons that blacks differ among themselves in intelligence appear to be the same as those for why whites ... differ among themselves"

22."There is no definitive answer as to why bell curves differ across racial-ethnic groups. The reasons for these IQ differences between groups may be markedly different from the reasons for why individuals differ among themselves within any particular group"
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>>9680995
23."Racial-ethnic differences are somewhat smaller but still substantial for individuals from the same socio-economic backgrounds"

24."Almost all Americans who identify themselves as black have white ancestors – the white admixture is about 20% ... research on intelligence relies on self-classification into distinct racial categories"

25."The research findings neither dictate nor preclude any particular social policy, because they can never determine our goals. They can, however, help us estimate the likely success and side-effects of pursuing those goals via different means."

Ironically, the vast majority of what was written in 'The Bell Curve' is now considered mainstream knowledge in the field, and no longer debated by experts.

An important thing to remember is that the ancestors of all Sub-Saharan Africans separated from the ancestors of all other modern humans around 100,000 years ago. One group stayed in Sub-Saharan Africa, and the other spread out and populated the rest of the world. 100,000 years is over 3,000 to 5,000 generations. And yet there ARE still people today who believe that all races have the same exact brains, and same exact inherent intelligence.

Despite the fact that so much time passed with those races apart, and such large number of observable traits evolved differently... like skin color, fat distribution, average hormonal levels, hair type and texture, dental layout (some Asian's don't ever develop wisdom teeth, and different races have differently shaped teeth), to the skeletal structure like the ratio of length of long bones or skull shape or any number of variations (a small example being some sub-Saharan Africans have fused triquetral bones in their wrists), to the many different blood types, and fat distribution and so many other traits... some people still refuse to accept the possibility of inherent biological differences of intelligence.

>>9680999
However, it would actually be an amazing coincidence if there WEREN'T an average intelligence gap between different groups of humans who have evolved separately for many thousands of years. Think about it, given the facts that 1)evolution is true, 2)IQ is heritable, and 3)different groups of humans have been separate for more than 3,000-5,000 generations... it would be statistically improbable that all those groups have the same average IQ. The brain is a highly complex organ, it is extremely difficult to believe that that complex biological organ remained exactly the same over 100,000 years while nearly every single other biological trait diverged. An IQ gap is exactly what we would expect given the facts. Even if we didn't have IQ test results and didn't know there was a gap, all good scientists would hypothesize that one exists based on the other information.

Well... that's it. I hope you enjoyed this information. If you have any questions, or would like to debate any of the points here... please do.

Nobody wants a piece of this? All the anti-IQ anons love to debate this issue when they're up against alt-righters who don't really know much about it... but now... where are you? Helloooo? ANyone?

>>9681014
stfu, kys, gtfo, etc.

>>9681017
Nice. Thats about the level of discourse I'd expect from blank slatists.

Why are people surprised that this a highly contested area of research?

>>9681014
Perhaps start by sourcing this
>Eventually, amid all the controversy about The Bell Curve in the media, a group of 52 well known university professors specializing in intelligence and related fields signed a public statement titled "Mainstream Science on Intelligence". They saw there was a great deal of misinformation of unfounded criticism of The Bell Curve, so they wanted to set the media straight. The statement consisted of 25 conclusions...

Also I don't know what to tell you. Yes, IQ matters and is mostly what you're given at birth and childhood. I'd also argue that there's likely other factors to a person's intelligence. IQ measures the "raw processing power" but it's highly tied to working memory and doesn't give a full picture of a person's capability for logical thought and behavior. There's also motivation and other things at play when it comes to defining somebody's success potential. I can sympathize with anti-IQ viewpoints, as long as it's not straight-up denial.

>>9681032
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence

http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

>>9681037
How can I increase the average IQ of my country /sci/?

>>9681032
>I can sympathize with anti-IQ viewpoints

if anyone should be anti-iq, it's autists like myself. autism & related have severe, detrimental effects on memory and sensory processing, but i can still manage an above-average score. if iq underrates the intelligence of anyone, it's us, not sub-saharan africans.

>>9681037
>"That IQ may be highly heritable does not mean that it is not affected by the environment ... IQs do gradually stabilize during childhood, however, and generally change little thereafter"

>"Although the environment is important in creating IQ differences, we do not know yet how to manipulate it"

Nice, thanks. It's a combination of environment and genetics. And nothing was learned today.

But we still need to make these threads every hour.

>>9681043
It's very difficult. ALL first world countries actually have decreasing average IQs right now, despite the Flynn Effect... because low IQ is positively correlated with high fertility. That just means, more simply, that low IQ people have more children than high IQ people. So the only thing you can really do is try to convince high IQ people to have more kids, and convince low IQ people to have fewer children.

>>9681050
>IQs do gradually stabilize during childhood, however, and generally change little thereafter"

The heritability of IQ after age 18 is .8. Under 18, environment has a stronger effect on IQ. But as you age, your IQ tends toward your genetically predisposed average.

Nice read OP, i have nothing to contribute but thanks for giving me something to read on the commute

>>9681050
>It's a combination of environment and genetics.

Don't be racist, it's 100% because of racial oppression from white people

>>9681062
Heritability isn't completely separate from environment.

>>9681079
Not 100%. Maybe 20%? We should get rid of that 20% right?

>>9681051
Did countries with higher average IQs always have high IQ? Is there any way to figure that out? If they started off with low IQ but somehow managed to increase it, similar things could probably be done with the low IQ countries of today.

>>9681083
>Not 100%. Maybe 20%? We should get rid of that 20% right?

african-americans have higher iq than ever because of our "racial oppression". they're better fed, they can all go to public school, and they have white admixture. compare this to the situation in sub-saharan africa. we're not oppressing them in any way, shape, or form. how exactly are we keeping the black man from reaching his potential? isn't the iq of sub-saharan africa a pretty good indication of what their iq would be without our so-called oppression?

>>9681083
>Heritability isn't completely separate from environment.

I'm not sure you understand what the scientific term "heritable" means. There have been extensive studies done on the heritability of IQ, twin studies, adoptions studies (same genes, different parents and environment), and countless other formats... and the overall figure for the heritability of IQ (meaning the fraction of IQ that genes are entirely responsible for) is .8, or 80%. Thats a huge number, similar to the heritability of height.

>>9681098
cont.

whites made space for you in their schools, created generous social programs, even gave you their genes. what more do you want? and all we get for it is rioting and bitching.

>>9681098
>rich country
>better infrastructure
nothing to do with race
>>9681100
I find that hard to believe

>>9681100
I don't dispute the figure. But heritability has some shared environment or inherited environment built in. It's... complicated. Certainly not as simple as people think. Heritability can even change with environmental changes.

Read the "caveats" section:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

>>9681111
"Results indicated that a hierarchical (higher-order) model with a latent g phenotype, as well as specific cognitive domains, was best supported by the data. The latent g factor was highly heritable (86%), and accounted for most, but not all, of the genetic effects in specific cognitive domains and elementary cognitive tests. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4002017/

"The heritability of intelligence increases from about 20% in infancy to perhaps 80% in later adulthood. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/

>>9681123
>>9681100
Just to drive home how misunderstood heritability is, consider this part:

>Thus, even in developed nations, a high heritability of a trait does not necessarily mean that average group differences are due to genes.

I don't pretend to understand how to interpret all the genetic studies, but other people need to stop pushing things they don't understand.

>>9681129
1. how does heritability increase, is IQ passed down or not?
2. just a general what that fuck
So what? You have an 80% chance of having the same IQ as your parents?

>>9680981
get back to work u fckin slave icefag

>>9681137
1. I understand that it seems counter-intuitive. What it means is that, during childhood, your IQ is much more plastic. As you age, your IQ tends toward your genetically predisposed level.

As for your parents... there is also the "regression to the mean" to consider. The 80% figure doesn't mean you're that likely to have the same IQ as your parents... it's more like (roughly) you're 80% likely to have the same IQ as someone with the same genes as you that grew up in a different environment.

>>9681097
High IQ has probably been under recent selection pressure since agriculture and urbanisation, allowing intelligence and wealth creation to become more important than just physical fitness. Some cultures and environments probably had higher selection pressures than others, but it seems quite likely that high IQ can be developed over a period of 1000 years without deliberate intervention. The benefits of high IQ for fertility disappear when a nation goes through demographic transition as part of industrialising. In particular female education inhibits having children.
This will probably all be confirmed once they apply polygenic IQ scores to historical DNA samples.
pic related is interesting on this subject.

>>9681145
Intelligence is a "polygenic" trait... which means there are a whole lot of genes responsible for it. We actually know quite a few of the genes (There is the MCPH1 gene which regulates brain size, ASPM gene which is for creating new brain cells, SV2B gene, DAB1 gene which is for organizing the cerebral cortex... etc), but there are still a ton we don't know.

