/sci/ - Science & Math

Not as good as CS

>>9542611
Truuuuu

you will develop far better analytical skills than any other eng discipline/CS and also not be unmarketable like math or physics.

>>9542611
Monkeys belong in the >>>/g/hetto

>>9542611
cringe

>>9542713
>>9542721
Butthurt engineers detected.

Success breeds jealousy after all :^)

But to stay on topic, EE is a pretty good field. I'd study it if it where not for CS being more of what I want and if CE didn't make me feel like I'd end up with shallow knowledge in both disciplines I'd take it just to know some EE.

I'd say its tied as the best engineering major alongside MechEng.

>>9542966
i'm not jealous you pleb. nothing wrong with CS if that's what you like but you have no bragging rights over CE and EE. and quit using emojis unless you're trying to be cringey

>>9542974
I'm not bragging though. It was a simple joke but the way you guys have responded over it speaks volumes. I don't think highly of CE though but that's for completely different reasons.

To be blunt, if I believed I could have the same job prospects with an EE degree as I do with a CS degree I would've probably studied EE over CS but seeing as how CS is more marketable I went that route instead. I do think EE is a great field though, kinda hard to say if its better than CS or not as I find both pretty equal.

>>9542974
EE/CE is literally poverty- and brainlet-tier if you aren't in a semiconductor-related field.
And you need a master's at a minimum to touch IC design, with PhDs preferred.

>>9542611
Not as brainlet as CS

>>9542980
>I'm not bragging though. It was a simple joke but the way you guys have responded over it speaks volumes
i dunno man, you seem upset

>CS is more marketable I went that route instead.
might as well have went into finance or some other bullshit then. marketability does not give you bragging rights on /sci/

>I don't think highly of CE though but that's for completely different reasons.
CE is the best degree if you want to do CE. plenty of EEs end up going into CE and realize they wasted tons of time learning optics and E&M and other shit they didn't need. CS can't into CE at all. some CEs end up as software developers so yeah they should have just went CS cause its easier and you'd get more software dev experience. CE is like aero in that if you want to design spacecraft its the best degree, but if you end up being some HVAC faggot you might as well have just done ME.

>>9542988
>if you aren't in a semiconductor-related field
if you aren't in a semiconductor-related field then you aren't in CE at all. also i have a PhD. for most STEM degrees you aren't really likely to work "in the field" without at least masters

It's a trade.

>>9542991
>make joke
>people get butthurt over it
>point out I like EE to calm the butthurt
>"y-you're the one that's upset"

The more you post the more insecure you look. Once more you bring up bragging over a joke. CS is more marketable then finance. Plus I do like CS, I didn't just pick it for job prospects.


"CS can't into CE at all"
I literally could into some jobs. CE varies per uni, in mine CS and CE are practically the same thing (granted the full title of my major is computer science and engineering but still).

Not like I would ever want to though, there are barely any actual CE jobs so you'd be stuck doing CS or EE. You'd go into either field with a disadvantage over others. Also calling CS easier the CE is pretty ignorant but, well, not like you've shown otherwise. You're a PhD so maybe you like research and all but for those of us who just want a job CE carries too many disadvantages that the shallow knowledge you get in either field isn't enough to make up for it. In the masters level its pretty good though.

>>9543032
>The more you post the more insecure you look
lol ok

>CS is more marketable then finance
more CS jobs but finance makes way more money so depends what you mean by marketable. also most CS jobs are not actually CS

>I literally could into some jobs
not really.

>CE varies per uni, in mine CS and CE are practically the same thing
sounds like your uni's CE program is shit

>there are barely any actual CE jobs so you'd be stuck doing CS or EE
nope.jpg

>the shallow knowledge you get in either field
again you're assuming that there is not CE jobs which is wrong

I did my BS in Mechanical Engineering then went back for an MS in theoretical Math and I always thought EE was great.
A lot of great mathematicians started in EE (Nash and Shannon, off the top of my head, but it's hard to get more influential than that).
My focus is on probability and EEs are badasses with that.

It can't get me a job. I have an MS in EE and a Bachelor's in CE

>>9542611
>says engineering is not as good as cs
>people disagree
>wow you guys are so mad, your responses speak volumes and prove im right
you are the worst kind of person

>>9545086
electrical engineering*

and no, you most certainly can't into CE jesus dude if these are the lies you have to tell yourself because you're too scared to do engineering

blocked this thread, see you faggot

>>9545077
That sounds depressing. Is the job market for EE and CE really that bad? No offense but is it just you or do you know other people who also struggle?

Cant you do software jobs with your CE degree?

>>9543032
Go fix a printer.

EE from UCLA here

it's unironically shit
EEs are notoriously bad programmers, and there are no hardware jobs. CS at a good school is harder than EE, too

>>9545114
It's probably just me. Managed to score a few phone screens but I can't get past that shit for some reason.

It's a good field if you take your classes seriously and can make decent connections. Plus I love VLSI and semiconductor shit

>>9542596
pretty good desu

>>9545145
Dude I graduated in May and still nothing. I had a job lined up but my security clearance got delayed so they dropped me. I've had a few interviews since but nothing yet, and I'm literally applying across the entire country.

>>9545142
>UCLA
>Hardware Jobs
>Programming
>CS hard
LOL, are you pajeet? No EE would make any of those statements.

>>9545180
Trim your resume. You filled it with shit they don't care about. Target your shit to specific things. I'd recommend process control with emphasis on understanding PID loops and data analysis. Not a great job, but it is super easy. Use the funds and spare time to apply your degree on your own terms and don't be a wagecuck.

>>9545185
once you get to uni, you'll stop believing everything on here

>>9545180
You're scaring me. I'm the guy you replied to. I'm also applying to every place that has something mildly relevant.

>>9545142
>CS at a good school is harder than EE,
No that's impossible. No way.

EE learn at least 5 times more Math & Physics than a CS Major

I sometimes wish I'd done EE instead of computer engineering. My career has been great but I've gotten really tired of how nobody knows what a computer engineer is. Everybody get it confused with computer science or software engineering.

>>9546190
So what exactly is computer engineering? Do you literally bulid a computer?

>>9546207
big difference between it is CE you learn computer architecture and OS shit. so yeah designing and building computers. Not just microelectronics and not just software.

>>9546190
it's essentially computer science tbqh, you just implement shit in hardware
the guys publishing ISCA, MICRO, HPCA also publish at CS journals like ASPLOS, SIGMOD, IPDPS etc

>>9546207
Here's a rudimentary example of comp eng

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_logic

We can leverage the functional completeness of NAND gates to save the company a boatload of money (because you only need to use one type of gate).
The mathematical insight (and subsequent proofs) that assure us the circuits are logically equivalent is CS. Meeting physical constraints like chip size, propagation delay, fan-out, is EE. Combining the two is CE. Basically, how do we combine the devices built for us by EE's in the smartest way to make computer circuits?

Here's another famous example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomasulo_algorithm

>>9546190
i know those feels but still don't regret it
>>9546278
no

>>9542596
Dumbest of all majors. Lacks the job-opportunities of similar intelligence disciplines like CS, lacks the reasoning ability of high-intelligence disciplines like Physics, Philosophy, and Math.
It's slightly more useful to get an art degree.

>>9542974
That's an emoticon, not an emoji. Underage b&.

>>9542611
Compute """""science"""""

>>9546319
>By CS, I mean logic

ITT: physics and (((comp))) sophomores who think all of electrical is muh circuits and semiconductors
how's the 70's treating you folks?

>>9546190
>>9546190
Bit off topic but I'm cs thinking of switching to ce. Would you say its worth it or should I stick with where I am? Personally, I feel like the electrical engineering I would learn while cool would end up mostly useless as I would end up in software anyways which makes me think I'm better off sticking with cs.

>>9546897
CE = EE + CS

EE has prestige
CS has jobs
CE has both

EE master hardware
CS master software
CE master both

>>9546985
Quit bullshitting neckbeard, we can all see course lists.

