/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9549992
It is possible. The best things as an individuals is to encourage science on more women.

>>9549992
We already have gender equality. What you want is gender communism. Fuck off.

>>9549992
Explain to me why I should care

>>9549992
Honestly 30% ain't bad.

There's no reason to expect 50/50 across all fields.

>>9550021
Why leave so many potential resources unutilized? Scientific research will go faster with more women.

>>9550038
/thread

Brainlets struggle to understand this for some reason.

>>9550060
Not even wrong. However, it'd be more accurate to say:
>Scientific research will go faster with more people.

What's stopping the women who want to get into science from doing so, and how many are unable to do so VS men? That's what you need to look at.

What you're arguing is like saying the percentage of male yoga instructors is only 15% and this needs to be fixed! Seriously, are there tons of men really yearning to be yoga instructors who are being forced out of the industry by women? This is the kind of thing OP is alluding to. Why go through all the trouble to fix an arbitrary ratio number it it won't fix any real problems?

Realistically tho, somewhere out there a women's activist pondered this question. "how do we make women as professionally respectable as men? Scientists are respectable, maybe if we had more female scientists women would be more respected!!" Without even considering if there are more women who want to be scientists, this person uses PR to force women to take a career in science that they'd otherwise not be inclined to. As it's not their favored choice they'll probably do poorly at it and will just women in general look bad or stupid. The logic is not only faulty, it's counter productive and self defeating.

>>9550038
But muh patriarchy is responsible for the lack of women
Clearly forcing a 50/50 quota will fix that

>>9549992
>Will we ever achieve gender equality in science?
Define gender equality. Show that it doesn't exist. Explain why it is worth achieving.

>>9549992
Hire women
Promote women
Believe women
Believe IN women

I, for one, am willing to help change this world for the better, are you?

There should be less, but too many boys are more inspired by sport stars than scientists.

Fuck being a scientist. I am a mathematics major and I have my bachelors degree, but I decided I am going to go back to go for a gender studies degree and psychology degree since it was a subject that I was always interested in yet felt swayed by the faggots on 4chan.org who never seen a vagina before. Am I cuck? If I am then this cuck can murder your ass in a street fight. Come fight me, bitch.

>>9550219
OK. Address?

>>9550176
Your definition of better sucks dick.

>>9550176
What's so egalitarian about affirmative action for one gender?
>the road to hell is paved with good intentions

you can go play for the other team

>>9550038
there isn't even 50/50 in the world

>>9550090
It's the UN, not some random blue haired tumblr feminist behind this.

>>9550176
I heard you were looking for another bull, anon. I'd happily stop by and ram your wife's asshole in front of you sometime. Promote here. Believe her. Believe IN her.

Thanks.

>>9550297
>he actually thinks the UN is competent by any metric
Even WHO is awful.

99% of people working in sewage maintenance or rubbish collection are men.

The top ten most risky and life threatening jobs are overwhelmingly held by men.

How do we achieve gender equality?

>these pro-affirmative-action people have to be shitposting, right?

>>9549992
>only 30%
that's criminal, think of all the deserving men who got passed over.

>>9550038
If people are equal, which they are, you should expect an equal number of male and females (besides gays, POC and other minorities) in all fields.
Since we don't, this disparity can only be explained by external factors, such as racism, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia.

>>9550011
>Gender communism
I want /pol/ to leave. Identity politics are liberal bourgeois distractions from actual economic issues.

>>9550389
"People are equal" doesn't mean every field will have equal proportions of every discernible group of people interested in pursuing it.

>>9550405
Your conclusion doesn't follow your premise.

1. No
2. No

Men and Women have evolved our differences to fit different Niches for a reason. It's best not to force either into the other niche. People aren't equal. There are different traits between different groups of people, both physiologically and neurologically,

>>9550011
Also this, and a reminder why Communism is inherently incompatable with the Human species.

>>9550405
Fuck off commie.

>>9550389
>people are equal
>a few thousand years of geographical seperation doesn't cause adaptions
>let alone the fact there are literal retards

Collectivism is inherently futile because every individual varies, and certain individuals are predisposed by various factors such as evolutionary influinces onto the niches that cause gender roles in the first place.

>>9550440
This is exactly what I'm talking about: blatant racism to assert your sense of superiority and justify institutionalized oppression.

>>9550421
There are plenty of reasons why different groups of people would tend to have different interests. For example, how young boys are expected to play with legos and videogames more than girls, and consequently tend to have better spacial-reasoning skills, which helps in math and engineering.
And no, that isn't institutionalized misogyny.

>>9550436
>a reminder why Communism is inherently incompatable with the Human species.
...ignoring the thousands of years between the emergence of behavior modernity and the developments of agriculture and class society, of course. But communism wouldn't work today, modern technology like automation and the internet would make it much harder for a classless society to function, right?

>>9550439
Not an argument

>>9550443

>>9550446
>hunter-gatherers were classless
Wrong.

And would you like to return to the days where primal humans fought wars to steal women to rape? When most of the adult male population didn't pass on their genes? Where most childeren died off due to harsh natural selection?

>>9550443
>Racism
You imply I harbor malice towards an individual by default.
>sense of superiority
I lack one.
>institutionalized oppression
generally speaking Women and Minorities are now given preferrential treatment due to collectivists seeking nice looking statistics over merit, but this ignores the fact that the very real opression is that of collectivism against individuals.

>>9550447
made me giggle

>>9550446
>how young boys are expected to play with legos and videogames more than girls
But that is an external cause, and these are called gender roles, imposed by society to keep women from reaching their full potential thus preserving the patriarchal structure in place, which is a form of misogyny.

>>9550458
Gender roles existed before society, they were imposed by the way we evolved. It is in no way anti man nor anti woman to say that the two have different niches due to phisiological and neurological differences.

>>9549992
>>>/pol/
Mods clean up this trash please

>>9550457
>Wrong.
In an argument about communism I'm using the communist definition of class. I'm not talking about social status or division of labor, silly.

And could you explain why workers' ownership over the means of production invariably results in rape wars?

>>9550458
>But that is an external cause, and these are called gender roles, imposed by society to keep women from reaching their full potential thus preserving the patriarchal structure in place
How do gender rolls prevent women from reaching "their full potential?" There aren't a whole lot of people (in the West) that genuinely believe each and every woman should become a stay-at-home, child-bearing housewife.

>>9550471
>How do gender rolls prevent women from reaching "their full potential?"
It's in the OP. Try paying more attention next time.

>>9550460
>they were imposed by the way we evolved
The length people go to justify their hatred for women.

>>9550480
I should have specified. I meant modern gender rolls the way they are defined today, as intentional diversions from the "traditional" gender rolls inherited from our parents and grandparents.

>>9550481
can't tell if you're a troll or a brainlet

>>9550471
Workers aren't excluded from owning private property nor making themselves an entity for shared property, and without statist agression many worker-owned buisness models free from the constraint of regulation would be able to exist in the free market.

>>9549992
Considering there's like 50 gender, art woman massively over represented then?