Most people don't realize just how much we know about the genetics of the brain.

>>9681110
cont.

you'll never be content no matter what we give you. economically and academically, blacks will never achieve parity with whites, and not because we are keeping you down, but because of genetics. this isn't your fault, but whites can't keep going on thinking it's their fault either. it's not good for either party.

>>9681148
Unfortunate fact that many people don't know... human brain size has been DECREASING for at least the past 10,000 years... roughly correlating with the agricultural revolution. There is a pretty convincing hypothesis that since the agricultural revolution, humans have been "domesticating" themselves... and brain size has been decreasing as a result (and we're getting less intelligent). There is a ton of research backing this up.

http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking

>>9680981
Very good thread

I'm glad you made it

>>9681145
this whole heritability thing seems like bunk to me
>Heritabilityis a statistic used in the fields of breeding and genetics that estimates the degree of variation in aphenotypic traitin apopulationthat is due togeneticvariation between individuals in that population.
Why do the differences between individuals in the population matter? Wouldn't it matter more how genes translate into intelligence in a single person? That's the mechanism.

I mean... Like I don't wanna be stupid. Especially not because I'm brown

>>9681162
>I mean... Like I don't wanna be stupid. Especially not because I'm brown

you're not stupid because you're brown. american blacks already have a higher average iq than india, and indians have made plenty of contributions to science and mathematics. i've met three black people who i'd consider smarter than the average white person.

but you still can't blame economic and academic disparities on white oppression. you can't expect equal outcomes.

>>9681160
That we've self domesticated ourselves has a ring of truth, but I don't believe our tribal forefathers were smarter. I'll believe that when I they discover a super intelligent tribe in Papua New Guinea or the Amazon. Every indication I see is that a hunter gatherer life style means you and your offspring are entirely unprepared mentally for modern life.

>>9681167
>but you still can't blame economic and academic disparities on white oppression. you can't expect equal outcomes.
But you also can't deny that there has been blantant oppression in recent history, as little as one generation ago. And ongoing racial prejudices in areas like criminal justice. I don't expect equal outcome, but I'm not going to just ignore real problems that exist.

>>9680985
>The average black child would do better on Arithmetic and Digit Span; where the average white child would do better on Comprehension, Block Design, Object Assembly, and Mazes.
Are all of these skills equally aligned with base IQ? because otherwise, couldn't you bias an IQ test to give black kids an equal score?
Do you know much about deviations within races? I.e. the proportion of genius intelligence within asian, white, black, etc.

>>9681167
but isn't that a double standard?
>everything operates by race
>just ignore all the bad shit that happened because of racism

>>9681170
>Unprepared mentally for modern life

LOL
Did you know hunter-gatherers developed the best way possible? They communicated, matured, and hunted and played games 24/7.

They ran (exercise has all sorts of therapeutic affects ESPECIALLY during development) as soon as they could, and they lived a Utopian existence if they were healthy.

Their brains are bigger than ours.
Kids are fucking obese because no one cares.
Hunter-gatherers dealt in novelty all day from the earliest age possible. They socialized on an unparalleled level.

Modern humans wouldn't be capable of competing with them. They would take physics, mathematics, and flip our modern understanding of that shit on its head.

>>9681167
Indian castes have dramatically different IQs. Every one of the Indian academics, from Ramanujan to Bose, were Brahmins. Brahmins have an average IQ above that of even other East Asians (106). They're often called the "Ashkenazim of India". Dalits (untouchables) and other lower level castes have average IQs of 80-85.

Why are you autists so obsessed with intelligence? I think it's more than obvious that different ethnicities/populations will have different average IQ scores. But the same principle applies to every phenotype.
So whyy are you so obsessed in proving a 5 IQ difference between white and black people? Surely it would be much easier to prove african's superiority in physical activities.

>>9681175

do you think any other race is ever going to be as patient and generous toward african americans as whites are now? black culture is toxic, not only to themselves but to whites too. many whites are exasperated with it, but can't say anything because we've been browbeat by the race/victimhood card. blacks aren't treated as unfairly as they think.

>>9681189
I'm west-indian so my ancestors were taken as slaves from India so I'm guessing I'm one of the fucking lower castes
fucking bullshit

>>9681170
Our ancestors simply didn't have the technology that we do. That doesn't mean they were less inherently, genetically, intelligent. IN fact, if you look at the link I posted, and you do a little research... you'll see that human skulls from 10,000 years ago in Europe and the Mid East, all had much larger brain cases than modern humans do. Brain size is known to correlate strongly with intelligence in humans.

>>9681160
Well, it's probably decreasing now even more, since that great soar in sub-saharan african population number.

>>9681191
15
well one interesting idea I see is that humans may naturally self-segregate and breed specialized castes, like Wells' morlocks and eloi

>>9681191
It's not 5 points. It's one full standard deviation... or 15 points between American blacks (who are 20-25% white) and American whites. The difference is even more dramatic with Sub-Saharan African native blacks... their IQ is around 70. Thats considered borderline retarded for a white person. It's a MASSIVE difference that has HUGE consequences for our society.

>>9681189
>Rich boys that can play with themselves all day became academics

I don't agree with this.

>>9681051
How about instead convincing brainlets, just do genocide? They're numbers are increasing far too rapidly to make a great impact even if we would manage to convince at least 20 percent of the low iqs.

>>9681189

if you say so raveed. with a few exceptions, most of the indians i've met seem average at best. the exceptions being old, tenured professors who probably were the cream of the crop and got here before visa holders dominated the STEM landscape.

>>9681200
Ramanujan was dirt poor. He was a Brahmin, but a Brahmin from south India, Madras specifically. He was poor as shit.

>>9681203
cont.

and i'm assuming that not too many "untouchables" get an f1 visa

>>9681192
>They're only treated a little unfairly compared with how unfairly we could potentially treat them, so it's okay to treat them unfairly!

>>9681062
>The heritability of IQ after age 18 is .8
WRONG

>>9681193
your group's average IQ doesn't mean your personal IQ can't be substantially above a "smarter" group's average

>>9681194
>correlate strongly with intelligence in humans
It correlates about 0.3, i.e. moderately. There are lots of other factors that contribute to intelligence, such as myelination, axon density, cortical thickness and surface area. Finding the polygenic scores of historical DNA samples will answer these questions.
Again, all hunter gatherer societies that exist today do not seem particularly clever and all do terribly in modern society.

>>9681213
but like I barely consider myself west-indian (which mean carribean btw)
it's not really 'my' group I don't even know other weather Indians and I was born in a white country

>>9681148
Thanks, I'll take a look at that book

>>9680981
Unironically good posts. The thing is interpretations and applications of this. While there exists IQ gaps between different groups, does that mean we should restrict immigration from nations with a low average IQ? Currently, in the US, there isn't a pure merit system.

The US Army uses users aptitude tests and the IQ equivalent of these scores essentially mean you can't legally hire someone below ~82IQ to the US army. They literally think people below that point are incapable of doing anything useful for the military, even cleaning toilets.

>>9681217
I mean your genetic group
Your environment plays a role too though

>>9681211

go ahead and destroy white identity then. bitch until you're content, and we have open borders, polarized groups of whites who can't agree on a damned thing or get anything done, LEOs are driven farther right than the schutzstaffel., and foreign interests dominate american politics. see what happens.

>>9681224
>Currently, in the US, there isn't a pure merit system
we already limit immigration by IQ through academic (GRE) testing. the us government has a long tradition of grooming and employing high-intelligence people in military (e.g. cryptography) applications

>>9681043
>>9681137
Keep in mind regression towards the mean is a real thing. So increasing IQ average of a country can still be slow, even if you get high IQ people to have kids togeather.

>>9681229
Woah woah woah there buddy. Where did you come up with all that bullshit? Open borders?? All I said was that there shouldn't be discrimination based on skin color. Judge an individual on their merits. The content of their character, like MLK said. Relax buddy.

>>9681227
I like to think my mistakes are my own and not because there's something inherently wrong with me. I just made bad choices, it could've easily gone the other way and I could've been a huge success.
But I guess science says otherwise. I was always destined to fail. I can't help but think that's bullshit.

>>9681236
I'm certainly not telling you that. If you're in a STEM field your IQ is at least a standard deviation above ANY group's average.

>>9681181
I mean it's really idealistic and nice sounding when you put it like that, but consider that this all leads to a different kind of understanding of the world. You can't say that they would flip modern science and math on it's head because they wouldn't be able to conceptualize what test-taking even is, or why you would care about abstract concepts in physics. The background leading up to getting them to understand that would be equivalent to abandoning the hunter-gatherer life, not to mention the level of industrialization necessary for the production of high-quality instruments and equipment needed to perform seminal experiments that led up to our current understanding of the world. How do you expect a hunter-gatherer to prove particle theory? Or even simpler, how do you expect them to discover that all living things are made up of cells?

