/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9596254
If he lives forever, he was right. If he dies, he's wrong.
(If he dies in an accident, undecided.)

>>9596254
Neither

he's just a dude who wants people to stop living as though we can't change things
and also get immortality if he can

>>9596254
Noble mission, but he hasn't done shit.

>>9596416
>everyone who dies attempting to solve aging is a fraud

>>9596903
nothing noble about it, he's just scared of dying

>>9596946
A lot of people are also scared of dying.

>>9596946
Nothing wrong with being scared of dying. God made us this way.

>>9596946
>wanting old people to stop suffering by increasing human healthspan
>nothing noble about it

>>9596962
Doesn't make it noble.

>>9596969
God also wants us to accept and confront the fact of our mortality -- trying to run from it doesn't do any good.

>>9597145
God is a hypocrite then.

I'm convinced that any atheist who 'is fine with aging and death' has some form of Stockholm Syndrome. Here are some relevant links for those interested in not dying:
https://discord.gg/DDpUqJh
https://discord.gg/ftSbffu

What has SENS actually done other than make speeches and beg for donations?

>>9597145
Nah, only weak beta cucks want that.
God blesses who go to the limit of human capacities.

>>9596254
Well, he's certainly smarter than >>9596453

bump

>>9597267
Yeah I'm all for the anti-aging movement but I feel like SENS is going nowhere, probably because of the low budget. They received huge donations from some millionaires a few months ago though, hopefully it will help make things faster.

There's also Calico, but we don't know anything about what they're doing.

>>9599575
>There's also Calico, but we don't know anything about what they're doing.
>google
oh boy, can't wait to have my genome sold

>>9599575
I feel that if they were worth investing in, some billionaire would have given them the funding by now. I don't buy De Grey's spiel that most people romanticize death.

>>9601009
billionaires need to:
1) be young
2) give a shit
3) believe in their prognosis
4) be aware of them

4 is a pretty big hurdle, these sort of ventures are probably dismissed in under 60 seconds, especially since billionaires are probably very busy

>>9596254
op is a faggot

>>9596254
He's really not gonna like it when he dies.

>>9601160
wow that wasn't axiom thing to sae

>>9601160

>>9602551
kek

>>9596254

Mind Uploading is the only way to achieve true immortality. You need to be wealthy to buy it.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=01hbkh4hXEk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dyJjGxZs4l8

http://2045.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4747174/amp/Transhumanism-lead-immortality-elite.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3096393/The-rich-God-like-cyborgs-Historian-claims-wealthy-transform-new-type-human-200-years.html

>>9603755
>Mind Uploading is the only way to achieve true immortality.
no, that's fucking retarded
1) any technology which "uploads" your "mind" would be about as technologically advanced as just 3d printing a replica of your brain using some sort of insane microfluidics printer
2) you don't become immortal, you become copied
3) if a quasar jet or drunk guy with a lead pipe hits your server you're just as dead as you would be if you had a megabiotech overman body

wait you're shitposting aren't you

>>9603755
it is the only way to achieve true immortality for a copy of yours*

>>9603755

>>9603755
How do you transfer conciousness?

>>9597145
Well I don't care if god wants it or not. I'm still supporting this man and anyone who wants to stop aging.

>>9603854
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>>9603929
>>9603945

Information/data could theoretically survive the heat death of the universe.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22028-computer-that-could-outlive-the-universe-a-step-closer/amp/

https://artselectronic.wordpress.com/2017/03/10/from-paper-to-the-lab-a-space-time-crystal-computer-that-can-outlive-the-universe/amp/?source=images

>>9605333
Everything humans can do, will do.

>>9596946
Owwww the edge

>>9605333
Can someone give a brainletanon a rundown on what a time crystal is? Ive read papers and still don't really understand it. Its ground state is a state of motion?

>>9596988
how the fuck do you expect to care for that many old people? Humans are not meant to live as long as they already do. Immortality would be a disaster, and thats only considering the halting of natural aging processes, not death by any other means

>>9606070
why can't these old people care for themselves?

>>9606070

I'm assuming those people would work if the ideal life extension wasn't to keep you as an 80 year old for an extra 40 years.

>>9606070

The aim isn't to halt aging, it's to REVERSE it which is actually far easier.

>>9606289
My understanding of aging is that you actually lose unique genetic information. I am by all definitions a layman, but if this is true doesn't "rejuvenation" become impossible since that information is gone forever?

>>9606508
Are you talking about the telomeres? Those are known sequences, and are just cannonfodder.

>>9606655
The way it was explained to me, they are indeed cannonfodder but can eventually be exhausted after enough cell replications. Once they're gone you begin losing valuable information.

