/sci/ - Science & Math

You can roughly estimate the number of white hate group members based on the total members of the KKK (6000 according to wiki), the number of KKK chapters (72 according to SPLC), and the total number of white hate groups (490 according to SPLC).
You get about 40,000. That's 0.01% of the population (325.7 million according to google).
Almost 63 million voted for Trump, so if we assume all white hate group members voted for him, they made up 0.06% of Trump voters.

But then in late 2017, a poll found that 9% of Americans (29 million) find white supremacist views "acceptable."
>http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-aug-16-20-2017/2235/
That number is 725 times larger than the rough estimate of white hate group members.

So are there 40,000 or 29,000,000 white supremacists in the US?

>>9659013
I’m pretty sure more republican Cubans alone voted for Trump than white supremacists

>>9659014
>>9659013
So the problem is that you don't have to be an official member of a hate group to share similar views. It's almost impossible to say how many Trump voters were white supremacists, but it must be a far larger number than simply looking at the groups.

>>9659020
>it must be a far larger number than simply looking at the groups.
What are you basing this claim on?

>>9659024
Common sense

>>9659032
Based on a few google searches, there's probably about 50,000 members of Satanist organizations (e.g. The Church of Satan) in the US.
Would you also assume that this is only a tiny proportion of the total Satanists in the country?

>>9659044
How about members of a church vs Christians?

>>9659057
I don't know.
But how do you know white supremacists aren't like Satanists?

>>9659013
ALL WHITE PEEPO NAZI

>>9659080
Common sense. The Confederate flag represents white supremacy too.

>>9659013

zero. there's no such thing as a "hate group". only controlled opposition.

>>9659088
The 490 white hate groups the SPLC lists include neo-Confederates.

>>9659089

controlled opposition sets a socially unacceptable example, and white knights virtue signal by disassociating themselves from any related beliefs.

>>9659098

because most people are bootlickers who are deathly afraid of social failure/defeat. they desperately try to avoid making even a minor faux pas, without even standing back and looking at how insane current social norms actually are.

>>9659024
4chan has 27 unique montly visitors
/pol/ has at least 1.4m (extrapolated from moot's figure for /v/ in 2015, probably way higher)

>>9659110

they'd even eat dishwasher soap if they thought it would improve their social standing or garner attention.

>>9659014
>the total number of white hate groups (490 according to SPLC).

The irony is that the SPLC is a hate group. This is like the blind criticizing the deaf.

>>9659119

and this model of conformance is reinforced to such a high degree that people who won't or can't fit within it are effectively weeded out of society.

>>9659134

the cherry on top of the cake is watching these same bootlickers call for "social justice".

>>9659015
>a poll

>>9659136

and then act shocked when their beliefs are called into question. as if their worldview was molded by god himself.

>>9659151

there's nothing wrong with social justice, but when did people turn into such tools?

>>9659116
I just went looking for statistics on this.
>4chan has 910,000 posts a day
>132,923 are on /pol/ (according to 4stats.io)
>thus /pol/ gets 14% of 4chan's daily activity
>so let's assume /pol/ has 14% of 4chan's users, i.e. 14% of 27.7 million
>14% of 27.7 million is 3,878,000
>47% of 4chan's traffic is from the US (according to 4chan.org/advertise)
>47% of 3,878,000 is 1,822,660
So based on these numbers, there are 1,822,660 US /pol/ users.
That's 45 times as many as are members of white hate groups. It's 0.56% of the US population, and it's 2.89% of Trump voters.

>>9659154
Glorifying failure is not a good thing.

>>9659178
This is actually kind of unnerving. If the US had only 200 people, 1 of them would be a /pol/ user.

Anyway, the question becomes: what proportion of white supremacists use /pol/?

Apparently 89% of the US uses the Internet.
>http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/05/some-americans-dont-use-the-internet-who-are-they/

So if 89% of white supremacists are online, and 100% of online white supremacists use /pol/, then there are 2,047,933 total white supremacists in the country.
But we shouldn't assume 100% of white supremacists on the Internet use /pol/. We might assume most do, though. "Most" means "more than half," so let's say 51%. Then there are 3,573,843 white supremacists on the Internet, and 4,015,554 in the country. That's 1.23% of the US population, and 6.37% of Trump voters.

Can we define what 'white supremacy' is?

The version of white supremacy I think we're most familiar with is the actual white supremacy. You know, them toothless rednecks that want the US and all of Europe to be for white people only. Or, if they have non-whites, treat them as slaves and sub-humans. That's what I think when I imagine white supremacist. A kind of person that wants a government and society and culture that's 100% white supremacist and either marginalizes accomplishments of non-European descended people, or takes credit for them, and tries to breed other groups of people out, kill them or make them starve to death.

With this definition, anyone that would be against equality for all human people, regardless of heritage or skin tone, in favor of only recognizing the rights of whites, would be a white supremacist. Otherwise, you're just a regular dude. If you discriminate against someone for a job because they're not white, you're a white supremacist. If you discriminate against someone because of their heritage, you are a racist. Perhaps not a white supremacist, if you aren't white.

However, some would say that mathematics itself is 'white supremacist' (or White supremacist, since these people believe White is a political designation, not a specific group of Europeans.) They believe to want a country to speak English as its naitonal language is white supremacist- while having no such problems with mandating others speak Spanish or Mandarin or French in their homelands.

So. What definition of white supremacy are we using? What is the "reasonable" one?

>>9659307
To put this in perspective: 8% of Trump voters were black.
So based on these numbers, if all white supremacists voted, then white supremacist votes still had less of an effect towards Trump's victory than black votes did.

>>9659015
The same people who took this poll put Hillary's chance of winning at more than 90%. Get some better sources.

>>9659013
>SPLC

This information is complete garbage. They have been caught adding random churches to their list of "active hate groups".

>>9659343
>>9659349
I switched from those numbers to numbers based on /pol/ from here on out :>>9659178

>Is there any way to know scientifically

Using the word "scientifically" doesn't give you permission to post a /pol/ thread on /sci/

>>9659013
Oh wow, there's a chapter house within driving distance of me. I think I'll join. Thanks, OP.

>>9659343
They were assuming that 3 million more votes would mean something.
So silly.

>>9659307
>So if 89% of white supremacists are online, and 100% of online white supremacists use /pol/

This is a false assumption since hardcore white supremacists only use infinity's /pol/. And it is reasonable to assume that there are white supremacists that do not use boards.

>>9659439
I did take that into account in the remainder of the post, look again.

>>9659422
No problem mate. How do you plan on joining? Just walk up, knock on the door, and start telling whoever answers about the groups of people you hate?

>>9659013
You can't say trump one because of a single factor.

You forget how shit the US electoral system is and how shit all the other presidents have been.

People are tired and want a change, but they are so fucking ignorant they will pick anything for a change.

MAGA

America sucks and will always suck

>>9659537
>t. butthurt mexishit or europeasant
America is God´s country. Prosperous, with liberty and justice for all. Stay away.

>>9659199

i don't see what that has to do with any of the points i'm trying to make...

>>9659013
>>/lgbt/

>>9659154
That is as long as you don't force anyone to do anything. When you force people to work or send money for other people you create a group of people that is going to push for more hand outs and a race on who becomes less-priviliged for capitalizing this hand outs.

If you let people keep the fruit of its work and launch propaganda about being solidary(ala jewish tzedaka or christian values) people will be solidary and also push for a more efficient way of helping those who really need it. But that takes hard work and dedication, and can't be capitalized by psychopathic people, so the other way is what is happening now.

>>9659013
Jews would be extinct if their white supremacist meme was true.

>>9659564

Actually I am Canadian, which makes me superior with my with better health care, food, and education.

America fucking sucks

>>9659729
They were always tools

Social media just made them louder

>>9659013
How are you defining neo-Nazi and white supremacist?
Scientifically, you must define your terms before you can even hope to accurately measure their prevalence.

>>9659781
Woah woah

are you trying to have a real conversation while avoiding sensationalist politically fuelled propaganda marked by a serious lack of critical thinking?

shame on you anon.