The hunter-gatherer lifestyle was the cradle of civilization that had to be left behind in order to reach greater heights. It's unfortunate, I agree with your post in how amazing it must have been to be a successful hunter-gatherer, but if we never left that behind, our species on this planet would hunt and gather until another extinction event that we aren't able to survive occurs.

>>9681083
>We should get rid of that 20% right?

At what cost? When will we realize that our efforts have become futile? When will we humble ourselves and realize that we can't save them, without hurting ourselves?

I don't have suicidal tendencies, so I won't put myself in harms way to POSSIBLY help them out a little. Let them take care of themselves, if they can. Maybe give them some food aid, every now and then, if they need it. Not our problem. Not something I would invite them into my nations to rape, pillage, and murder for.

>>9681234

that's what's happening. white in-group preference has decreased dramatically. we cannot secure a nation for ourselves without it. after all, what reason do i have to turn someone away at the border if not in-group preference?

>>9681244
Isn't it possible that good decision-making is what's being passed down here? As opposed to genetic intelligence?

>>9681245
I think we're going to go extinct anyway.

This is all just a bunch of stupid shit that we're doing because other people want us to.

>>9681250
What do you mean? Obviously "intelligence" is not a single trait

>>9681189
Genetics determine the intelligence ceiling, you mong. If you live off of garbage scraps from the Ganges, I'm not surprised you have an IQ of 85. Even when you control for poverty, however, the racial IQ gap persists because it is genetic.

>>9681255
I mean isn't it possible that high IQ people are just raising their kids better as opposed to having better genes?
I feel you can increase your base intelligence through hard work, especially when you're really young.
I think effort is the biggest factor.

>>9681259
>I feel like
there's the hole in your argument

>>9681263
didn't answer my question

>>9681248
>When will we realize that our efforts have become futile? When will we humble ourselves and realize that we can't save them, without hurting ourselves?
This has nothing to do with getting rid of the known oppression that exists. It hurt white people to free the slaves too. At a great cost!

>>9681249
>after all, what reason do i have to turn someone away at the border if not in-group preference?
If they're dumb. Do it based on merits. Also turn them down if there's too many of them. That's why we currently limit immigrants from China and Mexico.

>>9681267
>If they're dumb. Do it based on merits.

how are we even going to do that? jews will complain: "iq is a proxy for race and it's blatant discrimination".

blacks need to forget bygone injustices and forget their victimhood. stop alienating white conservatives and stop playing the race card. whites can't spend so much time discussing what to do with belligerent niggers. we have more important shit to do, but this is what the jew media wants to distract us with.

>>9681266
look at the studies on wikipedia. a study on twins raised apart and together shows 0.7.6 and 0.86 IQ correlation. It appears that for IQ nature beats nurture.

>>9681267
I'm not >>9681249 but I will say that there is nothing wrong with choosing an immigration policy that gives preference one's own people. It is natural and healthy to have preference for your own people. The US started going downhill with non-European immigration after the 1965 Immigration act.

>It hurt white people to free the slaves too. At a great cost!

Great. They aren't slaves anymore. I don't want to live next to them and their outrageous crime rates, especially with regards to violence. I'm sick of us dumping taxpayer money into the bottomless pits that are known as Baltimore, Chicago, etc. It's a waste of time and resources and I don't want anything to do with it.

>>9681282
but they would never purposefully raise one of the twins in a bad environment or deprive them in any way, how can they be sure it's not due to similar environmental conditions
and aren't random psychological things possible, like for example depression makes you stupider

>>9681284
>natural and healthy to have preference for your own people.
I don't know why I'm bothering to talk to /pol/ but the US was never an ethnostate. you're just inventing a category that catches all the people that have showed up before (except, you know, all the african slaves we imported). there were similar xenophobic panics when the irish, italians, germans showed up

>>9681256

Different castes have different genetics. They have avoided each other for centuries. There are obvious phenotypic differences between Brahmins and Dalits. Those genetic differences are responsible for the IQ gap as well. Also, I'm the mong that wrote the OP.

>>9681284
>one's own people
random people from across the world who just so happen to share the same skin color as you and nothing else are not "your own people".
Outside of people in your family and community, they're all the same you're just racist so everything is made to be about skin color to you even though it actally doesn't matter

>>9681291
examine the data for yourself
nowhere did I say environment doesn't have an impact. but you can compare the enviromental and genetic influence with statistics, and see which one is more important and how much.

>>9681295
>there were similar xenophobic panics when the irish, italians, germans showed up

and they integrated. the melting pot actually worked, because they were genetically and culturally similar enough to be compatible.

>>9681299
Not even environmental, like psychological. Just being defiant or whatever could influence your development right? No matter how well off you are.
Human development isn't just like a chemical reaction.

>>9681300
germans and italians formed separate, non-english speaking communities. italians had a problem with honor killing. you and your worldview a shit.

>>9681280
>how are we even going to do that?
With the vetting that currently exists and works very well... Look at the outcome of immigrants from places like Nigeria. It's impressive.
>blacks need to forget bygone injustices and forget their victimhood.
Sure, but we also can't forget about very recent oppression that affects people today.

>>9681284
>I don't want to live next to them and their outrageous crime rates, especially with regards to violence.
Sweet, you don't have to. It's called freedom. Move to a low-crime neighborhood.

>>9681305
you're presupposing psycholoy isn't heritable

>>9681312
Even still that doesn't fall under intelligence

>>9681307
>germans and italians formed separate, non-english speaking communities. italians had a problem with honor killing.

how long did this last? a generation or two?

>>9681307
>you and your worldview a shit.
and you are a salty nigger and/or woman who can't see the writing on the wall, who refuses to believe that the social experiment of "diversity" could possibly have negative consequences

>>9681307
You're right. We probably should have kept the Italians out. Too Mediterranean.

>>9681300
Is right. They were (mostly) culturally and genetically similar enough for it to work.

>B-but muh different European cultures!
I would imagine English, Germans, and French have more in common with each other than West Africans. Just a thought.

>be immature child
>don't do your homework
>end up stupider
How is this genetic?

>>9681318
>how long did this last? a generation or two?
dingdingding! You win the reading comprehension test! the same exact thing will happen with muslim immigrants and the other brown people you're so afraid of.
>the social experiment of diversity
I think we should absolutely engage in eugenics, you and your immediate family should be the first test group.

>>9681309
>Sure, but we also can't forget about very recent oppression that affects people today.

at what point do you stop and chalk up the remaining economic and social disparities to genetics? are you always going to blame whitey?

>>9681335
>ding ding ding

Except its not happening. 3rd generation Muslims are fighting for Sharia in Europe and against the majority's racial interests. Blacks have been in the US for 200 years and they self-segregate too, and still view themselves as separate. You are an idiot.

>>9681342
>Be black
>Walk around with my phone in hand
>Hear something
>"Suspect in view, he has a gun"
>Get shot
>Die

>"Why don't blacks just act like white people?"

>>9681341
>at what point do you stop and chalk up the remaining economic and social disparities to genetics?
It's hard to say, as we would need to define what we call "negligible." We are far from that point currently. But one indicative step would be to have political representation that is similar to the demographics of the country.

>>9681342
the sharia movement would not be gaining traction if we hadn't nurtured it through war. the white fundamentalist movement is potentially just as bad under the right circumstances, they've done plenty of violence up to the present day.
>blacks self-segregate
Oh so it's their fault now? But I thought you were so mad that they were chasing your white women...

>>9681305
>Human development isn't just like a chemical reaction.

OP HERE
Yes it is. Behavior is rooted in biology. Studies have shown that each of the so-called "big five" personality traits are highly heritable. You personality and your intelligence are based on your genetics.
All of your objections have been covered if you'd simply 1)read my post, and 2)do your own research into how statistical regression analysis and controlling for a variable works. All of the "but what about this" objections you have have all been considered and controlled for over the decades and countless numbers of studies done.

>>9681355
>But one indicative step would be to have political representation that is similar to the demographics of the country.

because if blacks now how to do anything right, it's run a country.

Sorry op but this is just another tired old IQ thread with regurgitated information that's already been talked about. Just because you maxed out nine posts with copypasta doesn't mean anything.

However I do find It funny how you spent all this time talking about blacks when you didn't even mention either the Khoisan or Aboriginal Australians who have lower IQ averages (low-mid 60s) than sub-Sahara blacks. You also neglected sub-populations in Russia such as the Tungus and Altai who have IQ averages in the low 70s. Where's your hypothesis for these four populations of people?

But I shouldn't expect much from troll thread anyway so here's your (you).

>>9681350
>commit 53% of all murders despite being only 14% of the population

Wow, I wonder why cops are jumpy around blacks.

>>9681356
>its white peoples fault and no on else's: the post
>muh womyn
So this is the power... Of leftist argumentation.

