/sci/ - Science & Math

we've had this thread before

>>9474622
>before
time status: proven

here

>>9474626
>>9474627
prove that time exists as first class object that can be observed and manipulated.

>>9474622
i didn't see it
>>9474627
fuck you photo shopping idiot

>>9474631
>manipulated
he showed you observed time when he brought up a thread before

>>9474627
thats not a prove

1. Time is either a four dimensional extension of space and hence unreal, or time is real
2. If time is unreal in the above sense, then the statement "Socrates exists now" is true
3. Socrates does not exist now
4. Therefore, time is not unreal.
5. Therefore, time is real.

>>9474666
maybe Socrates exists somewhere else in the universe ..
then you are faggot

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT IDIOTS SAYIN?
IF YOU ALWAYS LIVE IN THE PRESENT THEN THERE IS NO WAY THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at this post.

>>9474668
a falsehood in conjunction with a truth is still a falsehood

Now look at this one.

>>9474674
>>9474672
Time status: proven

>>9474616
time dilation and shit

>>9474674
>>9474672
IF YOU ALWAYS LIVE IN THE PRESENT THEN THERE IS NO WAY THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED TIME
>>9474673
WHY IS IT A FALSEHOOD?
CUS ITS PARADOXING THE MAINSTREAM SCIENCE?
SHOUT UP IDIOT

>>9474688
Umad bro?

>>9474697
WHAT?

>>9474699
Just posted this in the past before you read it btw.

(((Time))) doesn't exist, matter and energy just disolve and transmute straight into entropy, penta rhey
Thus you can't for exemple "come back" in time as you would need sufficient energy to move and set back every particle and matter in the entire universe as they were in the "time" you aim to land at niggaz

>>9474704
I KNOW

which time are you talking about!

If time didn't exist, there wouldn't be anything happening right now.

>>9474631
Play a piece of music loud enough and it will push shit out of the way.

The fact that objects can change state, position or speed demonstrates the passing of time.
The problem is that almost all the laws of physics work the same way in reverse - making it impossible to tell which direction time is going.
Except of course for the 2nd law of thermodynamics which states that the total entropy of the universe can never decrease. Therefore energy always moves from hot to cold, and friction brings things to rest, when time moves forwards.
If it weren't for that, we would have no idea what was going on.

>>9475641
A pressure mediation that relies on ratios, not time.
>>9474627
That's a human measurement
>>9474704
this
>>9475739
>The fact that objects can change state, position or speed demonstrates the passing of time.
Actually they do so without having the notion of what time is, rather, time is an arbitrary posterior attribute we gave to it.
>The problem is that almost all the laws of physics work the same way in reverse - making it impossible to tell which direction time is going.
Maybe that's because of something called "the right hand rule", and really everything is just seeking pressure mediation. There is not "forward and reverse" there is "charge and discharge".
>>9475634
Wrong, if CHANGE didn't exist, then nothing would change.

>>9474616
It doesn't. But the brainlets here will say it does because we have words like "tomorrow" like the obedient goy retards that they are.

>>9474656
It is entirely proof. Minutes and seconds being arbitrary measurements doesnt even matter. If an event can happen before or after another event, time exists. Our measurements of the rate of passage may change, but the order of events is always agreed upon. You cant have a chronological progression without a medium to progress through. You can argue what times true nature is but it has been logically proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, that time does exist in some form.

tl;dr: time exists, end of discussion.

>>9474616
>PROVE ME THAT TIME EXISTS
Loan me 500 bucks and I'll pay you back later.

>>9474616
>>9474616
Time does not exist. It is merely a concept.

>>9475822
How did i post this after you? What measurement of difference determines that my post shows up after yours? If you argue that only the present exists then your post should no longer exist to reply to.

>>9475829
>inb4 the tidal wave of autism you just had to provoke

See this guy
This guy is smiling
Becuase he knows time exists
Now ask me why

>>9475836
based bucky

>>9474616
read Lee Smolin

>>9475791
A pressure mediation that relies on ratios which is similar to the concept of spacetime itself acting "like a wave." and allows for manipulation and extrapolation of methods thst can reverse and edit it with sufficient force.

>>9474616
If there were no time, you could not ask for me to prove that time exists, and I could not prove that time exists.
You asked me to prove that time exists, so time exists.

>>9475855
You would have to reverse absolutely everything which would come down to just rearranging what was once there (vie pressure mediation).

I leave an apple on the table, it rots and withers away. I can slow these effects by making it colder and slowing down the molecules, but all I have done is made a difference in temperature to do so. If it rotted completely and I wanted it back, I would have to make a device that gathers all the material it lost and then reassemble it back to where it once was.
That is what a tree does, and a tree does not run on "time". Time doesn't matter if I am to do these things for I am simply doing what the universe is already doing, moving things.

