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9589767 No.9589767 [Reply] [Original]

What is dark matter?
>in your opinion
>go wild

>> No.9589799

its the stuff typhon from Prey and black holes are made of

>> No.9589840

>>9589767
Nothing

>> No.9589881

>>9589767
ur face faggit

>> No.9589882

>>9589840
ikr, people come up with bullshit explanations and they don't even understand how gravity works.

>> No.9589887

it's what QM collapsed waves turn into

>> No.9589893

>>9589767
Trapped conduits of PMUs.
Remember. No half A presses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A

>> No.9589897

>>9589767
It sure as hell aint a neuron.

>> No.9589910
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>>9589897
Loosely connected "solid" objects emitting an invisible force that keeps them together.
Are you sure about that?

>> No.9589917

>>9589767
Reality seeping into the dream

>> No.9589952

>>9589767
Just random shit that doesn't reflect much or give off much energy. Basically, space sand.

>> No.9589971

>>9589952
+1

>> No.9589979

>>9589767
The souls of the people and pets who died

>> No.9589998

>>9589767
A ton of neutrinos?

>> No.9590016

>>9589767
Satan. Science is trying to summon pure evil into our hearts and this is proof of it

>> No.9590520

>>9589767
Me.

>> No.9590525

>>9589952
Well, I don't like it.

>> No.9590664

There is no dark matter. We are currently in a space bent from gravity. Thus we see things far from us moving faster than they actually do. Because time is slower here and we see galaxy spin in "fast forward" mode.
>easy

>> No.9590678

>>9589767
It is mostly made of phlogiston and luminiferous aether.

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>>9590525

>> No.9590736

>>9589998
Why not. After all 90% of the energy given away in super novae is actually neutrinos.

>> No.9590749

surprised noone's mentioned the Niggerdicks Conjecture

>> No.9590755

a big rounding error

>> No.9590761

>>9590749
Quality shilling right there

>> No.9590769
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9590769

dark matter is the name we give to the anomaly which leads to the unexpected galactic rotation curves. I do not think this anomaly will be resolved with magic invisible particles. I think it will be resolved through the assumption of galactic geometry which is more complicated than the simplest possible geometry that is consistent with the 2D images of galaxies that our telescopes record.

>see the final section in my book
>The General Relevance of the Modified Cosmological Model
MIRROR 1: http://vixra.org/abs/1712.0598
MIRROR 2: http://2occatl.net/1712.0598v2.pdf
MIRROR 3: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sXrFZhMo9OjoauL0SgAvpSxD_8qaAYi0/view?usp=sharing

>> No.9590770

>>9590755
what like 30% off?

>> No.9590774

dark matter is the souls of 1500 gang raped british girls.

>> No.9590782

>>9590769
To clarify the above's comment about galactic rotation curves: the amount of mass that we observe in galaxies is not enough to keep the galaxies together according to our current model. Since the galaxies aren't flying apart, we must assume there is some unseen matter in each galaxy that accounts for the missing mass, this is what we call dark matter.

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>>9590782
an example I like is grains of sand on a plate. If you spin the plate slowly the force of friction will hold the sand in place and move in a circle. If you spin the plate fast then the sand will fly off.

Now let the sand be stars and the friction be gravity. The stars on the outer edge of the plate are moving too fast for what we understand the gravity to be.

Pic related, some people think magic invisible particles will reconcile the upper curve with the lower one. I am not one of those people.

Want to read about something PATENTLY ABSURD? read about the dark energy chameleon field.

>> No.9590822

>>9589767
unallocated memory
the universe is a computer obviously

>> No.9590867

>>9590525
The very first thing you have to learn about the universe is that it wasn't made for us to like it.

>> No.9591044

>>9590782
>>9590769
Problem is that this is just one of the current evidences for dark matter. There are several others that are unrelated to galaxy rotation and that severely constrain the theoretical possibilities, the wiki page actually explains it pretty well.

We can even know quite well where the Dark Matter is, so it we are very sure that it is some form of matter and not an error in the theory (this isn't as clear for dark energy).