>>9545114
ee used to be mostly sticking pieces together being a bitch for a corporation. but thats getting automated. now just a ee degree isnt enough to compete/get a job. you have to double major with something else. and most ee jobs now are theoretical design jobs so its harder to get one

>>9547060
Would you say MechE is a better prospect then? Or should one just go for a masters, or PhD in EE?

>>9546985
>CE master both
more like jack of all trades but master of none.

>>9547126
this guy has the right idea. I did CE undergrad and what i got was watered down comp sci and watered down EE

>>9547193
>got was watered down comp sci

Impossible, CS is already watered down to pure water.

>CS vs CE
CE is the academic major that studies computers using math, physics, and EE. CS is for people too weak to pass advanced math or physics courses. Compare:

>>CS
>1st year
Bullshit java/OO coding class
Bullshit data structures class
Piss easy calculus classes
Piss easy matrix algebra class
[If you're lucky] physics I&II for non-science majors

>2nd year
Watered down "computer architecture" class
Pompous software engineering class
Pathetic discrete "math" class
Watered down "probability" class
Crash course on formal languages and automata

>3rd year
Pathetic algorithms course
Watered down computability and complexity theory course
Laughable networks course
Laughable database course
Crash course on various programing languages

>4th year
Laughable computer security course
[If you're lucky] an Operating Systems class
[If you're lucky] a Compilers class
Horseshit AI with trivial machine learning
5-10 student team Capstone with one dude doing all the work
and all the bullshit easy electives you want

>>CE/ECE/EE
>1st year
C++/C Coding class
C++/C Data Structures and Algorithm
Easy vector calculus
Piss easy matrix algebra class
Ordinary Differential Equations
Physics I&II
Chem I&II

>2nd year
PDEs, Complex Variables, or Advanced Engineering Mathematics [which is half of each]
Probability and Random Processes
Numerical Analysis
Signal and System Analysis
Circuits
Physics III
Digital Logic
An actual Computer Architecture class

>3rd year
Electronics I&II
Communication Systems
Digital Signal Processing
[if CE or ECE] Discrete Math with Coding and Information Theory
[if EE or ECE] Control Theory
[if EE] Electromagnetics
[if CE] Operation Systems
[if CE] Digital System Design
[if CE] Embedded Systems

>4th year
Capstone where everyone actually does shit
[if you're unlucky] Ethics
Electives [for CE]:
Compilers
Computer Vision
Computer Graphics
VLSI Design
Networks
Cryptography
Reverse Engineering
Information Theory
Linear Optimization
Distributed Computing
among others

>>9547230
>Electives [for EE]:
Analog Electronics
Power Electronics
RF/Microwave Engineering
Antennas
Radar Engineering
Power Systems
Electric Machinery
Semiconductor Device Physics
VLSI Design
Photonics/Optics
Wireless Communications
Mechtronics/Robotics
Convex Optimization

>>9542611
Jesus engies can't take a joke

Any degree that has "computer" in its name it's worthless

>>9547230
Hilarious that CSlets have made up a fake major (CE) just to avoid being ridiculed. You are pathetic

>>9546733
only an underage b& would know or care the difference

>>9547126
this is what many people say but it's pretty dumb if you actually want to work in hardware. EEs take a bunch of classes that will be irrelevant such as E&M, power systems, etc. CSs take a bunch of irrelevant shit too like databases, OOP, etc. that shit is all well and good if you want to work in those areas but if you want to work in CE then obviously CE is most appropriate with the most amount of relevant classes. they didn't create the major for no reason

>>9547275
cringe

>>9547275
>>9547275

I've seen curriculums alike this

>>9547126
>learning less is better

>>9547390
>>9547126
>jack of all trades
sorry CS pleb. you are the tradesman, not me

>>9547362
they made it to separate the LCD from their money. You fuckers will shill anything from your past whether its Marvel movies, shit wars, anything about computers including fake degrees, or the Great fucking Gatsby.

>>9546803
CS is 90% logic

EE undergrad here in my 2nd year. Any tips for success and what fields to get into?

>>9547060 >>9547078

Hand-on MechE Jobs are dirty (full of grease and rust) and dangerous (you can lose a limb or be smashed by heavy machines)

While most EE jobs now are clean, in front of a computer in a comfy & neat office. Because EE is more theoretical.

Math, Physics & CS are clean just as EE.
CivilE Jobs are dirty as MechE.

>>9547210
It's homeopathic, obviously.

>>9547230
As an EE I love you stroking my ego, but it's not fair to assume CS takes calc but EE/CE tests out.

>>9547230
cs and ce take the same fucking courses nothing is separate
uc san diego had me take phys I mechanics and phys III electricity and magnetism, mix of people in that class ee, ce, cs
We all took the same math classes as well

>>9547230
>C++/C Coding class
>C++/C Data Structures and Algorithm
those courses are incredibly easy, and filled to the brim of faggots who couldn't fizzbuzz to save their lives, so not much different than the CS equivalent

also what exactly is physics III and numerical analysis supposed to be?

>>9547469
Physics 3 for me was Electromagnetism, Optics, Special Relativity, and basic Quantum physics

>>9546791
Would you prefer the title be "Mathematics of Computation and Engineering of Design For Efficient Implementation"? Because one rolls of the tongue much smoother. Additionally, don't act like programming isn't the most difficult engineering endeavor - rivaled by absolutely none, and CS perhaps exceeds the difficulty of physics.

And no this isn't a pasta, and if it were its fresh as fuck, al dente, ready to be served straight to your gluttonous and procrastination ridden soul.

As for OP, it seems like a pendantic and oversaturated way to earn a paycheck. I'd rather design and build homes than circuit boards, but I'm a math major and love it.

>>9547475
oh, e&m was in my physics 2 course

don't really see how optics, special relativity, or basic quantum physics plays much of a role in EE though

>>9547434
nigga wtf are you talking about

>>9547480
optics is a huge area of EE

>>9547483
wouldn't it be more of a specialization though?

>>9547488
what is the difference?

>>9542596
Very practical, has great potential for wonderful invention. You can create real-world, tangible things for any purpose, limited by your imagination. Go for it, but build something. Even if it's Arduino stuff. Do it.

>>9547480
Well physics 3 is just physics in general. I probably won't need to use most of what I learned in physics for my later EE courses. Also physics 3 got more into induced magnetic fields from electrical currents than just EM introduced in physics 2, at least where I'm going to school

>>9547480
>don't really see how optics, special relativity, or basic quantum physics plays much of a role in EE though

Are you retarded?

>>9547502
this is most of what we covered in my physics 2 class, (took this exam last summer, exempted it in uni) https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/pdf/ap-physics-c-e-m-frq-2017.pdf

what did your physics 3 course have from there?

>>9547479
>Would you prefer the title be "Mathematics of Computation and Engineering of Design For Efficient Implementation"? Because one rolls of the tongue much smoother. Additionally, don't act like programming isn't the most difficult engineering endeavor - rivaled by absolutely none, and CS perhaps exceeds the difficulty of physics.

being the >>9542713 meme

>>9547480
>I don't see optics's role in EE
>>9547483
>optics is a huge area of EE

Cameras, TV Screens, Optic Fibers, Lasers, Optical Discs (BluRay/CD/DVD), Lamps, Lenses, Telescopes, Sensors, Solar Panels, Fotonics, etc.

Physics MSc/PhDs can work in Optics as well, alongside EEs.

>>9547480
I guess maybe SR doesn't matter that much but quantum is essential for a lot of electronic components. A lot of components function on tunneling, like some diodes and memory.

>>9547516
I have a friend who took AP physics C in high school and he did mention a lot of physics 2 and 3 were put together into that course. College board is just probably trying to cram unnecessary shit down student's throats in such a small time period.