>southern poverty law center

>>9659013
>white supremacists
What do you mean by this? Am I a PC supremacist for not wanting to play console games? Perhaps a BMW supremacist because I drive one and would like to keep driving it? Oh I'm also from Bulgaria and really like some parts of our culture, am I a Bulgarian supremacist?
What's the supposed line you have to cross to classify as a "supremacist", because depending on that definition the white supremacists are either close to non-existent or your definition of supremacy is retarded and overextended

>>9659790
You're right.
Such shame.
Such dishonor.
*Commits sudoku

>>9659781

*scoffs* ugh, you know, like, NAZIs? duh.

>>9659819
>>9659781
For thinking your race should dominate society because it is superior to other races.

>>9659869
>For thinking your race should dominate society because it is superior to other races.
Ah that's a good definition, thanks. Do you believe that more than 0.01% or perhaps 0.1% of the white population of USA, a nation which is as mixed as it gets, actually believes that?

>>9659869
oh, well yeah. i guess that makes me a white supremacist lol

>>9659869
Ah I see so my acknowledgment that the jews are superior makes me a jewish supremacist while not being a jew myself

>>9659178
Two words:
Dynamic IP

>>9659913
yep

he forgot to multiply by a correction factor that is < 1

>>9659869

so you're not bothered by the double standard where in-group preference is unacceptable when exhibited by white westerners but totally acceptable for literally everyone else? this doesn't seem just a bit odd?

>>9659178
>everyone on /pol/ is 100% hitlerboo
>every american IP is a unique person
>no one posts through proxies
>half of /pol/ doesn't consist of civic nationalist pro-racemixing /r/the_donald posters

That's a lot of assumptions you're making right there lad

>>9659891
>jews are superior
no, it makes you naive.

>>9659938
Are jews not the most successful group of people, both financially and academically, per capita? Why are you trying to deny the obvious truth?

>>9659940
because that group is Nigerian expatriates in the US.

>>9659941
What?

>>9659945
people who leave nigeria for the US having the highest expected average income, and highest expected average IQ of all peoples in the US.

also, jews make terrible scientists and athletes in the US, so you metric for "superiority" is blandly one dimensional and incomplete

>>9659951
>people who leave nigeria for the US having the highest expected average income, and highest expected average IQ of all peoples in the US.
Damn that's a very interesting statistic, mind giving me a link to it? Quite interesting indeed

>also, jews make terrible scientists and athletes in the US, so you metric for "superiority" is blandly one dimensional and incomplete
Oh shit they do?

>As of 2017, Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to 892 individuals,[1] of whom 201 or 22.5% were Jews,[note 2] although the total Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population.[2] This means the percentage of Jewish Nobel laureates is at least 112.5 times or 11,250% above average.

>>9659013
You can hate niggers and kikes without being a white supremacist.

>>9659959
>make a claim without sources
>see a counter claim
>"give a source"

>nobel prizes are only given for science

yeah, eat my ass

>>9659307
I'm pretty sure neo-nazis on facebook are more common than neo-nazis on 4chan, just because of how much more popular facebook is. If 100% of /pol/ are neo-nazis and 0.1% of facebook, it's still 2.2 million on facebook vs 1.8 million on /pol/

And facebook is extremely effective at creating bubbles as well

>>9659971
>make a claim without sources
oh haha no need for hostility buddy all you had to do is to just ask

Here's statistics directly disproving your argument of
>people who leave nigeria for the US having the highest expected average income
(they're not even top 50 btw)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

The jews, on the other hand, are second.
Now it's your turn to prove the superiority of the Nigerians my buddy. I'm here, I'll wait.

>nobel prizes are only given for science
But nigerian americans are the highest IQ race, where are their nobel prizes be it for science or not?

>>9659990
I hate you kikes so fucking much hope you get gassed you fucking egotistical kike

>>9659990
He's talking about immigrants, not former slaves.

>Forty-one per-
cent of the African-born population
had a bachelor’s degree or higher in 2008–2012, compared with 28 percent of the overall foreign born. Egypt (64 percent) and Nigeria (61 percent) were among the African countries of birth with the highest proportion of bachelor’s and higher degrees.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2014/acs/acsbr12-16.pdf

Plus there are many sub-populations of Nigeria. Look at the Igbo Jews, very smart people. Don't underestimate the Nigerians.

>>9660031
Just to add:
>A relatively high proportion of immigrants from Africa entered the United States on diversity visas (24 percent as com-pared with 5 percent of the overall foreign born), which require a high school diploma or equivalent work experience. The foreign born from Somalia, who mostly entered the United States as refugees or asylees (82 percent in 2010), not as diversity migrants (1 percent in 2010), were an exception to this overall pattern. Forty percent of the Somali born had less than a high school education.

And our head doofus wants to get rid of the diversity visas. Even though they get such good results. Hmmm..... Seems like he just wants less black people. We might have a white supremecist thing going on there.

>>9660031
>>9660051
>providing statistics doesn't count because XYZ *moves goalpost*

No problem, I can provide refuting statistics for your moved goalpost as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_of_birth_by_per_capita_income_in_the_United_States
Nigeria, again, couldn't make it to the top 50

By the way, the census you linked me gives statistics for African immigrants and African immigrants alone, how is that relevant at all with what we're discussing? The pic you attached also only compares black africans, not all immigrants. You continue to provide me no proof of the supposed superiority of Nigerians per capita when compared to the rest of the world, while I continue to provide you proof of their inferiority

>>9660099
I'm not the original guy who made the claim, but his claim was solely about immigrants. Off-topic but not wrong. I agree, not relevant to the discussion. I just piggybacked on that to point out a small supremecy-Trump connection, which is relevant.

>>9660051
>And our head doofus wants to get rid of the diversity visas.

Whats wrong with that? The US doesn't need immigrants, and it doesn't need non-Europeans. White is the USA. Only a negro turns immigration issues into white supremacy.

>Even though they get such good results.

They don't, especially not blacks, and the fact that you spread "muh nigerian" lie shows how pathetic blacks really are. Your race is so narcissistic that you make this about negros even though diversity visa, mostly target indians and chinese.

>Hmmm..... Seems like he just wants less black people.

Again, whats wrong with that? Even black shits like make me want them gone from the /sci/ too. You start a thread aimed at hating white people. And you dare slur a white person who hates you as "white supremacist"? There is no such thing as white supremacist,its a fact that blacks like you can't run nations. You're archaic humans, you don't belong here. There is no such thing as "white supremacy", it doesn't exist, there is however, a thing called "black inferiority" and thats something everyone believes.

Blacks have a lower IQ, no empathy, and prone to short sighted violent. Plus, they look kind of ugly. You s

>>9659013
>The narrative says that Trump won because of a groundswell of white supremacists
Trumps's victory is nothing more than the last gasp of the white blue collar worker.

>>9660648
>Blacks have a lower IQ, no empathy, and prone to short sighted violent behavior.

I have to agree on that.

>>9659013
>The narrative says that Trump won because of a groundswell of white supremacists
What narrative? The one from your asshole?

Trump lost the popular vote by over 30x what he what the electoral vote by. He squeaked by with under 80k votes in swing states. There are not 80k nazis in 5 swing states. Though there are a bunch of bigots. The story of the results is that democrats stayed home. Republicans showed up about the same or even less for Trump than Romney, democrats didnt turn out for Hillary nearly as much as Obama.

>>9661930
How many people were influenced by white supremecist propaganda tho?

>>9659013
Two points to be considered:
1.White supremacist is different from white nationalist.
2. Many nigger-haters are not white.

>>9662005
Very important distinction. Asians are particularly racist.

>>9662005
>1.White supremacist is different from white nationalist.
Same thing to me desu. Not like it matters anyway. Just reframe the question for both.

>>9662015
Um... Are Asians the white nationalists or the white supremacists...?

>>9662025
The distinction is the point of this thread was to quantify the effect white nationalists had on the election, which is often reduced to trump won because whites hate minorities. But the problem with that is a lot of minorities hate other minorities and this is often overlooked because minority-on-minority hate crimes are severely underrepresented in statistical analyses of the subject. The true effect of white nationalists on the electron was compounded by all races, and singling out white nationalists won't tell you much because their ideologies are not limited to their race (i.e other races think the same way, for example an asian may hate other minorities despite being a minority himself.)