>>9681369
So in nutshell: Hitler did nothing wrong, 1488, race war now?
Like this is pretty bad man.

i have to get away from this forum.

in summary, my points are
>>9681157
>economically and academically, blacks will never achieve parity with whites, and not because we are keeping you down, but because of genetics. this isn't your fault, but whites can't keep going on thinking it's their fault either. it's not good for either party.

and

>>9681167
>you're not stupid because you're brown. american blacks already have a higher average iq than india, and indians have made plenty of contributions to science and mathematics. i've met three black people who i'd consider smarter than the average white person.
>but you still can't blame economic and academic disparities on white oppression. you can't expect equal outcomes.

>>9681388
wtf? are you literally retarded?

>>9681370
We literally had a black president for 8 years and we were fine.

>>9681406
So what are the implications here? Are racists actually right?
So races exist and they are the major determining factor in your intelligence and success?
That's contrary to so much I believe in.

>>9681408

american presidents are figureheads. but please consider what i've said in >>9681399

before you go on another BLM chimp out

>>9681408
Obama's real father was Frank Marshall Davis... the man who was his mother's boyfriend the year he was conceived, and the man who was his "mentor" during childhood since his family often brought him to visit with Davis for no apparent reason.
Anyway... Davis is an American black... meaning he is on average 20-25% white. And his mother is 100% white. SO he is approximately 60-65% white.

>>9681412
>That's contrary to so much I believe in.

Read the post I wrote. Then look up and do your own research. I'm telling you this is reality. I have a masters in cognitive science, and have worked in the field for 10+ years. I just went back to start for my PhD. I'm not some backroom racist trying to start a race war... I'm talking about real, objectively verifiable facts based on hundreds of studies and research papers. But just because behavior is rooted in biology (which is a fundamental aspect of modern biology, btw), and just because some races have lower average IQs than others... this doesn't have any political implications or mean we have to automatically become hate-mongering racists.
Individuals are still individuals. Its just that these facts show us the reality on the large scale, ON AVERAGE.

If you base your beliefs on your emotions and what you want to be true... then just ignore all this. If not... you can accept it and not become a racist. I did.

>>9681420

Wait are we now going to pretend Obama's father wasn't from Kenya? Are you fucks now trying to change his birth father instead? What's wrong with you retards?

>>9681156
>There is the MCPH1 gene which regulates brain size
The big brain [math] \mathcal{PHENOTYPE}[/math]
The opposite of Brainlet.

>>9681413
I think you have me confused with someone else. Pretty sure I've addressed all of that though.

>>9681420
Conspiracy theories aside, you're getting off track. Or representatives should reflect our demographics. If that means the black ones are partially white, that's fine.

>>9681420 >>9681442

Isn't Obama father a Kenyan?

Anyways. We all agree that Obama is at least 50%White. Since his Mother is White.

Notice that Obama''s mother was A Single mom, since the black father didn't want to take care of Obama.


Obama grow without his father just like most Blacks.

And Obama' s mother ended a single mom just like most coal burners.

Once you go black you never go back.

>>9681432
I don't want to believe.

>>9681440
Dude... he literally wrote about Frank Marshall Davis in his book. It's been confirmed by other family members. It's the reason Obama refused a DNA test when the whole rest of his family got one. It's not some fringe theory, it's well known by mainstream journalists.

>>9681472
what is this? 2008?

>>9681472
more

>>9681477
>>9681472
Either way. It doesn't matter.

>>9680981
Oh so /pol/ accepts authority from a Nobel prize when the winner agrees with their notions?

>>9681491
it's like any other pseudoscience, they accept evidence that agrees with their prior beliefs and reject anything else

I really feel like I could've done exceptionally if I just worked harder.

>>9681472
>It's not a fringe theory,
It is not a widely accepted so it's fringe

>>9681500

>>9681498
What exactly are you saying is pseudoscience?

>>9681556

Not him but while I wouldn't call psychometrics (IQ and battery testing) "pseudo science" it doesn't help that the main branch it resides in being psychology has the worst track record in all sciences in terms of reproducibility in research. The only thing saving it from being legit pseudo science honestly is that it utilizes applied statistics as a crutch.

>>9681442
>Pretty sure I've addressed all of that though.

i believe you ended on the implication that there's "negligible" in-born difference between blacks and whites, which is patently false to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass.

>>9681199
This

>>9681606
So yeah, looks like you have me confused with someone else.

>>9681342
3rd generation Muslims are pushed into sharia because they know they can't keep up intellectually with locals. They are self-segregating themselves.

>>9681704
well then please point me to where you "addressed all that"

I'm a first generation Somali American from my family. My parents came straight off boat to America when things were looking rough over there. I dont disagree with everything found on race and iq, some things confused my low iq mind however.
1. I've taken multiple IQ tests and always land between 125-135 and am currently studying in a STEM field so I don't consider myself a genius but I'm a little smart.
2. I don't have the IQs of my siblings but they aren't in college but take AP courses and definitely excel in their classes.
So, where is this "high" iq coming from since my parents are both brainlets and Where is the line to draw on how much my genetic IQ is able to improve based on my environmental conditions? What was my "limit" on iq based on genetics?

Thanks OP for the very well organized post, much easier to read most of the race iq threads.

(I did read 14. And 16. Through 18. Before anyone flames me)

>>9681756
Are you related to the Ethiopian Jews?

>>9681756
>I've taken multiple IQ tests and always land between 125-135

you're one in 10,000. for every one of you, we have a thousands of 80iq nogs marching in the streets every time the media trumps up a story about racial injustice, and just as many brainwashed whites who can't even hear the word "white culture" without feeling pangs of guilt

>>9681756

and if you're actually a solid 130, you know this. you understand this. what exactly are you complaining about?

>>9681756
Your parents may be very intelligent. These numbers are all statistical averages. Just like some people are taller or shorter than the average of their population... there definitely are sub-Saharan Africans with above average IQs as well.

And another thing... . IQ isn't the ultimate metric in determining a person's value. It's only one attribute. Every person have value as a human being and can be productive and happy no matter what one of their traits or another is.

Also, individuals are individuals. What I mean by that is... understanding group statistics only shows you "probabilities and likelihoods". There are plenty of African-Americans and even Sub-Saharan Africans with high IQs.

That said, I think that in the next 40 years or so, humans will have almost total control of their lifespan and their genetics. Intelligence is almost certainly a polygenic trait... meaning it's influenced by a large number of genes. So it won't be as simple of, say, genetic therapy for an issue caused by a single genetic mutation. But we already know a fairly large number of genes responsible for it, and we're only going to get better and more advanced.

>>9681756

i sincerely wish every black american were like you

>>9681756

It's already been established by numerous studies and research that immigrant Africans on average have higher IQs and/or higher academic marks so your story wouldn't be anything new. As a matter of fact first generation educated immigrants regardless of race typically have higher than average IQ/academic marks.

A factor op hasn't talked about is that population logistics with regards to race can effect IQ of varying populations. He remarked that Black American IQ is higher than sub-Sahara because of white admixture but another important factor besides admixture (and diet too) is that isolating a relatively small population (hundreds of thousands of imported migrants compared to millions of natives) from their original population can in fact renorm their IQ average because they are no longer subjected to an old attractor in dynamic system genetically speaking. So by you and other Africans moving over to America you influence the IQ average of a sub-population of blacks globally.

Why are you committing the time to think about such an irrelevant and boring thing? This has no practical value. Go outside and wonder why butterflies land and some flowers and avoid other flowers of the same kind, or something. Just get a life. The only reason this is talked about is because some sad sacks of shit spending 13 hours a day in front of a screen are addicted to (You)s.

>>9681413
>economically and academically, blacks will never achieve parity with whites, and not because we are keeping you down, but because of genetics. this isn't your fault, but whites can't keep going on thinking it's their fault either. it's not good for either party.
See
>>9681355
>>9681267

>you're not stupid because you're brown. american blacks already have a higher average iq than india, and indians have made plenty of contributions to science and mathematics. i've met three black people who i'd consider smarter than the average white person.
>but you still can't blame economic and academic disparities on white oppression. you can't expect equal outcomes.
See
>>9681175

>>9681816
Just hide the thread and it will go away

>>9681814

The problem is op and others are just focusing on blacks when there are other populations with low IQ as previous post stated. No one is talking about Khoisan, Aboriginal Australians, Tusgens and Atlais when it comes to low IQ. So it's pretty blatant this just another black hate thread rather than a sincere thread about IQ and populations.

>IQ is a meme
>It is an environmental factor not a genetic factor
>This is just an excuse to be racist
>Everyone is going to hate me for this
>I might get banned for this
>But this is the truth.

I am from Sub Saharan Africa and will confirm, the average intelligence level here is low. Not slightly low, but really REALLY low (read borderline retarded)

>>9681832
How many African pygmies or Australian Aborigines are there in the entire world? Do you know? Because I do. The combonation of both of them... ALL of them COMBINED... is less than the population of American blacks in the city of Atlanta.