My take on it is that it is just some form of very boring uninteractive particle.

>> No.9591064

>>9591044
just adding that the Bullet Clustes is the smoking gun evidence regarding this. It pretty much kills any hypothesis that try to explain Dark Matter as some kind of different gravity.

>> No.9591207

>>9589767
Its an endless sea of pussy

>> No.9591232

>>9591044
>We can even know quite well where the Dark Matter is, so it we are very sure that it is some form of matter
this is wrong. there is no evidence for magical invisible particles, or any of the things you could reasonable call "matter which is dark"

What do you refer to as evidence for dark matter beside the galactic rotation curves? To which wiki do you refer?

>> No.9591238

>>9591064
>the Bullet Clustes is the smoking gun evidence
I disagree. The evidence is only "smoking" when you assume a cluster geometry that is the simplest possible one consistent with the 2D images of the cluster

>> No.9591268

Holy fuck /sci/.

>Dark Matter

End science.

>> No.9591635

>>9590822
this
dark matter is just a memory leak

>> No.9591659

>>9589767
a shitload of black stuff that we go trough and shit

>> No.9592242

>>9591238
So it's not an ivsible heavy, yet non-interactive particle that's supposed to be all around us? How unexpected!

>> No.9592438

>>9589767
Dark matter is what connects Universes together. If you somehow remove Sun and this event is linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur then you discover that Sun's gravity is still there, it just dissipates slowly, because Sun is withdrawn from nearby parallel Universes not at the same time, but gravity penetrates all layers of Multiverse and we will see "gravity fade". So dark matter is just matter that does not belong to our Universe.

>> No.9592740

It's the perfidious ether.

>> No.9592749

>>9591268
Kill yourself.

>> No.9592784

>>9592438
They say that "gravitons" are open strings and are supposed to go through dimentions, right? So if there's some type of matter in the other dimentions it interacts with "our" matter via gravity? Is that what you're saying? Very interesting if so. Thanks for your contribution.

>> No.9592790

>>9589767
An explanation for the unexplained.

>> No.9592838

>>9589767
Physically real.

Wild, I know, but you asked.

>> No.9593295

>>9589767
Placeholder

>> No.9593403

A meme name for a force we haven't really discovered.

>> No.9593624

>>9589952
I don't like it... its coarse, rough and gets everywhere

>> No.9593907

The more empty space the higher the k value of the dielectric (vacuum). This is dark matter.

>> No.9593915

>>9589767
>What is dark matter?

An excuse.

>> No.9593924
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9593924

Here is my crazy mentors idea on what it is. He is dead now, like my interest in physics.

>> No.9593925

>>9589767
>What is dark matter?

The Old Ones

>> No.9593944

>>9589767
One link in an endless chain of attempts to explain how the universe works.

>> No.9593956

>>9589767
My dank alternative to dark matter:

We already know that the universe is expanding and that this will red shift electromagnetic waves as if they were coming from a lower gravitational state.

So if we say that the expansion of the universe also coincides with a uniform growth in gravitational potential except where there is matter. Then we very naturally get higher gravitational potential space around matter which is why galaxy's dont fly apart. Galaxy's are just filling scars left by matter slowing the expanding universe.

It can even explain how galaxy's, galactic clusters and super clusters form and what caused matter to break apart into chunks to begin with after the big bang.
During the early low entropy universe, the matter formed tiny cracks where slightly more expansion occurred until those areas had a higher gravitational potential and matter was less likely to go there. With this you get a feedback that will end up clustering matter. These "cracks" formed on different scales at different times during the early universe.

This is such a simple solution that I know someone must have thought of it before, which makes me think it doesn't fit our models or observations. I haven't been able to find anything on this searching for it though.

>> No.9594742

If most of the universe is dark matter and it doesn't interfere or block photons would it not have to be transparent?

>> No.9594761

its analogous to "junk" DNA, aka redundancy for all the shit that goes sour constantly so it can be replaced with no one noticing.

>> No.9594772

I'm new to /sci/, is it an equal balance of shitposts and serious answers a la this thread? I like it.