>>9662043
Deleted because thought you lumped Asians with point #1.

Anyway, Asians are such a small portion of the population. They didn't affect much. You could look at voter turnout anyway, all minorities voted mostly Democrat, even Asians I think.

>>9659013
This is politics and not science. The SPLC and the ADL are infamous for just making stuff up. The best you could attempt would be a registry of official, publicly known groups, which would surely be useless because of the heavy opprobrium. The inescapable fact is that neither Russians nor Teutons are lurking under your bed and the term "Nazi" is over-used to the point of meaninglessness.

>>9662018
So you think that coexistence is the same thing as parasitic domination. Why do I think you are a sociology major?

>>9659971
25% of fields medalists are jewish
http://www.jinfo.org/Fields_Mathematics.html

>>9659738
And yet in the entire history of the world, Canada has accomplished... nothing.

>>9663503
SPACE ARM! SPACE ARM!

>>9659013
Magical invisible Nazis would not be so necessary if you added some more facts, such as the party that lost getting caught cheating in state primaries, or the candidate that lost being perhaps the most hated figure in modern American political history to include by her own putative supporters.

>>9659869
It's not about dominating anyone you fucking mongoloid despite what you have been told. National Socialism is about every race having a place of their own.

Africa for the Africans
China for the Chinese
Japan for the Japanese
Russia for the Russians
India for the Indians
England for the English
France for the French
etc...

Why am I a fucking criminal for pursuing actual genuine diversity and a long term solution for cultural conflicts? Fuck you, you're the monster here not me.

>>9664097
>still thinking in muh soil dimension
>not thinking Earth for humans
Faggots like you are the reason we will wipe ourselves in a year or two in nuclear war.

>>9664123
Muh soil dimension is actually extremely important for avoiding cultural conflicts within nations you piece of shit. Just take a look at the state of Europe for fucks sake.

>>9664097
>India for the Indians
>England for the English
>France for the French
>etc...

Israel for the... wait a moment.

>>9659017
This

>>9665027
Israel for the Jews and Palestine for the Palestinians. Again, what about this is complicated?

>>9659044
>Would you also assume that this is only a tiny proportion of the total Satanists in the country?

You don't have to be practicing satanist to hold satanic views.

>>9659738
>Actually I am Canadian, which makes me superior with my with better health care

The only canadians who say this are the ones who haven't yet had the pleasure of being blown off by the total quacks employed by the Canadian health care system.

>>9659923
I don't think we need to worry about blacks and spics dominating society any time soon. The Chinese have influence comparable to white people, and they're known to be racist, and nobody thinks it's okay (not even Reddit).

>>9665019
What about Africa, which is culturally uniform more than any other continent, but is also in a constant state of unrest and poverty?

It's not two different cultures creating conflict - but rather one shitty culture trying to bring everything else down with it. Conservative white people likely wouldn't mind an invasion of Japanese or South Koreans; their cultures are like nothing in North America, yet politically they align right up with the attitudes of the American southwest.

The only culture that can never proliferate is whatever's going on in Antarctica. Unfortunately I don't think humanity will ever cohabitate with talking animals that can't stop smiling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L7VJl76i9U

>>9665130
Its due to population growth. That's what anti-racists and pol both are all missing. Cram enough people into a small enough space, and they'll find reasons to form teams to compete for limited resources. Naturally, the teams will fall along racial lines.

>>9665130
Africa is not culturally uniform at all

>>9659738
As a leaf from a semi-wealthy family who lives in America, I'm gonna have to disagree on the healthcare. Canada won't expedite your treatment no matter how much you pay, which could be great for the huge majority of Americans - but it also reminds rich people that they are human just like everyone else, and that SUCKS for me! If you've got money to burn and save it for hospital bills, you will scoff at the idea of going anywhere else for healthcare. I don't know why but Americans love wasting their votes on policies that put greedy Jews like me at the front of the line. It makes sense though given the hazardous nature of high-paying white-collar jobs.

Btw, regardless of my preference, I'm just going to remind everyone that America's "catching cancer super early" statistic is dubious. Doctors go hard on finding cancer here because it's possible to sue, and win, if you pay for them to check you out and they miss something major.

>>9665130
>What about Africa, which is culturally uniform more than any other continent

>>9665179
>>9665277
Australia and Antarctica don’t count. Which continent is more culturally uniform than Africa?

>>9659013
I highly doubt white supremacist hate group members had a significant effect on Trump winning. A large subset of those groups are likely convicted felons and weren't eligible to vote anyway.

I'm a liberal for reference if that matters to you.

>>9659154
>there's nothing wrong with social justice
0/10
There definitely are things wrong with social justice. SJ classifies individuals into multiple groups (sex, class, race, etc.) and uses those classifications to punish or reward individuals regardless of their involvement in anything good or bad

>>9665291
>Moving the goalposts when you get btfo

>>9665146
So /pol/ never heard of Lee Kwan Yew? Looks to me like only one side is denying that tribalism is the human norm.

>>9659013
All white people are white supremacists.

>>9659089
>>9659098
>>9659110
>>9659119
>>9659134
>>9659136
>>9659151
>>9659154

why do you keep replying to yourself?

>>9659013
Right now there is a rough popular consensus that establishment policies and worldviews which have been in place for decades either do not work or produce undesirable results.
The establishment is of the opinion that things are going just ducky and does not want to lose decades of work, so they are dismissing critics as Russian hackers or as white supremacists.
These people are not Russians or Nazis, they are people with objections to government and mass media policy. They might be wrong about their objections but calling them Russians or Nazis has always been a cheap and dishonest trick that fooled only the uninformed.
That is what is happening.

>>9665130

>Conservative white people likely wouldn't mind an invasion of Japanese or South Koreans;

Is this bait? Whites socially discrimated against Asian farmers and indentured servant immigrants for over a century. Threw Japanese Americans in fucking camps throughout WW2 follow afterward a slow boil of anti-japanese sentiment for a decade.Then split the Korea population into "good" and "bad" koreans. The only reason they haven't been a target since is because conservatives view them as the lesser evil to increase immigrantion from South America/ Africa and Islamic Central Asia.

But with China's major global economic influence under a socialist state and South Korea's interest in getting back together with North Korea (the "bad" Korea) I can easily see the possibility of anti-setiment coming back. Japan will probably avoid this but only because they allowed themselves to be defanged and don't really have a good relationship with the rest of East Asia (excluding economic trade and partnership).

>>9665498
>whites
Yeah, you don't know how to do this. The guy you are replying to is clearly talking about present day Asian-admiring right of center people, not Franklin Delano Roisevelt or nineteenth century Californian tradesmen.

>>9665403
Amen

>>9659126
>the SPLC is a hate group
What?

>>9665403
That's not true now, but eventually it might be at this rate. I suspect people like you turn regular whites into white supremacists often enough.

>>9664097
>you fucking mongoloid
Ironic considering you're the one showing zero depth of thought.
Fill in the blank: America for the __________?
I don't suppose you'll arbitrarily choose to take the racial "snapshot" at a time that personally suits yourself.

>>9663447
>>9659013
So, here's the deal:
America was officially desegregated by liberals in 1968. Think that was a long time ago? Trump & Sessions were teenagers. Scalia was 27. Everyone in their late 50's and older grew up in anti-nigger America.
Moreover, remember the average age of the senate is 60 and average age of the house is 57. In fact there are ~100 million Americans over age 50. Over 60% of them are white. If just half of that wishes we could go back to "the good old days", you have a massive voting bloc. Trump wielded the rhetoric of George Wallace (which he grew up hearing) to leverage that bloc.
Segregation was the law of the land. This was possible because it reflected the majority's consensus. There was a big surge in the number of Confederate monuments 1955-1970 during the civil rights movement. Not a coincidence.

>>9665505

You say this but there was also asian-admiring whites back in those times too. Europe adoption of Chinese civil exams, Nazi Germany admiration of Japanese nationalism and general fetishim of Asian women by Frenchmen. Admiration of culture does not preclude societal anti-setiment. Especially when political theology are involved like socialism and communism to draw lines in the sand.

