/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9489163
tesla is doing great
captains of industry take big risks, that's why he's where he is and you're where you are

yeah what a loser that musk guy is

>>9489163
Source?

>>9489172
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/960630695788990465

>>9489163
Space travel is a pointless waste of time. Money that goes towards building rockets should be going towards healthcare and education. It's a disgrace

>>9489191
you're a pointless waste of time.

>>9489191
you mean the exact things that benefit most from NASA spin-off tech?

>>9489215
Wouldn't it make more sense to just fund more medical research instead of just having it be a positive side effect of an otherwise wasteful space program?

>>9489191
>>9489241
This is something only an ignorant twat would say.

Education and healthcare already get far more money than they need to function properly, but most of that money is wasted and mismanaged. The money that funds space research and travel is a very tiny fraction of what goes towards education and healthcare, it's not even comparable. You should be fighting for better management of that money and less corruption in the system, but since that requires some degree of critical thinking skills and willpower -both thing you'll never have, what you do is sit back and complain about space travel.
Once a brainlet, forever a brainlet.

no you moron, Grey Dragon was formosat'd to BFR. It's the best decision they could have made.

>>9489191
I know this is probably bait in this context but it's amazing to think how ignorant you would have to be to believe this. All the trillions of dollars in this world that is wasted on pointless, frivolous shit and it's space travel that's the problem? Fuck you, and yes I'm triggered

>>9489163
>Cancels rich ass moon tourist bullshit in favour of BFR development

So what has he done wrong again?

>>9489274
Anything more than £0 going towards putting rockets into space for literally no reason is money misspent. And when the fuck did I say that I was opposed to better management of the resources already given to healthcare?

There is literally no point in having a space program, it only serves as a dick measuring contest between nations

>>9489284
There is literally no reason to explore space when we already have everything provided to us by the planet we live on. We need to stop fucking up our planet instead of trying to find somewhere else

can we discuss this topic with everyone itt having actual listened to the exact quote at least?

https://soundcloud.com/geekwire/elon-musk-discusses-the-launch-and-flight-of-the-falcon-heavy-rocket

>SpaceX is focusing their efforts mainly at BFR right now
>if BFR takes longer than expected, they temporarily go back to using Dragon and FH for moon trips as BFR is developed

>BFR flight tests (hops) start next year

>>9489299
>>9489297
Fucking kill yourself jesus christ, this is why we can't explore and colonise our solar system. Because dickheads like you just want to give it all on welfare so gutter trash can breed like rabbits ad nauseum. Fuck off.

>>9489278
Are you retarded?

They just delayed the mission until 2030 by doing this.

>>9489311
...?
Grey Dragon was planned for 2018. BFR is planned to be flying 2021. It's a 2 year delay.

>>9489309
It's immoral to spend our money on novelty spaceflight toys when we still have serious problems we need to tackle in our society. A man on mars is a disgrace while there are homeless people shivering on our streets

>>9489315

Guys, play nice.

>>9489317
but moooooom people on the internet are wrong

>>9489316
Nice to see that you don't have an actual counter-argument. Who benefits when money is being poured into space programs instead of soup kitchens?

abandon thread everyone, let's close it up

it's baitzone-1 now

>>9489328
>I hate poor people

>>9489332
don't you?

If Falcon Heavy blows up tomorrow it's over for SpaceX.

Nobody will take these fools seriously anymore when the only things they don't cancel don't even work.

Holy fuck this thread is absolute cancer

>>9489163
Alright! Here's my opinion on Musk.

>Is he a genius?

Yes

>Has he made good contributions to the Space industry?

Yes

>Is SpaceX revolutionizing Space travel?

Yes

>Is he going to get us to Mars by 2024?

No.

He's officially lost his mind.

He thinks he can build a rocket that costs $10 billion and not pay a cent for it.

>>9489323
>Who benefits when money is being poured into space programs instead of soup kitchens?
The same people that benefit when expired canned goods can't be given to those same food kitchens, and instead grocery stores are forced to discard and destroy them.
The same people that benefit when trash taken to the dump isn't sorted through, but merely dumped and collected en masse.
The same people that benefit when a person buys an energy drink or a soda that has enough sugar/caffeine/ENERGY to give them diabetes or liver failure or death upon repeated and consistent consumption.
The same people that benefit from overmedicating people because it's easier to sedate someone's problems rather than teach them how to handle being upset for even a moment.
The same people that benefit from your short-minded complaints about "wasteful" spending and think nothing about how much political campaigns cost, when those dollars could easily be used to fund the things you want to change.

