/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9552248
Please fuck off and never post again in this /sci/entific board

>>9552248

Could be a cool setting for a sci fi novel

>>9552248
This is by far the most retarded theory I've seen. Never post this ever again.

>>9552248
The Nazis loved this idea.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-nazis-believed-in-a-universe-full-of-ice-just-to-sp-1637990824

>>9552913
This, though the op should take this to /lit/ or /tg/

>>9552248
If there are multiple such ponds, does that also imply multiple suns and moons orbiting the ice earth?

>>9552248
The gravity would be massive.

But Flat earthers don't believe in Gravity so...

>flat earth
>on a round earth
>BRILLIANT!!!

Basically, all they did was make Antarctica 1000 times larger.

>>9553213
it's hollow

>>9553339
The Earth part is flat

>>9553347
>it's a sphere made up of flat planes

>>9553347

How big the planet is if the "known" Earth is almost flat?

>>9553213
it's density mate. You know wood is less dense than water hence it flows upwards

Most scientists agree that it's far more likely that earth is an infinite flat plane, rather than a huge ice ball.

>>9553389
like surrounded by ice? Why don't we go explore the ice?

>>9553396

Antarctic Treaty prevents the public from exploring Antarctica. The best you can do is go on a "tour", which barely goes into Antarctica (pic related).

>>9553414
But who's going to physically stop an expedition. Just get together with your flat earther bros, hire a captain to take you out there. They won't waste the resources to try and stop you.

>>9553427

Many countries have military bases there. You have to get permission and there are no go areas.

>>9553213
>The gravity would be massive.

It LOOKS like ice, but it could just be Styrofoam.

>>9552248
Does Occam's Razor come into play in insisting the Earth is flat, then attempting to resolve all the contradictions that creates by coming up with a much bigger sphere to set it on? Because I think that Occam's Razor comes into play in insisting the Earth is flat, then attempting to resolve all the contradictions that creates by coming up with a much bigger sphere to set it on

>>9553461

Occam's Razor would conclude the earth is flat, there aren't any contradictions to this.

The globe model is the one that has to resolve all the contradictions (spinning, wobbling tilted earth etc being just the start of it).

>>9553433
>Many countries have military bases there.

Many countries have military bases in EUrope, what does that have to do with anything?

>You have to get permission

OK, do that.

>and there are no go areas.
Even if true, you are looking for a giant ice wall that stretches for many thousands of miles.

Or even just a quick glance at how the Southern circumpolar stars down there work would be sufficient. If there are not any, you prove your point. Hell, you could observe THAT from anywhere in the southern hemisphere.

>But... but... many countries have military bases in the southern hemisphere.

>>9553467
>Occam's Razor would conclude the earth is flat, there aren't any contradictions to this.


Wait, here's one!

>>9553468
>Those lovely, lovely southern circumpolar stars.

>>9553468

The motions of the stars prove we are not on a spinning spheroid.

>>9553496
Odd. You picture shows the exact opposite of what you claim.

>>9553506

The earth is supposed to be rotating on its axis, correct?

Imagine you were standing in that photo. Try to picture the earth rotating on its axis while the stars make those movements in the sky, does it add up? Or is something wrong?

Star trails at the equator also make impossible movements if the globe model is true.

>>9553532
>does it add up? Or is something wrong?

The first one.

>>9553555

Show how it makes sense to you.

>>9553356
No. Actually the earth's area is infinitesimal so that it is flat locally

>>9553549
Star trails over the equator are straight and around the poles are circular. This is exactly what one would expect to see on a spinning globe. Thanks for proving flat earth false.

>>9553596

The earth is supposedly spinning in one direction - which direction is it spinning to create these movements of the stars at the equator?

>>9553612
It's spinning as your picture shows. Again, that spinning means that stars above the axis turn in small circles while stars above the equator turn in large circles around the equator. This produces exactly the picture you posted. Star trails at the equator are shooting straight overhead, while at the poles they are forming small circles. A small child can understand this, so what exactly are you?

>>9553626

Stop being a brainlet.

The north and south stars should be facing opposite to each other, not side by side. Those movements are impossible on a sphere spinning in one direction.

>>9553655

You... do realize that's a panoramic photo, right?