Couldn’t you have just made a thread calling all white people evil and that the only reason someone would vote for Trump is because they’re evil and leave it at that? Why go through all this trouble when that’s really the point you wanted to make in the end?

>>9665522
Just kill yourself. Please.

>>9665562
Like I said, you are probably really good with numbers but lack verbal acuity. You are not making the case you think you are making. There simply is no Klan rally going on and any Klan rallies that went on in the past mean nothing for our purposes. If anyone is likely to have their immigration practices reviewed or curtailed it is overwhelmingly unlikely to be East Asians.
>oh but the Democrat Roosevelt interred Japanese a million years ago and after they sneak-attacked us
Yes. What point do you think you're making by bringing that up?
Or let me put it this way. Do you think the WWII Japanese internment was the result of a critical eight per cent of foaming at the mouth bigots?

>>9659013
>when your term as president started with almost universal approval and ended with a coincidental surge in people who had come to hate your entire fucking race but you still make it into the list of top 10 U.S. presidents
Come the fuck on.

>>9662018

>>9665600
I

>>9665552
>Liberals officially desegrated America
Wow, just wow. The America I live in has de facto Apartheid. It has this now in the current year. The most segregated places are reliably the weathiest -- and most politically leftist. Actual liberals at the time were divided by desegregation because it was a much more complex thing than good and bad cowboys squaring off in color-segregated headgear. If you go down the line of progressive pipedreams like forced bussing you will see that they were shown to be objectively wrong every time.
>Scalia, who was murdered by agents of an America political party years ago, was X age during "segregation times" and grew to be X+N-a at an arbitrary different year, but this doesn't stop him from being dead regardless of your ideology
Gibberish. Pretty sure Scalia wasn't from Dixie. You already presupposed that people were perfectly capable of existing during "segregation times" but opposing the policy ("Liberals"). On an official basis, that is. The truth is nobody wants to live in a ghetto.

>>9665522
Everybody knows that the ADL and the SPLC are jewish supremacist groups. Are you larping?

Good luck. You won't find anything but useless polls and when you consider that people throw around neo-nazi or white supremacist as an insult for anyone who doesn't lean a certain way it becomes all the more impossible.

>>9665552
>he says as he quotes george wallace the democrat
lul
dat big tent tho

>>9665624
Some people legitimately don't know this but, it's better to just say they aren't a trustworthy source of anything.

>>9659013
To object to OP's starting point, I do not think that you can have a "scientific statistic[al]" question like this. It's political and subjective. It's clear there is an issue in how one is designated as a Nazi and that many so designated would object to being labelled as such. Stats let us sort through numbers but there can be no statistics if we're still not sure what the numbers mean, or what they are.

>>9665590

>Do you think the WWII Japanese internment was the result of a critical eight per cent of foaming at the mouth bigots?

No it was most likely done by those in executive/legislative roles that had similar but not exact views as the 8%. But it is important to take into consideration that during WW2 only around 11,000 Germans were internment camps while over a 100,000 Japanese were internment camps.

>>9665677
Germans didn't declare the war by bombing america's fucking holiday resort tho

>>9665677
>11,000 Germans were internment camps

probably just the obvious Germans, the ones that spoke German and little English

>>9659014
>They made up 0.06% of Trumps voters
That's assuming that 0.06% aren't convicted felons, so probably less

Retard tier post

>>9665677
Yeah because there were massively more Americanized Germans, we were much more familiar with them, and they didn't surprise attack us.

>>9665620
>Teh LIBRULS are the true segregationists!1!1!!
Well, a liberal president signed the civil rights act, but sure, whatever you say. Let's say it was really the hardcore conservatives fighting ferociously for racial equality. It still doesn't refute my point: an entire generation raised on segregation is still out there voting, so you shouldn't be surprised if racist rhetoric can bring them to the polls en masse.

>You already presupposed that people were capable of opposing the policy
Trivially true, since they obviously got their way in the end. But Scalia was not among them.
>There are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school where they do well.

>>9665633
>but he wuz a democrat
Seems like a favorite tactic of you denialist faggots is to try to shift the argument to semantics and labels where you can rely on pure autism. But whether or not he truly believed in what he said doesn't change the fact that he made himself a symbol. MLK even called him out personally as an enemy in speeches. So Wallace was actually a bleeding heart marxist or something. Great "point." Pic related still went to the polls last year and voted, and I wonder who they voted for?

>>9665624
>>>/pol/

And stay there this time...

>>9665840
>uh oh he said something I don't like
>better invoke the boogeyman
just pretend I posted a brainlet wojack

>>9659307
Why would you assume most white supremacists use /pol/ when only 4% of the US population uses 4chan at all, based on the numbers in the post you quoted?

>>9665828
>shift it to semantics
You don't know what this word means, your only argument has been this idea that being alive while segregation was going on makes you a segregationist, and then not dying early makes segregation still politically tenable. This is all incoherent nonsense and none of it is science or math. Statistics have not been responsibly used here. Pass more laws. Pass whatever laws you want. You will only discover that nobody wants to reside near loud criminals and that passing whatever law you want guarantees disrespect for the law. When you require the last clutch of whites to share Section Eight housing with the guys ooking about the humming monolith, we will declare ourselves to not be white, but ponies.

Why is it always about race?

Why isn't it about culture?

I don't dislike people on the basis of their skin colour, I dislike them on the basis of their behavior. Their social and moral values. Their social habits. Their ethics or lack of. They way they think and act. Their belief systems.

I dislike people who are aggressive, who think little of the future, who do not value education, who lack a work ethic and who take little responsibility for their actions.

If I were to create a nation where I actively excluded such people from becoming citizens and that meant I excluded far more from one race than another, would that make me a racist?

>>9666141
Because it is about neither - it is about power. Certain (((individuals))) recognize that currently, certain behaviors and cultures are associated with and encouraged to be espoused by certain colors and races of people.

If one group is to obtain, retain, and enforce power over the other groups, it would be in their interest to encourage the more populous groups to newly adopt or continue to espouse those cultures and behaviors least conducive to their own freedom, and most conducive to the conspirator's aims of control or domination. Hence why interracial activity is highly encouraged, especially between aristocratic or perceived high-society whites and the more ghetto of blacks, whereby a highly competitive power seeking group (the whites) can eb mingled with the more easily directed and often destructively uncultured (blacks), so that their children, a mixture without direct identity, can be more easily molded to new cultures propagated and encouraged by those controlling the media, etc.

Essentially it's about race because there are highly motivated rich people who believe their in-group will dominate the entire world and deserve to by genetic right. When in reality if put in nature a blonde blue eyed man and a sub-Saharan African man would very likely be the exact same and get along perfectly with no outside influence. It was the disparity in early technological development that allowed ruling 'castes' to develop perception based systems of control which they perpetuate

>>9659013
>anti muslim is hate
>anti lgbt is hate
>being christian is hate
Is there even anything you can do in the US without being considered hateful

>>9665552
>Cherry picking America to try and catch me out

America is a massive clusterfuck of races and cultures and it clearly shows in how shit the country is becoming as diversity increases.

>>9659013
You could estimate using statistical models, but any fool know that statistics are mathematics not science

>>9666051
>Loud criminals! Section Eight!
This thread is not about whether or not the segregationists / white supremacist bloc is right or wrong. It is about whether or not they are out there and in sufficient numbers to sway the presidential vote. Whether their beliefs are correct is actually immaterial here.

>your only argument has been this idea that being alive while segregation was going on makes you a segregationist
Strawmanning now? How predictable.
Surely you're not suggesting that there were no segregationists in the 1960's? Is that really the hill you want to die on?
Civil Rights act passed the house with a vote of 290-130 (~31% of representatives against), and the senate 73-27 (~27% against).

>This is all incoherent nonsense
Please, explain why it is incoherent. Seems to me you can't understand a simple argument because you are weak at reasoning. I'm actually thinking you might be a nigger at this point.

>>9666300
>Cherry picking America
Considering the thread is about America, I figured it'd be the first country on your mind. But you get points for being smart enough to dodge the question to avoid being "caught out" with all your hand-wavy bullshit.
You said "Japan for the Japanese." Here's a question: which ethnicity do you consider the true Japanese? The current Japanese, after all, are a mixture...