>>9550488
>and without statist agression many worker-owned buisness models free from the constraint of regulation would be able to exist in the free market.
That's called market socialism, à la Richard Wolff and Proudhon. But I don't agree with them.
Even if every company was worker-owned, it would just be groups workers owning individual firms that compete with each other. The downward pressure on socially-necessary labor time, the production of goods for exchange, alienation, the law of value, practically all of Marx's critiques of capitalism would still apply in such an economy. I don't consider it genuine socialism unless all production is controlled by the working class as a whole desu.

>>9549992
fuck women

>>9550458
You are an incubator to produce and raise new humans, we are the ones who ensures the tribe exists thus you should remain a slave and we the men are the ones who innovate and produce progress.

wasn't it a lot lower than 30% within the past 20 years? "progress" doesn't just happen the instant you want it to.

>>9550389
"People are equal" only has merit under laws and rights. It's ludicrous to think we are actually equal to the bone. But the thing to be asked is if all groups of humans should experience the same distribution across all fields? https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html It's really not that surprising to find out that a sexually dimorphic species is going to have differences. That, in any way, doesn't mean we should adopt retarded policies thay segragate against some group, but we are not going to expect the same numbers, neither I belive these differences make a group "superior". Now, there's no one that can, without a shadow lf a doubt tell you, we are 100% product of nature/nuture or an exact percantge of both, but it seems the answer is not clear and we cannot just state that it all water down to fucking misoginy. In this case
>>9550481
That guy exposed it horribly, but if you view it through a biological lens, who on earth imposed the first gender roles? Society didn't sprung put of fucking nowhere, and there's massive amounts of evidenxe suggesting we evolved from other mamales/primates, and you cannot deny the archeological evidence suggesting that even our hunter-gatherer cousins had clear gender roles.

All this is, just because there's thus weird tumbleresc notion of equality without really any real reason for it. That means we should opress people or assume they will fail? No, just let them do the same fucking exam and see how we do. The thing is, I don't expect if it's 50/50 after all is right with this world, or maybe it is, but it's a completley irrelevant number that doesn't favour any hypothesis. What we could do is go and raise our childs all using legos, but I think we have observed differences in how they play at an early age too.

Also, if you think an edgy 15 year old /pol/tard
>>9550766
Is why women are insecure, well humanity is doomed if kids writting "nigger joos" has any impact.

>>9550405
>Identity politics are liberal bourgeois distractions from actual economic issues.
This desu

The day we get put in camps, liberals everywhere will march in the streets demanding more women guards.

>>9550440
Communism addresses this: from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

>>9551103
>In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!
FTFY brainlet

Science will solve all of this mess once it invents self replicating robots.

>>9549992
idpol belongs to >>>/pol/

>>9550497
I'm a voluntarist/Ancap so I'm vehemently opposed to violent redistribution of wealth, given the past of that in the 19th century, but we're going in more /his/ than /sci/ boundaries.

>>9551103
Communism is violent though. Capitalism is the most ethical way to determine heiarchy.

>>9551388
Does one give more equitable treatment to the different genders?

>>9551388
t. bootlicker

>>9552309
>wanting to be left alone makes me a bootlicker

>>9552309
He's right. Capitalism, for the most part, is a meritocracy. Rewarded are those who work hard, approximately. In reality, rewards go to those who provide the most valuable work, not the best, but there aren't many differences between the two. Capitalism puts a value on people's time and lets them exchange it for goods, doesn't get much simpler, and it's a far cry better than distributing wealth solely in ways that incentivise a lack of work. If you could get paid more for the same job because your needs are more, then people are self-consciously going to ensure that their needs are more. It's this instinctual selfishness that causes communism to fail and capitalism to succeed.

But ensure that you aren't getting crony capitalism mixed up with theoretical capitalism.

>>9549992
Ask Marie Curie-Sklodowska

>>9552365
>>wanting to be left alone makes me a bootlicker
>Implying you're left alone in capitalism
>implying you have any way of surviving without the help of a civilized society

You can't enforce property rights without force and violence brainlet. Capitalists countries have engaged in thousands of brutal wars and violent dictatorships. Capitalists won't even let nations try their own non-capitalists economic systems without violently overthrowing democratically elected leaders. You'd have to be a bootlicker to think capitalism isn't violent or forces people to things they don't want to do.

>>9552447
>for the most part, is a meritocracy.
No it isn't meritocratic in the slightest. Who you're parents are decided pretty much exactly where you're going to be in life. Plenty of studies have shown that those who were born rich stay rich and those that born poor and middle class just get poorer. You have to be a stupid asshole or living in a social democratic country with low income inequality to believe that shit. "Crony" capitalism doesn't exist. It's literally no different from saying that real communism hasn't been tried yet. What you see now is what capitalism looks like.

https://youtu.be/_RzLP4Z4UJQ?t=2m40s

>>9550389
For women it's explained by different career preferences. For minorities it's explained by different IQ levels. Next question brainlette.

>>9550389
>this disparity can only be explained by racism, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia.
Women are over-represented in health sciences, is that because of misandry?

>>9549992
>Will we ever achieve gender equality in science?
Probably not since free will exists
>What can we as individuals do to make this a reality?
What we've been doing has actually been a detriment to science since we've been promoting women who are not qualified into courses and majors they're unqualified for into fields and jobs they're unqualified for and not firing them simply to keep numbers up.

Every measure to raise numbers artificially is just going to hinder science. I remember way before the push for women into STEM women who were actually into it were great at it and not backwards thots who thought a lab coat made them look cute,

>>9552475
This isn't the 10th century, I'm not going to become a blacksmith because that's what my father does. I know there are studies countering your point on "the rich stay rich", the turnover rate of the 1% is surprisingly high. The poor stay poor because muh bell curve. But it's a question of ethics as to whether you let people inherit the money from their parents. Wanting the best for your children is instinct, so it only stands to reason that having your children inherit your fortune when you die incentivises hard work. We live in an era when anybody born in a modern country can enter a university on a loan and get the qualifications they need/want to start making money, and that's disregarding all the scholarships out there. We're not stuck in some system where poor people can only get jobs that pay badly. If there's anything unequal about inheritance, I'd say your intelligence and genes matter more than any money. Removing the plutocrats who contribute nothing to society and haven't earned a cent, feeding their money back to those who need it better isn't a bad idea, but in reality it doesn't make much difference since this number of people is fairly small. The majority of those who could be considered wealthy have earned it themselves, sometimes with the help of a small loan of a million dollars.

Personally I think that a society where family doesn't exist and all children are brought up under equal circumstances by (robot) parents would be an interesting experiment, if not a possible ideal scenario, since the inheritance effect on work ethic probably isn't too major. Possible issues include lack of diversity of thought, child indoctrination, and rebellion.

