/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9517000
it will be extremely painful

>>9517000
we will get more

>>9517000
by definition of "outweighing the resources",
the population will drop

>>9517004
you're a big species

>>9517022
for earth.

>>9517000
Race war

Then the industrial-technological system will finally collapse and humanity will achieve freedom.

>>9517025
This. Buckle up, boys. Shit is gonna get ugly.

How long would you say we have until this happens?

>>9517000
Just like any animal species. The population will drop then gradually settle at a sustainable level.

>>9517131
more like...

>>9517000
people will have less children

>>9517107
It's already happened. We are currently unsustainable long term. We trade extra resources now at the cost of pollution,agw,debt. What happens when we run out? We sacrifice our future.

End of civilization

Like the ancient greeks and persians

>>9517025

You are going to save your defective skin pigment gene while theres no food to eat?

>>9517000

>>9517025
>implying it wont be a giant corporation / government war

>>9517155

Its true.

Theres a study that estimates that the biosphere has enough mineral nutrients to grow food for 1 billion people.

In other words, just using the fields and forests could only support 1 billion mouths.

With fertilizers made by mining minerals and synthesis from petrochemicals, theres about 6 billion people who regularly get enough nutrition.

So, thats something like 5 billion mouth being fed with "artificial" nutrients

hopefully 10 billion get wiped out and things will go back to normal 100 years after that happens

optimistically S-curve I guess

>>9517000
perhaps in another billion years or so, another intelligent species will evolve, find our fossils, and learn from our failure as a species.

>>9517201
but, but we need a carbon tax so climate change won't inhibit future economic growth.

or at least thats what some fucking idiot said once.

>>9517201
>Theres a study that estimates that the biosphere has enough mineral nutrients to grow food for 1 billion people.

>>9517000
We make more ;^)

>>9517222

Carbon dioxide is the least of climate change problems.

The main culprit is Methane.

Methane is generated by cows, mostly - and humans.

Methane is roughly 23x times more effective greenhouse gas (b.w.) than CO2.

Unless the chinese, brazilians, europeans and US stop eating meat, landfill dumping organic waste, and start sequestering methane from animal and human manure...

...we will be done by 2035 or so.

US is already experiencing the changing weather patterns bringing on extreme drought.

>>9517232
>The main culprit is Methane.

Not really.

Methane breaks down into CO2 fairly quickly. CO2 is the main one.

>>9517000
>implying we haven't outweighed resources

America/Europe is the only place in the world that matters iknowrite xD

>>9517000
Lots of starving subhumans.

>>9517000
S-shaped growth curve

>>9517201
There's only a limited amount of phosphorous, but we could feed 6 billion indefinitely -- if we used resources wisely and recycled the atoms.
Just because we had to dig up or convert phosphates doesn't mean it's "un-natural".

However, even with the best practices, we will hit some limit or other at some point. Population cannot grow indefinitely even under the rosiest of scenarios. Therefore, population WILL stabilize or decrease. The question is how fast will it change and what will be the endpoint? Famine, disease, war, or birth-control. Only alternatives I can think of offhand. Which would you prefer?

(And please don't suggest "let's just kill everyone who doesn't look or think like me." Practically speaking, that means war -- likely nuclear war. Even the "winners" aren't going to be in any condition to maintain anything near their current populations.)

>>9517226
Dont have that but see
https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-people-does-synthetic-fertilizer-feed

>>9517237

Yes, REALLY.

>>9517257
> Just because we had to dig up or convert phosphates doesn't mean it's "un-natural".

Never wrote that synthetic fertilizers were "un-natural", whatever you think that means.

>>9517202
try ~300 minus all the colonialism.

>>9517257
biological warfare familio. Africa in all likelihood would just take care of itself if the West stopped giving hundreds of billions in aid every year.

The only people straining resources are africans and asians, and they don't have the means to secure resources outside of their own territory, so they'll just face demographic collapse while the heavily armed west will carry on.

>>9517441
the American empire is collapsing at the seams, and Europe is getting friendlier with China you dumb ass.

>>9517459
How is the american empire "collapsing at the seams"?

>>9517182
> muh race is just skin deep
>>9517197
leftypol

>>9517483
https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1358

>>9517284
No, but you wrote "artificial", as if that made a difference.
Like some people demand "natural" vitamin C rather than what comes from a test tube.

Manufacturing fertilizer from phosphate rock can only be a temporary measure. If it's recycled, the increased amount can be used indefinitely to feed more people than could have been sustained on just guano and nightsoil.

>>9517000
Same thing that always happens: war, famine, social unrest, general human retardation and crimes against humanity. Resulting in a lower population and a reformed social order. Dozens and dozens of major examples in history to pick from.