>>9659178
>14% of posts equates to 14% of the users
>all of pol is white supremeisits
>implying neets on pol voted
Pol is satire bro

>>9659307
>a liberal arts major learns to multiply

>>9666051
argument is quite coherent
white supremacy isn't some rare fringe position, it's a popular American position, and history shows it
look how you are being an apologist for them, means you're case in point. it is that hard to believe you're alone in your opinions?

>>9667709
*you're not alone

>>9665407

why don't you reply with something that's not a snarky quip?

>>9667709

"The Frankfurt School Of Social Research And The Pathologization Of Gentile Group Allegiances"

>>9659044
>Would you also assume that this is only a tiny proportion of the total Satanists in the country?
complete lack of common sense
white supremacy has been a major force in american culture from the very beginning
comparing it to satanism is disingenuous at best

>>9667740

there's no such thing as white supremacist groups or hate groups. only controlled opposition.

>"The Frankfurt School Of Social Research And The Pathologization Of Gentile Group Allegiances"

>>9667179
>it's about whether they are out there
The point you misread says cartoon Klansmen are not, however, the effects you attribute to them (people not wanting to live in a ghetto) *are*. Now look up aether and phlogiston.

>>9667179
>the hill you want to die on
How did this cliche become mandatory for leftists?

>>9667744
>posts a book from the 20th century in respond to a quote from the 19th century
the jews are time traveling now?

>>9667762

i wish. then i could kvetch directly at the people who got us into this mess, instead of just people who insist on perpetuating it.

>>9659154
yuri bezmenov

>>9667179
More gibberish. This is the /sci/ board, science and math. I get that the mods of this site have it in for right-wing people, while letting leftists run riot, but this is not a political argument here. The main thing you do is namecalling. In fact, it's the only thing, since your original question was about evull Nazis. There are enormous issues with your data which you refuse to address or correct and which you seem to be unaware of after repeatedly having them pointed out. This is a troll bait thread contrary to the spirit of this board and it should never have been permitted. This OP knows nothing about statistics and isn't interested in learning. Namecalling doesn't work in a situation where you were proven wrong multiple times and nobody cares what you think about a person. If there were a right-wing person gibbering about secret invisible Communists -- and yes, there are a lot of open Communists on campuses but to keep the comparison neat let's say this particular guy's sole evidence is a map provided by Mr Glenn Beck -- I would hope his gibberish would be rejected.
If there was a case to be made that the US is influenced by a cabal of crossburners, OP here does not know how to make it, any more than he knows how to relate it to science or statistics.

>>9663485
Mhm
And how much of that 25% is comprised of individuals with as little as 1/8 jewish ancestry (like the Nobel statistic that is commonly thrown around).

>>9665086

in-group preference IS okay. it's perfectly normal and will always exist. i don't blame the chinese for their in-group preference. the problem is that whites have been socially conditioned to think in-group preference is necessarily hateful and taboo.

>>9667757
>The point you misread says cartoon Klansmen are not, however, the effects you attribute to them (people not wanting to live in a ghetto) *are*.
Please try again, and use complete sentences this time.
It does seems like you're getting caught up in trying to justify segregationist policies and fighting "the left"

>>9667760
>Implying I'm a leftist
>Implying I'm not a segregationist

>>9667779
>Your original question
My first post ITT was >>9665552. Please learn how to use an anonymous board. I can give you some tips if you're interested.
>Your data
No one has pointed out anything wrong with my data. In fact, I'm sure no one has even looked at what few points I've provided. You're comparing historical records of official government actions, supreme court opinions, and census data to "a map provided by Mr Glenn Beck"?
>If there was a case to be made that the US is influenced by a cabal of crossburners
I think I did that pretty convincingly. Maybe stop shouting "Gibberish" and actually read the posts. You might learn something.

>>9667779
Look at this triggered snowflake lol

>>9667795
>the problem is that whites have been socially conditioned to think in-group preference is necessarily hateful and taboo.

or rather, this puts us at a sharp disadvantage to other groups. look at western universities, western politics, western business. we're being eaten alive and only because people are afraid to look racist or "backwards"

>>9667797
>no one has pointed out anything wrong with my data
Oh, I get it. You're not reading the replies. Protip: others can. The ADL and SPLC are not serious sources, that's probably why the FBI dropped them. There is no secret army of SS-zombies, and if a hysterical activist says that there are based on nothing, then you should ignore him, not take his fake map to a board intended for serious discussions.

>>9667795
>in-group preference IS okay. it's perfectly normal and will always exist.
Agreed
>the problem is that whites have been socially conditioned to think in-group preference is necessarily hateful and taboo.
Don't agree. If you're white, Chinese, or anything, you should be aware of in-group bias and be encouraged to not let it influence you. Not that anyone should be forced to do anything tho.

>>9667805

it's actually something that has frustrated me for a long time, long before i ever came to 4chan.

>>9667810
>you should be aware of in-group bias and be encouraged to not let it influence you

we'll have to agree to disagree. our lack of in-group preference has cost us dearly, and it's foolish to expect other groups to reciprocate to the same degree.

>>9667809
>The ADL and SPLC are not serious sources
I haven't cited the ADL or SPLC at all.
Again, please read the post you are responding to, in its entirety, before you fire back a reply.

>>9667812
I mean, the only alternative is stuff like affirmative action, because history has put white people (white men specifically) in positions of power and influence. If the people in charge were a diverse group, we wouldn't need it.

>>9667827
And by diverse, I mean at rates proportional to the population.

>>9667827
>I mean, the only alternative is stuff like affirmative action, because history has put white people (white men specifically) in positions of power and influence.

so what? even if that was the case historically, we're getting broadsided and pushed around in our own nations at present. this is no accident either, you can read all about it in the culture of critique. how can you not see this?

>>9667827
>history has put white people in positions of power
>I'm not a leftist activist, I just talk exactly like one
>nobody said anything about the SPLC, it's merely the topic of the thread and the only "source" cited for this idea that we are being Hiterified

>>9667827
>affirmative action
>alternative
Alternative? Affitmative action puts *equally qualified people* into positions of power? And is necessary because of all the racism? Are you sure about that? Are you aware that black affirmative action beneficiary "doctors" lose their licenses because they cannot keep up with continuing education?

>>9667835
I don't really know what your talking about, but if you're talking about how hard white people have it, you're most definitely overreacting. Statistics can show that you're still better off being white in most situations. I wouldn't push for any more hand-holding than we already have, don't get me wrong. And I don't even like the current state of AA, though it's better than not having it at all.

>>9667848
Wrong person.

>>9667859
>I don't really know what your talking about, but if you're talking about how hard white people have it, you're most definitely overreacting. Statistics can show that you're still better off being white in most situations. I wouldn't push for any more hand-holding than we already have, don't get me wrong. And I don't even like the current state of AA, though it's better than not having it at all.

i never once mentioned affirmative action. that's not really what i'm concerned about.

this is what i'm concerned about:
>>9667805

>>9667853
Affirmative action should never put anyone unqualified into a position. It's not meant to do that though. If it does, then we need to reform affirmative action, not remove it.

>>9667863
>>9667805
>we're being eaten alive
Oh please

>>9667866
>Oh please

if you have some time, read the culture of critique.

>>9667876
>duh joos

No thanks

this is why we're fucked. you people actually don't care. what an insane nightmare.

>>9667859
>there are real problems out here with these brilliant utopian policies thay were supposed to make diversity function!
>I don't really know what you're talking about.
And that ladies and gentlemen is the whole thing right there.

>>9667889
Unfortunately you didn't specify who you were talking about. So I guess that makes us twice as f***ed.
Again, this is /sci/, not /pol/.

>>9667866
>Affirmative action should never put anyone unqualified into a position.
I completely agree. Unfortunately it clearly does.

>>9667905

you sound like you might be a woman or nonwhite. it's hard to believe a younger white male could be unsarcastically/unironically parroting this PC nonsense on 4chan.

>>9667901
Huh? I don't know what he was talking about because all he said was "the Jews are fucking us over mannn". He's gonna have to be a bit more specific to argue actual topics.

>>9667901

it's not a question of policy so much as one of social engineering and manipulation. minority quotas and unchecked immigration are just symptoms.