>>9552447
>In reality, rewards go to those who provide the most valuable work, not the best
>reality
In capitalism, however, rewards go to the guy who owns the infrastructure that the other guy uses to do the most valuable work, while the guy doing the work himself receives a small fraction of what he produces.
Capitalists do not make their money by working, they make it by owning. Ownership is not a socially useful step in producing something. It's merely an exclusive claim on some productive property, backed by organized violence of the state. All it does is enable a small minority to heavily tax the work of others without producing anything themselves

>But ensure that you aren't getting crony capitalism mixed up with theoretical capitalism.
Econ 101 is basically "people respond to incentives." Rent-seeking and suppressing your competitors through government cronyism are incentivized, so guess what happens? Subverting competitors and artificially meddling in product, resource, labor and capital markets is the daily bread of business strategy, my dude. We see every business that lacks access to a state apparatus - to defend its property rights, favorably distort the market, and advantage it over its competitors - effectively makes its own and sends around organized thugs to defend its interests. Drug gangs are an example. Is this because drugs are scary and illegal and so inherently violent? No, it's because undermining your competition through means besides the "free market" is pretty consistently incentivized. The modern state is merely a more efficient alternative, which is why we got things like world wars instead of AK-toting, balaclava-clad General Motors goons in pickup trucks.

>>9552584
No statically you're going to have a worse life then your parents. IQ has also been rising steadily. While income inequality continues to grow. All someone needs as one smart very very lucky relative to set themselves up for life.

>Personally I think that a society where family doesn't exist and all children are brought up under equal circumstances by (robot) parents would be an interesting experiment, if not a possible ideal scenario, since the inheritance effect on work ethic probably isn't too major. Possible issues include lack of diversity of thought, child indoctrination, and rebellion.
It's something anti-capitalists support because it's the only way to achieve meritocracy.

>>9552460
>Crony Capitalism

when will you commies learn that if your "not real communism" argument is valid than so are Ancaps Crony Capitalism argument? True Capitalism is in no way inherently violent, and is entirely voluntarist. If a bunch of commies want to go live n a commune voluntarily than I say let them. There are even private communes that exist within the US, which is a very cronyist state.

>>9552683
Pray tell, has this 'true capitalism' ever existes or even been attempted? How is your botched fantasy relevant to the situation at hand, where you have huge empires built on exploitation, built on militarized police and foreign interventions?

>>9549992
we have equality. Hence the inequality of outcome.

>>9552705
Tó clarify: True communism has been attempted numerous times and it came close tó be implemented 100years ago. It just failed because the revolution was relentlesly attacked by the most powerful empire in history. Reminder that the ussr was 90% peasant in 1917.

>>9549992
Equality of outcome is not the same as equality of opportunity. Women in the west are not being excluded or discouraged from Science. The only discrimination they have is in their favour with affirmative action quotas. Women tend to be drawn to people oriented fields. They choose not to go into STEM. There is no way to enforce equality of outcome without forcing discrimination or stomping on free will. It is okay for fields not to have gender parity.

>>9552683
>the soviet union called itself communist and was bad, and so everything calling itself communist is bad, regardless of what communism "is." any attempts to clarify or demarcate what we mean by "communism," or rationally assess the social driving forces of history and the failures of mass social movements, must be vigorously and uncritically resisted
>humans respond to incentives. the incentives to create a state to engage in violence are persistently present in the normal functioning of markets, and so we reasonably expect to observe this.
I can't tell these two apart! It's like I'm seeing double!

>>9552683
>when will you commies learn that if your "not real communism" argument is valid than so are Ancaps Crony Capitalism argument?
I'm not a commie sorry to break it to you. Communism and Capitalism are both trash. Thats been proven time and time again.

>>9550297
At least the blue haired tumblr feminist knows what they are, the UN is the biggest joke of the modern world

>>9550389
>if people are equal
>which they are
You need to be over 18 to post here

>>9552727
Yet every time capitalism falls apart, it eventually manages to rebuild itself. When communism shits the bed, the system is permanently fuxx0red.

>>9552732
What was nazism?

>>9552727
of course the radical centrist would be here on /sci/

>>9552722
Communism isn't bad because of who called themselves communists, but because equality is the opposite of human nature.

>>9552705
True Capitalism has sadly not been as popular an idea and so no, it has not been tried, but saying capitalists invade foreign countries and exploit people is a stretch. Anything enforced by the state is inherently violent, and thus anti-capitalistic.

>>9552736
The solution is clear - if knowledge of math is considered a masculine or male quality, then women should be butch lesbians when they study math, in theory. Think about it. Also the Nazis tolerated lesbians.

Mods, can you please move this thread to >>>/his/

>>9552740
>of course the radical centrist would be here on /sci/
Centralists support capitalism. I'm not a centrist. I didn't say I supported moderate capitalism. I don't support any price based based system. So no capitalism or communism or mutualism or syndicalism either.

>>9552740
>human Nature
Sorry that doesnt exist. Next argument?

>>9552748
Centrism is Socialism.

>>9552740
>Communism isn't bad because of who called themselves communists, but because equality is the opposite of human nature.
Humans are pack animals with tight tribal and family bonds. Capitalism is not compatible with human nature.

>>9552753
>Centrism is Socialism.
No it isn't are you retarded? I said no price systems so socialism is obviously off the table.

>>9552740
>Communism isn't bad because of who called themselves communists, but because equality is the opposite of human nature.
The equivocation fallacy is not an argument
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
Lenin refuted this "argument" a hundred years ago

They should rename this board to science, math and politics

>>9552773
>>9552743
Marxism, specifically diamat, is a Science. Read Althusser.

>>9550405
>scientific socialism

>>9552775
>Marxism, specifically diamat, is a Science
>>9552778

>>9552775
>ideology is science

>>9552780
No, it is a philosophial approach to history?

>>9549992
>What can we as individuals do to make this a reality?
Women should study science more, maybe?

t. woman on IT and maths

30% isn't a bad number in term of equality. It's even pretty good considering the biological differences between men and women

>>9550060
>anything will go faster with more women.
Thanks for the laugh friend

>>9549992
We already have equality of opportunity for women in science. Forcing equality of outcome is not what women want.

>>9552922
>We already have equality of opportunity for women in science
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

>>9552806
Traps are not wome.
>>9553192
There are nore all female unis in the united stated than all male. Women get accepted at higher ratea and are outperforming males in school (HS).

>>9553192
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Not an extraordinary claim if you aren't a brainwash femtard.

>>9549992
If you're a woman not in STEM, change your gender.
If you're a man in STEM, change your gender.

>>9549992
Who's stopping women from entering STEM?

>>9551383
>>9551388
Capitalism too is inherently violent, as there is no way to protect private property without the use of force. And from a socialist point of view, the passive profit made from owning a workplace is state-sanctioned theft from the workers.

As for the point about hierarchy, I think we can agree that money is power under capitalism. This means society gives power to those who can develop one specific skill: making as much money as possible. Of course you're going to have people like Elon Musk who made their money by making genuinely positive contributions to society, but for every Elon you have a dozen people like Don Blankenship, Fred C. Koch, Martin Shkreli, Jordan Belfort, etc.

Without the yoke of capital, individuals could only rise in status and power by contributing to the well being of their communities and to society as a whole.The most influential members of society would necessarily be the people whose efforts have done the most to build a better world for themselves, their families, and the world.

>>9552800
>>9552778
>Sociology isn't a science
>Economics isn't' a science
>Ideology can't be studied
wew
Is OP still here? I genuinely want to see some bourgie feminist rebuttals.