Did you know NASA's budget was less than what Trump or Clinton spent on their political campaigns? Did you know that Space X and Blue Horizon have less money than Exxon and BP? Go cry about causes and companies that aren't breaking ground in multiple fields simultaneously and driving humanity toward actual objectives set in a different century.

>>9489163
Shut the fuck up.

China thread in /int/ is having discussion on rocket missiles if you're interested.

>>85256831

>>9489484

>>>/int/85256831

>>9489274
>brainlet
why the dumasaphobia?

>>9489163
good, leave the moon for the miners. Mars will be our Galts Gulch.

>>9489315
did you even take economics??

Good.

We have more important issues to deal with back here on our own planet.

>>9489314

BFR won't be flying in the 2020s at all, if it ever flies. It's just a paper idea for Musk to point to and use to kick the can down the road for any goal that he fails at.

>>9489315
The money spent on space programs is a tiny fraction of those countries' GDP. A similarly tiny fraction could "solve" homelessness in those countries, and there are programs that work towards that end. These are separate economic interests, and not mutually exclusive.

>>9489602
I'm holding you to this, Musk stated in an interview yesterday that the BFS will commence testing via suborbital hops in 2019 and that development is progressing quicker than expected. The BFR will fly in the 2020's, the real question is in which year?

>>9489163
OP in the pic bashing on Elon and his reputation while he'll be a lonely virgin for the rest of his life

>>9489191
Educational support from tax payer money should only go toward STEM.

>>9489315
Man fuck the homeless.

>>9489602
>BFR won't be flying in the 2020s at all, if it ever flies.
It might fly, how do you know it won't? Stop stating your opinions as if they're facts, you're making yourself look ignorant and retarded.
Or are you perhaps saying that you can see the future? If so why haven't you killed yourself knowning that you're going to be a failure and lonely for the rest of your life?

>>9489163
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Mom let the hyaena use her computer again.

>>9489565
J E L L O

>>9489165

tesla isn't doing great, it's the subject of a title ix racial discrimination lawsuit just as California made it so that only companies with "good labor relations" can get EV subsidies

>>9489315
Do you have a computer? A smartphone? Any piece of electronics at all? Do you eat in restaurants? It's immoral to buy these instead of giving the money to homeless on streets.

>>9489191
If only we had mo monies for dem programs Shanigra could become a scientist.

>>9489315
Retards like you should be euthanized. Suddenly 90% of Earth problems would be gone.

>>9489171
i laughed too hard mahn

>>9489163
what reputation? when he was at paypay he tried to move whole infrastructure from linux to windows for fucks sake, i shit you not

>neck deep in student debt
>rich people get to send their toy cars on rockets
>markets crashing

The world's getting more and more toxic.

>>9489826
>Title IX
This shit happens to multiple companies on a regular basis, it's why corporations have legal teams dumbass

>>9489959
I never thought I'd actually get baited enough to say this but
>>>/Reddit/

>>9489163
>drop moon to focus fully on mars
>somehow this is a bad thing and worthy of just meme

I'm not really sure what you are saying OP.

>>9489191
Throwing government money at education has been shown to not make schools better. I agree with you that government should not subsidize space travel, or anything for that matter.

Space travel needs to become profitable to survive.

>>9489165
>tesla is doing great
What? No they aren't. They lose over half a million dollars per year and are expected to have an even bigger loss for 2017. They lost $619 million in 2017Q3 alone because the Model 3 isn't meeting production figures (they produced only 260 compared to the stated 1500).
Sure, startups are expected to net losses for their first few years of operation before beginning to turn a profit, and Tesla certainly isn't the worst of the startup bunch (Uber definitely takes the cake for that), but as it stands, their road to profitability is based on some very specific conditions that have questionable attainability.

>>9490041

No.

Capitalism and profiteering have no place in space.

We should be striving not to send our worst there.

>>9489959
>markets crashing
They're not crashing at the moment, we've been long overdue a correction after all, but within the next 2 years we could see a legitimate crash. Some major industry giants could be looking at bankruptcy or restructuring that would shake up the entire economy. (*cough*GE*cough*)

>>9489372
>He thinks he can build a rocket that costs $10 billion and not pay a cent for it.

the wall is going to cost more than that and mexico is paying so why not a rocket

>>9489315
ITT: "villains" that did nothing wrong

>>9489565
BUILD ADDITIONAL PYLONS

>>9490238

construct*

>>9490277
Sorry, it was so long ago.

>>9489163
>moon missions
t. Butt hurt ULA salesman that lost his savings in the BTC crash.