>> No.9594786

simple analogy;
dark matter is a ball of yarn constantly being knitted/crocheted into the already made universe.

>> No.9595547

>>9594772
I find shitposts here to be more entertaining that /pol/ for example.

>> No.9595564

>>9589767
Matter particles that do not interact with the electromagnetic force.

>> No.9595575

>what do you think dark matter is?
axions


>>9590769
>being this MOND in 2018

>> No.9595673

There's a good chance it doesn't exist, it could however. It was used to patch faulty maths which means we don't understand gravity's nuances properly. Here is an interesting documentary. Within the video the origins of the mathematics behind dark matter and related topics such as the big bang and expansion of the universe are explained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmotCQCxQEI

>> No.9595682

>>9589767
a big fucking excuse

>> No.9595685

>>9589767
the precursor to declaring a wormhole has been found !

>> No.9595702

>>9589767
Probably some weird interaction with a field we don't even know about yet that is like electricity to magnetism for gravity.

>> No.9595709

>>9589882
THis in my opinion. They keep building ever more elaborate dark matter and WIMP detectors that they promise will find these particles in a few years for a decade now. They refuse to admit maybe they have gotten gravity over long distances wrong. Nope we have to go by this formula and damn our lying eyes if they say anything to the contrary it must be that 75% of the universe is invisible magic goo.

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>>9589882
>>9590664
>we don't understand gravity!
Wow anons, you figured it out. When are you expecting your Nobel Prizes?

>> No.9595802

>>9589767
energy due to computations which sustain lifeforms. stars, galaxies etc are all alive and their self sustaining interactions have energy which looks like gravitational mass.

>> No.9595980

>>9595730
Thanks for your contribution brainlet.

>> No.9595989

>>9589767
dark matter is something we don't understand yet

>> No.9596039

>all there brainlets it
Dark matter is just that: DARK matter. It is regular matter, just too dark to see.

>> No.9596057

>>9589767
Dark matter is a meme -> it does not exist

>> No.9596073

>>9595709
that's not really better though, instead of adding invisible mass we add an otherwise unprovable additional term to the equation describing gravity, without understanding why or how distance affects gravity in any detail
we don't just need to know what's causing this, we need to know how

>> No.9596096

Dark matter is photons

>> No.9596123

>>9595980
You're welcome

>> No.9596138

>>9596123
Your*
>brainlet confirmed

>> No.9596496

>>9589767
A variable invented to hide the fact that the Standard Model of Physic's basic physical prediction model does NOT accurately reflect observed reality by an error margin of 95%.

Dark Matter is an invisible pink unicorn.

Whenever the standard model is wrong, we don't go and 'find' this dark matter, we take the sum of the error and simply claim that that much is "dark," and we're not just wrong.

All evidence for Dark Matter relies on the circular premise of it existing and being orders of magnitude more common than observable matter.

>> No.9596497

>>9596039
>95% of all matter is dark or the Standard Model is wrong.

So it's "just like regular matter" and 19 times more common than regular matter but we can't feel it or find it?

>> No.9596512

>>9589767
A new BILLION dollar industry of guessing

>> No.9596515

>>9596497
dark matter exists way way way out there
>no use letting the nigger ruin our solar neighborhood
>yes they are all white male mega racists

>> No.9596528

>>9596515
>dark matter exists
This statement is roughly equal in credibility to all claims that it exists.

God exists, way way out there, too.

>> No.9596536

>>9596515
No, dark matter is what we invent so our models make sense.

There are other theories (string theory, for example) that don't require to invent large masses floating somewhere to make sense.

>> No.9596538

>>9596515
Everything I read says that Dark Matter is attracted to gravitational objects like stars and presumably planets too, at 95% of all matter in the universe, I guess you're right in saying it'd require being artificially removed from our region of space to not be here and yet still be real.

>> No.9596539

>>9596528
but but but but muh muh starry pinwheel!

>> No.9596542

>>9596515
This can't be true because Sol is one of the stars that doesn't move like the Standard Model says it's supposed and its movement too is corrected with "dark matter."