>>9550405
>Identity politics are liberal bourgeois distractions from actual economic issues.
>>9551100
this is not the case. we can look to canada and see that gender politics is grounds for increased government authority. eg, social justice tribunal and the human rights court

do not fall for the "just ignore it lol" propaganda

>>9553569
>social justice tribunal and the human rights court
Sounds like just a more elaborate form of distraction from actual economic issues desu

>>9553204
Only in certain subjects. They're still pushed away from most STEM majors.

>>9553314
Men and societal expectations.

>>9552475
>Plenty of studies have shown that those who were born rich stay rich and those that born poor and middle class just get poorer.
Link some of those studies

>>9553613
How so? Are there a lot of men who are just hostile to the thought of women in science or something?

>>9553608
Pushed away by family/tradition, nothing to do about that

It’s quite the opposite by every other metric, however. Way more opportunities for females in stem and no bias against them by academic institutions

At this point if a female doesn’t want to do stem it’s their problem, there’s no getting rid of the kind of sexism already “”keeping women out of stem””

>>9553608
By who? You can't confirm a priori postulates based on something that has not been controlled for other possibilites. In a lot of first world countries wich are progressive and meet a lot of feminist criteria that should controll for those variables still have asymetric percentages, example, Norway. Maybe the U.S. isn't perfect, but there's no hard systematic limitation on women choosing their carreer path.

>communism doesn't work
>what is China

>>9553608
>pushed away
How? Their applications are evaluated in the same way, they take the same exams, and their exams are marked in the same way. There's no institutional or systemic advantage that men have.
Plus every university is eager to get more women in STEM because that earns them progressivism points, and it could reflect negatively on them if they don't, when legions of people take any unequal representation to be de facto evidence of inequity even when there's not a single example of inequity to be found. Furthermore, most REUs and similar opportunities reserve half of their spots for women and minorities, giving them special consideration over everyone else for exactly this reason.
The systemic preferences which do exist are all strongly in favor of women, and still not enough are interested for us to have gender parity. "Equality in STEM" today mostly just means "make access to STEM opportunities even more unequal."

>>9553661
>what is China
A neoliberal paradise where the Chinese Communist Party is the guardian angel of Chinese capitalism and reliably crushes the workers whenever they try to organize?

>>9553648
Microaggressions. Girls grow up being told females are bad at math and science. Look no further than this thread for examples of this.

>>9553661
This might be a No True Scotsman argument but China isn't really communist. It's some weird commie-capitalist ethno state hybrid.

>>9553627
Not him but wow you’re retarded. Just by virtue of how banks, investments, and education works proves that statement; so basically you have to be older than 16 years old to understand which might explain why you can’t see something this obvious..

The wealth gap has always been widening at a dramatic rate for all of modern history, jesus fuck you are retarded dear lord

The best source is a source of sources aka https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States

There are countless other ones if you want me to do your fucking homework for you like
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58b70e09db29d6424bcc74fc/t/59263d05c534a59e6984a5fd/1495678214676/reardon+whither+opportunity+-+chapter+5.pdf
And
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.459.6994&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Which all boil down to “the more wealth you have the faster the rate you can obtain more of it, therefore the wealth gap is inherently ever widening”

>>9553661
Listen I’m a huge commie but China is not communist, it’s state capitalist

Communism has never been reached and never will be, sorry to trigger u brainlet

>>9553674
Most of that is recent and much of it window dressing. Why did the percentage of CS graduates that are women plunge so much in the late 20th and ear!y 21st centuries? The most likely culprit is parents giving boys computers while shooing girls away to play with what their parents believed were appropriate toys for girls. These boys grew up to believe computers were their exclusive domain and reacted negatively when women tried to enter that space.

>>9553674
China is communist you dumb nigger, market economics isn't an exclusively capitalist creation

>>9553661
>"""""communism"""""

>>9553706
>china is communist
>means of production are commonly owned in china
kek

>>9553693
>families are sexist
correct. however you're pretending like this is the 90s. everyone has a computer now. this is not stopping women from getting stem educations

>>9549992
ste (((A))) m

>>9553661
>>9553674
>>9553679
>>9553691
What if China's communist party is using capitalism just as a means to develop the infrastructure and productive forces necessary to build actual socialism, like Lenin's NEP but on 40 kilos of crack?

It's genius. They may seem like any other capitalist oligarchy, but they're actually left-accelerationist 7th-dimentional chess grandmasters.

>>9552490
you mean nursery and biology, they are evenly represented in medicine

>>9553687
Capital naturally accumulates faster than it decentralizes. Marx proved this from first principles 150 years ago, and it's been empirically confirmed time and time again since then.
Same with the LTV and falling rate of profit

>>9553693
Absolutely ridiculous. If you were born in the nineties or later, almost every family had a computer. With the internet especially, it's never been easier to explore your interests and to learn something you're interested in. If you had any hint of passion in a subject, you'd have discovered it, and you'd have pursued it. How come the people who go to tip flight graduate schools in math are comfortable with analysis, algebra and topology coming right out of high school? Oh, must be because their parents told them to. Their parents who, statistically, never even learned calculus, and don't know what real math is. Kek
Also it's so obvious that it barely needs mentioning, but "got a computer as a kid" has almost nothing to do with "being encouraged towards CS."
All you're really saying is "women are interested in the wrong things, because their parents raised them wrong." But interests are highly mutable and self-determined - I was consistently pushed toward the humanities by my parents, but now I'm doing chemistry, because reading erowid as a teenager showed me I really want to be a synthetic chemist. There's a certain absurdity in accepting that kids at 14 are mature enough to choose their own classes and be responsible for learning the material and performing in those classes in a way that will affect their entire college trajectory, while also claiming that we cannot determine ourselves or escape the "interests" chosen for us by our parents.

>>9553730
You'd have to look at the class structure of chinese society, and whether the CCP oligarchs and foreign investors will "give everything back" when "the time is right," or whether they constitute a new class in fundamental opposition to the chinese proletariat.

>>9550389
You know, I had a counter point typed up, but if you're operating so deep in the framework of human equality that you present it as an absolute statement and cannot even conceptualize that some people are simply more adept at intellectual pursuits than others, then there is no point in debate with you. In fact, I would be rather surprised if you weren't a troll.

>>9550037
this lol especially if were including equality meme countries in africa and asia

>>9549992
Can any of you imagine how fucking terrible the world would be if those fucking whores had a larger part involved in STEM? Holy fucking shit, you think things are bad now. Try getting funding for cancer research when there's 1,000s of grants pouring money into feminist studies. Jesus fucking Christ what an absolute fucking nightmare.

>>9553577
if by "elaborate form of distraction" you mean "gross violation of civil liberties at the legislative and judicial level" yeah i guess so

>>9553613
do you have any evidence to support that claim?

>>9553831
I'm not saying it's not important, I just think this rabid fixation on identity politics is an inherent part of capitalist ideology. Instead of pursuing their economic self-interest, the prevailing ideology has the workers align themselves with their race, gender, etc, and advocate for the interests of their in-group rather than their actual, material interests. Anything that divides the working class along identitarian lines preserves capitalism and class society.