Your objection is ridiculous.

>>9681846
My post explains why you're wrong and gives citations to studies and evidence showing why you're wrong. Literally all of science is in my corner. Do you have ANY evidence? At all?

>>9681816
Was for (you)
>>9681723

>>9681771
I hope not
>>9681780
Yeah I grew up with a bunch of Somali friends and they aren't too bright, the only value they see in themselves in the workforce is their bodies.
>>9681781
Kind of tired 2bh but If points like 14. 16. and 18 conclude iq is mostly hereditary but isn't impossible to influence through environmental factors. Does that mean my parents must have an iq close to mine (not likely) or is my iq influenced so much from the environment I was raised in that my genetics aren't significant even slightly. Not complaining I just want to understand it better
>>9681790
Good points I appreciate the studies made and the limits they will have. Just wouldn't want kids in elementary school to do worst because their average iq expects them to
>>9681797
Thanks man, the world would go in positive direction if blacks were trying to prove crime statistics wrong and Africa wasn't such a shitstorm.
>>9681802
This clears a lot of things up. My question is pretty much answered now

no food, less iq

can you post this on a pdf or google doc or some permanent source. OP?

I want to share it everywhere

>>9681904
To push a racist agenda? Or....

>>9681905
Woops. It does look like I'm trying to do this. I was trying to convince op since I guess he would be happy to have his post shared.

It's so I can send it to friends with which I discused IQ with. (and I dont want them to know I'm a go to chinese foot massage websites)

>>9681309
>It's called freedom. Move to a low-crime neighborhood.

What if a bunch of blacks want to move to my neighborhood, when it starts prospering? Can the landed people of the community agree not to sell to black families? Are we free to do that?

>>9681871

How is ridiculous when most IQ threads talking about low IQ completely ignore the populations mentioned? The fact they are very often excluded lends credience to insincerity of the IQ discussion and genetics in general. The fact is Khoisan despite being proven a different race is often included in the nebublus Sub-Sahara African groping. The fact is Aboriginal Australians, Tusgens and Atlais have Neanderthal admixture but still have identical or lower IQ to Sub-Sahara Blacks who have little to no admixture at all. The fact is Tusgens and Atlais are northern asian populations with IQs in their low 70's but occupy cold climates. Which causes problems for the high IQ selection due to colder environments argument that's been pushed in threads like these since they should have been selected out. Where's the discussions concerning this?

>you must read 500 000 pages of scientific literature and be tenured before you can say anything about IQ
give me the short version please
like how does it work? Intelligence is genetic how?

>>9681905
Yeah everyone knows that these are HATEFACTS and this information can only be used to perpetuate systemic racism and is therefore only a matter of concern to white male racists. You racists disgust me.

>>9681932
What else can you do with pseudo-scientific racialism?
I'd suggest kindling, but this is the internet so that's a no go.

>>9681943
>pseudo-scientific racialism

Gonna need evidence for how this is 'pseudo-science.'

>>9681014

Can you give a few sources on how IQ relates to success?

>>9681932
It's all about how you present it.

OP starts out with lies and agendas:
>I'm going to go over the evidence for not only the existence for the fact that intelligence is heritable and the IQ gap is therefore genetic and NOT caused by social issues like test bias, culture bias, or socioeconomic factors.

Then his evidence talks about how it's a combination of genetics and environment.

>>9682020
Yeah, but IQ has a heritability of about .8. So, he's right that it would be mostly genetic.

>>9680981
>Nevertheless... in my day job, I study things like this... and since I work for a private company in the private sector
Sure you do, bud.

>>9681234
Regression to the mean throws a wrench in that. It forces you to also consider groups, not just individuals.

>>9681928
What do cold climates have to do with anything? What?

>>9681905
People who label facts with political/ideological labels are insane.

>correlation=causation
>cromagnons had bigger heads so they were smarter
>early farmers were smarter
>first civilizations were smarter
>more intelligent people do x
[citation needed]

>>9682065
>what is the heritability of IQ

So what? Like seriously, why does this matter?

>>9680981
>literally a bunch of pseudoscientific babble
Iq is not science, sorry. Iq is pseudoscience.

>>9682027
I work at a human factors consultancy, specifically with regard to cognitive ergonomics and human/computer interactions. I actually helped write a program thats used by other companies in the field. An anon in another thread where I posted this actually found the name of the company I work for from the info I posted. But seriously, who cares? I'm not then. It makes literally no difference about the facts I posted... they're all backed up by evidence and citations.

>>9682047

Are you purposely trying to act retarded to avoid explaining yourself or are you really in a thread discussing IQ without awareness of one of the main hypothesis concerning how IQ gets selected in the first place?

>>9682077
>what is correlation
>what is causation

>>9682081
There has been a rise in IQ posting recently. The other day someone unironically called me a "sub-130 IQ brainlet" during an argument.

>>9682084
More psuedoscience babble?

>>9682090
Probably a teenager. People who feel or lack self-confidence tend to mention such stuff to protect their fragile ego. It's pretty reasonable though, teenagers' worldview is based on irrelevant retardness.

>>9682085
If you're referring to the "cold weather makes people smart" thing that white nationalists spew that has literally zero support by anyone at all in the scientific community.

The truth is that human intelligence evolved via a Fisherian runaway. Our intelligence is like the peacocks tailfeathers. Females selected for males with high verbal ability, and it took off from there and evolved extremely quickly.

rom Jack Palmer's "The Ultimate Origins of Human Behavior":

"At the end of Chapter 4 we suggested that human language abilities evolved very quickly as a result of runaway sexual selection where females came to select males on the basis of their language ability. Language allows one individual to assess certain cognitive abilities in the other. Through this mechanism, females who select mates with good language abilities, are also, in general, selecting mates with high levels of intelligence. In chapter 7 an argument is made with respect to creative/artistic abilities because they conferred the possessors of such abilities, novel methods for attracting a mate...
...
...There is a simple reason there is not a huge size disparity between the brains of men and women like the size disparity between peacock tails and peahen tails. It is because assessing cognitive traits requires cognitive ability. As we pointed out in chapter 4, language provides a window into another person’s behavioral tendencies and abilities. Unfortunately, language also provides a means of signaling false intentions and making false claims. Females would have had to develop better and better detection skills for spotting male deception. Unlike, selection for a simple physical trait like fancy tail-feathers or a large rack of antlers, selection for mental complexity necessitated an arms race between the sexes for greater and greater neural complexity."

Geoffrey Miller's "The Mating Mind" explains it quite well too. It had nothing to do with cold weather.

>>9682087
Yeah, bro. We can't infer any genetic information about this at all. This opinion flies in the face of modern genetics, psychology, statistics, ect. But, you know, muh feelings don't like it.

>>9682097
LOL. Which words did you not understand?

>>9682136
>literally cannot stop making causation conclusions with non direct correlation data
Hmm...

>>9682087
People who use the "folk wisdom" line "correlation doesn't mean causation" are almost always morons.

The saying "correlation does not imply causation" has become this bullshit platitude that lets small minded people feel like they're saying something truly scientific and rational.

The person saying it almost always has some shitty agenda, and they almost always say it all smugly as if they just "told ya so". But in reality... yes it fucking does. Correlation might not absolutely mean causation... but it certainly implies it. it hints at it. it suggests it. That's the point. You might as well say "statistics aren't true".

>>9682024
Again with the misunderstanding of heritability. Read the thread.

>>9682144
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability

It's basic statistical analysis, you fucking sub-130 IQ brainlet. Is this hard for you to comprehend?

>Heritability measures the fraction of phenotype variability that can be attributed to genetic variation. This is not the same as saying that this fraction of an individual phenotype is caused by genetics. For example, it is incorrect to say that since the heritability of personality traits is about .6, that means that 60% of your personality is inherited from your parents and 40% comes from the environment

Wow, it's like you don't even understand the arguments you are trying to use.

>>9682137
Anon, good grief, iq is not science. Iq is pseudoscience. Why are you still forcing this pseudoscientific babble over here?
>>9682146
>you are x
Hmm...
>agenda
So you are trying to insert political matters into the discussion. Gee...I wonder who could be behind this post?
>>9682156
>it's basic
Except iq is not science, anon.
Iq is pseudoscience.

These pseudoscience supporters are out of control today...

>>9680981
Africans also never experienced Clark-Unz selection.

https://www.unz.com/jman/more-on-farming-and-inheritance-systems-part-i-iq/

>>9682165
You can't just claim something is pseudoscience and suddenly make it so. IQ is the most well understood and studied aspect in psychology. It fits with modern discoveries in genetics as well. YOu might as well say "genetics is pseudoscience". You have no idea what you're talking about.

Watson was a biased hack that took the hard experimental work of his betters and got lucky with a model that was one in a series of many.