If Dark Matter isn't affecting our star, then Dark Matter has no effect on the gravitational force, yet its entire claimed purpose is to be an invisible effect on the gravitational force.

>> No.9596553

>>9589998
those don't exist either

muh muh muh muh mu h cave !

error +- 1,000,00000,000,0,00,0,00,0,00,0000 to the 500th

>> No.9596585
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9596585

>>9589767
drkmtrgbsmny

>> No.9597281

>>9589998
\thread

>> No.9597488

Hooey made up by scientists to get more funding.

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>>9593924

>> No.9597623

>>9591268
Holy fuck /sci/.

>'X' Rays

End science.

>> No.9597625

It's like anti-existence, where you need it to balance out to existence

>> No.9597626

>>9594742
Yes, what the uneducated don't realise is that the 'dark' in 'dark matter' simply means it doesn't interact electromagnetically.

Given that we are already perfectly aware of a variety of particles that don't interact electromagnetically, invoking the existence of more isn't really that far-fetched.

>> No.9597640

>>9593924
>physics professor develops alzheimers and then rediscovers the effect of propagating orders of magnitude difference through simple math operations
>this is gravity

>> No.9597720

>>9589767
No such thing. Their models don't work so they filled the equations with arbitrary numbers.

>> No.9597724

>>9596528
That is hardly fair. Plenty of people have observed God. There is at least anecdotal evidence for God.

>> No.9597727

>>9589767
>hmm these galaxies don't behave like we think they should from previous observations
>better make up some cool sounding bullshit to make it seem like we know what we're doing!
>make sure that it acts in a way that's completely unobservable so we have to keep doing 'research'

>> No.9597956

>>9589767
Proof that blacks will conquer the earth and the universe.

>> No.9599162

>>9595802
this is a very cool sci-fi idea

>> No.9599180

One theory I've heard is that dark energy is the remnants of innumerable primordial black holes. Since black holes created in the big bang could be significantly sub-stellar mass, they could decay all the way to the planck-mass withen 13 billion years. Once they are at the planck-mass, they cannot decay further or gain mass because of uncertainty in location, and thus stick around forever as particles which only interact gravitationally with the rest of the universe

>> No.9599199

>>9596096
photons have no mass tho. I think it's just scientists trying to make shit up bc they believe they can un-ironically measure the entire galaxy from our dinky little rock

>> No.9599236

>>9599180
That's....actually interesting.

>> No.9599251

>>9589767
A necessary correction to our current gravitational models that people who don't understand general relativity are speculating into oblivion as a subject to be taken seriously.

>> No.9599355

>>9589767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo232kyTsO0

>> No.9600537

>>9596096
>Dark matter is photons
You mean, anti-photons.
photons are light without mass.
anti-photons are mass without light.
SOLVED

>> No.9600840

>>9596497
>regular matter is only like 5%
>5% is "regular"
Dumb

>> No.9600851

>>9597724
Hallucinations don't count.

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9600889

>>9593925
*Great

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9600893

Is this entire board just some idiot looking up the word "science" in Google, copying the first Buzzword that popped up in a recent TEDTalk, and then pasting it here in the same "Wut do you think of ______ format"?

You don't have any specific questions about a given subject, just a 3rd grader tier "Whut do you think of Suzy" level of question.

>> No.9600897

>>9600893
/sci/ is 50% /pol/tards who probably aren’t very intelligent

>> No.9600905

>>9600893
This is the stem graduate rp board

>> No.9600975

>>9600893
holy fuck it's a discussion board what else do you expect?
Dark matter in particular is something that can be speculated about.
So sorry it pisses you off this is not the regular "do my homework" thread.

Fucking cockmongler.

>> No.9601191

>>9596138
>Your*
He was correct by typing "you're" you fucking brainlet.

>> No.9601301

>>9601191
t. brainlet

>> No.9601709

>>9601301
>i was only pretending to be retarded xD

>> No.9601742

>>9596138
that bait was pretty obvious
>>9601191
how did you fall for that? maybe you are a brainlet

>> No.9601829

Dark enerGy is an anagram.