>>9553655
>The north and south stars should be facing opposite to each other, not side by side.
They are. You can't see the stars directly above both poles at the same time (unless you use an extreme panoramic view). You can however see a lot of the stars because they are at least several lightyears away from you, so you have a wide angle that the Earth doesn't block.

>>9552911
>this /sci/entific board

it makes me laugh when people pretend /sci/ has quality content

>>9553667

No it isn't brainlet, it's a long exposure photograph, a panorama would ruin the long exposure shot because you have to move the camera.

>>9553701

Eh, you've ruined the suspension of disbelief that you're not just a troll, I'm gonna go now.

>>9553719

Provide a "real" photo of the equator stars movements, I'd love to see it.

>>9552248
flat earthers are actually cointel to distract from the real truth that the sun is flat
that's why they tell you not to look at the sun, it's all a conspiracy

>>9553743
>movement in a static photo
>photo
*video?

>>9553805

Ever heard of long exposure? Come on brainlet.

>>9553794

You sound like these all these other globe earth geniuses.

>>9553701
>Google panoramic star trail
>get millions of results

http://linchio.com/portfolio/panoramic-startrail/

http://earthsky.org/todays-image/360-degree-3-hour-startrail-panorama

Get fucked, loser.

>>9553841

y u mad tho

Panoramas show there's at least three circular star movements going on at the same time.

>>9553863
No, that's a 360 panorama, so it's wrapping around one of them.

>>9553863
Nope
This is 360 degree panorama

>>9553863
>at least three circular star movements

I count 2.
One visible, and other not visible below the equator. (north and south poles)

>>9553863
>>9553886
>>9553887
Utterly BTFO

>>9552248

How do flat Earthers explain GPS!??

>>9553887
>>9553921

Nope, the panorama has been edited, it should look like this.

>>9553940
has every panorama ever taken on the planet earth also been edited? This is a massive cover-up conspiracy you're unearthing. You must be something super special to figure this all out by yourself!

>>9553414
holy shit kys stupid faggot you can do whatever the fuck you want there as long as you don't contaminate or bring guns, that's the treaty

>>9553433
literally illegal to have a military base in antarctica

>>9553997
A 360 panorama on a globe would have two equator shots, you'll only ever find one.

>>9554003

How do you think the protected areas are protected? http://www.ats.aq/documents/recatt/Att004_e.pdf

>>9552913
This would be a perfect high fantasy setting if the ice was inhabited by some kind of lovecraftian entity

>>9554049
>A 360 panorama on a globe would have two equator shots, you'll only ever find one.
Once again you prove to be completely incapable of thinking coherently.

>>9554091
>for as long as anyone can remember, humans believe entire planet is giant iceball with the only livable area is at one of the poles, heated by geothermal vents or volcanic activity
>legend tells anyone venturing into icy planes is snatched up and eaten by gigantic beasts
>land is limited, and tho nobody wants to talk about it resources are running out, and the population is growing too large
>later an explorer discovers, most of the planet is green and lush and perfectly inhabitable, except it's over run with giant carnivorous Cthulhu beasts
>the perilous ice belt near poles is only thing preventing the beasts from finding, eating and rendering all humans on the planet extinct, but every now and again a desperate/hungery/weakened giant predator wanders the ice out of desperation, picking off any human explorers
>the explorer who made this discovery of the entire planet being inhabitable, accidentally leads a beast to the human sanctuary
>more beasts follow
>entire human civilization must now flee the sanctuary, cross the perrilous frozen wastes, and make settlement in the lush habitable lands currently occupied by tons of Godzilla/Cthulhu sized monsters

>>9552248
The absolute state of /sci/. Just delete this board already.

>>9554434
Just delete the entire fucking website. It's not making a profit. It's not making the world a better place. Just kill it.

>>9554091
Blame! is better.

>>9553863
>>9553940
What the fuck

>>9553935
Clearly all computers are part of the conspiracy and the signals are actually broadcasted secretly from normal cellphone towers. They use the same "explanation" for satellite tv.

>>9554457
this desu

>>9555215
They actually claim that it would be cheaper/easier to do TV with cables than with a satellite.
As if they have actually priced up wiring an entire country.

>>9552248
Flat Earth on an Icy ball? Lmao.