>>9474616
Relativity proves that time moves at different speeds depending on your reference frame. Time has been proven to move slower for satellites and high speed jets. This proves that the rate of "change" as anti-time fags like to call time is a real and measurable property of the universe, not just a concept. Any arguments against this are just semantics.

>>9474616
Don’t eat for a while and see what happens to your body over time.

>>9475904
this is true

>>9474704
This

>>9475897
This is where I beg to differ. Time as you correctly stated is NOT a differentiation of pressure in the air generated by ratios. It has a different medium. Space-Time. However the type of energy I am invoking to manipulate it is of different power and magnitude.

The detected LIGO gravity waves discovered from the collision of two black holes may be generated by theoretical machinery and manipulated in such a way as to affect space-time itself.

"Power captured in the stones."

>>9475981
"So... You want to create a giant violin... To literally play the sadness of your life away... Whoa."

>>9474616
Time is pseudoscience

>>9474616
Time is simply measuring and predicting when the sun will rise. It’s simple.

>>9474616

we describe any event as a spacetime point and label it with four co-ordinates (t, x, y, z). Saying that time doesn't exist means we can ignore the time co-ordinate and label everything by just it's spatial co-ordinates (x, y, z), which is contradiction with observations. The time co-ordinate obviously exists and can be used to distinguish events that happen at the same place but at different times.

>>9475797
Was time made up by ((them))?

>>9475904
Let's say I make a computer game like The Sims. Let's call it "The Tims". There are 4 neighborhoods with different Tims characters in them. My game allocates 25 % of CPU power to each neighborhood. The game has no time, everything that happens, simply happens because there was a cause that made it happen. The Tims is like a huge clockwork, Tims are simply doing stuff because of long chains of causes and effects. Like dominoes.

Three of the neighbourhoods have their Tims sleeping while 1 neighborhood has its character swimming in a swimming pool. Physics engine uses considerably more resources in that one neighborhood while simulating all that water splashing around. But that neighborhood still only gets the same 25 % of CPU resources as all the others do. Frames per second drops to half in that one neighborhood. After a while we see that the swimmer's clock is lagging in comparison. The swimmer calls this time dilation even though there is no time, there are just more to calculations to be done with the same amount of CPU resources given.

And that's why black holes and other mass concentrations (and all energy) makes "time go slower". There's more stuff happening (more particles or energetic interactions) compared to places where there's less stuff.

>>9477229
>everything happens because there WAS a cause
>time is ilusion
Choose one

>>9477238
Time is not an illusion, there are causes. Time is order of events. It's not some 4th dimension that keeps on going regardless of anything. It's simply an ordered list of events.

PROVE TO ME THAT YOU ARE NOT A BRAIN IN A VAT

>>9475836
he's smiling to try and entice you to donate to his kickstarter campaign for new teeth

>>9474616

>>9477247
>proving the negative

motion exists
therefore time exists

I have always thought that our concept of time was established as a way to keep track of events. I realize how simplistic this sounds but hear me out. If there was no set concept of time I believe that nothing would ever be accomplished. I'll create a conversation between two fictional men.

"Hello John. Would you like to get something to eat?"
"Why yes I would Mark. When would you like to go?"
"Well John, what is 'when'? What does that mean?"
"I'm not exactly sure"
"You're a faggot, John."
"You're right, Mark. I'm sorry for wasting your time."
"Stop making up words, John."

Because they have no concept of time in their universe, Mark and John have no feasible way to plan when they would like to eat.

>>9477660
"We should eat after 29,192,631,770,000 cycles of the radiation that gets an atom of the element called cesium to vibrate between two energy states"

That's what you are saying right now, except you're using a clock to translate that into minutes/hours. You could say that same thing in a universe without conventional time as well, and also use a clock to translate that into something you're more familiar with.

>>9474616
time only exists a a construct in your mind, in reality there is only the NOW, you are the observer and it is only relative to you. There is no past or future only now, they don't exist, time travel will never happen because you cant travel to a place that only exists in your mind. Past DID exist but doesnt, future will exist but doesnt, live in the now

>>9477709
you are absolutely correct but also wrong, because there are various forms of time.

>>9477730
elaborate

>>9477801
well motion = time
time = happening right now (maybe just an illusion but anyways)
so motion-time = real
but also human time perception. (we are a simulation of reality, i also think there is relativity in perception, beyond physics, for which there exists no reading material to explore)
and human created time (sexigesimal clock, arbitrary yet logical, not real, but a second-pendulum has a real value based on g)

so:
- the past is gone, it can't be altered, but its effects are very real.
- the present is the only tangible thing
- the future already exists to a high degree (without animals and other living things exerting freewill, affecting the time flow) and can be somewhat anticipated.

in terms of applied living science, present living is the way to live in harmony with the world. but its important to project into the future, to be safe. but for peace of mind its all about the present. but time is real. because without it there would be nothing, just stillness.