>>9547535
the class was pretty easy tbqh, but i probably would've done shit if i didn't already know vector calc

it's meant to be a full year course which explains the amount of cramming (there was way more shit with inductors and circuit analysis that wasn't on there), however we took physics C mechanics in the fall and E&M in the spring and almost ran out of time

think it's good though that collegeboard is stepping it up a little, saves kids time and money for uni

>>9547469
>also what exactly is physics III [...] supposed to be?

Special Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, a sampling of topics from advanced EM/Mechanics.

>... and numerical analysis supposed to be?

Numerical stability, polynomial approximation, Fourier approximation, numerical differentiation and integration, numerical ordinary differential equations, nonlinear equations, and numerical linear algebra.

>>9547479
explain exactly how programming is more difficult than any of the hard sciences

and while you're at it, explain how CS is an engineering discipline

>>9547548
It wasn't easy for me because I had to teach myself the content since the professor spent the entire hour and 30 min of lecture just deriving equations we didn't even need to use.

>>9547566
i have never heard anything good about any physicsI/II lecturer tbqh

even mine wasn't good. he definitely knew how to do it once, but only remembered 3/4ths of it
there were really only two _actually_ difficult subjects in that class which were flux/working with gaussian surfaces and working with RC circuits
those would've been much easier if my teacher knew how to teach it (or if i cared enough to open up the textbook)

>>9547573
My main issue is that I pay the school for the professors to teach me the content, not for me to teach it to myself. Thankfully all my actually EE professors are really good, it's just the physics and math ones that are garbage.

>>9547479 >>9547563
While EEs are taking Complex Analysis & MechE are taking PDEs

CS brainlets say
>Calculus 1 and Linear Algebra are too hard",
>I won't use it to make muh Wordpress Blogs adn Smartphone games
>Linear Algebra is PhD level stuff
>What is Differential Equations?

>>9547479 >>9547563
While Physicists are taking Differential Geometry, EEs are taking Complex Analysis & MechE are taking PDEs

CS brainlets say
>Calculus 1 and Linear Algebra are too hard",
>I won't use it to make muh Wordpress Blogs and muh Smartphone games
>Linear Algebra is PhD level stuff
>What is Differential Equations?

>>9547479
this is so retarded it deserves more (you)s

>>9547579
a lot of them grow out of the muh games/muh blog phase by second year, but very few of them ever grow out of whining about math
and likewise, few come out actually job ready
the only ones that come out job ready are the ones who have already worked on or contributed to many other projects and have a solid portfolio

>>9547479
>CS perhaps exceeds the difficulty of physics
Can CS fags solve easily all problems in this Quantum Physics book?
Pro tip: CS brainlets can't.

BASICALLY
As an EE you're going to be much more focused on electricity (duh). Literally from the voltage and current going thru circuits to ElectroMagnetics. Also, EEs should be good as fucking fuck at Controls Theory for dat job security.

Poysonally, I don't like the monotony of being an EE. It's like being an accountant imo and not as fun or creative as CE (or CS I suppose, I don't personally know). Coding is da best imo.

Fuck the haters, there's job security for both. Get good at Embedded Systems as a last resort.

Aaand make sure you're interested in the material. I hate the more physical aspects of CE like Thermal Analysis I have to take right now. (Micro)Electronics 1 & 2 suck aaaand Controls sucks. Gotta take all of these as CE or EE.

I'm getting my BSCE in the Spring and personally looking into getting an MS in Comp. Sci in which I'm going to have to take courses from "other Engineering disciplines" (obvi af CE & EE). Robotics & VR & shit yall!!!!

>>9547607
why are you talking like this

>>9547479

The hacker Richard Stallman is venerated in /g/

But remind that He is a BSc in Physics.
Not a PhD but a fucking BSc!
Yet is better in coding than most CS PhDs in World.

And there are many more examples like this.

Bill gates - Math Dropout
Elon Musk - BSc in Physics
Steve Jobs - EE Dropout.
Mark Zuckerberg - CS Dropout
Brendan Eich - created Javascript- MSc in Math
Dennis Ritchie - created C & Unix - PhD in Math
...

>>9547625
nu-/g/ doesn't like stallman, they all call him a commie. fucking dumb faggots

>>9547230
>this is what CE cucks believe

kek i guess this is the kind of stuff you have to tell yourself to sleep at night. Reality is far different.
These are the requirements for CS and CE at UCI.

(scroll down and click on requirements for B.S. computer engineering/science)
>http://catalogue.uci.edu/interdisciplinarystudies/computerscienceandengineering/#text
>http://catalogue.uci.edu/thehenrysamuelischoolofengineering/departmentofelectricalengineeringandcomputerscience/#majorstext

>yfw cs majors take more math classes
>yfw ce takes watered down cs classes

I could look up UCLA but I think UCI should be enough to prove my point. Most decent schools are pretty similar. CE is literally watered down CS and EE. You put yourself at a disadvantage because there are barely any actual CE jobs. Good luck finding work when you can't compete with cs majors for software jobs and you can't compete with ee majors for their jobs either. As for ee, good luck finding work at all.

It's telling how booty blasted ce and ee majors get that they have to make up lies to make themselves feel better. No need to be salty by the way, success breeds jealousy.

>>9547673
you are clearly the asspained one, and you you don't know what you're talking about. i'm guessing you're an undergrad. enjoy your codemonkey job

>>9547659
He is a commie and GPL is a terrible license. >>>/g/tfo.

>>9547680
>mocks another major to feel better about terrible life decisions
>someone post actual course curriculum to prove otherwise
>"y-you don't know what you're talking about, y-you're asspained"

I'm not the one making up lies to make myself feel better. Keep being butthurt though and keep telling yourself whatever you want so you don't regret your terrible life decisions. I'll enjoy a job, enjoy your no job.

>>9547673
>haha CE and EE majors will NEVER find work, unlike m-
*blocks your path*

>>9547691
kek

>>9547673
>Requirements for the B.S. in Computer Science and Engineering
>Computer Science and Engineering
>and Engineering

Retard.

CSE =/= CS
EECS =/= CS

>>9547695
CS is B.A. degree while CSE is a B.S. degree. UCI has a distinction but employers don't look too kindly on the B.A. majors. Other universities have similar course curriculum to UCI that they call CS.

>>9547683
cool story bro

>>9547690
keep up the asspain undergrad, it's entertaining me. i have a phd and a great job. keep looking at those course lists lol and make sure to brush up on you javascript skills. you wouldn't want pajeet to take yer job now mr codemonkey

>>9547673
>implying you need a CS degree for software jobs

Spotted the ignorant freshman. Sign up for an internship and educate yourself.

>>9547673
Those are the requirements for “Computer Science and Engineering” aka CSEE and “Computer Engineering”. Here are the UCI requirements for Computer Science: http://catalogue.uci.edu/interdisciplinarystudies/computerscienceandengineering/#text

Considerably more brainlet on all fronts than either of the two you linked. It’s funny how you’re so ass blasted and jaded that literally any idiot can do CS so you have to link CS&E instead

>>9547702
>needing a phd to get a job

The state of (you).

>CS
>javascript

Keep displaying your stupidity.

>>9547705
I don't deny B.A. CS is easy but if you're going to compare CE then compare it with the B.S. for CS. Otherwise what's the point

>>9547700
>employers don’t look too kindly on cs majors
Correct anon, you’re right; the engineering part is what makes it employable. Especially because of the babby tier math and lack of physics, or really anything a high schooler couldn’t do

>>9547706
>needing a phd to get a job
cool assumptions bro

>implying you'll get a real CS job and not be a web dev pajeet
lol. seriously though man i respect CS but its just fun talking shit especially to undergrad plebs who think they are hot shit. its not as respectable as CE or EE though. i mean they teach CS at liberal arts schools man

>>9547710
Nah the B.A. makes it unemployable. Other unis call their program CS and have it pretty similar to UCI's cse major. UCI just opted for a distinction to appeal to people who can't do physics for shit. I don't deny that.