>>9553682
Just because you're a newfag, doesn't mean that every board is like /pol/ or /b/

Please fuck off

>>9553557
The stars aren't moving (obviously they are, but not by enough to make a difference), we are. That causes the stars to make that circular motion. That picture is taken at a pole, yes? So what's the issue?

>>9553356
It would be possible to have a sphere and then shave off a bit to make a flat spot.

>>9553532
It adds up. Why do you think it does not? If it's just "I don;t understand it," your ignorance is not data.

>>9552248
I doubt this is a real conspiracy theory since it just jams all the "what if earth was x" theories together.

>>9552248
I did not think it was physically possible to come up with a more retarded theory than flat earth and yet again OP has shattered my expectations.

One nice thing about the regular ice wall theory is that it's an easy resolution to the question about where all the water went after the flood. It could simply have been turned into ice and added to the ice wall.

Also, people always say that "flat earth can't work because you'd fall sideways when you go south", but that's nonsense. Anyone can tell that gravity work downwards, not sideways. Gravity is the same everywhere, no matter where you are, it falls straight down, not sideways.

>>9556866
yes, but for flat earth to work, gravity would have to be something different than a force attracting toward massive objects. If earth is like a checker board, then gravity would be heavier near the center of the board, where it's closer to the most mass, while at the edge of the board the gravity would appear to be at an angle, attracting toward the center of mass.
Unless gravity is caused by attraction toward an extremely massive object far distant beneath the flat surface making it appear that gravity is parallel.

>>9556891
Why do you assume gravity works towards mass? Your own experiences should tell you gravity works downwards. You have no personal experiences that tell you gravity works to mass, all your experiences tell you it works down. Why can't the people criticizing flat earth theory free themselves from the ideas they have been taught about gravity?

The "gravity = buoyancy" hypothesis doesn't work. Objects floating to the surface of water only happens because of gravity in the first place. You can't replace gravity with buoyancy, because buoyancy IS gravity.

>>9556939
yeah it works downward toward the big mass. And it works for calculating the motion of the moon around the earth. and worked for calculating gravity assisted slingshots of Voyager 2 in the Grand Tour
What otherwise makes "down" the magic direction for gravity?

>>9556939
>Why do you assume gravity works towards mass?
Because people have done experiments.

>>9552248

>>9553433

0 countries have military bases in Antarctica, don't lie

>>9553863
Not gonna lie that is an interesting picture. How could you get that in montana? Astronomy is a little demanding on the brain but I would assume you'd be able to see the swirl for the north pole, but I'd expect to just see one massive swirl that just gets bigger until it's at the equator and starts swirling toward the south pole. Not a flat Earther but yeah it's interesting at first glance

>>9556955
What if I was to say 'gravity' was a synonym for 'buoyancy'?

>>9557093

Are there military personnel there or not? Don't lie.

>>9557174
Then you would be retarded.

Buoyancy is a repulsive "force" and gravity is attractive.

>>9557161

The stars could not make those movements if the earth was a spinning globe orbiting the sun, and with the sun orbiting the galaxy all at once, year after year.

>>9557191
Gravity cuck

>>9557200
>sun orbiting the galaxy all at once, year after year.
>The galactic year, also known as a cosmic year, is the duration of time required for the Sun to orbit once around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. Estimates of the length of one orbit range from 225 to 250 million terrestrial years.
The orbital velocity differentials of other star systems around the galactic center are quite timid, and the distances involved between them means there is extremely little apparent change in the short term. The heavens will not look the same after a full revolution around the milky way, but considering that you'll have to wait a quarter of a billion years the changes aren't going to be overnight. Humanity's more detailed observations of the stars has been limited to the last millennium, the most advanced being within the last couple hundred years. That's peanuts compared to cosmic time scales.

I hate these threads simply because of the false information regarding visiting Antarctica etc.

t. USAP expert / Antarctica enthusiast

>>9556955
Inside the ice ball

>>9553345
could be hollow like a balloon,
so gravity would be lower.

>>9553384
or it could be filled with some lightweight liquid or gel (less dense than rock or magma)

The continents are solid & dense but could float above the liquid just like Ships in Water.

Because the continents could be a porous rock filled with air, so they float above a less dense liquid/gel just like ships float in water.

>>9557301
Seismology proves the Earth is not any of those things.