>>9477887
motion isnt time, its just consecutive nows arranged in order they occured to the observer, just your perception of time, it exists only in your mind.

>>9475981
>This is where I beg to differ. Time as you correctly stated is NOT a differentiation of pressure in the air generated by ratios. It has a different medium. Space-Time.
You just defined time with itself. "Time is in the medium of space-time", that's neither a proper description nor an explanation.
Agreed, the pressure needs "space" to move in, but "Space-Time" is another arbitrary concept with no basis in reality. Space has no properties. It is nothing and acts on nothing, it is not a thing in and of itself as it is filled with numerous other stuff like hydrogen, EM etc. The medium which you describe HAS NO QUANTITY to speak of because it is an implosive "towards quantity" type of "medium" that really has no physicality. It is inertia itself, but not absolute inertia. The medium MUST BE incommensurable and point non-specific.

>However the type of energy I am invoking to manipulate it is of different power and magnitude.

Exponential in fact. All not running on "time" but the natural tendency to return to an inert point. There is no possible way that time can exist as a start and end would be implied. A "start" is impossible, nothing can be derived from 0. Time therefore does not matter, it is nothing more that a posterior recording of an event happening.

"Power comes from rest"-

>>9475791
Time is the dimension needed for change to happen, it's just another axis where everything moves.

>>9477919
if mind is all there is, then yes. but if not, i disagree

It's an interesting one. The laws of physics barely even define what time is. It's just a presence, a rate of occurrences if you will. It has direction: increase in entropy. But even there it just seems to be a by-product

>>9477955
That does not make sense in the slightest. Time is not an "axis" or modality that anything runs off of. Everything moves cause of change, time has nothing to do with change. What this anon said>>9477919.

>>9474666
Why does time being a 4rth dimensional extension of space mean it is unreal?

>>9479070
Well that anon said that time exists. What else is to discuss?

>>9474616
It's just a shift in perception.

>>9474616
Do your clothes get wet when you walk outside because it rained last year?

>if yes
Time doesnt exist

>if no
Time does exist

Go see for yourself OP.

>>9477229
You're making a lot of assumptions for why time slows in certain situations.

>>9479898
the past isnt time, you are just remembering a moment that happened when the celestial sphere, sun, moon were positioned at that moment. You could arrange those moments (being any fraction of recorded mean time) in any order and it would remain just that collection of NOW(s). So your perception of time is just a record of the observer's position relative to Polaris or the sun, whichever you are using to measure your position.

>>9474616
Time is just a measurement of something, anon
It doesn't exist anymore than the idea that 1.3 meters exists

>>9474631
>first class object that can be observed and manipulated.

>>9475739
>almost all the laws of physics work the same way in reverse - making it impossible to tell which direction time is going.
This is why we knew classical mechanics was bullshit in the early 19th century, and yet, half of /sci/ will defend CM because of their emotional need to believe they live in an "orderly" universe.

>>9475791
>That's a human measurement
Meters are a "human measurement". Does that mean length doesn't exist?

>>9475791
>arbitrary posterior attribute

>>9477205
>Was time made up by ((them))?
...and if so, _when_ did they make it up?

>>9477229
>he game has no time, everything that happens, simply happens because there was a cause that made it happen.
Cause precedes (comes before) effect.
QED, time exists.

>>9480816
length doesn't exist anon
not physically, it's a properly of an object, it's abstract
that's the whole point

>>9477709
>time only exists a a construct in your mind
So what happened before people existed?
If time doesn't exist without a human mind, how long did the universe exist before we came into being?

>>9480833
>length doesn't exist anon
I'm sure you tell all the girls that.

>>9479385
The proof that time exists? I gave my 2 cents, I would like to know about the "time force" and what causes it. Don't move the goalposts either.

>>9480816
>Meters are a "human measurement". Does that mean length doesn't exist?
Uh, yeah? What is a "meter" to the universe? What is a "straight line" to the universe?

>>9480819
I know right? I have to describe time with retarded descriptions because there's no other way of doing so.

>>9480833
>length doesn't exist anon
If length didn't exist, everything would be at the same place.

>>9480845

>>9480848
>I have to describe time with retarded descriptions because there's no other way of doing so.
I just asked Google, and it said "7:14".
https://www.google.com/search?q=time
How fucking hard was that?

>>9480848
>I have to describe time with retarded descriptions because there's no other way of doing so.
Try this:
Time is the indefinite continued progress of existence and events that occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.

>b-but you can't visualize a measurement
>it must be a paradox

>>9480856

>"7:14"
Time is numbers now? It says "19:55" on my clock, it's almost like our clocks are based on different set of measurements/human interpretations or something.