>>9667917

at least not without some jew looking over their shoulder, anyway

>>9667889
No we don't. I work hard and don't have time to pander to virtue signalling horse shit. Do you honestly believe people care about statistics especially when the stats are based off a bullshit hypothesis of defining "hate groups"? This is why statistics are bullshit

>Is there any way to know scientifically how many neo Nazis or white supremacists there are in the US?
No because at the rate they keep redefining "white supremacy", the stats will change constantly. It's like asking "what is the formula for love/hate? There is not formula, it lies out of bounds of empirical knowledge, or things you can bean count.
So to answer your question, yes. You can know by inventing as many "hate groups" as you desire.

>The narrative says that Trump won because of a groundswell of white supremacists, meaning they're numerous enough to be a politically influential faction. So are they?

"The narrative", yes that sounds so scientific doesn't it? Following arbitrary false hypothesis set in motion by group think cancer. There is no answer to your questions here. Try /x/.


>Please note that this is a statistical scientific question,

there is no scientific aspect of your question whatsoever.

>>9659178
No one one /pol/ is even old enough to vote...

>>9667959

you misunderstood me. i was speaking about the boot-licking PC scum.

>>9667971
Apologies, but still never full trust stats especially political one. Any stat not having to do with real countable things (not feelings illogically defined into things) have absolutely no basis in reality and should be discarded. If everyone knew this, the world would be a much better place and these deluded cunts would disappear along with the materialism they promote.
>>9667959
also forgot to give OP his (you). You don't get another one.
>>9659013

>>9667993
>Apologies, but still never full trust stats especially political one. Any stat not having to do with real countable things (not feelings illogically defined into things) have absolutely no basis in reality and should be discarded. If everyone knew this, the world would be a much better place and these deluded cunts would disappear along with the materialism they promote.

solid advice. unfortunately, you're still not hitting the nail on the head. people never talk about the social engineering. it's the only reason people swallow this BS in the first place.

i think a lot of blame is misplaced on leftism and socialism. more D&C tactics.

>>9659020
They didn't need white supremacists to vote for trump, they just needed anyone to vote for him. Next, they need anyone who would vote Hillary to reconsider. Getting a would-be Hillary voter to abstain is just as good as convincing a would-be abstainer to vote trump. It is far more complicated than just white supremacists voters and ideals.

>>9667924
It doesn't matter what it's really about so long as our academy and rulers play ostritch.

>>9668016
>a lot of blame is misplaced on leftism
So there weren't professional rioters taking foreign money to mess up American cities late in the last administration? There's no rampant intolerant PC on campus? BLM isn't leftist? There's some "good leftists" out there, and if we can find them and link up, we can defeat the evil with love?
Tell me about leftists who want to preserve the Constitution, stop unrestricted immigration, force brats at school to either shut up about politics or not riot when they hear an opinion they disagree with, and reverse the white death.
Tell me about them, please.

>>9659013
>The narrative says that Trump won because of a groundswell of white supremacists, meaning they're numerous enough to be a politically influential faction
The narrative is flat out wrong, then. The proportion of white people that voted Trump was basically the same that voted Bush, McCain, and Romney, and ironically there was the proportion of black and hispanics that voted red was actually somewhat higher than of previous elections, which make sense when you consider that one of Trump's big promises was helping the manufacturing sector, especially poorly paying jobs which said demographics are rely more on.

>>9668283
It was both:

>Trump's crucial victories in theMidwestwere aided in large part by his strong margins amongnon-college whites– whileObamalost those voters by a margin of 10 points in2012, Clinton lost this group by 20 percent. The election also represented the first time thatRepublicansperformed better among lower-income whites than among affluent white voters.[485]To some analysts' surprise, Trump narrowed Clinton's margin compared to Obama by 7 points amongblacksandAfrican-Americans, 8 points amongLatinos, and 11 points amongAsian-Americans.

From wikipedia

>>9668071
>Wahhh these insignificant people annoy me wahhhh. Annoying leftists! Everything bad is all their fault! (despite having a republican-controlled congress for decades). They're gonna destroy everything if they keep this up... Not if I destroy it first!

Listen man, I don't like those people either but let's stay realistic about who is in charge.

>>9668071
>BLM isn't leftist?

blm is an interesting subject. i believe they too are controlled opposition, whether most of them know it or not. my theory is that they exist to nudge police farther right.

it's all political busywork.

>>9668351
Nothing to do with inequality in the criminal justice system? I mean, if I participated in BLM, that's the reason I'd do it for.

>>9668342
Listen, man, the claim was that leftists are not leftists but something else. Do you have any sources or data or examples to bear that out? Oh, you have wierdly emotive language, and a vague reference to who's really in charge. Somehow I'm guessing that we're not allowed to specifically name who's really in charge, man, let alone scientifically demonstrate that.
>protip to the guy doing this for the frst time:
if he's really in charge, whoever he is, that makes the professional rioters his employees. That makes them the same side.
Nothing you type makes any sense but the glowing comes through like you used to work in energy generation.

>>9668327
I was running with the raw ethnic(~40% for white voters voting blue) voting demographies, which have been fairly cosistent. Either way, the idea that neo-nazis voted the annoying orange into power is flat out wrong.

>>9668071
>There's no rampant intolerant PC on campus?

there is a strong (((diversity))) effort and foreigners have free run of the place but most students still seem relatively sane, considering.

>>9668358
I clearly said Republicans are in charge and that the leftists you hate so much are a loud fringe group who grow out of it after college.

>>9668342
Look up how that Republican congress felt about borders.
And no one who riots in your city is "insignificant."
What color is your hair? Do people assume your gender a lot?

>>9668357
>I mean, if I participated in BLM, that's the reason I'd do it for.

well sure, most BLM participants probably have similar motivations. but how do they look from the outside, especially to LEOs?

>>9668368
Yes, the riots were insignificant. Unless you watch Fox News, then the world is burning.

>>9668377
Not when they're happening to you. Not when Democrat police chiefs and mayors are cheering on the rioters.

>>9668366
So Peter Strzok and Lois Lerner and George Soros are college kids. Okay.

>>9668376
>but how do they look from the outside, especially to LEOs?
Depends on the coverage you watch I guess. I was pretty sure everyone knew it was about inequality in criminal justice rather than "durr fuck da police and fuck whitey"

>>9668381
>Not when Democrat police chiefs and mayors are cheering on the rioters.
Lol, someone clearly watched Fox News.

>>9668016
What are leftists and socialists wrongly blamed for?

>>9668390
> I was pretty sure everyone knew it was about inequality in criminal justice rather than "durr fuck da police and fuck whitey"

you were pretty wrong.

>>9668394
*sigh* Why do I ever put any faith in humanity? lol

>>9659013
>The narrative says that Trump won because of a groundswell of white supremacists
No, Trump won because the right is easily manipulated by Russia. Even conservatives agrees that Russia won the election for Trump.

>>9668398
>*sigh*

>>9668390
Why is it that when I remove namecalling from your posts I'm left with nothing?
An awful lot of news sources beside Fox, which I have never habitually watched and do not watch now, reported on police collusion with rioters in San Jose and Charlottesville as well as elsewhere. In Berkeley the mayor was tweeting -- are his tweets a Fox News show? In those chases where the police were not colluding with the rioters, the riots either did not happen or did not get far, and we discover the fascinating tidbit that the supposedly local protesters actually came from out of state.

>>9659013
Well let me run a scenario by you.
I love racist jokes. Heck, on 4chan I back white supremacists because it's funny to watch minorities squirm.
But legitimately I'm half Mexican and have a black business party.
What does that make me?

Considering I voted Trump (which by the way, means nothing considering the POTUS isn't decided by civilians) that makes me a white supremacist according to liberals.
But really considering my actual life, what does that make me?

>>9668394
This guy is screamingly obviously a leftist but trying to pretend he isn't. He keeps saying proprietary Marxist phrases and "death to pigs" extremist language that nobody else would say.

>>9668399
>even conservatives
>Putin has magic powers
>there were no important issues undiscussed in respectable media, like waves of migrants lying about refugee status, or resurgent urban crime
>no, it was Putin and his magic powers
>even open borders neocons say so

>>9668016
Do you have any specific examples of things of which leftists are falsely accused?