G*D

>> No.9601924

>>9589767
It's actually not dark. We just don't know what else to call it. And to think I'm constantly being bombarded with dark energy Lighting strikes every day.

>> No.9601952

>>9596536
they just require inventing 11 dimensions

>> No.9601964

Dark Matter is the scientific equivalent of Enron cooking the books.

>> No.9602051

>>9599180
I like this theory

>> No.9602282

>>9593403
>force
But no

>> No.9602935

>>9589767
Its the modern ether.

>> No.9602944

thoughts and prayers = dark matter

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>>9589767
Non-baryonic matter (ie. dark matter) is a theoretical substance that's been around long before we started observing the effects of dark matter on the universe at large. Like anti-matter, it's something that was proposed to exist before its discovery, and something established predictive theories, that we sometimes depend on for various devices to operate, predicts exist. (Save that, unlike anti-matter, non-baryonic matter has yet to be actually discovered). It's been long accepted that matter that does not interact with electromagnetics should be out there.

Issue being, while it should exist, an explanation for it existing in such large quantities so as to create the effects we observe is not forthcoming, in addition to the fact that it's difficult to detect and thus verify its existence. (Once also technically true of anti-matter, though for different reasons.)

There are large non-uniform, non-interactive gravitational masses out there, so you can't math it a way - it has to be something, and thus far, this is the closest thing we have that fits within the working models.

Dark energy and dark matter are not related, despite having the "dark" in their name. It's just means something is happening, and we're not absolutely sure why - and as always, scientists are shit at naming things. IMO, dark energy, unlike dark matter, is something you might be able to math away, as its effect is uniform - but you still need an alternative explanation that fits the observations, and so far no one has come up with one that holds up as well under scrutiny.

>> No.9603239

>>9600889
Found the newfriend. Read some Lovecraft.

>> No.9603684

>>9589767
I put my money in new physics

>> No.9603878

>>9602968
>gravitons are not bind to a single dimention
>including time
>therefore they can go back and forth in time
>dark matter is matter interacting with itself through time

Mark my word faggots.

>> No.9603943

>>9589767
pretend all matter displaces matter that we can not interact with directly. For example, an electron's location cannot pinpointed in an electron cloud, so in essence the electron is being displaced by matter. A somewhat equivalent case can be made for dark matter.

>> No.9603992

>>9595730
People who can differentiate between non-matter and matter can understand gravity by applying properties of matter to non-matter. For example, if you assume matter can displace non-matter and that non-matter want to move to the place it was pushed out of gravity can be conceptualized in a way humans can understand. Radiation is movement in non-matter. Because fluid tends to move in loops (eddy currents) coherent movements can travel long distances. There are only a few ways non-matter can move coherently due to the drag it revives from other densities and structures of both non-matter and matter. Light can be used to observe fields of non-matter. Light will speed up and slow down in a vacuum, this shows that the photo-electric effect does not operate via photon electron interaction. The challenge we face currently is the identification and taxonomy of non-matter, but that will not happen until we stop calling electrons, photons, and other mass-less particles matter. Matter must have mass and occupy space.

>> No.9604008

>>9603992
Oh something I forgot to mention, you might know this already. Gravitational waves were measured by recording variations in light speed in a vacuum. So we know the photoelectric effect/electromagnetic retardation can be triggered by movements in the same non-matter that causes a gravitational pull.

>> No.9604027

>>9590016
This

>> No.9604037

>>9591635
Neutrinos don't actually have mass, that's just clock drift

>> No.9604043

dark matter is not real, in my opinion. it's a meme

>> No.9604054

>>9591238
Explain why it is that we see the same effect in 72 other colliding clusters.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6229/1462

>> No.9604704

>>9604037
black holes are just floating point errors

>> No.9604760

>>9599180
Sadly, this hypothesis is not coherent with all observations.

>> No.9605152

Dark matter is all the souls of future humans that will eventually come to be.