Im not even being politically correct when i say that his immature chauvanism almost cost him the nobel prize.

Watson is the definition of someone mediocre who were blessed by circumstance.

>>9682183
Yet iq cannot even answer the most fundamental questions:
>doesn't know what is intelligence
>doesn't define intelligence influences
>doesn't explain intelligence physical mechanism
Iq is pseudoscience.
>you might
>you have
Yet iq is still not science. It's pseudoscience.

>>9682131

So assuming that our intelligence or IQ are based on mechanisms that cause Fisherian Runaway effect to occur. Why are there populations outside Africa (assuming from Africa theory is true) that have low IQ if they are genetically desecended from migrating populations that should have benifited from growing complex language systems? If degradation of a language system in a population in turn causes lower IQ what event would cause that to occur? Does mere isolation from other human populations in the case of Aboriginal Australians cause this? If so what about the others who still remain in close contact with outside populations? Or is it an issue specifically with female selection where other traits are favored instead due to survival purposes via the red queen hypothesis?

Obviously I'm aware that language and general literacy do in fact have influence over brain wiring and IQ so selection of intelligence via female selection for verbal proficiency is a viable hypothesis.

But what causes the splinter? I do not expect a fully comprehensive answer since the evolution of language variation would have to be included, has not been resolved yet and is a digression from the topic at hand.

>>9682156
can someone with knowledge in the field explain whether or not it's possible to derive genetic determinism from heritability? It's true that heritability is dependent on the environment but e.g. maximum height given the best possible environment is clearly not, and plausibly maximum IQ given a fuzzy childhood "ideal" is not either...

>>9681160

brain size does not itself directly correlate to intelligence, the REAL indicator is the amount of neurons, which can be affected by density

it's far, FAR more likely that our brains are getting smaller because they are simply getting denser, because as we all know human childbirth is incredibly dangerous due to the size of our heads, and maternal fatality during birth wasn't uncommon before modern medicine.

birds went through the same thing for different reasons, developing brains that can be as powerful as a chimps despite being drastically smaller.

Assuming modern society doesn't fuck everything up, I'd assuming that neural hyper-density is the future of human evolution.

>>9680981
Please fuck off, /pol/. Nobody is being enlightened by new information when you say niggers are stupid. We're just not that interested.

>>9682296
If you can't handle facts you don't belong on this board.

>>9680981
>he was ostracized for stating facts about race and intelligence despite being a Nobel prize winning scientist and one of the most successful scientists of his era
this is true

>>9680981

Good thread OP

Ty

>>9682415
OP is a fag, see here:
>>9682020

/sci/ saved the thread

>>9681014
/biz/ here
Quite an interesting read ty OP

what is the average IQ of people of the Indian subcontinent out of curiosity

>>9681021
Not OP here but I think it has to do with the fact that if your secular then intelligence is most likely a core part of your identity. One that you pride yourself on, that you also cannot change. Beyond a few points of environmental impact that is.

So conceptually it's the original sin a secular person's point of view. (Wish I could articulate that better apologies)

To be quite honest the implications of IQ are terrifying.

>>9680981
whoever designed that map has a low iq

>>9682295
But birds don't have a good capacity for abstraction do they ?
>>9682454
>race
>IQ
now it's about religion too? It can't get any more controversial at this point.

>>9682454

>To be quite honest the implications of IQ are terrifying.

How is it terrifying? It's no different from other limitations humans have experience. The entire point of us being a tool based species is to explicitly make up of for our shortfalls. It's actually more terrifying that we can manipulate every other species to such a wide degree than us doing it to ourselves.

Also if your fear is about it's ability to ""predict"" economical success then you would do well to remember that the current economy itself has been designed that way and IQ merely games the system.

>>9681925
It's illegal to discriminate home sales based on race, sexual orientation, national origin, etc., but it's entirely possible to have a gated/planned community with ordinances (and easements in the deeds) that require homeowners to sell to certain parties, namely, that ownership in the gated community is by pre-approval by the governing board. I could name a number of communities within 50 miles of my location with such ordinances; they tend to be prohibitively expensive to live in except by a few and all of them have a waiting list. Whatever criteria the various boards use to determine which parties qualify for homeownership may or may not be codified.

So your answer is yes, with qualifications.

>>9682564
Not easements, but covenants. I just woke up.

>>9681925
Why do you assume a black family moving into your neighborhood will ruin it?

>>9682586

because blacks bring poverty and crime wherever they go.

>>9682077

lol, best reaction gif i've seen in a while

>>9680981
my thoughts on looking at your map are
>black people live in some of those lovely high iq countries in large amounts
>lots of white people in south africa

>developed countries tend to have better education and people tend to have more time to study i.e. dont have to work from 11yo onwards

>who wrote the test, probably a white person? whats their bias? do they think the things western societies value are better measures of intelligence?
>no mention of sample size methodology or reach

>statistically meaningless chart

frankly, there are racial differences in lots of parts of the human body but genetically speaking they are minor to the point humans are considered the same species.

racial theory of intelligence is kinda bullshit though as it basically intended to support white nationalism anyway

psudoscience eugenics is a bad road to go down and these sorts of studies fuel them - you could call it dangerous science for sure.

yes some things shouldnt be done - for example we dont use the data the nazis gained from human experimentation due to the moral implications.

>>9680981
>>9680982
>>9680984
>>9680985
>>9680988

Say what you will about race and intelligence, but that map you posted and its results are utter shite, and I question its methodology, sample size and sample selection.

If anything, I'd argue Russia would get much worse results, especially relative to the West and Japan.
They have an abysmal life expectancy, as well as outrageously high rates of alcohol and tobacco consumption, which directly affect the physical and intellectual abilities of the population.
People here are so fixed on the genetic determinants of intelligence but forget the profound effects of environmental factors on cognition and physical development.

Take tropical regions - when your body lacks essential nutrients and spends exorbitant amounts of energy fighting of various diseases during developmental years, is it really surprising that your cognition end up being weakened?

>>9682688
Obviously Russia is god tier. Who do you think pays for the race and IQ threads? Why would they pay for those threads if not to imply they where god tier?
lel im full of shit, i dont even believe shills are posting it, just normal /pol/ users

>>9680981
I think that almost everything you said is sound, but we need to keep in mind that these IQ score statistics have been determined by making estimations using standardized tests (SAT, GRE, etc). No IQ society accepts newer versions of most of these tests (except for the LSAT) for very good reasons. I think the rate of violence and crime among minority populations is more telling of their average IQ than these weak SAT-IQ conversions.

>>9682718
russia is god tier tho, unironically
they are responsible for like half of modern technology achievements

>>9682926
Historically, as in second half of 20th century, maybe.
But data suggests that the contemporary Russian population is all but god-tier.

>>9680981
No one in my family has gone past secondary education (in my country you finish it at age of 16). I'm finishing my second college career without even studying. Explain how this is heritable.

>>9682993
>What are outliers

>>9681046

>autism & related have severe, detrimental effects on memory

But that's wrong , you literal retard. People with ASD have 'uneven' intelligence. There's autist with extremely high visual/spatial IQ scores but fail at verbal test and vice versa. Autist with insanely good rote memory, bordering on savant syndrome. Autist that excel at pattern recognition and finding details. Aspies tend to score much higher on SQ than EQ than the general population. You might be a dumb ass but dont speak for everyone.

>>9681191
Because they need a reason to feel superior to other people and it's easier to say niggers are genetically predisposed to have an IQ if 70 and leave it at that instead of actually taking care of your own life and focusing on your own accomplishments.

>>9683126
No one cares about feeling superior we are just showing you how nonhuman mentally the negro race is so you can exterminate them.

>>9682911
Except Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans.

How is this hard to get?

>>9682586
Smart negros tend to know lots of dumb negroes who visit them and thats a danger to whites. The parents might be fine but the teenage niglets are human cancer that terrorize the community.

>>9681043
Leave it

Another /pol/ raid...

>spider man
>spider man
>does whatever
>a spider can
>spins a web
>and he climbs
>catches bad guys
>just like flies

>>9682993
Heritability of intelligence is not even remotely controversial. This isn't up for debate

Imagine the stormfag tears and cries of white genocide if a "racism" gene was identified and people started aborting embryos predicted to grow up to be racist.

>>9683647
All they need to do is find an autism gene and no stormfag will ever be born again.

>>9683147
[citation needed]

>>9680981
>intelligence is heritable and the IQ gap is therefore genetic
environment can be hereditary

>>9681201
You know, I really hate genocide but I do like solutions. This is something I'm not seeing enough of here.

What are you nerds gonna do about this IQ disparity thingy?

>>9684902

Flynn effect it. Low IQ nations are uniformly non-flynn affected yet, meaning they haven't had the nutritional and educational improvements that result in the Flynn Effect, which boost national IQ scores by between 20 and 30 points. All national gaps can be explained by this magnitude of effect.

