/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9477896
All of that is wrong.

>>9477896
Yes, but they would push themselves a lot more.

>>9477896
>simply pushing it
>simply

yeah, sure, but to move it even at 1/10 m/s, it would take 1.989 × 10^29 newtons.

>>9477896
Archimedes claimed he could move the world -- but even he conceded he'd need a place to stand and somewhere to rest the fulcrum.

>>9477896
this Sarkhan is bad

>>9477896

>>9477948
You could stand on a space ship and try to push the sun (assuming you had a heat proof suit and space ship).

>>9477896
Are people that retarded to think there's no gravity in space

>>9477972
And assuming the spaceship had at least a reasonable fraction of the Sun's mass.

>>9477896
F=m*a
a=F/m

Find mass of the sun, find average work of a push, plug formula, smile.

>>9478420
If it's mass is huge, it takes almost no force to accelerate it.

>>9477896
>no gravity in space
The fuck are you on about?

>>9478422
"it's" is a contraction of "it is".
Want me to point out the other mistake in your sentence? And logic?

>>9477930
Exactly. Solarmass is about 2.0E+30 kg; if I, a 60 kg man pushed it, even with 2000 N, it would accelerate at 10^-27 m/s, whereas I would go off in the other direction at 33 m/s.

>>9477948
>>9478790
Someone once looked into Archimedes story, about moving the world. He can only exert small force so he has to move a long distance. To move the Earth a couple of centimeters, turned out he'd have had to walk several lightyears. Probably wouldn't have lived that long even if he hadn't annoyed that Roman soldier.

>>9477948
And a lever made of magically strong unobtainium

>>9477896
It would be extremely painful...

>>9477896
Simply moving towards the sun movies the sun, before you even get close enough to push it. It'll even move the sun about the same as if you pushed it. All as the result of gravity. You don't just orbit the sun and the earth, but the earth and the sun also both orbit you. Replace jupiter in the pic with you and and the arrow pointing to the barycenter of the sun-(you) system to basically the center of mass of the sun

>>9477896
No idiot, the sun is made of lava, the pusher would simply fall into it and drown.

>>9477896
I have no idea what gravity is, the post

>>9477896
logically correct
x= no gravity in space
y= move the sun simply by pushing it
[math]
\displaystyle
\begin{matrix}
\underline{x} & \underline{y} & \underline{x \rightarrow y} \\
1 & 1 & 1 \\
1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 1 & 1 \\
\mathbf{0} & \mathbf{0} & \mathbf{1}
\end{matrix}
[/math]

>>9479168
But if there is no gravity, a simple push on the lava will cause the sun to move.

>>9477896
There is gravity all over the place. Even in space.

>>9477968
I agree with your use of this image, but it bothers me that the last n in Bank of Anon is actually written on the hand and not the paper

>>9477896
have to get through the firmament first somehow

>>9477896
>If there is no gravity in space, does that mean someone with a heatproof suit could move the sun simply by pushing it?

No.

You'd have nothing to push against.

>>9482158
Just make another sun next to it to rest your feet.

>>9477896
To push, you would need to have greater ""mass

>>9477896
>no gravity in space

If that were true then all structures in the universe would disintegrate into and the universe would become a static sea of elementary particles.

OF COURSE THERE IS FUCKING GRAVITY IN SPACE!!!

>>9477896
You are already moving the sun. Gravity works both ways senpai.

>>9483905
>"You are already moving the sun."

Grant it, to a very minute effect.

>>9483898
Literally everyone else who has commented over the past 2 days understood what OP meant.
>>9483905
That's not how that works at all. You may pull on the sun with the same force it pulls on you, but it has much more mass. You aren't moving the sun at all.
>>9483911
Just because a force is applied does not mean the object moves. In this case the sun would not move at all.

>>9477896
In all seriousness though, no it is impossible for a person to push the Sun.

There is however a megastructure concept that could do the job. A Shkadov Thruster is a gargantuan orbital mirror that is place in front of the sun that reflects off solar radiation back into the sun. This creates thrust that causes the Sun to accelerate and move. So yes, technically it is possible to move the sun, you just need a fucking massive mirror and a lot of patience.

>>9479933
I would venture to say that space, or at least space-time, is where there is the most gravity

>>9477905
>>9477968
lmfaaooo

>>9478422
is this clickbait

>>9483920
>You aren't moving the sun at all

a=f/m
f>0
m>0

therefore:
a>0

You're moving the sun right now senpai.

>>9484116
The idea is that
F is so small that f basically=0
M is so large that m basically =∞
0/∞=a
a basically=0
From a mathematics perspective, yes there is a tiny acceleration, but then... HA! MATHEMATICIANS!

>>9477896
This is wrong on so many levels. Nigger tier post.