>> No.9605161

>>9589952
Huh, what if it's the answer to the Fermi Paradox

>> No.9605167

>>9589767
Just more collective gravity from the universe as a whole.

>> No.9605204

>>9595709
This is what shitters who have never even looked into this field of study say. Theorists have been working for decades to try to figure out modified theories of gravity that explain away dark matter while remaining consistent with the predictions observed from GR, and they can't fucking do it. We have a metric fuckton of evidence that supports GR being accurate over a wide variety of scales, and countless people have dedicated their lives to trying to modify gravity, and all have failed.

It's really not hard to imagine that there are exotic massive particles that interact weakly or not at all electromagnetically. That's all dark matter is.

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>>9605204
>gr us accurate
>as long we can make up forces order of magnitude stronger than those observed

>> No.9606325

>>9595575
3 out of 3 galaxies (Milky Way, Andromeda, Centaurus A) does not fit the dark matter data regarding dwarf galaxies (in CDM they should be distributed randomly due to the CDM density), but they are distributed in an orthogonal plane.

Oliver Müller (university of Basel) showed this in a recent paper.

>Being this Dark Matter in 2018

>> No.9607356

>>9589887
aye, I like this theory

>> No.9607370

>>9590822
close, it's memory, just used. the wave function collapse data is contained in it, and the multiverse is hyperthreading.

>> No.9607402

>>9605204
>This is what shitters who have never even looked into this field of study say. Theorists have been working for decades to try to figure out modified theories of newtonian physics that explain away the phenomena of light while remaining consistent with the predictions observed from F=MA, and they can't fucking do it. We have a metric fuckton of evidence that supports classical physics being accurate over a wide variety of scales, and countless people have dedicated their lives to try to modify the equation, and all have failed.

>It's really not hard to imagine that there are exotic undetectable mediums occupying vacuum that allows lightwaves to propagate akin to sound through space without loss of energy or absorbing any momentum. That's all aether is.

>> No.9607418

>>9589952

This can't work for various reasons:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#Baryonic_matter

>> No.9607455

>>9591064

The Bullet Cluster also seems to indicate that Dark Matter doesn't interact with itself, at all. Not even gravitationally. The supposed halos of dark matter just passed right through each other with no scattering whatsoever. It just raises further questions.

>> No.9607872

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIFjkYhNXkE

>> No.9607888

>>9605465
a classic

>> No.9607898

>>9607455
All it does is place a fairly weak upper limit on th DM-DM scattering cross section. Which, iirc, is weaker than the neutron-neutron scattering cross section.

And you are wrong about the gravitational interactions. You should look it up. You sound kind of uneducated.

>> No.9607900

Stealth ayylium spaceships.

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>>9589767
assuming pilot wave theory
pic related all particles are bouncing droplets
we entirely consist of bouncing droplets
the bouncing droplets are acted upon by the surface of the water but the surface of the water is non local to the droplets
dark matter is the surface of the water

dark matter is like the wind that shapes the sand dunes we can infer its existence from the shape of the dunes but is non local to us as we are made up of the grains of sand

>> No.9608294

Protip : in the mass breakdown of the universe , you are in the ' dark matter ' category

>> No.9608311

>>9590822
This

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>>9606325
Well, that is just because Muller lacks imagination. He just needs to add black matter and black energy in all the right places and the equations prove the existence of BM and the validity of the standard model.

>> No.9609043

It's nothing, because black people don't matter

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>>9589887
true
>>9590761
also true

..who said it cant be both


>>9590822
it's not a binary computer though, our universe is processor and memory at the same time so there is no mallocating anything sry

I kinda picture it like this:
If "everything is a wave" and we "add them all together to a single waveform", then we "make an opposite of it/invert it" and "add it to the original" we get "nothing" aka "dark matter" or "the dark matter". It's not actually "nothing" because it """IS""" the "result" our "original waveform added to its inverse".

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Dark matter is the glue holding pseudo-science together.

