/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9480259
the gravities so shit it's basically not worth it tbqh.

>>9480263
Rotating habitats can be built. Low gravity is an advantage due to low escape velocity.

>>9480259
>implying terraforming Titan isn't an even bigger meme

>>9480290
How is it a meme if barely anyone talks about it? It's the only body in the solar system where you don't need a pressure suit.

>>9480259
Terraforming is a brainlet meme. You can build millions of times as much living area in space habitats.

But terraforming Titan is an even bigger meme. It's a ball of voltatiles, if you try to terraform it it will simply evaporate.

>>9480259
The best parts of Titan are what make it inhospitable.
>Thick atmosphere, low gravity makes going to and from orbit easy
>low temperature, thick atmosphere make industrial and computational work very efficient
I imagine a future in which Titan is colonized, with gigantic server farms and factories run on the surface, controlled remotely by technicians in orbital rotating habitats.

>>9480307
>low temperature, thick atmosphere make industrial and computational work very efficient
Very good point. That atmosphere is a perfect heat sink.

>>9480326
Don't forget the Landauer Limit.

>>9480259
Titan keeps it's atmosphere only because it's cold. It'd just blow away if the molecules moved faster.
It's a little smaller and a little less massive than Ganymede, no atmosphere, equilibrium temp 173 K
Titan's equilibrium temp is 128 K.

>>9480259
No. Terraforming is almost always incredibly stupid. The only planets that we could meaningfully terraform in a way that is marginally not retarded are mercury and venus.
Titan will be turned into a computational center. Cold is it's greatest strength.

>>9480393
>Mercury
even if you somehow managed to get an atmosphere around that planet, wouldn't the 3/2 resonance fuck with the weather systems something fierce?

>>9480393
Terraforming Venus seems pretty straightforward - just introduce shitton on water. But what's your reasoning for Mercury?
Surely there's no way it could keep atmosphere.

Undeniable solar system wide colonization truths:

Mercury: Solar powered bases in craters, never going to get an atmosphere. Already has magnetosphere. (6/10, doable)

Venus: Would need to smash 1000s of comets into in order to chemically alter it enough to be viable. Otherwise, great location. (2/10)

Earth: Good atmosphere, has magnetosphere (that's a plus), infested with shitty native life forms that will be impossible to remove desu. (3/10)

Moon: Almost the same as earth minus an atmosphere and magnetism. (3.5/10)

Mars: Terraforming will be difficult but bretty good to be desu. I recommend nuking the atmosphere to warm it up and then installing CFC synthesis plants to maintain the green house. (7/10)

Asteroid belt: Lots of locations to set up but can't even keep itself together. Jupiter's litter box. (1/10)

Jupiter: Not even solid. (3.5/10)

Titan: I can see this planet being a lot of fun because colonists would constantly be huffing fumes. Nice and cool too. Good sweater weather. Elon's super-computer-VR-porn-server-room. (8.9/10)

Europa: tbqh desu we already have a whole antarctica. (4/10)

Saturn: The flatness of it's ring might make it a good place to establish a second flat earth in the future. I like it and it is a good hue of yellow. (Easy 10/10) Probably has magnets.

Everything else: Literal garbage, would not colonize. Except Neptune and Uranus. (Maybe pluto too)

Venus is fucking shit and you all know it. Way too much atmosphere, and that problem is pretty much impossible to fix. How the fuck are you going to reduce the pressure?

And so what if you can build balloon cities? What the fuck are you gonna do 100km up? There is no reason to be there.

Honestly, the only place in the solar system that's not a meme is Titan, and that's because it offers the unique benefit of a thick, cold atmosphere, to be used as a heat sink for massive supercomputers.

>>9480494
Surprisingly accurate.
Mercury vs Mars wars when?

>>9480494
You ignore the lack of a magnetosphere on mars and also ignore the trojans.
7/10

>>9480415
>Surely there's no way it could keep atmosphere.
Correct.

>But what's your reasoning for Mercury?
Because it's mars except hot and you get to avoid faggots advocating the blatant waste of resources for a few thousand years of a shitty meme.

>>9480259
>Terraforming Mars has became a meme
Lrn2meme fgt pls

>>9480639
> faggots
Why the homophobia?