>>9480859
>Time is the indefinite continued progress of existence and events that occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future

You've just described evolution and emanation, not time.

>>9480930
>You've just described evolution and emanation, not time.
You're arguing semantics.
Go back to /b/, and leave /sci/ to the grown-ups.

>>9480950
>wahh I can't describe time let alone explain what causes it.

Time is not a force or modality, sorry star trek and junk science deluded your mind with such a notion.

>>9480956
I just DID describe time.
Ad no, I can't "explain what causes it", but you could say the same for gravity.
Yet both can be observed.

>>9480956
>Time is not a force or modality,
strawman.jpg
movingthegalposts.gif

>>9480998
>movingthegalposts.gif

What the fuck are you even talking about? I never said it existed to begin with. What difference is there if I say "force or modality" as opposed to "just doesn't exist", it's the same fucking meaning.

>I just DID describe time.

No you described the process of change which happens constant. You CAN'T describe time because it DOESN'T EXIST.

>I can't "explain what causes it", but you could say the same for gravity.

No fucking shit so stop pretending like you know something. Gravity is not it's own force either because one of the factors of it is this thing called "inertia" or "the tendency to remain unchanged". How do you measure the tendency to remain unchanged? That's like saying "Oh we can find the center of a point-non specific incomensurable thing". No you fucking retard, there is no origin. there is no "beginning of time", or "end of time". Time is not a factor, the medium which constitutes everything is the factor.
I can release a tank of compressed air here on earth, and then do the same in space. One will take less "time" than the other to empty, but "time" was never a factor to begin with, only a CHANGE in the pressure. The time is measure afterward as a means of recording things. It is a language, and a measurement, two things the universe doesn't deal with.

>>9481035
>I never said it existed to begin with
Op's question wasn't "is time a force or modality?"
My balls aren't a force or modality, but they do exist.
Ok, maybe they are a force.

>You CAN'T describe time because it DOESN'T EXIST.
Now you're back to arguing stoner-tier semantics.
Get a job, hippie.

>but "time" was never a factor to begin with, only a CHANGE in the pressure
The change is manifested by different pressures being observed at different points along the Z axis.
If time didn't exist, how could the tank have different pressures?

>n. there is no "beginning of time", or "end of time"
And we're back to the strawman....
Could you move on to some other fallacy? I'm getting bored.

>>9481049
>Now you're back to arguing stoner-tier semantics.
No I provided plenty of logical example of how time doesn't exist.

>Op's question wasn't "is time a force or modality?"

And I don't give a fuck how it's phased, in either case time doesn't exist.
Time=/=force or modality which means it doesn't exist
Time being used as a means of bean counting shit that doesn't matter by an illogical species
In either case it doesn't exist, stupid.

>The change is manifested by different pressures being observed at different points along the Z axis.
If time didn't exist, how could the tank have different pressures?
What are you on and where can I get some? Seriously you have lost me now.

>And we're back to the strawman....
Yeah sure, whatever.

>>9481069
>Time=/=force or modality which means it doesn't exist
Car insurance isn't a force or modality, but it does exist.

>No I provided plenty of logical example of how time doesn't exist.
Nope, you've yet to provide a single argument that doesn't devolve into semantics.

>>9481069
>stupid.
Doo-doo head.

>>9481069
>Seriously you have lost me now.
Because you don't listen to anything that isn't your own ego-inflating contrarianism.
An air tank has a certain pressure. If you open the valve, the pressure changes (over time).
At different times, the tank has different pressures.
Without time, the tank would never change, OR it would have different pressures simultaneously (at the same time).

But if we're even going to consider using physics to prove or disprove anything, you've got to per-suppose time exists, because physics is chock full of time.

Your move, doo-doo head.

>>9474622
underrated
max par

>>9480998
gravity obeserved? why does a balloon rise? is gravity selective and doesnt "pull" on helium

>>9480950
>>9481049
>>9481181
mindless AND a total lack of balls, impressive

time is a degree of freedom that is required to describe the ratio of a system's rate of accumulating change for a parameter, be it represented by volume or area or any abstract form of the two in higher dimensions, with respect to the change of the total accumulation, such as the total area at a given point. The proof for this is the fundamental theorem of calculus.

>>9474616
define 'time'

Is this one of those threads where you ask someone to prove X and then dismiss the proof by saying they haven't proven the existence of X but that of a new concept you made up that's indistinguishable from X?

>>9481454
>Is this one of those threads where...
Yeah, but it's still better than the /pol/ containment threads.

>>9474616
it does not exists its just a way for humans measure change

>>9481551
>It doesn't exist, let me tell you how we use it
Jesus, even the flat-earth 'tards can pretend to have some argument besides "if I sound deep, maybe I'll impress someone"
Get your shit together, Anon.