>>9606726
you can just restore the telomeres before they're worn down, certain organisms even do it naturally
I think you start getting ill very quickly when they're gone since genes are generally pretty important, so most people that aren't old as fuck should still have them. Not sure though.

immortality bump

>>9606070

>how the fuck do you expect to care for that many old people?

Not sure if you're being retarded on purpose, but being old biologically is the same thing as suffering from the feebleness of old age. If they're still feeble, then they haven't had their biological age reversed. So you're talking about a scenario you pulled out of thin air. Why would healthy young adults need others to take care of them?

>>9606508

This is not entirely true, its just that mutations accumulate as do senescent cells and thus you get an increasing proportion of genetically mutated/dysfunctional cells as you age. You still retain a large number of healthy cells, as well as stem cell pools, that can be used as the blueprint for replacing these damaged cells. The problem is finding reliable and safe techniques to do so, which is one of the focuses of SENs.

>>9596254

Not a fraud and not someone who "hasn't done anything." SENs website has a list of publications that resulted from research projects funded partially or entirely by funds it has raised, and he gave most of his money (I think in excess of $10 million) to fund many of these research projects.

He is eccentric and a poor public speaker though.

>>9606726

True once the telomeres are exhausted deleterious deletions begin to occur (and also occur prior to this point) but you still retain a population of healthy cells that can be used as blueprints for therapeutic intervention.

>>9608565
I suspected you might say this. Thanks

>>9608558

>>9608562
For the amount of money spent the results are rather pathetic. I agree that he's not a fraud but he is a delusional rube like his donors.

>>9608908

Millions are not really enough for all the necessary research, Aubrey himself said billions are needed to get things moving in a few decades.

>>9609049
Thereby explaining away any failure through lack of money. Pathetic.

>>9609064

So you're suggesting that curing all the diseases associated with aging (heart disease, cancer, etc.) should be cheaper than curing just one of them (cancer having had many billions of dollars invested in curative research alone)?

The results are objectively rather stellar for the pittance of funding he receives. Especially the 2015 article on the synthesis of glucosepane and the 2016 article on expressing mitochondrial genes from the nucleus.

>>9596254
Fraud.

>>9609064
millions of dollars is like, getting all parents of a upper middle class private school together and pooling their cash. You think you can stop aging on a budget of millions?

>>9609082
are there any exact figures on their funding?

>>9609064
Yeah, with 4 million per year for the building, equipment, and salaries of the scientists they should easily have cured aging by now.

>>9610578

Yes they publish their finances in an annual report.

http://www.sens.org/about/organizational-reports

>>9604489
There's nothing wrong with improving lifespan and quality of life, as long as it's done with good intentions.

>>9596254

>>9596254
MOTHER FUCKER
What's the point of living forever if the universe is going to die anyway ?!

>>9611339
t.brainlet

>>9596946
>implying that death through slow deterioration is a good thing

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>>9603945
The Moravec Transfer is the only way to preform mind uploading that would actually transfer your consciousness.

>>9611376
>implying consciousness is an object

>>9611339
>implying that after billions of years of technological advancement it won't be possible to figure out how to create a type 4 civilization and colonize other universes

>>9611397
Not sure if you're actually this retarded, but if you assume that you have a continuous consciousness throughout your life, then your consciousness must be transferable. The atoms that form your brain are continuously being replaced along with the atoms in all other parts of your body, essentially Ship of Theseus-ing and forming your shape. The idea behind the Moravec Transfer is gradually replacing the neurons in your natural brain with artificial neurons that are more durable and efficient. If you think that your consciousness is continuous and is being transferred to different matter naturally, then the Moravec Transfer should theoretically work as well.

>>9611431
>but if you assume that you have a continuous consciousness throughout your life
ever heard of the phrase "lose consciousness"?

>>9611444
What I am referring to is if even in situations where you lose consciousness, the "you" that occupies your body is the same "you" that occupies it before and after an individual loses consciousness, if that makes any sense.

>>9611413
>other universes
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA

>>9611339
why don't u save it?

>>9611339
lol

Can't one be both?

>>9612043
how?

>>9611673

>>9611339
You're a brainlet.

see >>9605333

>>9611339
it won't

>they don't know about recent advances in senolytic drug development
>they don't know about recent progress on breaking glucosepane crosslinks
>they don't know about parabiosis
>they don't know about catabodies
>they don't even have the most elementary of understandings of modern drug development and how new techniques will be fruitfully applied to the problems of human aging

Feels great working in pharma, having a complete understanding of what's going on in the biotech world, and holding a rosy outlook for the future.

>>9596254

This man is a Saviour in the sense that he is offering money to anyone who can solve any and all problems involving aging that significantly increase life expectancy in a proven fashion.