>>9480494
>hurr durr no terraform no colonize
What a fucking brainlet post. Trillions of people can live in the solar system for billions of years if we learn to make space habitats. Within a few generations nobody will give a shit about planets.

>>9480263
>he doesn't like flying of his own power
Fag.

>>9482004
Literally impossible.

Can we make suits that insulate you enough from an atmosphere as dense and as cold as Titan's?
Seems pretty tricky.

>>9482009
>free rocks filled with minerals
>dig one out, inflate it and spin it up
>impossible

Its better to leave Titan as it is and use the cold environment for computers.

>>9480259
Gravity is important for fetus gestation, less gravity could lead to deformities.

>>9482030
So you just want to colonize asteroids. Gotcha.

>>9482127
Is it still a deformity if it's just a natural adaptation to the local environment?

Why don't we colonize interior of Greenland first? It's some 1000-10000 times cheaper too.

>>9480259
Terraforming is a vanity project.
It's far more efficient to create artificial habitats in space, perhaps connected to dwarf planets like Ceres for resources.
Terraforming takes too much time, wastes too many resources and in the end you still have a planet you can't really settle.
I can envision terraforming happening but not for colonization but perhaps to create a statement or life for life's existence itself.

>>9480494
good post desu. i will help you make a space mongol empire

>>9483282
people are vain creatures and can't keep a government stable enough not to fuck up life support systems. we can't even stop ourselves from fucking up earth.

>>9483279
inuit will kill us all with attack seals

>>9480494
>that pic

>>9480494
this

>>9483282
Yeah, why not. For all we know, Earth may be the only planet in the universe harboring life, however unlikely it sounds. It should be our duty to do our best securing the continued existence of life in the universe.

>>9480639
Dude we could build a railroad tracks around Mercury and put a whole city on it that would eternally escape the inferno of the sunny side and that would be so poetic and artistic and human spirit and whatnot and would give beautiful birth to a beautiful new mercurian culture

>>9480301
This.
We only assume terraforming to be natural due to science fiction, science fiction only assumes it to be natural because most science fiction / fantasy is simply taking very familiar elements and adding a new 'skin'. We live on Earth, so we assume we'll change planetary bodies to be like Earth. There is literally no reason to 'terraform', like, ever. Outside of Earth, we will only ever live in space stations and other habitats (on planetary bodies). We can even add very Earth-like elements to these, with gardens, dirt/grass, and such. Terraforming is basically impossible except to a slight degree, on certain planetary bodies.

>>9483467
wtf i want to be mercurian now

>>9483953
>There is literally no reason to 'terraform', like, ever.
This faggot has never heard of matryoshka shell worlds.

>Terraforming is basically impossible except to a slight degree, on certain planetary bodies.
See above.

>>9483953
>"We only assume terraforming to be natural due to science fiction assumes it to be natural because most science fiction / fantasy is simply taking very familiar elements and adding a new 'skin'."

That's one of the sad truths about Science Fiction, it it ultimately setting us up for disappointment.

>>9483467

You could say it's a Mercurial culture, always changing, always moving on, fleeing into the future.

>>9480259
>has became a meme

>>9484026
It was always a meme, we just learned enough about mars to learn that it was a meme.

>>9484901
Well I guess some colonization of Mars is possible, domed cities, lava tubes, even perhaps pressurerizing some canyon and making it habitable.
But whole terraforming of the planet seems unlikely in the human future, maybe in posthuman if just do it for kicks and spreading life.
I certainly wouldn't see Mars being more than couple of dedicated colonies and with population of more than a couple of million if ever.

>>9485064
You handled the topic of terraforming Mars better than the actual fucking thread dedicated to it.

>>9480412
Just put a huge space mirror in L1.

>>9480259
>maybe install some space mirrors
Let's maybe just stop right there. First you need a shiny material that can reflect sunlight. Next you need a method to keep it cool. Next you need a way to keep it in position with all that light hitting it. And lastly you need a good replacement plan for when some random micro-meteoroid destroys it or otherwise significantly impacts its reflectivity.

And really, if you could do this in a cost effective manner, you wouldn't use it (initially) to contribute to terraforming projects. You'd use it for space-based smelting and/or as a weapon.