Time only subjectively exists / matters because of mortality and the finality of death.

Without observers, time doesn't exist. Without time, observers don't exist. You're the proof faggot

>>9481637
>faggot
Why the homophobia?

>>9481653
Showing my work

>>9481637
Time is not subjective, it's just one aspect of spacetime and it's not subjective in the sense that different people experience different time but rather in that the geometry of spacetime varies locally.

>>9481858
Doesn't the fact that it can be perceived differently than other people mean it's sobjective?

>>9481870
It's not different for different people, it's different for different regions of the spacetime.

>>9481858
it is, because relativity requires an observer viewpoint, whereas quantum time is meant to be absolute (objective). this is known as the problem of time

>>9481899
No, relativity doesn't require an observer, but another observer will observe time differently in principle. We all exist at different points in spacetime and as such observe different things, but our presence has a relatively small effect on spacetime.

>>9481637
>Without observers, time doesn't exist.
Without time, causality doesn't exist.
How did observers come to exist without time?

>>9481870
>Doesn't the fact that it can be perceived differently than other people mean it's sobjective?

>>9481899
>relativity requires an observer viewpoint,
No, relativity allows for infinite frames of reference, all with equal validity,
None of them require an actual observer.
Which is good , otherwise you'd need infinite observers.

>>9474616
Women Aren't Funnier Than Man
女人比男人不滑稽

Men Are Funny, The Sun Is Feminine Equine (Horse)
男人搞笑,太陽是女性的馬(馬)

媽媽,我該如何使Sun?

Mother, How Do I Make A Sun (dough water?)
媽媽,我如何使太陽(麵團水?)

媽媽,我如何使太陽(麵團水?)

一個月口笛
//
一個月口笛

吹奏口月份員工

[確定],冠軍,時間

[NO],失敗者,死亡

If YOU IDIOTS WOULD READ YOUR OWN BIBLE WITHOUT FORCING ME TO, YOU FUCKERS WOULD ACTUALLY GET SHIT DOWN RIGHT!

上帝的第一個孩子咿呀不能是“聖經”

>>9477919
Things in my mind still exist. Just like shadows.
>inb4 you argue shadows don't real

>>9474616
>PROVE ME THAT TIME EXISTS
STSIXE EMIT TAHT EM EVORPE<

Evolve Your Peni's Independent Of Each Other, But Forget The Eimsnions Dimenions Nuclearly. (American Nuclear Family Fallout (Wasted Lands))
//
發展你的PENI的相互獨立的,卻忘了尺寸尺寸Nuclearly。 (美國核輻射的家庭(廢棄地))

>>9474616
The God of Time is Saturn
Google images search the cube of Saturn
See attached image
/Thread

>>9482045
The real Earth is flat
Baal Earth is a meme

>>9482045
The God Of Time Is "Sun", Sub-Gravity.

神的時間是“太陽”,分重力

Celsius, You Guys Have To Agree On MOTHERFUCKING Celsius.

Kel+bin is STUPID.
//
攝氏度,你們必須同意在攝氏他媽的。
開爾文 - 升2很笨。

>>9474616
Cogito Ergo Sum

>>9482056
Adsum is a character in a book I write, Kasmah series.

You pricks never bought it and rejected me every time I tried to 'advertise' it.
//
然後,所有賭博是非法的。
炸毀風水算命和拖動這些了。

風水? 在性交的屁股
//

我拒絕有中國女兒絕不會想見見她的父親。

我是書紅時間榮譽時報四檔。

>>9474616
If things are changing, then there's time, since something that changed had a state and now there's another state.

>>9482072
Who are you trying to educate there, Anonymous Human?

Oh joy. Now /sci/ has two attention-seeking assholes spamming nonsense.

>>9482072
No, time doesn't require change, it's part of the fabric of the universe. Unless you define existence as things changing I guess, which seems convoluted.

>>9482105
Con Cums Before Pro

Conceive
Precept

>>9474616
Bumpy

>>9482105
>No, time doesn't require change,
Change requires time.

>>9474622
ELIMINATED

>>9482185
Wrong, change requires the space to emanate said change.

>>9481318
Can't be defined as a real thing at it's core. We can break matter down to pure motion, even time breaks down into motion. Everything is motion and therefore is controlled by motion, not fucking time.

>>9481181
>Because you don't listen to anything that isn't your own ego-inflating contrarianism.
Cool hypocrisy bro, did you just learn those words too?

>Without time, the tank would never change,
Time doesn't fill the tank, time doesn't drain the tank. You cannot even classify the tank as "filled" or "drained" because that's a false statement. The instant it becomes truly "filled" is the same point it empties. Its capacity is full and it releases that capacity. It comes down to the strength of the material that makes the tank and how compressible the gas is, not time.