>>9547710
you're right but it's not because of the physics and math, it's because communication and working well with a team during the design process is half the job

>>9547713
If you read my reply's to other people I even point out the B.A. are looked down upon, but not the B.S.

>>9547717
yeah for sure the BA is worse. i remember at my school there was a BA and BS in CS and i didn't think the BA should even be allowed to exist. one time i did a "senior project' type thing where everyone was a different type of engineer except one CS guy (who as doing the easymode BA) and he kept referring to himself as an engineer ("we're all engineers") and everyone was just cringing

>>9546647
>no
yes

>>9546803
>he hasn't realized CS is nothing but math
let me know when you graduate brainlet

>>9547691 >>9547693

#include<stdio.h>
int main(){
__int i;
__for(i=0,i<100,i++){
____if( ( ( i+1 ) % 3 ) == 0) {
______printf("Fizz");
____} else if ( ( ( i+1 ) % 5 ) == 0) {
______printf("Buzz");
____} else {
______printf("%d", i + 1);
____}
____printf("\n");
__}
__return 0;
}

I wrote in C. It was extremely easy, as a piece of cake.

Note: I'm EE & Math double major undergrad

>>9547721
I'm a cse but I don't call myself an engineer but a computer scientist. The point is B.S. cs are not looked down upon and in many ways they look far better then ce's. I'll mock the B.A.'s but B.S. cs is easily one of the better majors.

>all these autists drawing arbitrary lines in the sand
a very well published ECE professor at my school who works in data storage moved to a different school... and now he's in their CS department, even though he's doing the exact same work as before
the only ones who give a damn are undergraduates

>>9547727
t. falseflagging cs major

the number 15 does not print "fizzbuzz" like it ought to

>>9547703
I'm sure you could get a low level web dev or code monkey job, enjoy. I'll take the software engineer job instead

>>9547727
>It was extremely easy
Doesn't print FizzBuzz at 15 etc. kys my man
you failed extremely easily
>all that i+1 too

>>9547727
cringe

>>9547728
>in many ways they look far better then ce's
maybe for some things but not for CE which was my whole point earlier ITT. i don't get why people don't understand that CE degrees are for people who want to work in CE, not people who want to go compete with CS guys for CS jobs

>>9547727
>Note: I'm EE & Math double major undergrad
That explains the shit code

>>9547727
>Note: I'm EE & Math double major undergrad
It's 99.5% of CS majors that can't do it.

also:

#include<stdio.h>
int main(){
char str[15][10]={"FizzBuzz\n", "%d\n", "%d\n", "Fizz\n", "%d\n", "Buzz\n", "Fizz\n", "%d\n", "%d\n", "Fizz\n", "Buzz\n", "%d\n", "Fizz\n", "%d\n", "%d\n"};
for(int i=1;i<=100;i++) printf(str[i%15],i);
return 0;
}

>>9547745
CE guy here. I've been talking some shit about CS ITT but at least most of you guys can write decent code. One bad thing about being CE is you have to deal with the garbage code that EEs write. Luckily I don't have to deal with mathfag code because they only know how to use matlab and python anyway

>>9547727
you didn't even attempt to compile this

>>9547752
>It's 99.5% of CS majors that can't do it.
i would like to see a breakdown of this by school. i feel like there are a lot of really shit CS guys who go to liberal arts schools where CS and math are the only STEM degrees available

>>9547741
>cs is better
>cs majors are better at getting cs jobs
goalpost nowhere in sight LMAO

see ya

this will be saved for future cringe threads. the fact that he deleted it just makes it better

>>9547735
...so that means cs is shit right?

>>9547762
the goalpost is academic and professional rigor which is where CE beats CS

>>9547738
>this is what freshman CS majors seriously believe

Kek. It's the other way around. CS majors get the fluff IT and webdev jobs. The hard software engineering jobs often go to other STEM majors.

>>9547771
>The hard software engineering jobs often go to other STEM majors.
delusional

That note is to keep the B.A. fags away but its the B.S. CS guys that are preferred ya retard. cs get all the good jobs for the most part while you fags have to compete with pajeet and the b.a. fags for a webdev job.

I bet your code is as shit as this guy >>9547727 while feeling proud over it.

>>9547752
creative

>>9547741
Of course ce is best for ce jobs but the point is there aren't any ce jobs so ce majors are forced to go into other industries. At that point they struggle.

>>9547767
It really doesn't.

>>9547784
>the point is there aren't any ce jobs so ce majors are forced to go into other industries
this is not really true. there aren't as many CE jobs but there also aren't as many people qualified for them so it's not like the competition is that much more crazy for the CE jobs. there are way more CS guys that don't work in CS (webdev codemonkey shit isn't CS) than CE guys who don't work in CE

>It really doesn't.
yes it does

>>9547757
>garbage code that EEs write
uh back off???

honestly though there's three things i wish other engineers knew before starting uni: calc I-III, at least one programming language, and some experience in CAD
i don't even know why you'd think about engineering if you don't already know one of those three

also it's worth noting that corporations give some really bad numbers for shitty cs majors, and here's why

let's say you have nine companies and 18 candidates. 9 candidates are competent, 9 are incompetent. each of the 9 competent candidates interviews at one of the nine companies, and gets a job. each of the 9 incompetent candidates interviews at all nine companies, none get jobs. each company thinks it's hired the top 10% of the industry. each company also has spent 90% of its time interviewing shitty candidates.

>>9547789
>uh back off???
lol ok

>>9547789
>let's say you have nine companies and 18 candidates. 9 candidates are competent, 9 are incompetent. each of the 9 competent candidates interviews at one of the nine companies, and gets a job. each of the 9 incompetent candidates interviews at all nine companies, none get jobs. each company thinks it's hired the top 10% of the industry. each company also has spent 90% of its time interviewing shitty candidates
interesting. whenever i hear about someone who applied for 100 jobs and can't find anything i just facepalm. if you are a good candidate you won't apply more than 5 places, usually only 1 or 2

>>9547793
if you made good connections while in uni, you likely wouldn't even need to apply, or at least not go through the full process

>>9547757
>i would like to see a breakdown of this by school. i feel like there are a lot of really shit CS guys who go to liberal arts schools where CS and math are the only STEM degrees available

If you're school is in america, then your cs program is either shit or outright IT or rarely a EECS/CSE program that's half decent.

>>9547778
Wait until you get into the workforce. Also my code is >>9547752

>>9547788
>but there also aren't as many people qualified for them
In the US, current estimates have 4000 news jobs being added for ce in the next 10 years. That's 400 new jobs a year. Maybe in your country its better but in the US it doesn't look too great. Granted that might be enough for current ce grads, can't be bothered to look it up but i doubt it.

>yes it does
If you like it I won't stop you in fact i did consider many times to go the ce route over cs but I'm glad i stopped myself. Your knowledge while it might be just fine for what you're doing is still limited compared to cs and ee majors. Memes asides its still a good field. If you don't want to compare yourself then thats fine but claiming its more prestigious when you don't even know as much as each one on their topic is simply wrong.

>>9547778
>thinks he is super special for taking an algorithms class
>thinks no one could possibly read CLRS on their own and gain the same knowledge

CS majors are literally the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

>>9547806
most of the top ranked CS schools are in america

>>9547809
Well even with the lower job growth in CE I still got a good CE job as did basically everyone I knew from uni. I am in the US btw. As for the CE guys that can't get CE jobs, I haven't known any but that still doesn't take anything away from the academic/professional rigor of field and those guys are not representative of the field because they literally are not in the field. there will always be more software jobs than hardware jobs

>Your knowledge while it might be just fine for what you're doing is still limited compared to cs and ee majors. Memes asides its still a good field. If you don't want to compare yourself then thats fine but claiming its more prestigious when you don't even know as much as each one on their topic is simply wrong.
CS majors know more about CS than EE or CE majors
EE majors know more about EE than CS or CE majors
CE majors know more about CE than EE or CS majors
what is so hard to understand about this? the extra knowledge of the CS and EE majors is not useful to CE. all the parts that are useful to CE are included in CE and then some. also not every part of CE overlaps with EE or CS

>CS undergrads: "CS math is the hardest evar!1"
>CS professor: "CS math is a joke"

I wonder who is correct...