>>9489823
NO
No jelly babies, we will find a way.
>>9490238
>>9490277
Kek

>>9490329
>No jelly babies, we will find a way.
What for? Free Haribo factory

>>9490014

yes but not all corporations rely on a very specific subsidy program to exist.

>>9490052
half a billion*, not million

>>9489309

>we should run away from our problems on Earth and colonize the universe so we can wreck every planet due to our resource consumption like a virus

Idiot, you probably think that giving billions of dollars to a military 100 times the size of China's is good too. Amerimutts have no sympathy or communion to their own people. You are wicked. Your only purpose in life is to EXPAND :DDDDDDDD

>>9492775
I agree that Americans are scum but space travel is great.
It's the only way to get away from them

>>9489191
Fuck you Obama

>>9489241

>Making humanity a space civilization
>Wasteful


Fuck off nigger go back to the stone age

>>9493359
There is no reason to colonise space, it's a stupid idea. We already have more than enough living space on Earth as is. The Earth provides everything that mankind needs, why should we leave it other than to boost our own egos?

>>9489346
The answer here is simple, the USA doesnt want him there, I just wonder what are they hiding

>>9493532
I mena we should defenitely get rid of niggers and other undesirables first if we want to think big, which I dont see it happening and Ill probably die b4 it does.

>>9489297

>britfag
>we needs mo money fo dem programs

dole parasite detected

>>9489565
what game?

>>9493570
t.

>>9493532
>why should we leave it other than to boost our own egos?

Because we are a pioneering species.

We want to do it because we believe it's possible.

We want to discover more about the universe than we already know.

Because we can.

Is this not a good enough reason?

>>9493656
Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

>>9490063
reddit spacing and reddit tier argument

>>9493532
and we already have enough stupid posts on this site but here you are

>>9493708
>people in the US still don't have universal healthcare but that's okay as long as they have rockets

>>9493741
healthcare in the US is gonna be shit no matter if its private, universal, or the convoluted hybrid like we have now

>>9493767
If people aren't bankrupted by medical bills then that's still an improvement

>>9489381
Sheesh dude chill I'm pretty sure you put him in cardiac arrest

>>9489315
>serious problems we need to tackle in our society
wypipo

>>9493844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

Fuck you OP
This is now a space daddy appreciation thread

>>9493532
>why cross the ocean, we have everything we need right here

fuck off child

>>9489163
>https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/960630695788990465
>no post about this on r/spacex
god spacex fanboys are pathetic

>>9490329
>we will find a way
Yeah, eventually.

>>9493779
We could go a long way to fixing healthcare even without universal coverage if we manage to lower the insane prices charged by medical providers.

>>9493906
The difference is that there was stuff on the other side of the ocean that would benefit us. In space there is nothing

>>9490052
I think a boom is around the corner. It seems like a descent portion of the world is quite driven to stopping climate change. The next step is most likely getting rid of combustion engines in cars. Big boy companies like Renault is working on and already produced a whole line up of full electric cars, and they plan on only making them on the very near future. Tesla is sort of the pioneer, being one if the first to make quality electric cars. When all automobiles will be electric, they have an advantage in every aspect.

>>9494038
>In space there is nothing
brainlet detected

why is /sci/ so obsessed with this guy

>>9494043
>Big boy companies like Renault is working on and already produced a whole line up of full electric cars
And Toyota
And Nissan
And Mercedes
And BMW
And VW
And Porsche
And Range Rover
And Jaguar

Most car companies these days either already have electric cars or are planning them

Jaja

>>9489315
That's why the higher class burns hobos in Brazil for sport.

>>9494129

Motherfucker runs the company attempting to bring us to other planets, no shit he's got a following

>>9494129
teens who think they're smart and like to boast about it usually post these threads, you can tell by their hostile reactions towards those who have criticisms of spacex

>>9494159
>Motherfucker runs the company
no he doesn't

>>9493700
True. But in this instance it is something we should be doing as well.

>>9494191
But why should we?

>>9494186

Fine he's the CEO, CTO and founder

>>9489191
Money spent on space should be used to euthanize you

>>9489191
>Money that goes towards building rockets should be going towards healthcare and education.

Why not full from our military funds first? Why one of the smallest investments the government has?

>>9494038
> there was stuff on the other side of the ocean that would benefit us
Actualy Europe's countires got fucked and no longer superpowers. How is this benefit?

One day a Mars colonist will have the same reasons not to travel to another star.

>>9494186
If Elon died, would Gwynne carry on his legacy?