All I'm saying is being invested in identity politics outside of class analysis as a means to make any real political change is misguided. That doesn't mean you should do nothing when liberals try to push their idpol garbage. By all means, shoot that shit down.

>>9550389
>If people are equal, which they are
Why isnt every genome on earth the exact same if humans are all equal?

>>9553716
>means of production is the only criteria for being communist

Ignoring:
>govt. controlled enterprises
>comunally owned lands
>no elections


Hey retard maybe you gotta brush up on basics of communism again

>>9553936
it's the literal definition of communism dumbfuck.
>govt. controlled enterprises
>comunally owned lands
>no elections
not criteria for communism dumbass, those are theoretical byproducts of the means of production being commonly controlled

oh wow there's no elections in a monarchy, and govt controlled enterprises therefore it's communist DURRRRRRRRRRR

china is not communist by any standards

>>9553936
>having enterprises is communist
>communism means no elections
Please go on, tell us more about the basics of communism like paying everyone the exact same amount and collectivizing toothbrushes.

>>9553936
not that anon but china is only communist in a de jure sense, as the currently ruling party is the "communist party of china". but that's tantamount to calling north korea a democracy because the ruling party is called the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea "

>>9553687
If you're so smart you could link those studies you've mentioned, preferably ones that don't focus entirely with third world shitholes (like America)

>>9554001
ok.. i can't believe someone is this retarded but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth#Data_about_global_distribution_of_wealth

multiple citations on this page proving the wealth gap widening rapidly. if you want me to spoonfeed you though because your mouse doesn't have a scroll wheel to the citations just ask little babby

otherwise educate yourself

>>9550497
>Working class as a whole
aka bureucrats. That's worse. You sir, are advocating for something worse. There is no such thing as "the working class as a whole" because there is simply no way that a group of people that spans across the entire planet can make decisions like it is one unified group, and even if they could, the sheer amount of bureucracy needed to enforce their decisions would make the "sistem" prone to corruption in a global scale. Are you mentally challenged? Tell me, so i can simply dismiss your opinion and applaud you for making one, even if it is wrong.

>>9553834
Every introduction to Gender Studies course covers this.

>>9551106
>Repeating a chant is the opposite of being a brainlet
You have to be over 18 to post on 4chan.

>>9552309
>bootlicker
>You have to supported my corrupt sistem that has been proven wrong over and over with the lives of millions of innocents or you are a [INSERT HIGH SCHOOL FIRST INSULT]
Literally kys

>>9549992
>What can we as individuals do
Don't be a dick.

What does communism vs capitalism have to do with increasing the proportion of scientists who are women?

>>9554070
your moms means of production are commonly owned aka shes a slut

why don't you all fucks itt fuck off to >>>/pol/ ?

>>9552475
>those who were born rich stay rich and those that born poor and middle class just get poorer
This is only true if you raise your sons to be retarded. The only reason this happens is because rich people teaches their kids to be good at managing their economy. There is a reason why there is a lot of families that are rich since centuries ago and those who win a fuckload of money from the lottery get back to being poor overnight. Rich and poor means nothing for those who know how and when to invest.

>>9554076
>This is only true if you raise your sons to be retarded
>rich and poor means nothing for those who know how and when to invest

>everyone is their own perfect agent the situation they are in is the result of their own incompetence
congrats you just made the "libertarian free will argument". do you believe psychology is entirely pseudoscience as well? if so, you are forever trapped in a circle jerk that you will never get out of. i feel sorry for you

also
>everyone can be rich if they pull themselves up by their bootstraps!
pol was a mistake

>>9553877
Oh, you're an obsessed ideologue.

>>9552584
>Personally I think that a society where family doesn't exist and all children are brought up under equal circumstances by (robot) parents would be an interesting experiment, if not a possible ideal scenario, since the inheritance effect on work ethic probably isn't too major
Literally brave new world. The high class would create people that would just accept everything they tell them and rule without any constrain.

>>9554096
im not him but you must be illiterate if that's all you got from what he said

he's literally just saying that the true divide in a nation is between the wealthy and the poor. everything else is just fabricated to obfuscate that fact

brainlets will disagree but hey they're brainlets for a reason

>>9552664
>meritocracy
>A ruling class with the ability to create humans that think the way they want is meritocracy
kys faggot

>>9554100
what he's saying is he can only view things from the lens of class-consciousness and capitalist villainy. which is to say he's an obsessed and closed minded ideologue

>>9554107
maybe ur right but i didn't get that, from him especially
>That doesn't mean you should do nothing when liberals try to push their idpol garbage. By all means, shoot that shit down.
the idea is to try to transcend above all the arbitrary division that keeps us distracted from the unequivocal true divide aka class divide

>>9552722
>Every communist revolution had one thing in common
>Slaughter, disease and famine and corruption
>Retarded high school commies still argue about what had to happen AFTER all that for the revolution to be called communist even though every revolutionary leader communicated with each other and the communist "intellectuals" who decide what is and isn't communism supported them.
Commies are criminally retarded

>>9554113
read his other posts. that's the only angle he approaches the issue
>keeps us distracted from the unequivocal true divide aka class divide
oh, you're one in the same

>>9553679
>China isn't really communist
Now, after 50 years of slowly shifting towards capitalism. And it is getting better everyday.
How does it feel to know that the standard of living is increasing every years since they started letting go of communism?

Why do we need or want this?
Does society gain anything other than smug self-satisfaction?
If women want to work those jobs, they should work hard and go for it. If they don't want to, that's okay. Who are we to push them into it?
Maybe most women think science is boring. No one ever considers that.

>>9554139
the pursuit of this goal is pure ideology. it has no basis besides giving some people some twisted psychological satisfaction, tho they claim pursuit of goals like this one will remove suffering from the world. after all, so they claim, the source of all suffering is inequality (however they choose to define that at the time)

>>9551103
>from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
This sounds like a very dystopian society where the retards and fucked up people with lots of needs end up hogging all the resources while people who can contribute are left slaving away getting by with the scraps

>>9554070

>>9554085
>>everyone is their own perfect agent the situation they are in is the result of their own incompetence
Don't put words in my mouth. Knowing when and how to invest is not having 100% chance of succeeding, every time you make a decision. Is having better understanding of how the market works and be able to profit from it.
Tell me, who has better chance of not ending a poorfag

>Guy who grew up every day seeing his father investing and taking time to study and improve himself
or
>Guy who grew up seeing his father watch football all day and drink beer

Both fathers can be of any class because there is a point where you, as a young man, start to see that successful people don't have the same habits that unsuccesful people. And you start to act on it, and when you have children you teach them that. And the cycle goes on, until one of your children doesn't listen to you, and the virtuous cycle becomes vicious.

Commies always go after the family, yet the richest persons alive are part of the richests families. No person has gone far in life without a supporting family. The rich, the really rich, like Soros and Rothschild, or Kuhn and Goldman, understand this, and act on it.

This is really stupid. If women wanted to be in the field of science, they would be. Forcing women to be involved in science when most don’t want to is twisted and selfish.