Slide source:
>https://www.fastcompany.com/3008216/the-loneliness-of-the-female-coder
>https://www.slideshare.net/terriko/how-does-biology-explain-the-low-numbers-of-women-in-cs-hint-it-doesnt/14-First_CS_doesnt_require_that

PhD EE here, there's a lot of opportunities in the field and I would ignore anyone who bases their advice on what areas they consider to be "brainlet-tier." I'm doing postdoc work in THz electronics which is a pretty interesting field imo, but frankly EE is so fucking big that you can find something you'll be interested in. There's circuits, a lot of math heavy stuff (signals and systems), and a lot of physics heavy stuff (semiconductors, optics, etc.) For undergrad I think the general advice is to try to take a broad set of courses to find something you're interested in and then get at least a Masters where you specialize in that field, you won't get a job doing anything remotely EE related with just a bachelors.

>>9546897
Certain software jobs can't be done without a strong understanding of electronic hardware. A microcontroller datasheet looks like alien gibberish to a typical computer scientist. If you want to do embedded firmware do CE. If you want to do databases and apps do CS.

>>9547905
well said. i'd like to see a CS guy try to work on place and route algorithms for fpgas

>>9547905
>If you want to do databases and apps do CS.

Or just self teach since that stuff isn't hard at all.

>>9547723
Computer engineering is a lot closer to electrical engineering than computer science. They usually take the same courses for the first two or three years. In the end CEs get more digital electronics and programming. EEs get more analog and power electronics.

>>9547455
>>While most EE jobs now are clean, in front of a computer in a comfy & neat office. Because EE is more theoretical.

Fucking lmao you never worked a day in your life as an EE.

Has a cringey gatekeeping culture. "You aren't as dedicated as I am to circuits!"

The above statement, but also realize that the era of electronics is over and their importance is less relevant (though still very relevant, just not as relevant as they still like to think.)

>>9542966
>and if CE didn't make me feel like I'd end up with shallow knowledge in both disciplines
This is me

>>9548080
>but also realize that the era of electronics is over
How? If anything electronics is only continuing to grow. I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

>>9547857
>there's a lot of opportunities in the field
>you won't get a job doing anything remotely EE related with just a bachelor's
Pick one, faggot.

>>9542596
There aren't any jobs. I wish I had known before it was too late. Don't make my same mistake. The truth is there really aren't many jobs in STEM period. The STEM shortage myth was to try and oversaturate the field more so they can pay people less. I recommend going into finance.

>>9548217
Someone didn’t do any internships

Sci in a nutshell

>>9548234
Internships are even more competitive.

>>9548217
>There aren't STEM jobs. I recommend going into finance.

There are no Jobs in Finance either.

Now many jobs are being automated.
"Thanks" to CS & EE (ironically the topic on this thread)

not only factory workers are being automated, but also engineers.

And in near future even truck drivers, retails, restaurants, delivery, transportation will be automated and even science and healthcare.

>>9548241
Ya it would be concerning if they weren’t

>>9548234
this
>>9548246
this

if you want jobs you're going to have to compete. why would you expect otherwise? it's people like you who perpetuate the whole "college means job" myth. why? This bullshit should be dead and buried. We all know that college doesn't necessarily immediately mean job. But the statistics clearly indicate it helps with probability AND it helps with improved salary. but it is no guarantee. get it through ya heads y a d i n g u s e s

>>9548248
So then, I was right. There are no jobs in stem. Stop with the excuses.

>>9548095
In the literal sense, of course it grows, but in the old sense, electronics were a useful hobby. Radioshack sold circuit elements. I read an article by a WW2 soldier who had to figure out how to build a radio from scrap parts - e.g., built his own capacitor in the field. Nowadays everything is either cheap enough to buy as a finished product, digitized, or is an integrated circuit that requires a PhD to be employed in and has no ability for its hardware to be tinkered with.

The real tinkerers are programmers now. Programming is so easy to improve on your own, with so much more that is possible.

Why do I care? Because the aging faculty at my school still reveres circuit design in this way.

>>9548315
If you want to believe that and have a defeatest attitude then all the better. It'll make it easier for me to get a job (I'm already employed in industry while still in school but whatever)

thanks for willingly cucking yourself ;^)

>>9548325
2 choices:
(1) Wageslavecuck
(2) NEET

>>9548325
I'm not giving up at all buddy. I'm just sick of all the kids pretending that stem is a free job pass.. It isn't and there's a good chance of moving right back into your parents place after graduation.

>>9548341
oh. then I halfway agree with you. There are definitely jobs in STEM but I agree there is no such thing as a sure thing/free pass.

>>9548329
I mean if that's how you feel then just leave the system entirely since you feel like being a wageslacecuck is the same as providing value to others.

>>9548351 >>9548329
>(1) Wageslavecuck
>(2) NEET
1 more choice:
(3) Business owner / Capitalist

>>9547857
THEN WHY CAN'T I FIND A JOB??

>>9547857
>get at least a Masters where you specialize in that field, you won't get a job doing anything remotely EE related with just a bachelors.
So we need at least a Masters.

So BSc in STEM are memes.

>>9548244
Thanks to EE and logicmaybe. You can keep gaming out of it

>>9548357

>>9548207
those statements are not incongruous, there is a lot of work to be done in EE just most if requires an understanding beyond what you get with just a BSc

>>9547970
Yeah, those IC designers at Broadcom, Qualcomm, and Intel really get their hands messy fucking around on Cadence every day. Only someone with a blue-collar work ethic could endure such crippling risks like RSI and back injuries from sitting too long.

Fucking retard.

Average CSlet:
>durhh i love vidya and want make game
>huuh 4chan /sci/ tells me is 4 retards better pick the next closest thing
>enrolls in computer eng

This thread is making me so fucking anxious now, I have no idea if going in EE was the right choice.

>>9549202
>the next closest thing
that would be math

>>9549508
t. either the dumbest person alive or the cs guy samefagging

>>>/v/408214404

>>9549508
EE rocks and if you can't come to that conclusion for yourself, then maybe you should listen to the neckbeard, wagecuck it, and go CS and practice edging in a computer store for the rest of your life.

>>9549143
Wow this guy really knows his buzzwords

Except that guy said nothing about it being backbreaking work

>>9549658
I'm bad at programming though.

>>9549653
>background changes when highlighting

cool

>>9549668
Do not worry, CS is not programming. It is just discreetly wanking while you search for solutions on the internet for whatever problems you face at geek squad.

>>9549202
>>durhh i love vidya and want make game

Fuck off /g/, there's is literally nothing wrong with video games and the CS majors that hate them are the dumbest.

>>9549725
Everyone who says "trinary" instead of "ternary" should be shot.

>>9542596
EE?

CE and EE are much harder due to physics imho, and this is coming from a infosec student

I think physics overall requires some pretty big brains, only challenged by higher level maths

>>9542596
Fuck off, we're full. Go major in physics or something.

>>9549774
Trinary sounds better. Ternary sounds like an anal disease.

>>9542596
electronics engineering is the patrician form of electrical engineering

fight me amerifats, or wait does america even have electronics bachelors? i couldnt find any with that title

>>9542596
Somehow our engineering is the most autistic out of all others.

>>9549202
So in other words the actually smart people stick with CS while brainlets get memed into majoring in CE, EE, math, and physics? Makes sense.

>>9549843
>So in other words the actually smart people stick with CS while brainlets get memed into majoring in CE, EE, math, and physics? Makes sense.

It's the other way around.

>>9549843
not him but u are correct

if you choose your degree based on sci opinions you are a retard, and sci mercilessly roasts cs which causes autists which would normally just do cs to do ce

if u like vidya and want to make games but also what to be potentially employable just do cs

>>9549846
If you are dumb enough to believe that you proved my point.