Economic development leads to nutritional and educational improvement. Sound economic policy is the only real solution. They all need globalist capitalism.

>>9685928
But I thought IQ was genetic

>>9681201

His premise is false, there is not enough data to determine a long term negative trend in countries where the Flynn effect appears to have ended. There is no issue or problem to be solved in this respect. Its literally just a crazed right wing political talking point pulled out of a hat.

>>9685933

It is, and people cannot reach their genetic potential without exceptional nutrition and heavy intellectual stimulation during early brain development.

>>9685937
Is there any hope for someone past childhood?

>>9685933
How heritable a trait is has nothing to do with distributions of phenotypes or population genetics between populations.

You could say the sex of sea turtles is 90% heritable, but temperature plays a part as well. On warm beaches where the eggs are layed, they are more male turtles born. This doesn't mean there is any genetic different between turtles that hatched on warm beaches or cooler beaches. This is one of the hardest concepts for /pol/tards to understand. Heritability has nothing to do with population genetics. Just because IQ is highly heritable does not mean differences in traits between populations is 100% due to genetics.

>>9682460
>But birds don't have a good capacity for abstraction do they ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-0Bpe0J34

>>9681014
>Nobody wants a piece of this? All the anti-IQ anons love to debate this issue when they're up against alt-righters who don't really know much about it... but now... where are you? Helloooo? ANyone?
It's damage control for the results of the Ezra and Harris debate.

>>9683613
Everything is up for debate.
For instance: Very seldom have there been a strong difference in upbringing and nutrition when doing twin studies which means there are significant external factors that are hard to compensate for.

Yes there _have_ been such cases but then we return to the problem of statistics: they are statistics so that rare cases are hidden in the noise.

>>9685988
This.

>>9680995
>22."There is no definitive answer as to why bell curves differ across racial-ethnic groups. The reasons for these IQ differences between groups may be markedly different from the reasons for why individuals differ among themselves within any particular group"

>>9680981
>I'm going to go over the evidence for not only the existence of a general IQ gap between the races, but the evidence for the fact that intelligence is heritable and the IQ gap is therefore genetic and NOT caused by social issues like test bias, culture bias, or socioeconomic factors.

These contradict, which is it?

Besides, I don't think anyone doubts that intelligence is an inherited trait and has genetic factors, there's a bigger issue with people acting like culture/socioeconomics etc have zero effect and literally everything to genetics, especially when they use it to make themselves feel comfortable with being an asshole to people based purely on their skin colour

>>9685928
African Negroids are in the low 60s the low 60s THE SAME FUCKING IQ as the earliest humans on this planet, nothing short of a complete rework of their neurogenetics would make them smarter on average. I notice you leftist tend to ignore that negros are in the 60s while the dumbest eurasians like the natives of the New World are only in the low 80s, why arent the blacks in the low 80s? Its because they are much much dumber than amerindians thats why. The only races that have comparable intellect are the ones Abos come from, the african pgymies, and the Hottentots. There is no Eurasian type human such as us with intelligence this low on average. Even funnier is that Black Americans which are around 20% European only have IQs in the low 80s. Despite the fact Black Americans are actually more intelligent than Africans people keep insisting race has nothing to do with intelligence whatsoever.

Why are niggers so stupid? Because they reached the limit to how smart they can get in their environment. What this really means is that Africa doesnt make the feral retards starve allowing the actually intelligent negros to slowly outbreed them which is turn would raise the negro racial average IQ over the millenia. No Africa is effortless for a 60 IQ to dwell in and thats exactly why blacks are retarded. The highest african nations have IQs in the high 70s which is still the retard range showing the chances of niggers getting to the 80s will never happen unless the environment in Africa changes in a way that kills off the braindead blacks which would make only the smart ones live and enhance the cognitive abilities of their race.

This has already occured for us Eurasians, we whites cannot get any smarter unless we use eugenics the low 90s- to low 100s is as far as we can naturally evolve. Ashkenazi Jews are literal proof of this requiring eugenics to bridge past the low 100s in IQ.

>>9686553
Stay mad white boi

>>9686553
Notice as you go south Eurasians become dumber because the environment allows dumber say high to low 80 individuals to thrive long enough to reproduce to the point they are the dominant intelligence in a group, it could be Islamic inbreeding that fucked up the brains of the middle east or maybe they always were that dumb but it contradicts human history. North East Asians are the smartest naturally evolved humans on earth meaning their area of the globe is the most mentally challenging killing off almost every impulsive individual that is why the gooks and nips appear so civilized compared to us white people because they literally mentally are. In contrast the asians in south east Asia are dumber than them and more impulsive in behavior with IQs in the low 90s what is interesting is that they are this smart living in jungles and those areas really make humans fucking stupid like what we see in the Amazon tribes.

>>9686567
>that is why the gooks and nips appear so civilized compared to us white people because they literally mentally are

>>9686579
Whites are dumber than asians on average, while we the monopoly on inventive autist they are a much smarter more civilized race than us. I mean have you seen their religions its not OOGA BOOGA JESUS LOVES ME bullshit.

>>9683091

as i've said in the past, most people with autism are low-functioning. the "autistic savant" archetype is nonsense.

>Autist with insanely good rote memory, bordering on savant syndrome. Autist that excel at pattern recognition and finding details

there is a minority of people who display these traits, which they possess in spite of autism, not because of it. those are just the only skills they're left with when communication/social skills fail to develop normally.

>>9686605

in fact, this should be pretty easy for you statisticians to verify. what percentage of people with autism have these exceptional skills? they probably don't occur more often in people with autism than the overall population.

>>9686590
Part of me wants to believe you're actually serious but that just cannot be

>>9686618
and if this is the case, it may just be a compensatory mechanism for their other deficiencies. like how a blind person can't really hear better, but tends to listen better.

>>9686619
The point is the negro race will never advance no matter what you do, unless Africa becomes colder or arid to the point it actually starts killing off niggers they will remain this dumb forever. Civilization actually hurts blacks because it just increases the amount of feral retard blacks making them stupider overtime like we in our AfroAmerican population that has more morons right now than smart people back in the early 1900s.

>>9686269
the bird was so bad this proves me right
>what color?
>...squawk

>>9686642
>The point to my braindead argument is relevant

>>9686628

but "social justice" is a farce to suppress white ethnic cohesion and to avoid talking about difficult problems, so naturally those suffering from developmental/psychological disorders are SOL unless those problems can somehow be blamed on racial discrimination.

So we should start a eugenics program like Dor Yeshorim to increase black IQ or something?

>>9686694
neo-nazi alt-right talking point

that is not science buddy

>>9686779
No. Just pretend that they are low IQ white people.

I wonder how language affects IQ, and how does it work retroactively: how does IQ affect language?

Creole is, ignoring PCness, an obviously dumb language, whereas Hebrew is a highly logical and functional language, and yet it is simpler than Portuguese which is full of little intricacies. English makes no sense whatsoever and things are the way they are because they are.

A ghetto nigga says "Dawg" because of his lower IQ, or does he have a lower IQ because he says "Dawg"?

And not saying it is wrong to speak it like this, or dumber: but it is so to speak like this and ignore the alternatives which are much more enabling for deeper, more confined understanding, like "good sir". Dawg can be evil and good both, whereas good sir cannot.

>>9680985
>The difference in native Sub-Saharan African IQ scores versus American Black's IQ scores can be explained by the fact that American Blacks have, on average, 20%-25% European ancestry.
Why are Nigerian immigrants in the US and the UK more successful than African American?
https://m.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php

>>9687154
Are Igbo or Yoruba dumb languages?

>>9686553
>Africa is effortless
1. Africa is huge, and the climatic conditions are different from each parts of the continent
2. Africa is a high disease burden and has shory growing seasons.

>>9686553
http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2011/08/devastating-criticism-of-richard-lynn.html?m=1

>>9687090
>neo-nazi alt-right talking point

neither are elon musk threads but we get about 100 of them every day. eat a dick.

>>9687180
I haven't the singlest idea

>>9686567
A significant amount of the middle east is desert lands. Perhaps the hardest climate to survive and the most in need of adaptability.

Also its weird to bring up inbreeding as an argument. Was inbreeding not a significant part of European aristocratic history? Are you implying that the descendants of the aristocrats are now the low iq? Because that contradicts a lot of what IQ baiter preach. Also the Ashkenazim are heavily inbred as are the Indian Brahmin. If inbreeding didnt affect them why do you imply it affected Muslims.

As much as the autists here would like to admit, brain size does correlate with intelligence. Larger brains and or heads equate to an increase in cranial capacity(obviously). Now of course factors such as brain density and or size ratio play into this too. But the general consensus is, the larger the brain of a given animal. The better the indicator of its intelligence and to everyone's surprise. Eurasians(excluding southern Dravidians) on average have larger heads/brains than African Negroids.