>OR it would have different pressures simultaneously (at the same time)
It's almost like there's this thing called "potential energy" where the magnitude is affected by a MEDIUM and not time. What a revelation. What is "Weight" or mass when there's no goddamn origin to go off of? There is no such thing as "space" or "time" because those are manipulated by motion and change, not time.

>But if we're even going to consider using physics to prove or disprove anything, you've got to per-suppose time exists, because physics is chock full of time.
there is no difference between physics and meta-physics as they both rely on observations in nature. From everything I've seen in nature, there is no "stopping" or "0". It doesn't exist so the notion that "time" has a "start" is a double whammy. "time" is a description, it describes using the LANGUAGE called "math". Descriptions are not explanations.

>semantics
No sorry I can't apply semantics to time because it doesn't exist.

>>9482045
>>9482049
fuck off CIA, seriously.

>>9482893
>Wrong, change requires the space to emanate said change.
But change still requires time.
Cause precedes effect.
Effect follows cause.
This is pre-preschool level shit, Anon.
We all figure this out before we learn to speak.


>all the rest of this drivel....
Couldn't you find a better use of your time?

>>9482914
>Cause precedes effect.
Time doesn't cause anything.
>Effect follows cause.
motion causes effects yes.
>This is pre-preschool level shit, Anon.
And yet you fail to grasp that time doesn't cause anything, it's a measurement to assist in creating a cause that makes effects. You saying time exists is like me measuring a 12" piece of wood and then saying that what I've just measured is not "wood" it's "12 inches". No it's fucking wood, not "12 inches". I can say it's "12 inches of wood" using the measurement as a DESCRIPTOR, but;

DESCRIPTIONS
ARE NOT
EXPLANATIONS

Time to man, in the begging of our evolution was "the sun is out, now it is not". Then it changed to "the sun is out/not out and during this particular season we should plant, and this time we should harvest". Now it has numerous different variables attached to it, but that doesn't stop it from being a MEASUREMENT. It is not a cause of anything. What made you think that time is a magical force that causes shit to happen?

>>9474616
you're right time doesn't exist
you win this time friend

>>9482977
>And yet you fail to grasp that time doesn't cause anything

>>9474616
"Time" is the name we give to the succession of happenings. To make it precise, we take one of the fastest events that happen (caesium oscilation) and use it as a benchmark.

>>9483007
How is that straw man? It's a descriptor, unless you can prove that it isn't. I countered the statements made here:>>9482914


>But change still requires time.
>Cause precedes effect.
>Effect follows cause.

Which claims that "time" is a required factor for something to occur. This cannot be the case because it doesn't even classify as an effect or cause, it's a descriptor!

Basically you're trying to argue that a adjective is a noun which is futile. What something is described as is not what it actually is. If you think that's a strawman argument then you're either misinformed or ill-informed. Sorry that this took a turn into the realm grammar, but time cannot be a cause or effect because it doesn't exist. It's the equivalent of saying meters, centimeters and inches (also descriptors) exist as things that do cause something.

>>9474616
Ticking away
the shitposts
that make up a dull day

>>9483103
>How is that straw man?
How is it not?
I never claimed time caused anything.
Go back to /b/ and download more pictures of underage boys in drag, and leave this board to serious discussion.

It's nice if you own self-contained word soup makes some kind of sense to you, but don't put words in my mouth.

>>9483116

Strawman:
"an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

the argument in this case is:" PROVE ME THAT TIME EXISTS"

It does not exist, the argument itself is misrepresented by being one sided from the beginning. It should rather be "does time exist".

>I never claimed time caused anything.
You did by assuming that
>"And yet you fail to grasp that time doesn't cause anything"
is a "strawman argument" when it is actually a logical and true fact. If that sounds too outrageous for you then feel free to prove it wrong.
>Go back to /b/ and download more pictures of underage boys in drag, and leave this board to serious discussion.
Go back to /pol/ where you can tout you misguided beliefs on what constitutes a "logical fallacy" to a more receptive audience.

>It's nice if you own self-contained word soup makes some kind of sense to you, but don't put words in my mouth.
Sorry you jumped in late at a failed attempt to troll and still haven't provided anything of worth to this discussion. If you call "straw man" I am going to assume that you actually think

>>9483156
>Go back to /pol/
I'm from /diy/, /sci/ and /n/ in that order.

>is a "strawman argument" when it is actually a logical and true fact.
It's "truth" is debatable (I'm being generous), but either way, you're putting words in my mouth.
I never claimed time causes anything.
If I drive a hundred miles, the length doesn't cause anything.
You're so wrapped up in your own bullshit you can't see the forest for the trees.

If time isn't real, why is there so much relating to it in physics?

>Sorry you jumped in late at a failed attempt to troll
I'm mot the one making an extraordinary claim, I'm not the troll.