>>9549848
what if i don't want to make vidya but just want a cushy networks or software engineering job?

Not everyone in cs wants to make video games, despite what /sci/ might claim

>>9549848
Now that I think about it I wonder how many got memed by /sci/ to switch majors. Given the autist in this board I'm sure there's some.

God I feel sorry for those that got memed into majoring in math or physics. I can't imagine the regret.

>>9549808
yeah but a [math]rad[/math] anal disease

im thinking about cs or ee
which makes more $ and which has more demand for workers

>>9549858
I did EE but always kinda wanted to do math or physics. Coming to /sci/ makes me really regret not doing that double major with math I'd been considering.

>>9549863
>more demand
im in ee but this is a major meme. every field is going to try to reel you in by pretending there's a shortage or some shit

if you make the most out of your time in uni and market yourself you will get a cozy job, doesn't matter which degree

also theres an ass blasted guy in this thread that will roast the shit out of you for saying that

>>9549864
But you're different because you actually wanted to learn math.

I'm talking about those that had no interest in math or physics but got memed by /sci/ to switch out of engineering or cs because they got memed into thinking it was more prestigious.

You could always go back to school but I doubt you'd want that. Self teaching is a thing. Just do that crave your passion.

>>9549870
>Just do that crave your passion.
Fuck that sounds retarded.
I mean just study to fulfill your passion

>>9549870
I got memed into thinking EE deals with energy systems when that was entirely the domain of mechanical

>>9549878
If you could go back would you major in ME?

I got memed into thinking EE makes robots. Then some EE major told me it was ME majors who did that. At least I found out before getting into it. Granted I still think EE majors play a bigger role in robotics then ME

>>9549889
EE's do play a massive role in robotics though. Im only in my 2nd year though, but Im debating whether or not to switch.

>>9547913
>In the end CEs get more digital electronics and programming.
which is why they overlap CS so hard
read papers my nigger, as I said, you'll see the same names publishing in computer architecture conferences also publish often in computer science conferences.

take the EXACT same idea.
generate data on a hardware platform or simulation: it's a computer architecture paper.
generate data on a software platform or just write mathematical proofs: it's a CS paper.

>>9547839
>proving that roasties can't even understand math

>>9547905
Can an EE major do the work of a CompEng? Can a CE do an EE's work?

Lets say I go to a school with an equally good CE and CS program. If I wanted to do software, would doing CE put me at a disadvantage over CS guys? Like I heard some big companies don't hire entry level programmers unless they have a CS degree. Are CE's also considered or are they not considered as good at programming? I'd rather not have to struggle to find a cushy software job because I chose CE. There's hardly any CE jobs so I'm not confident I would get a job doing that which would force me to try and get into software.

I guess my fear in learning CE is that the stuff I learn that's more EE related becomes useless since there's barely any CE or EE work and since I don't have a great background in CS i struggle to find work in software.

>>9549908
ee can into ce easily, i dont think it's the other way around

ce is unnecessary specialization, just like aerospace instead of mechanical. it sounds really cool and will certainly help raise more eyebrows from your family but you don't actually know anything technical so why put yourself in a cage right away?

>>9549852
Nothing in Rosen nor Sipser nor CLRS is hard. It's really easy compared the stuff studied in STEM fields. Crack open Sedra/Smith, Rudin, Artin, or Shankar and see for yourself.

Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect and realize that you're on Mt Stupid.

>>9549908
>If I wanted to do software, would doing CE put me at a disadvantage over CS guys

No, anyone can get software job. I know religious studies majors working as software engineers.

>Like I heard some big companies don't hire entry level programmers unless they have a CS degree.

This is completely untrue.

>>9547469
>those courses are incredibly easy, and filled to the brim of faggots who couldn't fizzbuzz to save their lives,

Of course they are. Just like how calculus classes are filled to the brim of faggots who can't even evaluate [math]\int_e^z \frac{ln(x)}{x\ln(x)-x}dx [/math]. The point of classes is to learn how to do and practice until you're good at it.

If you have an interest in analog circuits or RF communications, go into optics.

>>9549922
>ce is unnecessary specialization, just like aerospace instead of mechanical
Honestly have to agree with this. Can't think of anything to fully refute it.

>>9550199
>>9549922
its not a "cage" if its a specialization you actually wanted. if you specialize and realize you don't like it then yeah you fucked up

>>9549998
>e ∫zeln(x)xln(x)−xdx.

Nice.

>>9550203
i can agree? although i mean personally if i was really into ce i would still do ee and then from there get a masters in ce if it still really tickled my fancy

anyone interested in computers might also be interested in other parts of ee, and anyone planning on majoring in ce has obviously never done it before. i only see downsides in caging yourself, and none with starting general. moreover because it's much harder to fuck up a general interest than it is to fuck up a ambiguously specific one

>>9550239
if i was "really into ce"

i should've put that part in quotes, because how can i be really into something that i've never actually done in any technical sense?

>>9547453
Software defined radio is a very interesting field to go into

>>9550239
well it worked out nicely for me. and most MS programs are combined ECE anyway

sup EE here

i climb those big cell phone towers you see once a week, plug in a usb, take the data, go back home, fire up fortnite while procesing the data for 18/hr

1k+ paychecks biweekly with 0 effort

>>9550248
how do i do this

>>9550248
sounds pretty comfy but that doesn't sound like engineering

>>9549143

Not only are you clueless but you're an arrogant little prick as well.

ME and EE go hand in hand you fucking mongoloid or do you think their "heavy machinery" is being powered by good wishes? Working as a lab rat is reserved for a very small amount of people in the industry, the rest work in construction. Even if you're a project designer you still have to go to construction sites.

>>9550267
Electrical engineers deal with stuff like radio wavelengths, so I'd imagine he has to make sense of the data processed as an EE

>>9550248
But I'm scared of heights.

>>9547356
Its the exact opposite you retard, underages don't even know emoticons once existed.

These meme tier CS goons better hop back over to reddit.

>>9549725
t. CSlet that succumbed to pressure from an anonymous image board.
CElets are even fucking worse than CSlets

>>9550351
pretty sure he wouldnt be getting a fat paycheck doing that if he didnt write the processing algorithms himself

>>9551241
>1k+ paychecks biweekly
>big fat paycheck
Not to throw shade but even being generous with the '+' that's only like 40k-50k/yr. That's a totally reasonable salary for a low-level technician.

Has anyone here taken a VLSI class and what did you think of it? 0% chance I will use it in any job

>>9551363
i loved VLSI. Focused on that for my MS. Now I'm having a tough time finding a job in the industry. Fucking sucks.

>>9551384
fucking knew it, now let me ride off to my shitty code monkey job that definitely exists somewhere ahahahaaha

I'm sorry though.

>be underage intellectually insecure virgin
>wrote a couple of baby tier scripts in early adolescence
>likes computers and vidya and although not passionate seems like the best pick for a major
>starts browsing /sci/ and sees how ridiculed CSlets are
>"well IQ is immutable and my major choice won't have any impact on it but I guess I'll pick something else"
>looks through local crap community college's degree catalog
>"oh shit this looks exactly like CS but has a different name! It'll fool everyone.."
>enrolls in CE

Folks, this is the archetypal progression of a CElet.

>>9551430
that sounded too personal
this was autobiography wasn't it?