>>9494221
and the one who doesn't do anything actually relating to creating the rockets, that goes to his engineering team

>>9494141
and Tesla isn't having good sales even with Subsidies
Ironically Space X may be Elon's most profitable company, because God knows the hypermeme ain't going anywhere

>>9494251
Progress would stall, SpaceX would go public and we'd be back to oldspace in a decade.

>>9494257

Man's still the figurehead of the company and started the whole thing

>>9494244
Europe had its empires destroyed by two world wars and were supplanted by the US and USSR, but its colonies in the new world prior to the 20th ,particularly the Caribbean were, rather profitable

>>9494043
Electric cars do not help the environment.

Why bother going to the moon? Mars has far more uses.

>>9494316
Low gravity and close to earth

>>9494287
But anon, WWII was sponsored by USA. It actually screwed over Europe.

>>9494385
>sponsored by USA
The Great Satan America may be, it did not finance WW2.

>>9494398
After WWI UK and France were in debt to USA and paying up. Germany was paying repatriations to UK and France until it's economy collapsed. So UK and F stopped paying to US.
To make it all work USA funded Germany so it could all come back to them. Spice must flow.
USA also actively fucked any competition to Germany, like Poland and destabilised the continent.

>>9489191
Welfare is a pointless waste of time, money that goes towards paying out welfare checks should be going towards building rockets.

>>9494510
This
Spics, nogs, and whit*ids on the dole can get fucked

>>9489309
>give it all on welfare so gutter trash can breed like rabbits ad nauseum
referring to your fellow citizens as gutter trash
wew lad, how much more american can you be

>>9494568
All Americans are garbage, you should know this

>>9494038
>the absolute STATE of brainlets
I'll remember this post when I'm terraforming mars

>>9494695
>unironically moving/making entire atmospheres

>>9489191
Why on earth do we need to take money from one of the most underfunded government programs to two of the most bloated?

>>9493532
Yeah, until we don't anymore.

>>9489163
>spacex has officially cancelled all moon missions

Why ?

>>9494568
Right, because I'm sure you love each and every one of your country's citizens. Only an American would ever dislike the other people that live in his country. That's why all of Europe loves gypsies so much, why China gets along with its minorities so well, and why every country in Africa is a stable model of brotherhood.

>>9494715
small time compared to moving ur mum last night m8

>>9494043
Tesla isn't really known for its affordability though.

>>9495049
Do I dislike people in my country? Absolutely, I would even say I dislike most of them. Does that mean they arent deserving of equal accessibility to quality education, housing, food, and opportunities to live their life? Absolutely not. The idea that someone in your society is "gutter trash" and undeserving of welfare regardless of circumstance is largely American and uniquely unethical as well as illogical.

>>9495121
Yea better that the countries wealth is looted to engage in rampant dysgenics until everything collapses
Not sure why progress is an evil thing to you so called progressives

>>9494038
>what is asteroid mining.

>>9489163

BFR and Mars are their plans, anon.

>>9489346
>2030's?
Yes

>>9495121
>The idea that someone in your society is "gutter trash" and undeserving of welfare regardless of circumstance is largely American and uniquely unethical as well as illogical
Jesus fucking Christ listen to yourself.

>>9495131
Canada and a large portion of europe are socialist welfare states that havent collapsed. I dont think progress is "evil", I have no idea why you would think I do.
>>9495366
Its unethical because you are making a qualitative and quantitative judgement of someone else life and their value in the broadest possible way. Its illogical because the "gutter trash" are all potential productive members of society ie a resource which is squandered.

>>9489191
>pointless waste of time
Poor people are a pointless waste of time. Might as well advance the civilization and leave the weak behind.

>>9493741
its ironic the biggest morons on the site also post retard wojaks
Ive never heard a single smart thing being said from a retard wojak poster

>>9495730
>Ive never heard a single smart thing being said from a retard wojak poster
I don't think you understand how the meme works.

>>9495767
way to prove his point

>>9489381

← failtard fails hard

>>9493942
Maybe because they already know it you dipshit? Elon said ages ago they will go all out on BFR and just stock up on F9's and FH now.

>>9496225
moon missions are still cancelled

>>9489215
>https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/960630695788990465
there is very, very little useful "spin-off tech" from Nasa; you're thinking of the military.

>>9494038
In space there is literally every we don't have fr ourselves, actually. A whole galaxy full of it, actually. A WHOLE. FUCKING. UNIVERSE. ACTUALLY.

I can't believe /sci/ is this uneducated. I never went to college and if this isn't bait, I may not be the dumbest person here after all.

>>9496459

>>9494216
A better question is to ask "why shouldn't we?"