Do you have any idea the amount of shit I would have to pull off to extend your life to double without cryogenics?

Or worse, seal it further with nano-bots or biological agents? Without resorting to cheap imprints and "ghosts"?

This madness boarder on magic.

>>9612511
yes yes, but will I be able to cosmetically modify myself into an anime?

>>9612511
if ur so knowledgable - how can we ensure we live long enough to see those drugs in action and prolong our lives?

>>9596416
He isn't wrong if he succeeds in halting the aging process, but still eventually dies.

>>9597255
You know, given human nature, if people got hit on the head by a baseball bat every week, pretty soon they would invent reasons why getting hit on the head with a baseball bat was a good thing. But if you took someone who wasn't being hit on the head with a baseball bat, and you asked them if they wanted it, they would say no. I think that if you took someone who was immortal, and asked them if they wanted to die for benefit X, they would say no.

>>9611673
Not an argument

>>9612880
not him but just have basic healthy habits and don't do extreme sports or live in the ghetto probably

>>9612926
only dumbasses poison themselves by being obese, eating shit, being sedentary and doing drugs/alcohol/cigs
i expected some pharmaceutist tips like choke on metmorfin and resvaratrol

>>9596254
why does he remind me of Tyrell from the new Bladerunner so much

>>9613026
if there was something outside of the realm of healthy living that could extend life reliably for decades everyone would already know about it

who is he?

>>9597145
If that was true he wouldnt have left the holy grail or brought back Lazarus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMTBbVn-bnA&feature=youtu.be

https://discord.gg/ftSbffu

He should really shave his fucking beard, I get that it appeals to the reddit crowd that are desperate for new idols to worship but it doesn't help with serious investors and public leaders

>>9613685
shave no, trim yeah

>>9613288
maybe people keeping their informations up to date might know something that could give us at least minimal edge

>>9613685
his wife is into it

>>9613895
what if he's looking for eternal life just so he can grow his beard as long as possible

>>9613304
Michael jackson

>>9613395
He does miracles so we can understand His power. And obviously even if the holy grail does exist it's not for everyone.

>>9614197
wow so smart

>>9614754

>>9612880
Fast for three continuous days every month. Don't drink or smoke. Follow the Mediterranean diet. If you're old, take rapamycin and/or metformin. Exercise.

For now, there isn't that much you can do aside from the obvious, especially if you're still young.

>>9596254

>>9596761
Just a dude with a million dollar research charity.
I like the man but it takes more than a good TED talk for me to donate my hard earned cash.

>>9611431
> if you assume that you have a continuous consciousness throughout your life, then your consciousness must be transferable
agreed

>the Moravec Transfer should theoretically work as well
this is highly speculative. It may make intuitive sense, but we don't have the slightest clue about how consciousness actually works.

>>9617045

We will probably figure out how to stop aging before we figure out how to digitally transfer consciousness.

>>9617083
haha

>>9618285

haha im le genyoos so im saying haha to signal this to everyone

>>9606070
>humans are not meant to x
how to argue like a brainlet 101

I don't understand what is he doing.
Is it the beard, the beer or the pictures that fight aging?

>>9619185

I think its the massive amount of high quality publications on a shoestring budget. I only answer because I know you asked your question in complete good faith without an attempt at being dishonest or disingenuous.

>>9619209
I was making a bad joke, but I was also curious

>>9619216

http://www.sens.org/research/publications?keys=&research_themes_tid=All&field_publication_type_value%5B%5D=1&field_publication_type_value%5B%5D=2&field_publication_type_value%5B%5D=2a&field_publication_type_value%5B%5D=3&items_per_page=50

>>9596416
kys

savior

being immortal is my only purpose in life

fraud

>>9620644
me too
you have to kill me first
MOHAHAHAAHHAHAAHA

>>9622125
why?

I find people like him pathetic, desperately clinging to life, flailing around in a futile attempt to avoid the inevitable outcome of all things.

I hope someone shoots him, frankly.

>>9622597
if you dont care about your life just kys u trash
judging people badly for wanting to preserve the only thing that truly matters only shows your double digit iq

>>9622597
i'm sure the person heading a multi-million dollar medical research institute gives a shit about some fat neckbeard from /sci/

>>9622832
im not fat

>>9622832
well a couple millions is not that big and he is tryinna scam people for money in all his talks

>>9623375
>i'm sure the person heading a multi-million dollar medical research institute gives a shit about some fat neckbeard from /sci/

I-I am...

;-;

>>9623423

Are you saying he scammed himself out of the $10 million of his inheritance he spent on research?

Fuck immortality let's just live while we are young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbPED9bisSc

>>9624824
kys