>>9551438
No, I picked math and became Chad. :^)

>>9551430
>>>/g/

>>9551430
>>be underage intellectually insecure virgin
>>wrote a couple of baby tier scripts in early adolescence
>>likes computers and vidya and although not passionate seems like the best pick for a major
>>starts browsing /sci/ and sees how ridiculed CSlets are
>>"well IQ is immutable and my major choice won't have any impact on it but I guess I'll pick something else"
>>looks through local crap community college's degree catalog
>>"oh shit this looks exactly like CS but has a different name! It'll fool everyone.."
>>enrolls in math
>
>Folks, this is the archetypal progression of a mathfag.
fixed that for you. CS is closer to math than CE. quit projecting

>>9551631
>CS is closer to math than CE.
at last i truly see

>>9551631
But CS take the easiest math

CS take brainlet tier discrete math, combinatorics, linear algebra & graph theory

While EE take Vector Analysis, Complex Analysis, Fourier Analysis, (Ordinary & Partial) Differential Equations & Dynamical Systems, Numerical Analysis, plus everything CS takes.

>>9551907
that's meant as an insult to math not CE

>>9551920
yes but at least CS takes basic math, whereas they do not take basic hardware classes (maybe one if you're lucky)

>>9542974
>>9542991
>>9544545
>>9545095
>>9547713
>>9547741
>>9547767
>>9549846
Define CE first, and I'll tell you why you're fucking stupid.

>>9546272
In CS too you learn architecture and OS shit.

>>9546319
Looked at several CE curricula, none of them looked like a combination of the two, but rather EE that desperately tries to be employable by adding the absolute most trivial CS shit.

>>9546985
>EE has prestige
Very debatable, especially compared to ME.

>CS has jobs
Depends on specializations.

>CE has both
Definitely not.

>>9551987
>Define CE first
i'm not doing your hw for you undergrad pleb

>In CS too you learn architecture
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>9552303
>>In CS too you learn architecture
>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nice argument you got there, buddybud.

>>9552529
CS barely touches on architecture if at all

>>9552529
CS majors spend 75% of their architecture course teaching C (which is why so many dumbass think it's a low level language/portable assembly), 20% on baby level digital logic going no further than ripple carry adders, and the rest of what little time is left quickly outlining computer organization.

>>9551987
>Define CE first

see>>9547230 >>9547231

>>9552303
>>9552537
>>9552572
CS major here. Took that class, it was in assembly. The longer this thread goes the more it shows how little the guys who hate on cs actually know.

>>9552620
see
>>9547673

Looks like memes don't match reality.

>>9552629
>he thinks assembly is the most advanced/important topic in computer architecture

The longer this thread goes the more it shows how little the guys who major in cs actually know.

>>9552629
dude the point is that you only take 1 intro to architecture class which is what i meant by "barely touches on it". take a look at this, there is 1 architecture related class
https://cs.stanford.edu/degrees/ug/Requirements.shtml

>>9552636
also this

>>9552636
One guy mentioned C so I mentioned assembly to show otherwise. That also wasn't the only thing I learned from it nor was it the only class I took for it. So tell me more about a major you know nothing about.

>>9552572
>CS majors spend 20% of their architecture course teaching assembly, 75% on describing the guts of microprocessors and how interruptions/exceptions work and the rest is a small project in embedded programming
ftfy

>>9552620
Did most of what you call CE, except the first two years were called "preparatory class" and the next two "computer science." Also did OOP and FP, so I'm employable. Second post isn't CE, it's EE.

>>9552648
you aren't going to learn much about architecture in one class

>>9552650
But in 3 classes (CPU, architecture and GPU programming), I am.

>>9552637
>all cs programs teach the same shit
My unis requirement is two architecture classes which is basically what the CE's have to take as well. Try again.

>>9552656
>two architecture classes
oh wow stop the fucking presses. come back when you've taken
computer org
digital logic
digital design
computer arch
microprocessors
digital integrated circuits
and yeah not all schools are the same that's certainly true, but i can tell you if your school's CE program only has 2 architecture classes than it's shit

to be fair, you aren't really going to know shit about architecture during undergrad no matter what you do, you need at least masters for that

>>9552640
Can you describe how a Booth encoded Wallace tree multiplier works? Or even how a carry-lookahead adder works?

>>9552674
>Booth encoded Wallace tree multiplier
i'm on your side here but this is pretty esoteric

>>9552665
You're right my mistake. I only thought of the classes that had architecture in the title.

Out of those the cs program requires:
>computer org
>digital logic
>digital design
>computer arch
>microprocessors

>>9552682
point me to this CS program

>>9552682
You're not an Aussie are you? Down there CS and CE are reversed.

>>9552686
>implying

But I'm not lying although I made a mistake on the microprocessors part. I didn't take that I was thinking of a circuits elective I took.
That's still 4 out of 6. I don't see why you don't believe that, that seems fairly normal for a CS degree. In fact I didn't think of computer org and computer arch as CE until today. I always thought of them as CS.

>>9552716
No, CE majors have to take all those classes he listed.

>>9552720
what do you mean "implying"? i asked you to point me to it and you can't, so how am i to assume anything other than you are lying? it should be on their website easy to find

>that seems fairly normal for a CS degree
it really doesn't, which is why i asked to show me. tell me which school. if you can't you're full of shit

>>9552726
I'd rather not say what school it is. I guess I'm paranoid. You wouldn't want to say where you went to either.

Either way I know those classes are required. A lot of schools in my state require the same shit which is why I don't see why its hard to believe

>>9552744
>>9552744
What the fuck? I went to University of Florida. Why should you care? Quit bullshitting. At least say what state you are in

>>9552747
Alright fine faggot
http://student.engr.ucr.edu/majors/2017%20ENCS.pdf

I don't get why this is hard to believe, a lot of schools in California require similar shit

>>9552758
I'm counting 3 architecture related classes. Good job, looks like a decent program. I don't know about Cali but from what I've seen most CS programs don't require that, and many of the smaller schools don't even have those classes at all. Still not going to learn that much about architecture from just those 3 (actually just looked up the syllabus for them and they're pretty basic compared to what i took, not tryna brag just saying). I suggest you load up on the architecture related electives and then specialize further in your masters (assuming you want to get into architecture). Godspeed

>>9552747
>>9552758
Speaking of which. I don't know what a cs degree is like in Florida but i doubt its much different then this one. These classes for a cs degree shouldn't be surprising.

Post it if you have it.

>>9552770
At UF the CS guys only required Digital Logic and Computer Org, not any of the others (yours only required one more than that). After looking at your Digital Logic and Digital Design classes (or equivalent) they seem much more basic than what we took (ours each had pretty intensive labs that would take like 15 hours each week on top of the lectures, homeworks, etc)

>>9552769
What's the third one? Pretty sure there's four counting cs61, cs120A, cs120B, and CS161.

> from what I've seen most CS programs don't require that
They do its just a naming convention that they use. In other UC's they opted to call their program computer science and engineering to distinguish it from less rigorous degrees in their uni they call computer science. CSE is still CS. Not too sure why but UCR didn't bother with that they did something else instead.

>>9552776
Well the descriptions are basic but the classes cover far more then what it says. CE's have to take a lab for CS161. Although I wouldn't find it hard to believe if they where more basic, I wouldn't know.

>tfw have to click through 20 different traffic lights
Fucking broken site

>>9552781
>CSE is still CS

No CSE is CE.

>>9552783
I'm just saying my degree is called CS and its practically the same as those others called CSE.

>>9552783
that's kinda what i always thought

>>9552781
i guess you could count that one too

yeah i got tired of clicking through the sites also. i wanted to post links to what our labs are like but seems they take them down and only post them as the class goes on each semester.

you planning on going into architecture? its pretty awesome. if so i would suggest focusing on that for grad school and finding a good program/professor in that area (especially one with connections)

>>9552787
seems like you're getting screwed then cause if you want to go into architecture people might assume you don't already know it. you could easily overcome that though. once you establish yourself nobody cares what your degree was in. i work with a guy who did chemistry but taught himself computing shit and now works in that

>>9551987
>Looked at several CE curricula, none of them looked like a combination of the two, but rather EE that desperately tries to be employable by adding the absolute most trivial CS shit.
EE spans a lot of fields (communications, power grids, fabrication, photonics, and more), so the major has a lot of degree requirements and related prereqs.
These block up the student's schedule and make it physically impossible for them to accmulate prereqs or coursework in fields that you could argue are important for a EE to know nowadays.
For example a lot of EE students want to know about machine learning. But they don't have the prereqs and there was no way to get them without falling behind taking courses that don't even give them credit towards their degree.