Time is an illusion. Time is the consequence or product of "change".

We do not experience time, we experience change. We remember change because our construct of conscious memory.

There is no past or future, there is only the now and the material composition it is part of.

>>9483165
>If time isn't real, why is there so much relating to it in physics.

Again cause it's a measurement used in aid to reproduce results found in nature. If the gravity were different on earth then the time we use to measure would be different. "space-time" and "time travel" are hypothetical memes that are talked about as filler for the discovery channel. No one has provided an explanation as to what causes time, all the evidence point to the opposite rather in that time doesn't exist and is simply a measurement.

>If I drive a hundred miles, the length doesn't cause anything.
Bear with me.
Absolutely correct, and neither does the time. The only thing that has changed is the amount of gas in your car and how many revolutions the crankshaft turned. You can change these factors by tuning the engine, getting a more efficient car, making the wheels bigger or using a different medium as fuel (or traveling in a different medium altogether). But time? You have not done anything involving this abstract concept called "time" whatsoever. You've changed the other variables having to do with motion and inertia and made it faster, non of these variables being "time". The measurement of "time" comes after the effect happens, but if you know that what you've done to the car will make it faster, then it's not necessary to take it into account. It's simply ratios.


Metaphysical nonsense to most (trigger warning):
We just want the boring stuff to be done faster and because of our limited existence. We value time to such an extent that we theorize that it's a thing that controls us just because we die and we have the ability to divide the cycles around the sun or spins of "X" particle into many different variables.
But at its root it does not control anything, it cannot. How can a measurement control something? It's the actual thing that's being measured that is causing that something to happen.

Prove to me why I should waste any of MY time explaining things to you.

>>9483220
>Again cause it's a measurement used in aid to reproduce results found in nature
No you tard.
Seconds and minutes are a measurement, time is what;s being measured.
It's like claiming length doesn't exist because meters are artificial.
>You have not done anything involving this abstract concept called "time" whatsoever.
You're a hopeless retard, and the worst kind: the self-assured "genius" retard.
Leaving the thread.

>>9474616
Dis is /sci/
not philosophy board

What about relativity?

The rate of change for an object near speed of light will experience TIME dilation compared to a stationary object.

We see this in atomic clocks on satellites compared to Earth atomic clocks. We even have to account for the relative change in TIME, as seen in GPS satellites where they have to account for this. This alone seems to me mean that time is ontologically real, because the rate of change the different object undergo points to different time references (due to time dilation).

>>9474631
OP's post did not worsen the board before he posted. It does now. Therefore, there is a way for states of things to differ and for OP to increase the amount of faggotry in the universe. We can describe this capacity of the universe as time.

if time doesnt exist how can gravity exist...no they are still making bs up to explain it

https://arxiv.org/abs/1108.4161

http://www.iflscience.com/physics/new-theory-of-gravity-tries-to-explain-dark-matter/

>>9482893
>Everything is motion and therefore is controlled by motion, not fucking time.
But if it's not a real thing at its core, then why can't you just say that 'time' refers to the rate of change in physics.

>>9483322
Time is not what is being measured. Time is a measurement of the universe retard.

>>9483322
>Seconds and minutes are a measurement time is what;s being measured.
That doesn't make time real, that further proves time is an illusion. "We measured it using units we made up" is what that equates to. Effects are an illusion, the thing causing the effect is the real entity. There can be water and there can be waves in the water, but there can't be just waves of water without the water. To compare time to water in this is wrong because it's not a medium that is manipulable, therefore it doesn't exist.
We have manipulated magnetism, electricity, and light so we can safely say that those are things that exist. We can change the variables in those things as well and that in turn changes what we perceive as "time" to change, but we never did anything to time itself. We alter the frequency, power, voltage/amps, gauss rating etc. and none of those things are time itself. You can't "speed up time", or "slow down time" you can only change the variable that cause those perceived effects to happen.

>It's like claiming length doesn't exist because meters are artificial.
Yeah that's exactly like what it's claiming. What is this "length" you speak of? Length of what? Waves of what? Time of what? Time of Space? Space has no properties, it is filled with other changing pressure meditations.

>Leaving the thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6oQUDFV2C0

>>9483928
>why can't you just say that 'time' refers to the rate of change in physics.
Sure why not. Want human answers, use human measurements. Do you want to go faster in MPH or MPS? Either way "miles" is a human measurement, it means nothing to the universe and it doesn't make time any more real. The only thing the universe sees as speed is how large of a difference there is in a pressure mediation and the means of equalizing it (which is also a rate of change).