>>9517435
At this point the developed world just needs to stop sending aid to Africa or commit and divide it up amongst our states as they are 100% clearly incapable of developing a function society with the exception of south africa, and I say that as a canadian left centrist.

>>9517483
Give me a metric by which it isnt lmao, just to name a few where American influence is fucked : cultural decay and division, social decay and division, reduced global influence and critically reputation, corrupted financial institutions, corrupted political staff, faulty political system, corrupted health and welfare systems, lack of education in the electorate, resurgent isolationist ideas, confused national identity, an economy that has an uncertain future, mismanaged public spending, weak anti trust laws, etc the list goes on and on. America really only has what it had originally going for it re a massive industrial base, large natural resource deposits, geographically advantageous position, and the vague hope that the best parts of the American spirit (opportunity, liberty, equality) are still smoldering in at least a small percentage of them.

Malthus was wrong. Populations will follow logistic growth.

>>9517000
Oceans will suffer first. Then us land dwellers.

>>9517814

>Pretending that Nigeria doesn't exist, literally has the biggest economy in Africa, provides the highest academic immigrants and is run by blacks.

South Africa is a failed state in comparison.

>>9517870
Forgot about nigeria mb, there are some north african states that are semi ok as well

>>9517000
long bathroom lines

>>9517847
This.

Oceans will become devoid of life first. Something like 40% of the population lives within 100 km of it for a reason, and they will move inland. That's when the real fun begins.

>>9518848
then water runs out and it's mad max
isn't that fun?

>>9518853
buckets of sloppy fun.

>>9517000

Then we just make more resources ourselves, duh.

Next question.

>>9517000
population stops increasing in about 3-4 decades

yes we are already having a huge negative impact on the earth but people don't really understand the fact that if you give one square foot to each person i don't think you'd even fill the area of los angeles

>>9517000
You consume less of those resources, which you can do it at any moment.
If by resources you mean food, some people will die where that happens.
Actually it's happening right now in africa, and it will only get worse because their population is still growing fast.
Outside of africa nothing extreme should happen.

>>9517870
>>9517885
>nigeria
>semi ok

That's a fucking stretch

>>9517833
>corrupted financial institutions
What is this supposed to mean? Be more precise.
> corrupted political staff
Corruption is not defined as whatever political view you disagree with, anon.
> faulty political system
It´s the most fair and long-lived political system ever conceived.
> corrupted health and welfare systems
Be more precise. How exactly are the health and welfare systems any more "corrupted" than those of any other country?
>lack of education in the electorate
The average distribution of IQ is the same in every country, anon. The majority will always be dim-witted.
>confused national identity
What is that supposed to mean?
>an economy that has an uncertain future
The whole of the western world relies on American influence and military power. A chink/indian takeover of the world notwithstanding, the American economy will continue to grow.
> mismanaged public spending
No more mismanaged than it is in any other country.
> America really only has what it had originally going for it re a massive industrial base, large natural resource deposits, geographically advantageous position, and the vague hope that the best parts of the American spirit (opportunity, liberty, equality) are still smoldering in at least a small percentage of them.
>and the vague hope that the best parts of the American spirit (opportunity, liberty, equality) are still smoldering in at least a small percentage of them.
Here´s something for you to ponder: no other country respects individual liberty and the concepts held dear by enlightenment-era philosophers. Freedom of speech, the right to bear arms and numerous other fundamental parts of a free civilized society are unique to America.

Most people, including Europeans, still live in societies built around medieval political philosophy.

>>9517833
spotted a 90 iq neoliberal

>>9517000
Is this a serious question, do you actually not know what happens. Why are frogposters such brainlets?

>>9520524
>Corruption is not defined as whatever political view you disagree with, anon.
The essence of your post is wrapped up with this. If everything's relative to you then of course you can't perceive that america is degrading.

>>9520524
>the right to bear arms and numerous other fundamental parts of a free civilized society are unique to America.
And hopefully it will remain that way.

>>9517000
return to trend

>>9520781
School shootings are a result of a decaying society and not sufficiently strict laws.

>>9517000 >>9517182 >>9517025
White genocide

>>9517000
>deplete fresh water resources
>degrade agriculture to unsustainable levels
>climate grows even warmer
>mass starvation and thirst
>cities packed with refugees
>the wealthy flee to space stations away from the unwashed plebs
>wars over the scraps of remaining essentials
>billions die
>???
>profit!

>>9520781
do you have an idea you wish to articulate?

>>9517025
You can do all you want after you GO BACK to europe.

America belongs to Amerindians.

>>9517000
>What's gonna happen when population outweighs resources?
War.