There is no reason we shouldn't.

>>9495047

I'm pretty positive he was just given the nod for the airforce's special (top secret class) payloads after performing the burn after the radiation bath. Musk just got promised a blank check.

>>9489191
Why not use 99% of our resources to take care of ourselves and 1% to space exploration? If we can't take care with 99%, than it's not space exploration's fault for being so inefficient

pro tip:
> today we invest less than 1% of our resources in space exploration

>>9489191
Why not use 99% of our resources to take care of ourselves and 1% to space exploration? If we can't take care with 99%, then it's not space exploration's fault for being so inefficient

pro tip:
> today we invest less than 1% of our resources on space exploration

>>9496465
>very, very little useful "spin-off tech" from Nasa
>nvm muh cellphone, computer-controlled car engine, live video by satellite, etcetera

>>9495730
Of course, it takes double-digit IQ to post a retard Wojak and it was guaranteed to be enraging for all of 10 seconds before it got overused by every double-digit retard hoping to score points.

>>9496654
>enraging

>>9489163
BFR is already the replacement for the Falcon platform. Why would they waste resources on what is, essentially, already obsolete?

He's said this multiple times: BFR replaces everything they currently have, so it would be more efficient to focus on perfecting that platform.

>>9496656
It's already been rendered toothless by /sci/ and /pol/'s abuse of the meme.

>>9489163
Go to sleep Jeff Bezos

>>9496663
>being this mad at a meme being overused

>>9489323
smart and driven people

>>9489191
>Lets pay to keep fatties and smokers alive
>Lets pay to have niggers go to college and drop out

>>9489163
Dream on, Mars Man.

>>9494129
Engineering kiddies have taken over this board and established a cult for worshipping spacedaddy.
/sci/ is no longer about Science nor Mathematics. It's merely a pop/pseudo-sci and engineering circlejerk board. It's time to go elsewhere.

>>9494141

The Chevy Bolt already sold 10s of thousands of units in the year the Tesla 3 sold like, >1000 as well.

Tesla has a big brand in their favor, which people can be pretty impressionable when it comes to branding, so maybe that will save them in the long run. But overall they've really got nothing special going for them. The Bolt has the range that the Tesla 3 touts as one of its selling points, and Chevy is competent enough to deliver vehicles now instead of having an infinite preorder list.

>spacex has officially cancelled all moon missions
>for the non BFR rockets

basically they're switching F9 and FH into reliable long term money makers and shoving all possible r&d and certification into BFR.

for instance they aren't going to bother with certifying FH for human transport, just F9, since it's such a huge fuckin pain in the ass to certify for that

>>9498471
exactly.


>"muh micrometeorites"
>"muh 1/270 LOC is totally achievable with our models guys :^)"
>"muh doesn't-apply-to-SLS"
> t. NASA

it pisses me off

>>9489163
You guys are grasping at straws. Elon is killing it on all fronts. SpaceX, Tesla, and The Boring Company are all obnoxiously successful, seriously Im starting to get annoyed with how awesome Elon is. If the falcon heavy test didnt make you hard in the pants you need to leave this board.

>>>/pol/
Seems more your speed.

>>9489163
source? I can't find one as of 17:24 est

>>9489299
>infinite resources of rare minerals and metals with asteroid mining
>potential for solar arrays in space
>potential colony on moon and mars
>transportation anywhere on earth in under 60 minutes
>literally no reason

How about we put you and your kind on the moon instead?

>>9494257
hes lead designer

>>9489299
Even if we do stop fucking up our planet. Even if we reverse the damage from years of Carbon emissions, replenish the rainforests, feed all the poor people, and abolish nukes an asteroid could come tomorrow and destroy literally everything. I agree we need to stop fucking up our planet but if anything we should be trying harder to find another place to live.

>>9489315
I agree tbqh but at the same time I don't. So I guess I see where you're coming from, but I'm a huge fan of space so fuck you

>>9496246
haha did the same thing when I saw that image

>>9494257
Elon Musk is a very active, hands-on manager, who had an education in physics. He doesn't just hire people and get out of the way. He digs into the details, understands things, fires people who aren't useful, overrides his engineers when they're not doing the right thing, etc.

>>9498511
>making a safe vehicle is bad!
This is why nobody takes aerospace/mechanical engineers seriously.

>>9498471
The big problem was certifying Dragon 2, not Falcon 9. Certifying FH would be a cinch compared to the Commercial Crew program.

This is just a case of BFR cannibalizing all other programs for funding.