>>9554125
>How does it feel to know that the standard of living is increasing every years since they started letting go of communism?
>started letting go of communism
kek. not even close, kid. after countless failures, they've started taking the traditional approach by going through socialism first.

the means of production were never commonly owned at any point in china

>>9554167
>the means of production were never commonly owned at any point in china
The grorious leader was the voice of the commons, he channeled the will of the people in order the face the tiranny of the west. Only through he could the people of China be truly free.
At least that's how commies justified the slaughter that was going on back then.

Go back to school, kid, and stay there.

>>9554167
>communism is such a fickle and frail ideology, that every conceivable attempt at implementing it failed in the womb and the shockwaves of such failure led to wanton death and destruction
commies. not even once

>>9554154
>Don't put words in my mouth. Knowing when and how to invest is not having 100% chance of succeeding, every time you make a decision. Is having better understanding of how the market works and be able to profit from it.
>Tell me, who has better chance of not ending a poorfag
>dont put words in my mouth
you literally, again, just gave the libertarian free will argument

also that's a retarded argument against it, as if alcoholism isn't more common among the lower class. by every metric you are wrong, because even if you were right -- to simplify this for a brainlet: if i live in a country with 99 other people and i own 99% of the wealth. the other 99 people have to share 1% of the wealth. further, by virtue of owning 99% of the wealth, it is much easier for me to use that to increase my capital at a faster rate. this is what is unequivocally happening around the world. not everyone can be rich, not even close, and this should be obvious

also again the libertarian free will argument is completely brain-dead and im sorry but i'm blocking this thread. it's impossible to argue against brainlets like you, because no matter what I say you can just reply with "yes, but they can just not do that thing"

it's dumb and not worth my time. see ya

>>9554175
im not a commie, also that was entirely non sequitur to anything i said aka the means of production were never commonly owned in china

>>9554176
uh, you're retarded? that's not the argument. i'm not a communist. i wholly agree that the transition state will NEVER relinquish power, aka communism will never happen and will always result in genocide.

>>9554179
not a single argument to be found.
go preach your ideology somewhere else, cult boy

>>9554029
I asked for studies that don't involve third world shitholes and you link me back to a wiki page about global distribution, which is mostly third world shitholes and many of them aren't even capitalist anyway.

>>9549992
https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-arent-there-more-women-in-science-and-technology-1519918657

>>9554085
>>9554179
I just wanted to point out that you don't understand what libertarian free will means

>>9554031
>aka bureucrats.
aka people who work for the government and are selected by elected representatives. Social issues are up for debate, but in the economic realm workers generally want the same things: the most fulfilling work in the best conditions possible, reasonable and flexible hours, and to enjoy the fruits of their labor in their entirety. If there is a governing body, of course there are going to be bureaucrats, people who work for it. But without capital, the bureaucrats and the administration they work for would have no function or choice other than to pursue workers' interests.

>the sheer amount of bureucracy needed to enforce their decisions would make the "sistem" prone to corruption in a global scale.
No country can perfectly enforce 100% of its rules, but the bigger the country, the more resources and manpower it has at its disposal to do so.

And I don't see why a large-scale democracy would be necessarily prone to corruption. Not to mention that in the absence of capital, political corruption would have to be much different than it is now, and most likely less harmful.

>Are you mentally challenged? Tell me, so i can simply dismiss your opinion and applaud you for making one, even if it is wrong.
You seem a little upset, friend. I know I'm writing a lot and may have used some unfamiliar terms in my previous posts, so if you need me to elaborate on any of my points just ask.

>>9554107
>>9554120
>what is DiaMat
>not being an idealist means you're close-minded
> economics < feels
Okay

>>9554193
Lol he called it at the start of the argument

I feel sorry for you too, too wrapped up in the autism of perfect agency

Make their life harder. No, seriously.

Give them all of the societal expectations we have of men and boys.

>>9554204
.. no I didn’t .. you didn’t even look at the studies

Also you called America a “third world shithole” so that really shows how retarded you are

See ya dumbass blocking thread

>>9554230
You clearly don’t; saying that people in general can rise above their circumstances/environment is literally libertarian free will. How big of a brainlet are you? See ya faggot blocked thread

>>9554230
Not that anon but wow you’re dumb

>Libertarian freedom is, therefore, the freedom to act contrary to one's nature, predisposition and greatest desires. Responsibility, in this view, always means that one could have done otherwise.
That’s the exact argument the other guy is making

>>9549992
>177 posts for the bait thread
god damn i hate this place

>>9554446
That's the shittiest definition of libertarian free will I've ever seen, you're pretty dumb for quoting it.

>>9554441
To be honest, most women would absolutely crumble. Little girls would adapt rather quickly but anyone over the age of 5 would be fucked so badly.

>>9554442
>you didn’t even look at the studies
What studies? You kept redirecting me to the same wiki page?
>>america isn't a shithole you retard
Then why have you spent the entire thread proclaiming it a shithole?

>>9553936
>govt. controlled enterprises
>no elections
Isn't this fascism?

>>9554428
Is this a boy?

>>9554179
This is blatantly false as present wealth was created from scratch, and any future wealth will be created in the same way. Only a retarded commie could think that it is some constant in every society that should be distributed equally. Almost every product and market that we use every day was non existent 500 years ago, every one of them was created by men who wanted to fullfill their own desires and necessities.

>>9549992

we've long since moved way beyond equality (for women) in education

what the fuck are we supposed to do if they clog up all the universities and then dont wanna work?

>>9554428
>Trusting bureaucrats
>Thinking bureaucrats are efficient and trustworthy
>Believing people in the government are chosen by their abilities and not because they have the connections
>Believing that a state with total and absolute control of the means of production(aka the land), after slaughtering every 'burgoise' and enemy of the party would get accountable for it's actions
Go back to school, kid.

>>9554461
He sent you two studies, and two separate wiki pages (each with dozens of studies) unequivocally proving that there's a widening wealth gap across the globe. This proves you didn't even bother looking, because you're such a dumb fucking retard that you ask for evidence in spite of the fact that you would never accept it. The other option is that you're too brainlet to understand it, either way that's your issue

>Then why have you spent the entire thread proclaiming it a shithole?
Nice deflection? He didn't say America wasn't a shithole there, he said it wasn't a third-world country because you said it was, because it literally isn't.

Go back to /pol/

>>9554632
>present wealth was created from scratch, and any future wealth will be created in the same way
yes, and? this somehow means there isn't a widening wealth gap?

>Only a retarded commie could think that it is some constant in every society that should be distributed equally
not communist, nor did I ever say that wealth should be distributed equally. try again

>Only a retarded commie could think that it is some constant in every society that should be distributed equally
ok?

>>9554632
>>9554664
>Almost every product and market that we use every day was non existent 500 years ago, every one of them was created by men who wanted to fullfill their own desires and necessities.
ok?* misgreentexted that last part

and to clarify, most of what you said had nothing to do with what I said. Unless you seem to think that wealth can be infinitely generated without inflation, and that everyone can be rich? If that's what you think.. how could you be so monumentally stupid?