>the absolute most trivial CS shit
So the main idea is to introduce a less diversified EE to open up space for tech electives. It's not about taking the trivial classes, it's about making it possible for them to take the most advanced.

>>9552797
i always try to explain this to /sci/ but they never understand it. same thing applies to aerospace engineering

>>9552789
UCR's CE program is fairly new having only been recently created like a decade ago. So like I said there's no surprise if yours is better. Until then it was just CS or EE which is probably why CS is so much like CE. I don't know.

I'm a CS major, remember? I don't plan on going to grad school although I did consider branching into some CE. That's a commitment I'd rather not decide on at the moment.

>seems like you're getting screwed then cause if you want to go into architecture people might assume you don't already know it
Local companies are familiar with the program so there's no problem there but if I wanted to move then yeah that wouldn't look so great. Either way I don't know as much as the CE guys so I wouldn't do good competing against them. Plus there's many software jobs in socal so it works out perfectly.

>>9552799
my advice is to at least get a masters. you should be able to get an assistantship or fellowship to pay it for you (tuition, stipend, healthcare) or just go straight to employment and get your company to pay for it.
>Either way I don't know as much as the CE guys so I wouldn't do good competing against them
eh it's probably not that big of a deal if you can show that you know your stuff. i wouldn't limit your job search to local unless you are already set on staying there for family or something

>>9549968
>Sedra/Smith is hard but nothing in CLRS is hard
come on man I know you're in autismo argument mode but try to be a little bit honest. In CLRS they don't even provide solutions to half the exercises and people often don't even know how to begin to approach them. Without google the book would be impossible for students to learn from.
Also when you say nothing in Sipser is hard try to be fair and remember the book is for beginners -- it actually covers very little material. I'm convinced more than half of students never really understand the pumping lemma.

>>9552804
I'd rather just work but if an employers offers to pay I wouldn't be able to say no. I have family so that's my priority and it also limits my search to just socal. But I guess for you looking around is fine. There's lots of high paying CE jobs around here. Especially San Diego and LA area. Granted the cost of living I think is higher so it might just even out to be the same thing you'd earn in Florida. Who knows.

>>9552812
I don't work in Florida, but yeah I thought about going to silicon valley but it didn't seem worth it with the cost of living and the fact that its packed full of male autists

>>9551631
That doesn't describe me in the least. Sorry, brainlet CSlet.

>>9553176
i'm not in CS dummy

>>9549143
Honestly listen to to this guy >>9550289
I work at a small system integrator that does industrial automation and robotics and our automation engineering division manager gets down and dirty with us techicians during the demo, install, and start-up process. When he's not with us then yes he's doing clean office work. And he did finish an EE bachelor's not some EET wannabe. I think the best engineers i had the opportunity to work with all started out as techicians or had some construction experience beforehand. It is incredibly useful to know what, how, and why you're designing something.

Hardware jobs are drying up internationally. I remember desperate calls for "more engineers" not long ago but now the market is saturated and everyone wants more software monkeys. Economies betting large on computer hardware are getting left behind versus finance and software economies.

It makes more economic sense to study CS, EE is more difficult and will require a greater time investment for lesser economic return. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts you'd make more money out of the gate with a BS in CS than an MS in EE.

Unless you are wealthy and want to navel-gaze, you should study something that will make you wealthy. Don't waste your youth and (re)productive years chasing fantasies.

>>9554937
>too many engineers
>large demand for code monkeys
>3rd uni ive been to
>10:1 cs to ee ratio
hmm

>>9554937 >>9554944

Reminder that an EE grad can get CS jobs
While a CS grad can not get EE jobs

>>9554948
>EE grad can get CS jobs
Nope. EE grads factually suck at programming and hate it. This isn't 1960 anymore.

>>9555052
What is it about majoring in EE makes someone a bad programmer? I don't see how learning some field makes you inherently bad in another.

>>9555163
I'm a CE. I work with a lot of EEs and they are pretty bad at programming generally (not always). They spend a lot more time on other subjects that have nothing to do with computing so they usually don't have as much programming experience. Anyway, it is certainly easier for an EE to get a CS job than the other way around

>>9554944
How many chip fabricators do you know? How many new ones will open next year? How many ASIC or FGPA companies? How many fab-less hardware companies? What's the up-front cost of starting a computer hardware company versus a computer software company? Millions versus zero. There will always be more software than hardware enterprises. Until writing better software yields worse business returns than custom fabricating an ASIC, at least.
>>9555052
See above.

I can go on glassdoor right now and find data science internships at big-name companies even outside the Valley for 100K+ starting. What do you think makes you more qualified for a data science job, EE or CS?

>>9551319
>52 weeks in a year
>1k biweekly
That's about 100k/year.

>>9555169
Honestly I don't know, but as an EE most of us really suck. Our coding classes were a fucking joke.

>>9555319
What kind job pays every 3/4 fucking days?

>>9555319
Lol no. He said biweekly. So cut that 100k into two. 50k.

>>9555726
Cut it into 4, so about 26k @ 1k/paycheck

>>9555284
Neither. Math makes you more qualified.

>>9555284
According to /sci/ it'd be EE>CE>>CS.

But in the real world its actually CS>CE>>EE

/sci/ is never right. Just look in this thread where most of sci wrongly thinks the majority of cs majors don't take basic math, physics, and hardware classes.

>>9555791
They literally don’t

>>9555819
Proof?

Try not using memes for once.

holy shit this board is worse than r9k and pol
every time someone asks a question about whatever field you'll just get someone post "brainlet tier field" and the rest of the thread will be retards arguing about it

I know this isn't EE but yea. I'm considering a Master's in ME but I don't know know what to decide on for a specialization. I'm debating between thermal/fluid or design/manufacturing. The grad coordinator tried pitching design/manufacturing with an emphasis on robotics but I honestly find thermal/fluid more interesting on the surface. Job-wise, what's a good choice?

>>9549846
>6th semester CS student that didn't know what a logarithm was
Literally how?

>>9555831
no different than r9k and /pol/*

>>9555866
>being dumb enough to believe /sci/ memes

>>9542596
>>9542611
mfw encountering EE and CS stooges

>>9556099
forgot mfw

>>9555819
I literally did.

>>9545142
You're not an EE major and you probably don't go to UCLA. There are many concentrations outside of electronics.

>>9547230
Fakest and gayest thing I’ve ever read

>>9547230
All the triggered cs majors LUL

it’s a sign of the times. Cs fags have taken over sci so now you can’t make fun of them anymore without an army of triggered first years pretending to be engineering majors saying it’s so easy

>>9547230
>>9556220

Oops meant to call >>9545142 fake and gay

>>9556178
You literally didn’t, source
your curriculum so we can laugh at it

>>9555825
Proof that cs majors don’t take basic math and physics courses? That’s like asking me to prove that gender studies majors don’t take basic math and physics courses

>>9556265
If you look throughout the thread everytime a CS curriculum is posted this is always the case. None of you have anything to argue against this but memes. All proof is on the CS side, not on your side. It really makes no sense why you're all so insecure.

Also CSE=CS
No cse calls themselves a computer engineer but a computer scientist.

>>9556220
I’ll get a job if I try real hard r..right ? This thread has filled me with doubt.

>>9556791
Hey I'm >>9545180
After a phone interview today, a company's bringing me in for a final interview. Also several recruiters called me today. If I can make it you can too.

>>9555281
there will always be less HW jobs, but there will also always be less people qualified for them

>>9555791
>CS>CE>>EE
lol

>>9555833
no idea but just do your masters under a good advisor with connections and you'll be set

King of Engineers

>>9556878
>CS isn't better than CE and EE for data science jobs

You're retarded.