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>>9590822
it's not a binary computer though, our universe is processor and memory at the same time so there is no mallocating anything sry

>>9589887
I have no proper physics education so I naively picture it like this:
If "everything is a wave" and we "add them all together to a single waveform", then we "make an opposite of it/invert it" and "add it to the original" we get "nothing" aka "dark matter" or "the dark matter". It's not actually "nothing" because it """IS""" the "result" our "original waveform added to its inverse".

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>>9589882
>Not knowing gravity
Truly a brainlet. Every child knows that
F(Gravity)=G* m1m2/r^2

>> No.9609328

>>9609070
I'm not sure if pop-sci is not doing its job, or if it is, as you guys sure as hell make dark matter sound a whole lot niftier than anything I've ever heard of.

It's just supposed to be non-baryonic matter, ie. matter that isn't bound to the electromagnetic field. That's it - nothing mystical or fancy. It's something that's long been thought to exist, just more recent observations got us thinking maybe there's a lot more of it about than previously thought.

Dark energy is a little more odd, but not much. It's just a force resulting from vacuum energy. They've nothing to do with one another.

>> No.9609790

>>9609328
and in other news, the government has announced they have balanced the budget with "dark revenue"

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Most will hate this idea :)

Dark matter is the background of partial dimensions that hold our 4 dimensional reality together (fractal - dimensions not perceived by us as full dimensions down to points (or strings)). Basically it is the unseen structure that supports the seen structure - mass etc.

>> No.9610072

>>9609790
Yes, bailouts and fiscal easing are alien currency from the 11th dimension.

Cuz that's what this whole damned thread sounds like! Everyone's taking fairly simple concepts and mystifying the fuck out of them, just cuz some idiot stuck the word "dark" in front of it. (Man, I should start that thread on /biz/ and see if it goes the same way...)

>> No.9610089

>>9609889
This description is suspiciously close to most rpg explanations of how magic works

>> No.9610094

>>9610089
>>9609889

I agree, tho. Posted a video in this thread already, but fuck it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9AeYxJbPE

>> No.9610174

>>9591268
Holy fuck /sci/.

>Nuclear Reactors

End science.

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>>9609790
That actually does work since money is purely a government creation.

https://fixingtheeconomists.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/taxation-government-spending-the-national-debt-and-mmt/

>> No.9610243

>>9610241

Tinfoil economics at its fucking best.

>> No.9610246

>>9590822
how to troll sci: use the simulation thought experiment to answer unsolved problems in physics.

and you wonder why we all hate CS majors here.

>> No.9610249

>>9605465
the cosmological constant pissed einstein off to no end -- he knew he was missing something.

>> No.9610253

>the numbers don't match up, could it be we were wrong about gravity over long distances and need to rework the model?
>no, it must be some magic invisible matter that doesn't interact with anything except gravity conveniently enough
The absolute state of "scientists".

>> No.9610277

>>9610243
MMT is quite literally an empirically verified model of banking operations. Are you really going to argue that money is a real thing? The state can quite literally create and destroy it at will, with no real cost.

>> No.9610303

The only thing that is not a wave in this universe.

>> No.9610306

>>9589767
No such thing

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>>9589767
Fucking brainlets, brainlets everywhere!

The galaxies appear to coalesce this way because they are representations of their true existence as close-ended strings wedded to a 2-dimensional membrane at the boundary. I've put together this quick image for the slower among us.

>> No.9610625

>>9609889
but then what is in between the unseen and the seen structure???

>> No.9610627

>>9610241
what are domestic purposes in this context?

does it mean your average citizen is not allowed to buy gold???

>> No.9610650

>>9589767
Black holes don't collapse to singularities, but into some dense new form of matter (with non-zero radius). As Hawking radiation reduces the black hole, eventually the Schwarzschild radius falls below that of the core exposing it back to the universe. The new matter in the core would only interact with regular matter via gravity.

The dark matter in the universe is just the exposed cores of all the small primordial black holes that have had sufficient time to evaporate.

>> No.9610668

Negative mass matter.

>> No.9610669

>>9591268
Holy fuck /sci/.

>Quantum's mechanic

End science.

>> No.9610711

An abundance of some kind of long lived fermion that only weakly interacts.