>>9499276
have you been following the crew certification drama? It's not about making a safe vehicle, it's about the requirements increasing complexity to a point that it *hinders* safety. the NASA requirements for MMOD protection is fucking dumb, and both Boeing and SpaceX CANNOT reach the 1-270 LOC figure without modifying the models.

meanwhile, Soyuz is not held to the same standards, and neither is SLS.

>>9499283
>It's not about making a safe vehicle, it's about the requirements increasing complexity to a point that it *hinders* safety.
You're a retarded conspiracy theorist.

>and neither is SLS.
Orion has the same LOC requirements as the commercial crew vehicles.

Why does SpaceX discriminate against women and black people?

>>9499283
http://spacenews.com/commercial-crew-vehicles-may-fall-short-of-safety-threshold/

>"measures that can, on paper, reduce the LOC figure, like the addition of redundant systems, can increase a vehicle’s complexity and result in unforeseen failure modes"

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/682859.pdf

>The Commercial Crew Program is tracking three main crew safety risks. First, the contractors’ computer models may not accurately predict the loss of crew. These models are a weighted treatment of scenarios, likelihoods, and consequences throughout the flight, and are continually being updated by the contractors. According to program officials, they have been working closely with the contractors to improve their loss of crew models. For example, the program identified risk factors, such as bird strikes, that were not included in the contractors’ models and worked to update them. Both contractors told us they have confidence in their models to accurately predict the loss of crew risk associated with their spacecraft. Second, the contractors’ spacecraft may not be able to tolerate the micrometeoroid and orbital debris environment, which is the most significant driver of the loss of crew metric, according to the program’s analysis. Both contractors have lowered this risk through testing, which provides insight into how well their systems perform in these environments, and by making design changes. If the contractors have to make future design changes to improve their spacecraft’s performance in the debris environment, certification could be delayed significantly. Finally, if the contractors cannot meet the loss of crew requirement, there are several actions the Commercial Crew Program could take to help meet it; but, according to the program, these actions may not be enough to completely close the gap. The program has reported it is exploring options, such as the use of ISS cameras to conduct on-orbit inspections of the spacecraft."

>>9499340
meant to reply to >>9499292

the crux of the matter is that the NASA 1-270 is NOT ACHIEVABLE without changing requirements, waiving requirements, or other actions.

this does *not* mean that the launch systems are not as safe. I would argue for the opposite

>>9499340
>"measures that can, on paper, reduce the LOC figure, like the addition of redundant systems, can increase a vehicle’s complexity and result in unforeseen failure modes"
keyword: can

Those cameras on the ISS are going to endanger the crew for sure!

>>9499337
Because capitalism is a meritocracy and women and black people are dumb on average.

>>9489655
this picture makes me so sad

>>9499340
Imagine how much time, effort and money has been spent on "modelling" crew loss!

Fucking criminal waste of money
Literally billions of dollars totally wasted on absolutely useless models

Which they are going to totally ignore, or use to sabotage SpaceX

>>9499367
>inb4 brainlet liberals vehemently disagree with this post for no reason other than “muh feelings”
Its the truth, get over it.

>>9489191
What the fuck are you even doing in a science board?

>>9489346
I'd personally be impressed if he managed to get us to the moon.
>>9489315
But I don't want to help homeless people. I want to go to mars.

>>9499391
Why? Is sleeping on the job a touchy subject for you?

Has this autist ever done anything to help Earth instead of being obsessed with that red testicle in space, which he obviously is in because of money?

so now your realising that spacex was a massive money laundering scheme

>>9499507
>spend half a billion on developing a rocket
>then launch commercial and government payloads on said rocket for 90 mil a pop
>make 40 mil per launch

only takes 25 launches to make it back bruh

What happened to the ITS? The BFR looks similar but smaller payload?

>>9499512
>being this bad at arithmetic

>>9499518
shit I did one billion

I am idot

>>9499516
smaller payload, cheaper, still fucking massive, but most importantly it's doable without HUGE capx for stuff like a new factory with a roof 10m taller. they can build the mini-ITS without much need for new principal manufacturing infrastructure.

still gonna be an 11/10 rocket

elon is pretty much one of those shysters you see selling faulty washing machines as new

he will sell you not only the world but mars and the moon as well

>>9489165
>great

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/07/tesla-quarterly-loss-elon-musk-spacex

>>9489636
>Musk stated

The same guy that stated: FH will fly in 2013
Hyperloop is a thing
Tesla will build like 20 times more cars than they did?
Everyone dumb enough to take this fraud serious doesn't deserve any better.

>>9499542
hyperloop is a thing only because Musk has nothing to do with it anymore

>>9490052
>million

more like billion

>>9495047
>Why ?