Unless you believe seismology is part of the conspri- of course it is.

>>9557183
>don't bother me while i move this here goalpost

>>9553447
>Styrofoam
oooohhhh.... the styrofoam earth theory, that makes sense

>>9553612
The arrows at the celestial equator are pointing in the wrong direction.

>>9553612

>>9552248
the final redpill

>>9559295

Where do military personnel stay? That's right, a military base. You are the one moving the goalposts.

>>9560686

Now add the sun to this picture, how can the sun make the movement it does across the sky east to west?

>>9554091
>This would be a perfect high fantasy setting
I mean isn't that pretty much pic related, adjusted for scale?

>>9560800
The planet is rotating west to east so the stars and Sun seems to move east to west from our point of view.

>>9560823
The stars and Sun are in on the conspiracy! They're only pretending to be moving as if the Earth was spinning
Don't you see, it's all too convenient

>>9560823

Does it look like the sun is moving due to earth's rotation?

>>9560862

Hush it, NASA cuck.

>>9560941
>Does it look like the sun is moving due to earth's rotation?
Yes. I suggest that you download space engine and play around with it. Download Stellarium as well.

>>9560961

Have done, you can't show sunrise/sunset as it would look standing from earth. Not interested in CGI anyway.

>>9561031
>you can't show sunrise/sunset as it would look standing from earth

But you can.

>>9561036
Prove it.

>>9560800
>Now add the sun to the starry sky


>Sun
>at Night

>>9561046

>>9561072
It's CGI

>>9561074
strange how physical calculations of what you can see on a round planet rotating on it's axis coincides so well with the night sky and the sun movement, huh?
CONSPIRACY!!!

>>9561072
So you agree earth is spinning this way?

>>9561094
That is correct.

>>9553467
>>/pol

>>9553496
yeah, cant be that you cant display motion in a single picture

>>9561102
Now show the sun when it's at its highest peak.

>>9561121

>>9554457
We know it's you Hillary.

>>9556939
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

>>9557183
You can't prove Antartic exists, have you ever been there?

>>9561133

So how does that work?

>>9561143

Bullshit experiment using lead balls (static electricity).

>>9561160
It works because you fucking turn your head to the south.

>>9561153

So you don't believe it exists? Weirdo.

>>9561153
You can't prove Zimbabwe exists have you ever been there?

>>9561167

What are you babbling about?

Why even try convincing these people, they live on another world
You could take them into space and show the Earth is round and they'll still say it's VR or some bullshit

>>9553863
You fucking moron. It's a round picture that's laid out flat.
>>9557161
His picture is misleading. It's distorted.

If you want a picture of the stars spinning you need a tripod, a camera with a wide angle lens, and you need to set it for a long exposure. Meaning the shutter just stays open for a while. Digital camera are limited to 30 second exposures so if you want an exposure that last longer you'll have to use film.

>>9560941

>>9561160

>>9561164
recreate it with a setting without this fault and send me a hell lotta pics fag

>>9561172
How does that work?

>>9557264
So give us the real scoop. What's going on down there? Are penguins assholes?

>>9561185

Thanks for proving that it's the sun that moves, not the earth.

>>9561242
PROOF THE EARTH IS FLAT!

You've seen it here first folks
Alert the astronomers!

>>9561178
>Digital camera are limited to 30 second exposures so if you want an exposure that last longer you'll have to use film.
OMG anon, what is bulb mode in a reflex digital camera?

>>9561248

Yes it's flat, get over it.

>>9561266
your head is flat

>>9561269

Good one!

>>9557191
I thought gravity was the distortion of spacetime, leading spacetime itself to propel you towards mass...?

>>9555298
lmao who you trying to fool kid

>>9561116
>muh pol bogeyman

>>9561185 >>9561178 >>9561160 >>9561133 >>9561094 >>9561072 >>9560686 >>9553549 >>9553496 >>9553468 >>9552248

NASA Images Aren’t Real, This Is How Space Artists Create Them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1V9d8jrr8

>>9554457
Bullshit, this place is one of the last beacons of free speech in the western world.

>>9562350
It actually is. Which is pretty depressing. What happens when 4chan dies? There's other chans but they're smaller and the communities are scattered. Other social media sites are moderated to all hell and free discussion isn't allowed.