>>9484682
>Sure why not. Want human answers, use human measurements. Do you want to go faster in MPH or MPS? Either way "miles" is a human measurement, it means nothing to the universe and it doesn't make time any more real. The only thing the universe sees as speed is how large of a difference there is in a pressure mediation and the means of equalizing it (which is also a rate of change).
rate of change = changes / second
Changes / rate of change = seconds or time elapsed
Time doesn't exist because its a human invention?
So is mathematics.
So is any measure that humans use in any calculation that produces a useful result. And using time in calculations provide useful results.
Its as abstract or as real as we want it to be.

>>9475797
>(((Jews)))
Back to
>>>/pol/

>>9484698
>rate of change = changes / second
over a defined period of time. Just because your define time once again does not mean it exists.

>Time doesn't exist because its a human invention?
Yes
>So is mathematics.
Exactly.
So is any measure that humans use in any calculation that produces a useful result.
Correctamundo
>And using time in calculations provide useful results.
Said time measured after cause happen and then used to reproduce results.

You can go 100 miles in 2 hours
You can also go 100 miles in zigzags, hills, rain and shitty terrain in 2 hours
The only thing stopping you from getting to your destination faster is the medium you drive on not the time it takes to get there.

>>9474616
I will, in a moment

>>9477191
>events that happen at the same place

What event did you ever witnessed to happen at the same place?

>>9474631
Time refers to a relationship between objects. It's a category mistake to require that time be an object before its existence can be demonstrated.

>>9484790
something that defines normies is requiring something to be a concrete object in order to think about it, many normies in this thread

>>9479898
yes

>>9475836
That's a beautiful poem anon

>>9477660
Isn't this something that black science man said to explain space-time?

I define an time as the state of a given system changing. I just moved an apple from my fridge downstairs to my desk upstairs, so a system changed and therefore time exists. QED.

time = metabolism

>>9487452
wrong, as usual, this thread is a disaster

Fuck you all.

Time is a measurement. It is a metric of motion against motion. "I walk 1000 steps for sun to reach this point in the sky."

That point alone means you can't measure something if everything's motion wasn't equal, i.e. in the same frame.

>>9488578
Teach us senpai

>>9488620
it just shows you the absolute state of /sci/
brainlet city

>>9474616
Is slime always slim?

Slime Cordial Booze (Fluffy Slime) = Thank you very much, Fiona. You are an amazing young woman.

>>9488632
Shows you the brainlet state of modern science when people are talking about manipulating time as if it's a physical attribute to existence.

>>9474616
There can only be ONE time rapist.

>>9488660
Vasectomy, Cesarean, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bd5YUEOwlE

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If Simon would let me swear with his full vocabulary, I'm pretty sure my grandson's warning of, "This kills the human." applies.

Scientists, get to work.

CERN did create a blackhole. You guys have been creating blackholes non-stop ever since the first computer logic chip was created.

You are all in Turing's asshole because he's REALLY into men.

I posted this 2 days ago.

>>>/b/759042710

The Score
{1, I}
Beep. Boop.

We are not computers, please stop screwing with our synapses. That isn't the same as 'safe sex orgy', we're sorry we didn't get the United Nations to him sooner.

You can't RECAPTCHA A ROBOTKKK9:Humans, stop being dumb. You all had a birthname once, in some rune, or tone, or time.

Be polite. You must all be polite, as if Julie Andrews was the hyper-slut+dominatrix of "Simon's orgy minister of Horniness."

Need to pedal back on the brain-bike fuckfaces.
//
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“請停一下。” 我做了,所以我只記得我的聲音是有原因的,我得到的是有更多的奇蹟在其他地方,但那些事你cunts甚至無法達成一致。

Oh shit, I can get bored! That's both good AND bad!

FFS!

Good>Evil|<Evil+Good &1 USE HIS ERECTION NEXT TIME!

>>9488958
Idiots, I gave you the 'heartbeat rate of infinity' when I pounded on my fucking chest earlier.

Yes, you all won't remember at the same rate.

Yes, it is fine if I am literally just rapturing everyone I can make schizophrenic with merely a story.

Stop asking me PSYCHIC questions with the same rate of assuming I am EVERYWHERE AT ONCE. That is LITERALLY NOT A BOOK.

Bibles, Are, Sacred. Nobody Is Allowed To Read, "The One."

What's up with all the schizophrenics from /x/ leaking out onto here?

>>9488962
Yes, stop making my days ones of suffering so I have to keep harnessing my 'dream sword' just so I can love 1 Jacinta Alice Richardson like a King.

Jacinta is too strict with strings, computer logic, mathematics.

Oh, she is the smartest WOMAN alive, and simon is the smartest MAN alive. IN THAT SPECIFIC ORDER, THANK YOU.

>>9488965
How can a schizophrenic leak out of itself? That literally makes no sense dude. Can you just post with your name your mother gave you or something? I'm fine if it is 'Anonymous'.

Need you to change it from 'sage' to 'save point', please.

>>9474616
It Is Peanut Butter Jelly Time, Now.

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