Because the whole "sending people to space" meme is nothing but PR.
They have no capsule to carry humans they have no man-rated rockets.

SpaceX will never send a Human to Mars before NASA, launching payloads into GTO and LEO is a poece of cake conpared to ahuman mission and exactly the reason why SLS is ao expensive.
You retarded Muskrats should educate yourself before you talk about rockets/space exploration

>>9489163
This man's PR machine single-handedly owns the reddit front page.

Why does /sci/ support someone like that?

>>9489565
>living in enclosed space and suits all your life

Humans are not meant to reach the stars

Earth is our mother

>>9499459
>Has this autist ever done anything to help Earth
Have you?

>>9489297
>no need for a space program
>what are satellites

You are THIS dumb.

>>9499367
>capitalism is a meritocracy
capitalism is an economic system, you retard

>>9499590

as if most people on /sci dont already live that way

>>9489381
>Go cry about causes and companies that aren't breaking ground in multiple fields simultaneously and driving humanity toward actual objectives set in a different century.

This so fucking much
Everyone is mad or making a mockery that is actually losing money trying to push new barriers while stagnated monopolies are considered "efficient"

>>9499547
Yeah, I corrected that here >>9490765

>>9489163
hahaha lol

Literally a thread made for bitter and unsuccessful people.
How mods allow it is beyond me.

>>9499409
>what's even the point of safety estimates, let's just strap people to rockets and see what happens, I mean they volunteer for it, right? their own decision if they die

>shitting on a guy wanting to reach the stars only with his own fucking money

>>9489191
(You)

>>9500545
Technically he only wants to reach Mars to create a new master race civilization because he was bullied in school and hates people now.

>>9500551
i like him even more then

>>9500555
I don't. Sociopaths and power are never a good combination.

>>9500545
>only with his own fucking money

>>9494269
why does this fucking thing look like photoshoped shuttle without the orbiter?

Is thread is bait galore. Never seen so much bait and austism in one thread on sci

Space travel is impossible it's alllllll fake! vacuum means no pressure and no oxygen which directly means no thrust and no combustion not that combustion would help anyway as it's purpose is to create opposing pressure for thrust...

>>9501228
F =d(momentum)/dt
momentum∝mass

∴ when you throw gas out one side, you induce a force

>>9500545
His own money you funny son.

Hey don't feel so bad musk...
NASA 'canceled' all of their future missions as well, destroyed all the records of their achievements, and the technology to boot.

https://youtu.be/16MMZJlp_0Y?t=2s

https://youtu.be/pnzZyA3JdFk?t=15s

>>9501241
>throw gas
into a vacuum? the net force of doing that is 0

>>9501276
there is a force induced, this force moves the object. where does net force come into play?

also, why am I wasting my time with this anyways? you're either a troll or a single-digit-iq retard, so no one benefits in the end.

I'm out, cya

>>9489299
>There is literally no reason to explore the ocean when we already have everything provided to us by the island we live on. We need to stop fucking up our island instead of trying to find somewhere else

WE
WUZ
VOYAGERS

>>9489191
>we need mo'money for dem programs for da community
>how is tyrone sup'pose to eat when dem white peepull be dumpin money in space?

>>9489191
Eat shit and die.

Humanity is going to make it despite worthless dead weight like you.

“We were hunters and foragers. The frontier was everywhere. We were bounded only by the Earth, and the ocean, and the sky. The open road still softly calls. Our little terraqueous globe as the madhouse of those hundred thousand millions of worlds. We, who cannot even put our own planetary home in order, riven with rivalries and hatreds; Are we to venture out into space?

By the time we’re ready to settle even the nearest of other planetary systems, we will have changed. The simple passage of so many generations will have changed us. Necessity will have changed us. We’re… an adaptable species. It will not be we who reach Alpha Centauri and the other nearby stars. It will be a species very like us, but with more of our strengths, and fewer of our weaknesses. More confident, farseeing, capable, and prudent. For all our failings, despite our limitations and fallibilities, we humans are capable of greatness.

What new wonders, undreamed of in our time, will we have wrought in another generation? And another? How far will our nomadic species have wandered by the end of the next century? And the next millennium?

Our remote descendants, safely arrayed on many worlds through the solar system and beyond, will be unified by their common heritage, by their regard for their home planet, and by the knowledge that whatever other life there may be, the only humans in all the universe come from Earth.