>>9668398

i'm just making guesses. maybe i'm a lunatic who's only one or two 4chan posts away from the nuthouse.

>>9668413

they sound like a typical college lefty

>>9668394
Yeah, when that one guy screamed BURN THIS BITCH DOWN was he really meant to say was you have to look at the overall socio-economics of the weltanschauung.

>>9668423
Yeah, they don't realize that they have adopted certain phrases and expectations that are the textual equivalent of putting Manic Panic color in their hair. They think anyone else is Having A Conversation about Interrogating Whiteness.

>>9668406
Let me address your original claim
>Not when Democrat police chiefs and mayors are cheering on the rioters.
Now. Were they showing support for BLM, or actively cheering on an active riot? Is there a difference to you?

>>9668430
>They think anyone else is Having A Conversation about Interrogating Whiteness.

what?

>>9668419
>Putin magic powers
>Manipulating an easily manipulating right wing demographic is magic.
Stay useful, idiot.

>>9668432
That's not "addressing my claim," that's a first year logic trap. It contains a huge error in its lack of specificity. Some of those riots had nothing to do with BLM -- the one in San Jose was a turba against Trump, and yes, the mestizo chief was present, and grinned broadly to reporters about how freedom of speech supposedly tied his hands. That said BLM is a dishonest organization intended to facilitate rioting by falsely accusing good police officers of being blood-thirsty monsters.

>>9668447
Who was manipulated and how? Who was in favor of his neighborhood becoming a barrio for MS-13 until Putin shot him with the mind ray? Do you mean manipulation like you're trying to do now?

>>9668016
What are leftists wrongly blamed for? And who but a leftist would say this?

>>9668399

Lmao

>even the establishment RINOs agree!!

>>9659013
>Is there any way to know scientifically how many neo Nazis or white supremacists there are in the US?
Step one: define what that is and how you would recognize it.

>>9668456
The base didn't need to be "manipulated", they were waiting for a hero to come say what they were all thinking.
What these anons said
>>9667740
>>9667179
>>9665828
>>9665552
>>9667762
White supremacism is not some rare outside fringe position in the USA and anyone who thinks otherwise is just head-in-sand delusional.
What did you think, some lawmakers were going to change peoples convictions, even if they changed the law to make it illegal to disenfranchise colored people? They still don't want to be around shitskins, law or not.
So it was EASY to bring out the old men and women who were ready to get back to the GOOD OLD DAYS.
Case in point http://wtvr.com/2016/03/10/trump-rally-attendee-charged-for-punching-black-lives-matter-protester/
>He's lucky I didn't kill him
This old man was just waiting for the day when he couild finally punch a nigger in the face again. At 12 he celebrated when Emmitt Till's murderers walked free. At 14 he spit in a blackie's face. At 16 he threw rocks at peaceful marchers. Then for 62 long years he had to wait until finally his orange savior came to bring order to the universe again.

>>9668716
America is founded on white supremacist philosophies by men who believed to their core that they are part of a privileged, superior people. It's not even up for debate. Not sure why people think it's so outlandish to think white supremacists don't exist in large numbers anymore.

>>9668732
>>9668716


"...The Pathologization Of Gentile Group Allegiances"

when you're done trumping up the boogeyman of white supremacy, please fuck off.

>>9668716
Hey, whatever happened to Emmett Till's dad?

>>9668716
If we're all Nazis then how can anyone believe in democracy?

>>9668757
>boogeyman
Yeah, white supremacy? Pure fiction, right?
>"...The Pathologization Of Gentile Group Allegiances"
So each and every one of the founding fathers in >>9668732 pic are Jewish puppets?

>>9668787
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/12/501622050/emmett-tills-father-was-also-hanged-a-new-book-tells-his-story
Why do you ask?
The best part of the till story:
https://nypost.com/2017/01/27/emmett-tills-accuser-admits-it-was-all-a-lie/
Interesting what a tiny lunatic fringe can get away with in America.

>>9668821
>conflating "white supremacy" with "naziism"
>conflating "some" with "all"
Going to assume you're just pretending to be retarded. Let me know if I'm wrong though.

>>9668732
So ... you're against the Constitution, but want to give political advice. Let us know how that turns out.

>>9668016
When you say blame is misplaced on leftism, what do you mean by that?

>>9668716
based 60's

>>9668850
>Yeah, white supremacy? Pure fiction, right?

it's about as fictional as "asian supremacy" or "jewish supremacy"


and i certainly don't consider myself a white supremacist. if i truly believed whites were superior, i wouldn't be so concerned.

>>9659328
White Supremacy is a colonial ideology created to stop whites from feeling sorry for the conquered shitskins and then giving up their hard earned land to said shitskins like what happened decades ago. There is no white supremacy back in Europe because everyone is white already and there wasnt one back in precolonial Europe either as Europeans cared more about their ethnicities than some unified skin coloration.

>>9669204
Or, an inescapable conclusion that emerges when you meet an African. Are the Chinese in Empire of Dust lying about what they see?

>>9659013
>Is there any way to know scientifically how many neo Nazis or white supremacists there are in the US?
Maybe. Science presupposes precise measurement, measurement requires clear and robust definitions. So step one would be defining a "white supremacist." In such a way so that you do not end up with three hundred and twenty million "white supremacists" of all colors.

>>9668016
What is an example of something that leftists are wrongly blamed for? Are we talking about scope? Are we talking about the SDS being blamed for the Weathermen?

>>9669202
>it's about as fictional as "asian supremacy" or "jewish supremacy"
This is what millenials actually believe

>>9669334
>Are the Chinese in Empire of Dust lying about what they see?
Yes. The Chinese dude has a warped view of history. He thinks the Europeans gifted the infrastructure, the operational training, the industries that demand the infrastructure to be used, and the wealth for upkeeping the infrastructure to the native population. What a moron.

>>9668456
>Who was manipulated and how?
You and easily apparently.

>>9669491

out of the three, white americans have by far and away the weakest in-group preference, and it has cost us control over many western institutions. you're a fool.

>>9669334
Everyone thinks niggers are not people thats not white supremacy.

>>9669714
>you're a fool
you unironically think white supremacist attitudes instantly evaporated into thin air after 1970?

>>9670502

let's be clear on what we're talking about. do you mean in-group preference?

as other anons have pointed out, you need to define "white supremacy". give me as specific a definition as you can for modern "white supremacy", and we'll go from there.

>>9668732
Based Jefferson
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part3/3h490t.html
I really like the part where he talks about how ugly black women are. No idea what possessed him to fuck one

>>9670506
Not that guy, but see here
>>9659869

>>9670511

everyone needs a homeland. westerners should be the dominant force in western society. does that belief make me a "white supremacist"?

>>9670522

of course, don't really expect an intellectually honest answer to this. most of the people promoting (((diversity))) have gone their entire lives thinking they have the moral high ground, and there's really no reason to think they'll get off their high horse now.

>>9670522
So... We should deport American whites back to Europe?

>>9670506
>as other anons have pointed out
I wouldn't know, just got here.
I would say the core belief is the presumption that a person can be considered innately superior, purely by virtue of being some specific race. So, what's wrong with preferring the "home team?" Nothing really, if that was the end of it.

The problem is how far people go to maintain the presumption of superiority, and what they do with that presumption once they trust it.
Typically what they do to maintain it is manufacture and spread disinformation about the other guys, often to children who simply don't know any better.
And typically what they do with it is justify the disenfranchisement (or worse) of people they don't even know.

Once you decide that your race deserves to rule by virtue of being naturally superior, it can actually become a moral imperative to take your rightful place at the top at the expense of others. The millions of deaths in Asia during WW2 were the end result of doctrines inspired by deep belief in Japanese racial supremacy. And yet we have absolute retards dismissing asian supremacism as "fictional."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakk%C5%8D_ichiu
http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/9252853

Here are some other examples:
A large sect of American Christians called Mormons taught that blacks are the cursed descendents of Cain (who murdered his own brother Abel out of jealousy), and can't be trusted. Their leaders only recanted this belief in 1978.
Nation of Islam harbors a religious belief that black men are the chosen of god and decry the influence of "white devils". So that would be black supremacy.
And, of course, the refusal to let negroes go to schools, live where they want, etc. could only be justified if the negro was considered subhuman.