>>9553535
>Sociology isn't a science
>Economics isn't' a science
>Ideology can't be studied

>This is what a modern commie thinks "scientific socialism" means
Not surprised to see that commies don't know shit about their outdated ideology

Even socialism with Chinese characteristics makes more sense than these free market ancaps.

There has never been an ancap superpower, all major powers in the world employed protectionism at some point

>>9554649
>still wallowing in the discourse of bourgeois government
>implying corruption means anything when not tied to capital
>implying "connections" mean anything when not tied to capital
>implying slaughtering a sizable portion of your potential workforce that could be providing resources and manpower to protect the revolution is what winners do
>implying capitalist states are ever held accountable for their acts of violence against political dissidents or workers' attempts to organize

>>9554551
>Is this a boy?
No, but I'm not 100% sure.

>>9554703
"Scientific" socialism originally was used to distinguish itself from the utopian socialists like Fourier or Owen. It's based on the idea that a government's legitimacy comes from reason alone. But scientific socialism also refers to Marx's theory in general, which were formed based on empirical observations of the capitalist mode of production, and as such are inextricably linked to the social sciences of sociology and economics.

>>9553661
A totalitarian shithole

>>9550389
>people are equal

>>9550389
If people were equal we would have one gender, the two genders give humans different traits(hence why women are physically different than men, which includes brain, and muscle characteristics)
We don't live in an equal world

>>9549992
As a female biologist,

We're doing pretty good, also in chemistry. I guess women need up their physics and computer science.

>>9549992
Are you sure that it isn't just that not many woman are into science?

>>9554845
Women will like what I tell them to like.

>>9553730
>left-accelerationist 7th-dimentional chess grandmasters
kek

>>9554835
When will you help balance the scales in biology and computer science by switching careers from the former to the latter?

>>9554660
You morons shifted the goalposts from "class membership is stationary, rich get richer poor get poorer" to "the income gap widens year on year globally".

This is because class membership is not stationary and never has been in capitalist societies. It is well documented that people move up and down the wealth hierarchy within single generations, let alone across multiple. Some of the most noteworthy American nobility rose from absolute poverty.

A society where everyone is a subsistence farmer (has 0 monetary income) has literally zero wealth gap yet is an abject shithole by definition. Learn some statistics and gtfo out of /sci/ and back to /pol/.

>>9554897 (me)

Here's a followup question for innumerate commies:

What happens to the global income distribution if 99% of the nations become fabulously wealthy, and the 1% Marxist-Leninist ones slide further into misery? Does the gap get wider or smaller?

Why has obesity become more prevalent than malnutrition, but the global income gap has widened?

>>9554904
Why has this thread come one of economics instead of one of gender equality?

>>9554929
Commies ruin everything.

There is no 'gender gap' in STEM, men and women follow their hearts.

>>9549992
The best "girls" in STEM are transgender traps with feminine penis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0nYB2x7jcU

>>9549992
If nurses are included in STEM (=STEMN) then there would be no gender gap.

Or perhaps even there would be more woman than men since there are so many nurses out there.

>>9554953

Honestly I can see a future where nursing officially becomes a part of STEM simply because the increased service of prosthetics and integrated computing in medicine gets to the point where it's just IT profession in disguise.

>>9554965
without taking any hard math, physics & chemistry courses.

>>9554965

Nursing is to BioMedE as WebDesign is to EE

>>9554043
>Repeating a chant
Huh?
The quote means the diametric opposite of how it was used above, and what it is popularly used to mean.
You realize these things when you look at the context, such as *the rest of the sentence it's from.*

>>9549992
Who gives a fuck? Can we ever achieve gender equality in penis size? Anybody care? Nope?

>>9550249
27 andover dr. neshanic station nj 08853

>>9554939
Looking at pic from >>9554637, why have men and women changed their hearts so much in such a short span of time?

>>9555070
Lobbying..

Why does Pakistan have more female scientists by proportion than the US despite being deeply sexist?

>>9555090
Which means more lobbying for equality in science will get us closer to the goal.

it's pretty sad to see this board succumb to a meme as big as the gender wage gap. brown /pol/niggers have truly infested every board here.

>>9554929
are there any pics of her hairy armpits?

>>9555118
This thread is about the gender employment gap in science. The wage gap is pure /pol/ material and not discussed here.

>>9554949
Here's your (You)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQngg8iQipk

>>9550389
people arent equal, aint u ever seen code geass
?

>>9555240
>code gay-ass
Nice try, bub

>>9549992
30% is much too high already

>>9554660
>multiple citations on this page proving the wealth gap widening rapidly.
But that's not the same as
>those who were born rich stay rich and those that born poor and middle class just get poorer.
Please be more self-important as you make a complete fool out of yourself
>inb4 he's so retarded he actually needs to be explained the difference

>>9555105
Why does Pakistan have more female scientists proportionately than the USA, when Pakistan is practically the sexism capital (and inbreeding capital, for that matter) of the world?

>>9555278
Like I said, commies can't into statistics. Too much math, not enough resentiment.

>>9554660
>unequivocally proving that there's a widening wealth gap across the globe
No you sent one wiki page about America (you live in a third world shithole, deal with it) and one about all the countries in the world averaged out I don't need to repeat myself here, you can go back and read for yourself again why that's misleading. I wonder why you can't link to a wiki page about first world developed nations, probably because that's not really a thing here and it's something only corrupt third world shitholes have in common.
You're accusing me of goalpost shifting and deflection when I'm going along with you even though this widening gap thing is a goalpost shift and deflection from the original claim for which i first asked evidence.

>>9552487
>For minorities it's explained by different IQ levels.
Proof?

>>9550250
Yeah...?

>>9555216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfgUAySjQKc

>>9554428
>meme texting to concede
fine

>>9554435
>pretending to be someone else
i'm not a libertarian

>>9555070
more economic and political freedoms to alleviate the social burdens pushing people into areas they don't want to go
wait is that the wrong answer? i mean sexism and cis-hetero patriarchy

>>9550389
How about we
1)Gas all the Kikes
2)Lynch all the Niggers
3)Electrocute all the Fags
4)Rape all the Women
5)Bomb all the Muslims

>>9555307
>America is a third world shithole
Not him, but how do you expect to be taken seriously when you say something so patently absurd that it comes across as a joke until you reassert it? Let alone the obvious special pleading.
>let's define every country where what you claim is true to be a third world shithole, and so your claim is false

>>9555609
>t. bootyblasted amerimutt

>>9555609
the usa really is a shit hole, dude

doesn't mean we can't break into upper middle class and live well but don't live in denial about it or you may do something stupid like wonder into the wrong neighborhood and get blacked

>>9552497
>free will exists
underage

>>9555353
Google it you mong.
Jewish IQ > Asian IQ > White IQ > Hispanic IQ > Black IQ
Some of it is environmental, some of it is genetic.

>>9555817
>>9556579
>sure there's a widening wealth gap and persistent poverty in the US amid unprecedented prosperity and technological advancement, but this doesn't prove your point, because the US is shitty
??

>>9556579
Detroit is a shithole & nigger ghetto, just like Haiti & most of Africa.

But Massachusetts is a 1st world US state, wealthy & civilized as Switzerland & Denmark.