Well maybe Dravidians have larger brains than Negroids but I mean its hard to tell. Both hominids just seem equally retarded in my eyes.

The problem with these generalizations on countries based on these maps is that it doesnt take brain drain into account. For example in the US Arabs, Persians, Indians, and Nigerians all have higher median salaries then whites. Obviously this is because of merit based immigration. But wouldn't that imply that the IQ deficiency in some countries is because all their most capable go to Europe or America.

>>9687303
or the fact that their populations tend to be poorer and less educated.

>>9687323
so we don't know for sure if their lack of education is the main cause or genetics.

>>9681021
No one is. We've known about the objections to these studies for a long time; they were the mainstreamup until quite recently. The reasons why they are so contested ranges from; muh feelings, to the downright academically fraudulent. Just because something is challenged doesn't mean it isn't true, especially when the manner in which it is challenge relies on bad assumptions and even worse intentions.

>>9687164
They are only sending their best, same with Chinese immigrants.

>>9687282
>As much as the autists here would like to admit, brain size does correlate with intelligence. Larger brains and or heads equate to an increase in cranial capacity(obviously).
Where does that put neanderthals?

>>9681298
>random people from across the world who just so happen to share the same skin color as you
What happened to race being a social construct, now your side is arguing that even the Aryan race is subdivided into smaller and smaller categories. Just how many races exist on Earth now in your view? If race exists, as it does, and IQ differences in race exist (as they do) then we are well within our right to discriminate. In a world where race exists, racism is only rational.

>>9687491
>Aryan Race
lmao the only people i see still pedaling that shit are indian nationalist that bootlick whites. The majority of your "Aryan Race" are brown guys named pajeet.

>>9682020
>test bias
>cultural bias
These are not environmental factors and are dealt with in the OP in any case.
>socioeconomic factors.
This could be taken in the context of environmental factors, but is also dealt with by the OP, where he states that the differences are smaller but still significant between different races within the same socioeconomic group.

>>9687480
that picture is so shit. neanderthals had bigger brains and no chins (present in top pic but not in bottom). their bigger brain was supposedly due to better eyesight

>>9682203
You definition of science is off which is causing your confusion over what is and isn't pseudoscience. We have a hypothesis that there will be differences in the IQ of races based on the Theory of Evolution alone. Couple that with the intelligence testing done on subjects shows us results which are inline with what we observe and these tests are repeatable and give the same scores consistently across all races. Therefore this passes the test of a real science; hypothesis, testing, falsifiability and reproducability. ergo; You have no argument.

>>9682940
Agreed. In the region of 75% of modern scientific advancements came from the British Isles.

>>9687506
Yeah, that's why I used the term. I believe if we are trying to describe a larger racial group than simply white, as in Europeans and Caucasians which might include people from Iran, Afghanistan and certain parts of India then Aryan is a useful adjective. I think that some groups like the Southern Indians and some Semitic groups are too out of the pale to strictly come under the term Aryan. They are either too interbred with Aboriginal people or are simply too inbred and begin to qualify as their own race. Also it pisses off the SJWs crowd, which is a good enough reason in itself.

>>9687303
>>9687323
>>9687324
No.

Anyone who hasn't seen firsthand the OP's post and pic in their own lives is a MORON.
There are a lot of morons out there.

fucking faggot ass /pol/

>>9687477
Not really, there is no program done to do it, it's indeed brain drain, but they aren't selectively choosed by the govt. So the result should be lower.

>>9682688
>Take tropical regions - when your body lacks essential nutrients and spends exorbitant amounts of energy fighting of various diseases during developmental years, is it really surprising that your cognition end up being weakened?
Nice fantasy - that childhood diseases explain the 30 point IQ gap. Unless you can provide some evidence?

>>9687164
Two possible explanations:
- Nigeria is on the edge of the Sahara.
- There's more variation in African populations than white.

>>9687480 That nigger has Eurasian admixture. Niggers generally have raisin heads.

>>9688176
>- Nigeria is on the edge of the Sahara.
There are more than 500 languares/ethnic groups in Nigeria

>>9684421
Transformation is for bacteria.

I doubt that the environment could significantly impact how the brain grows, so much so to actually affect ones IQ.

>>9687164
No, it can't be explained by white ancestry, not even a little bit. Native Africans have an IQ score of 70 while american blacks have an iq score between 85-90. That's a 15 point increase at lowest, which can't be explained by having around 20% white ancestry since the iq of mixed individuals tend to be the mid point of both races, in turn, the mid point between native africans and whites is 85, which means African American blacks would need to be 50% white for a white ancestry explanation to fit here. In conclusion, the gains in the IQ of African Americans prove that the heritability hypothesis is heavily exaggerated, since the environment alone has boosted the AA IQ by almost 20 points if you believe the reports that place the African IQ at 70 and the AA IQ at 90 instead of 85(I believe 90 is more accurate).

>>9680981
Everybody knows that niggers are on average borderline retarded. There are more interesting issues to be discussed on this board than these same threads on IQ race etc.

>>9686468
Everyone of any decent age knows by experience that genetics is the cause. You take any group and it's what you get, period.
Everyone also knows dumb shits in school. No matter what, they won't be learning a lot.
Likewise, we all know the brains, who can't stand the dumb shits who raise their hands in query constantly on god damned basics.
Everyone learns the inherent racial differences in IQ just by going to god damned school.
Only lying assholes can deny it.

>>9688823
The truth about intelligence is gaining mainstream acceptance. PGD might become a thing in the west soon.

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/04/iq-trap-how-study-genetics-could-transform-education

>>9688812
>No, it can't be explained by white ancestry, not even a little bit.
The denial of lying sack of little bit shit.

>>9683647
Yeah, BLM wold be gone forever, so would affirmative action and all the ghettos (LOL the ghettos ... yeah, maybe not).
Then we could ship you niggers back to africa and it would just be cultural love. Sounds great !

One thing that i've thought of that could be in favor of intelligence staying same between different races even with separation spanning thousands of years. First off, it would be pretty accurate to expect that the smarter a population is the better it's chances of survival etc. smart = good. And then if we look at the structure of the human brain, it is inherently limited, if you make it bigger you increase the distance between parts and if you make it smaller you reduce the number of neurons, so basically humans can't get smarter within the limitations of meat. So it would make sense that in all populations globally the intelligence would stay within this practical limit of what can be achieved and differences between single people can be attributed to just random mutations.

>>9687164
The word is immigrant not native. This is like saying Indians are smart due to how successful Indian Americans are despite Indians having IQs in the low 80s.

>>9687303
There is no brain drain because third world dumps barely generate smart people.

>>9688812
Americoon IQ is in the 70s not 80s. That 85 statistic applies to a continental scale a state scale IQ tells you how braindead black americans are. The environment argument doesnt work since you need ALOT of time to mutate higher intelligence and saying these 60 IQ fucktards bridged into the upper 70s in five centuries is pure stupidity.

i wonder sometimes, if you loons actually believe the racist crap you come out with!

>>9690106
They want a bogeyman to blame for everything wrong in their life.

Why are people obsessed talking about africans and there diaspora. This is kinda unhealthy to think about people not only africans but humanity in general.

>>9689858
India, Persia, and parts of the arab world. Specifically lebanon, syria, palestine and iraq all produce smart people.

>>9687520
The definition you are spouting is applied in social sciences where fenomena isn't even described but implied elements based on the psychology theory of the decade, are used for statistics and thrown in the archive without any kind of physical or direct fenomena explanation.

Iq is included in the social "" science "" topics and research.

>>9681376
>commit 90%+ of rapes despite being 50% of population

>Wow, I wonder why women are jumpy around men

pretty sure most pedophiles in the us are white too

>>9690731
hardly fair when the average indian household is 20 people

If the lower average IQ of sub-saharan Africans can be attributed to lack if Neanderthal ancestry, what causes the lower average IQ in hispanics?

>>9680981
I want you to add Gdp per capita and education to your regression before we go to any more conclusions

>me
>university
>doing undergraduate general education
>going for a mathematics and finance bachelors of science
>Africa class
>final project
>20% of grade
>analyze a ton of literature
>basically have written thirty pages sucking Africa's dick

Why is it like this? I know Africa is an impoverished diseased place with HUGE income disparity, and yet I have to act like it is basically the same as any other developed nation. I know Sub-Saharan Africa has the lowest average IQ scores on the planet, but if I don't act like their methods of culture are just as valid as that of places like Korea, Italy, or the US, i'll get a bad grade.

Feels real fucking bad man. I've got three more chapters to do boys. Due on Friday.

>>9691000
But they do have it. Why you'd link intelligence to neanderthal ancestor despite it being EXTREMELY small.

>>9681890
>the only value they see in themselves
Only /pol/tards use that expression.
Sage.