>>9670586
America for the Amerindians?

>>9670586

we should realize that nobody else plays by these rules. we are not obligated to forgo our in-group preferences or relinquish sovereignty over western society because of white guilt or any bygone historical injustices.

i'm not advocating xenophobia or racism, but at some point you have to see the writing on the wall. black culture is cancerous and needs to be changed or at least not glorified so much in the media, foreign expats and immigrants have free run of formerly western institutions. immigration is fine, but immigration must be limited so that they are required to assimilate to our culture and not the other way around and visa holders should not displace so much potential american talent. it's our country, grow a spine and pull your head out of your ass.

>>9670659

and i had thought this was all common sense. that i even have to explain this and defend myself from accusations of being a "white supremacist" is disturbing. cool the witch hunt and think for a minute.

we will not achieve a balance with your wishy-washy attitude, we'll be overrun. put to rout.

what kind of masochists have white americans become that the opinions i have are unreasonable by our current social standards?

>>9670715
>samefagging this hard
>why aren't the social standards of shitskins and pajeets acceptable in white america?!
you're controlled oppo

>>9670730

i wish /sci/ had IDs, these are me

>>9670715
>>9670703
>>9670690
>>9670659
>>9670623

i'm not controlled oppo. i'm someone who wants a reasonable explanation for why white americans get off on masochistic SJW busywork

>>9670730

the best rebuttals you have are memes. how am i supposed to respect you when you can't even answer me properly?

>>9670759
cont.

and how am i supposed to feel respected when my concerns are ignored, downplayed, or otherwise made light of everywhere i turn?

and this is the problem with so many faux-intellectual lefties. they're not about mutual respect, they're about making themselves look good and sneering at the opposition.

>>9670736
>>9670759
>>9670778
>seeks intellectually honest discussion and proper answers
>demands people define their terms
>gets a complete response (>>9670610), supported by examples and citations
>pretends not to see it
respond to that guy then, faggot.
no one needs your "respect" kid, you are nobody. share a coherent idea and you will be able to "feel respected".

you think in one-liners and sound bites. look how you spam post after post with 1 sentence in each. that attention span.

the one-line reasonable explanation is that supremacist thought is one of the big causes of worldwide misery and war.

you will of course demand i back that statement up. but it would take more than one sentence to do that so you will ignore it. thus you are doomed to be forever retarded, never learning. i feel bad for you monkey.

>>9670797
You are about to write something to the effect of "I won't respond because you disrespected me."
And that is why you won't be taken seriously, even on an anonymous imageboard. Later.

>>9670797
>the one-line reasonable explanation is that supremacist thought is one of the big causes of worldwide misery and war.

no, dangerous psychopaths with lots of money, high IQ and god-complexes are the cause of war. people like that will always rise to the top, because they're the only people who are morally bankrupt and ambitious enough to build such bloated enterprises.

they only believe in their own individual supremacy and couldn't give a damn about their race beyond those in their own immediate circles.

>>9670817

and it's in their best interests to discourage "Gentile Group Allegiances" or have useful idiots do it for them.

>>9670822

because at the end of the day, they understand that might makes right. civic and ethnic cohesion is a threat, so they divide whites into factions by holding them to a double standard via social manipulation. strong civic cohesion is difficult across a language barrier, so they don't mind having a "diverse" community or care about assimilation.

if i can't even convince you of this, i don't really know what to say. it seems hopeless.

there are some people here who understand this. unfortunately, those are likely the same people charged with dividing and conquering in the first place.

are you being entirely honest with yourself when you say there's no substance to what i'm saying? that my posts are all just one-liners, and therefore i must be slow and incapable of organizing my own thoughts?

>>9670881
cont.

you must be some educator, because that's about the level of respect i have come to expect from many (but not all) of them.

>>9659015
What questions did they ask to arrive at the 9% number? For example, statistically the crime rate in the black community is higher per-capita than the white community. If they ask a question about weather you believe that fact, then use affirmative answers as evidence of a belief in white supremacy, they have skewed their own results to increase the perceived incidence of white supremacy.

>>9670932

>>9670945

people don't take survey questions like that seriously.

>>9671043

especially not white males who are fed up with your antics

for all the undeserved bullshit we get about racism and all the SJW kvetching we put up with, you don't think at least a few people are going to give a smartass answer to a survey question asking them if they're a neo-nazi?

>>9671059
They weren't asked that, see >>9670945. And that 9% of the population is retarded is a bad sign whether they were honest or not

>>9671089

you really don't think that most people who answered affirmative were being sarcastic because they felt a little insulted?

>>9671094
Good lord...

>>9671095

nobody would take such an accusatory question even halfway seriously.

let me guess, most of them also answered "strongly" instead of "somewhat".

>>9671107
Incorrect

>>9671111

well you got me there, but that's a pretty small sample size, and i still think people are inclined to give tongue-in-cheek answers to questions like that.

>>9671113
Those are percentages

>>9671115

what were the raw numbers like and what statistical corrections did they apply to get these percentages? this is a shitty survey.

>>9671100
>neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups existing is an reality in the US
>asking whether one thinks this is acceptable is an "accusatory question"
In what world do you live in?

>>9671131

this survey is bunk. they say virtually nothing about their methodology except the one meaningless blurb at the end that i screencap'd.

>>9671143
It says everything it needs to say about their methodology (and there is more than you screencapped, for example their margin of error). It's literally just weighting the samples by so that they represent the total population

>>9671172

they don't include the raw numbers or how they weighted them to get the results they did.

wapo is not subject to any kind of peer review, and most people would not consider them an unbiased source. any SJW skank can make up a bunch of percentages and put them up.

at least show me a survey from some source with a modicum of academic credibility. at least academic social scientists have some professional reputation to uphold. wapo are just propagandists.

>>9671214

and if you can't even show me any research from the (overwhelmingly liberal) realm of academia, then quit spouting bullshit.

propagandists and think-tanks with murky interests/funding need not apply.

>>9659014

Only a very small proportion of racists are KKK members.

I've personally met plenty of racists everywhere and not a single one of them would ever join the KKK, but they still voted for Trump.

People massively underestimate how many people are still very racist.

>>9671260
>People massively underestimate how many people are still very racist.

quit making this assertion as if white racism is anywhere near as big a problem as the forced dissolution of white american identity.

>>9670932
>What questions did they ask to arrive at the 9% number?
they probably asked, "what's the highest believable figure we can publish?"

half the time i can't even tell if you people are being serious with me. you wonder why i'm as frustrated as i am, all i get for my efforts are memes, the silent treatment, or just utter nonsense like wapo polls.

it's like talking to brick wall.

>>9671260
>People massively underestimate how many people are still very racist.
Have no fear. We are leaving these shores, to be replaced with the Castizo ruling caste of the Spanish speaking world (who gave us the literal "day of the rope") and the flamethrower-happy Chinese. I'm sure they give our urban black population the attention those kangz so richly deserve.

>>9671260
The term is niggist we are niggist we hate blacks but dont really focus on other races. A racist is someone who always shits on any race like a jew for example.

>>9671810

lol, this. good luck appealing to their sense of guilt, because they couldn't give a fuck.

>>9660051
>diversity visas
What the fuck this is a thing?

>implying all of /pol/ is white, and white supremacist

>>9671958
Don't get triggered by the word "diversity" now. It means diversity of nations. Preference is given to nations with low historical immigration. That means it currently limits immigration from China and Mexico and boosts immigration from places like Scandinavia, Australia, and yes, Africa.

>>9668411
>I'm half Mexican
What do you think of Trump's deportation politics?

>>9671958
Because some people thought that "diversity" was an end in itself and an inherent good. Compare prohibition, or a judge banning a hacker from ever touching a computer again, or the South American dictator who wanted street lights covered in colored cellophane for health reasons. Law talkers are stupid people.

>>9671971
I like how you cannot say anything without namecalling.
Oh but of course -- you're a different guy.

>>9670817
Again you are spamming one liners without proof.