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>>9589767
Nothing. It doesn't exist. It's a fudge variable conjured up to fix a flawed model.

>> No.9610718

>>9610711

You mean that interacts in 100% of intergalactic interactions and 0% of intragalactic orbits.

>> No.9611829

>>9610715

Thank you.

>> No.9612817

>it could be a new particle
>new force
>we don't know enough about gravity, GR could be only an approximation, and an exact model would explain rotation of stars in galaxies and similar discrepancies precisely.

>> No.9612854

>>9601924
They use Dark because it's a relative term that sounds a whole lot better than:
>pretendity
>fillatity
>electromagnetismistoohardity
>joogloo

>> No.9612864

>>9610627
>does it mean your average citizen is not allowed to buy gold???

The brainlets here never cease to amaze me. How would anyone even come to ask something like this?

>> No.9613192

>>9590678
Kek

>> No.9613484

>>9595547
Go back

>> No.9613683

>>9589767
Lumiferous Ether

>> No.9614666

>>9589767
an excuse to explain away that pseudoscientists are wrong and incompetent

>> No.9615555

>>9591268

Egad, /natural philosophy/.

>scientific method

End inquiry.

>> No.9615561

>>9589767
>"normal" matter
Matter that behaves in a causal way that agree's with our perception of the dimension of time.
>Anti/Dark Matter
Matter that works in the reverse manner. The causality goes "backwards" through time so to speak.

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boring answer:
> It's just a boring type of matter that doesn't interact easily
slightly less boring answer:
> some gravity property we currently don't understand
slightly exciting answer:
> primordial black holes
/x/ tier answer:
> spiritual world
ultimate black pill:
> 01101111 01110000 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100110 01100001 01100111 01100111 01101111 01110100 00001101 00001010

>> No.9615621

Dark matter is matter moving backward through space time. I believe the universe is made up of the world lines of matter moving forward and backward through space time and interacting with itself on each pass, giving the appearance of many individual pieces of matter but in actuality it is several single types of matter. Imagine a river that winds up, then down, then up again, when you zoom it to this river it gives the appearance of 3 distinct rivers instead of 1 interconnected one, the flow of the river also changes depending on how the river winds and the direction its flowing, this is why we see for instance; electrons and positrons, a positron is just an electron flowing backward through space time.

>> No.9616031

bump

>> No.9616098

>>9603878

I like this one.

I also like the idea of there being parallel universes layered on each other and dark matter is the gravity from them affecting us. Like they say 95% of all the matter in the milky way is dark matter, so there would be 19 parallel milky ways on top of each other.

>> No.9616330

>>9616098
that would explain the deja vu phenomenon

>> No.9616355

>>9589767
Bitcoins

>> No.9616874

>>9589767
A violation of the weak equivalence principle.

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>what is dark matter
Made up because the fagget scientists deny the role of electricity and plasma in space

Thunderbolts.Info

>> No.9617354

>>9617149
I wish electric universe fags would actually explain what they believe coherently.

>> No.9617386

>>9617354
Everything you need to know about electric universe theory is right here:
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/1521935420088.pdf

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>>9589767
Gravity permeating between dimensions perpendicular to our own. Essentially there are other universes “next to” our universe that exist in other dimensions, and gravity leaks between all of them. Imagine a universe is a brane stacked next to others.

Either that or we live in this universe as a hologram on the surface of a black hole, and dark energy is merely the gravitational pull of that black hole being manifest into our holographic projection.

>> No.9618325

>>9617923
Right so things far away are not far away they are just getting smaller. That's why time is slower here on Earth; it takes longer because it's bigger.

>> No.9618333

>>9617923
So a massive object displaces gravity which is leaked into other dimensions, and the resulting equilibrium leakage returns to our dimension as the constant gravitational effect?

>> No.9618619

>>9610650
Interesting perspective

>> No.9618709

DARK MATTER IS A HUBRISTIC FUDGE FACTOR, THREAD OVER

>> No.9619916

>>9589767
Dark Matter are elementary particles that are not within spacetime, but affect its behaviour.