>>9554976
>>9554981
If you get /fit/ nurses get a shiton of puss though

T.Nursr Discord friend told me so

>>9557079
>American mong standard of using Hispanic as a cohesive group
Why don’t Americans just acknowledge those Mexican types as mestizos or amerindians instead of lumping anyone from a Spanish speaking country as a pseudo race

>>9553723
The paper maché vagina will go real well besides the Curiosity rover and the CERN supercollider.

>>9557318
Exactly, because apparently this isn't happening in non-shitty countries, besides that's not even the original point...

What if women would rather be nurses than lab technicians?
Given equal opportunity, women prefer to work with humans than numbers/materials/systems

>>9550389

>>9553613
I've never even heard of academic institutions negatively discriminating against women in any field, but would gladly inspect any proof to that.

Also, if you stop/never even being pursuing your interest because of some vague idea that that isn't what's expected of you, then how or why am I supposed to fight for you?

lmao thank you cucks!

>>9549992

We are molded by our environment (our parents and school as children). If you want more women in STEM you should force engineering down their throats from an early age like what is done with boys.

We already have equal opportunity, it is up to them to think about what they want to do.

>>9559260
>force engineering down their throats from an early age like what is done with boys
excuse me what

>>9549992
We need to fire certain people. The greedy solution is to take the best researchers and give them tenure, although the best jist happen to be males due to cultural trends. Now there are some really good female professors, so the problem becomes which choice of males and females optimizes overall talent while minimizing workplace patriarchal toxicity by knowing which male professors to revoke tenure from (a.k.a. the misogynists in math academia)

>>9550389
>which they are
there's your problem

>>9550389
ecks dee

>>9554070
equality of outcome is a communist/socialist/far leftist dream. Unfortunately their premise that all people are equal is flawed. All should be treated equally, but they are not equal.
>>9554074
>lol, everyone I hate is /pol/
>>9552475
Inheritance is typically pissed away in a generation, tthose born rich only stay rich if they're actually worth a toss

>>9559260
nothing is forced down anyone's throats you moron

>>9550405
Fuck off skrub

>>9550310

* crickets *

...

Well, will you look at that...

I want one actual good argument for why "equality" is even a worthy goal in the first place.

>>9550060
>more women
>%
It would go even faster with more men

>>9549992
>gender equality
Define that. If that means just making it a 50-50 split then you are being shitty. If that means giving females equal opportunity then that’s cool. As with anything, you want people in a field who actually want to be there in the first place. Giving equal opportunity to those who want to be in the field is a good thing.

>>9550389
>If people are equal, which they are
Your assumption is wrong. No matter how you try and force it, men and women are different and they have different interests as a whole. Assuming that every job field should have a 50 to 50 split just because there are two sexes would be like saying you have a 50% chance of getting struck by lightening because you either get struck or you don’t. Assuming it isn’t a 50-50 split because of misogyny is a bit forced.

>>9559370
>The greedy solution is to take the best researchers and give them tenure, although the best jist happen to be males due to cultural trends.
>Now there are some really good female professors, so the problem becomes which choice of males and females optimizes overall talent
Yes, to have a meritocracy or act pragmatically we want to optimize overall talent, I agree.
>while minimizing workplace patriarchal toxicity by knowing which male professors to revoke tenure from (a.k.a. the misogynists in math academia)
Uh... what? "Patriarchal toxicity" is not a condition influencing overall talent in an academic department. These are two distinct conditions you're optimizing for. If you've made a selection from a pool of candidates without regard for gender or views such that you've maximized total talent, you cannot subsequently increase total talent by replacing any of the candidates you've selected. You clearly don't worry about the impacts of misandrists on "really good male professors," and I'd guess it's for exactly this reason, as we are talking about personal attitudes and not systemic preference (which does not exist when optimizing talent)
>>9559421
>equality of outcome is a communist/socialist/far leftist dream.
>their premise that all people are equal
This is a Point Refuted A Thousand Times but it's still made ad nauseum every single time the topic comes up - either by people being deliberately disingenuous to manipulate others, or by otherwise well-meaning ideologues who care a lot about their position and so little for truth -itself- wherever their position is involved that they cannot be bothered to read half a page of the most basic of basic introductions to the topic or just sit and think for a few minutes.
Take a look at >>9552760 and please realize this is the height of intellectual laziness and dishonesty. I think that the bare minimum for agreeing or disagreeing with a claim/argument is knowing what that claim/argument -is- in the first place

>>9549992
We already have equality retard. Making women who don't want to do science become scientists is not equality.

Fuck me for falling for this bait

>>9555586
Unironically this actually isn't a completely terrible idea

>>9550260
That's roght there's slightly more women. We can fix that by killing them off. Then we will finally have gender equality on Earth and everyone will be happy.

>>9550389
>If people are equal, which they are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70

>>9550373
/end thread

>>9561194
>there are more women in the world
>still i was born as a male
It's not fair

>>9549992

So..what exactly makes a person who possess a vagina and boobs more apt for a career in science? How in the name of tap dancing christ is the 'lack' of women in STEM a fucking problem? STEM is meant to be hard. Medicine is meant to be hard. REAL SCIENCE IS HARD!
If something is easy, every dickhead can get into it and destroy the standards.

Just look at the military, police, firefighters. Any field that women have demanded access to they have worsened and made ineffective.

So if there was a plan to build a wormhole generator or a FLT drive and someone said that the reason these programs are no progressing is because its the lack of women, I would fucking slap the shit out of them.

Women should go into fields that they want. Not be pushed into areas that hey have no aptitude or credibility for.

>>9550176
No. I want to change this world for the worse.

>>9549992
>Will we ever achieve gender equality in garbage collecting? What can we as individuals do to make this a reality?

The reason theres no female Mozart is the reason theres no female Jack the Ripper. _ Camille Paglia

Women cluster around the average. You're much less likely to get exeptional women but also much less likely to find horrible women. It makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint when your main purpose is taking care of defenseless children.

The outliers in both good and bad are male

>>9563897
I always get a kick how the so called scientific community is so willfully ignorent off the constraints of evolutionary biology.

>>9556579
Stop posting these anti-semitic images.

>>9563897
>theres no female Jack the Ripper
You mean to say there are no female serial killers? That's blatantly false.

>>9562876
Equality is more important than your Star Trek fantasies.

>>9550389
OR * LE MAYBE WOMYYN DONT LIKE SCIENCSE?? XDDDD

>>9549992
30% is too much
should be 2%

>>9565560
> 2%
Nigga, 1% is too much

>>9549992
No.

>>9549992
Sure, but the reasons seem to remain largely cultural and social, topics that /sci/ hate, so probably you won't get a good answer here.

I find funny that it seems that it is not entirely income related, as poor countries like Brazil, México or Romania have more female researchers than Germany, South Korea or Japan. Then again, I think women have more presence in biological and medical fields, while it is lower in physics, chemistry or maths.

>>9564092
>missing the point this hard

Its not that theres no female baddies, its that they're statistically insignificant to the male baddies the same way female geniuses are insignificant to the male geniuses.