They will gaze up, and strain to find the blue dot in their skies. They will marvel at how vulnerable the repository of raw potential once was. How perilous, our infancy. How humble, our beginnings. How many rivers we had to cross before we found our way.”
-- Carl Sagan

>>9489241
>>9493532
>space exploration is stupid because <______> needs money
This argument was used 50 years ago and look where it got us. Besides, it only makes sense for government spending, not for Elon Musk's personal decisions.

>>9489323
woudlnt you say the same to hollywood movies that cost millions of dollars for one shitty ass mediocre flick ? but scratch that even if the movie was a 10/10 that money could also go to feed the poor and muh healthcare bs.
stob being a cunt

looked pretty neat from the distance
https://www.twitch
.tv/videos/226489966?t=09m36s

>>9489565
Moon base>Mars
Moon actually has a practical use.

>>9489191
>t. niggercommie

>>9501349
>replying to bait from literal days ago that was already addressed

>>9489346
>genius
>contributions
the only thing he's contributed is money, business plans, and personality

he's a cool dude, but not because of his scientific or engineering contributions

>>9501410
>replying to a bait reply

>>9494304
>Electric cars do not help the environment.

these are the people who posts on /scI/

>>9502481
KYS YOU LITTLE FUCKING CUNT ILL RAPE YOU TO DEATH
AND SHIT ON YOUR FUCKING CORSPSE
DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!

>>9494454
'no'

>>9489191
explore the solar system vs keep a bumch of welfare leechers alive.

>>9502489
>Lithium mining causes absolutely toxic runoff
>Manufacturing car itself generally more energy intense than manufacturing a similar internal combustion car
>Generating electricity still mostly done by burning coal/fossil fuels

If we were mining asteroids for rare earth metals and using nuclear power for 80%+ of our electricity electric cars would absolutely be better. Today they aren't.

>>9501345
>https://youtu.be/zSgiXGELjbc
>A still more glorious dawn awaits...
I don't think it would be more than a few generations before the native, outside of a few terraboos, won't care about earth.
I mean I'm mostly of norwegian ancestry, and the family has maintained some old traditions (rosemalt errywhere) but I don't really care about the old country and im only a third generation american.

>>9502826

you are missing the point, we need to start transitioning to electric cars today if we want to have majority of electric cars decades from now.. global transport industry is huge and has great inertia, we cannot afford to wait until electricity is carbon neutral and shit

>>9502869
Power generation is more of a priority and impact than cars. It also has far more inertia and we are barely transitioning to something different.

You're literally putting the car before the horse.

>>9489191
Why does /sci/ keep falling for this b88?

>>9501345
>biting the b8
>HFY faggotry on /sci/
Cringe.

>>9502880

power generation certainly has less inertia than cars

you only need to build several centralized nuclear plants to make power generation carbon neutral

on the other hand, you need to replace millions of cars and build whole charging infrastructure to transition the transport industry

it is a larger problem than power generation and should be a priority

>>9503038
>power generation certainly has less inertia than cars

>Power plants have a lifespan of 50 years
>Cars have a lifespan of 10 years.

You're a retard and not worth arguing with.

>>9501345
Is that a girl or a boy?

>>9502826
>Lithium mining causes absolutely toxic runoff
So does oil extraction & processing.

>Manufacturing car itself generally more energy intense than manufacturing a similar internal combustion car
Sure.

>Generating electricity still mostly done by burning coal/fossil fuels
Thermal power stations have vastly better efficiency than internal combustion engines in cars. Break-even for electric vehicles requires little-to-no renewable energy.

>>9504962
You realize cars with internal combustion cars are being deliberately held back from being more efficient?

One idea I had (that has a research paper done on it) involved energy recapture using pressurized air. Was a significant boost in city driving for fairly little in terms of additional capital. But it's just not being done. We could easily double the efficiency of standard cars, but we don't because that's not what moneyed interests want.

>>9505283
Regardless of what efficiency is being "held back", a small scale portable engine will never be as efficient as a large scale plant with equivalent technology.

>>9505283
>cars with internal combustion cars
fucking recursive engines, man ...

>>9489175
>https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/960630695788990465

Anybody who took the cislunar announcement last year seriously is either a moron or a hopeless fanboi.

That was WAT to obviously a PR move to quash a rival announced flight.

>Muh secret anonymous passengers will be revealed later.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Well who can blame them, they can't really make money by going to the moon. They can make fucking bank if they just sell rocket launches to everybody else, so that's probably the plan.

>>9499590
>living in enclosed space and suits all your life
4chan and the internet in general prove that you're not right sir.

>>9503952
if you can't tell, you don't need to know

>>9499590
>humans are not meant to leave their mothers
It's 4chan all right.