/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9473467
>MIT is shit
>this acceptance email
What a fucking surprise

>>9473467
Is this a real experience? Post your MIT ID card?

I have wondered this for quite some time. I heard that, at the undergraduate level, an Ivy League school is only marginally better than a tier-2 institution, due to the fact that most of the professors are more concerned with their own research. Whereas, at the graduate level, it definitely pays to be doing groundbreaking research with some of the best in their field.

>>9473486
No way that's real.

>want to work together
>doing it for the love of science
pick one
all the people studying together are just trying to get that easy A

>>9473486
this has to be a joke.

>>9473486
WEW

>>9473467
read lyotard

>>9473486
How did you find your fall semester at MIT?

>>9473467
Those MIT shitters are the future millionaires and billionaires of the world. The reason they are so obsessed with money is because they are the kids of the current billionaires and millionaires so all they've known all their life was money while their dad spent weekends snorting coke out of multiple prostitutes asses and their mom did real life BLACKED videos.

The reason I tell you this is because those kids are the big money donors of tomorrow. That is why MIT sucks their dick and why, if you know what is convenient, you'll start to suck their dick too.

>>9473467
>students want to work together to learn
Why? I learn things faster when I study by myself. It makes no sense that working in groups somehow improve the process of learning.

>>9473486
>All those free (You)s
Why is the "got" highlighted though

>>9473507
I'm not at MIT, I saved that image from when it was originally posted on /sci/ back in 2016

I'm at the University of Manchester

>>9473523
Email search?

>>9473520
>Don't understand something
>ask somebody else who understands it

>>9473516
>sucking dick for the sake of convenience
What an absolute rag.

>>9473526
Or just read a book and figure it out yourself. Someone giving half assed explanation is worse than not getting an explanation at all.

>>9473520
If your group is retarded then yea it just gets in your way. But theres also groups that are helpful and provide perspective

>>9473530
Hey, that is how it is. And if you are not going to suck rich people dick then someone else will, and they'll make much more money than you for it.

That is why all politicians get big money donors. If you do the right thing and not be corrupt then your opponent will take the money and use it to out-campaign you.

It is just basic economy. This is what capitalism breeds.

Wisconsin sounds delightful.

>>9473526
But if I don't understand something, no one else in my group will either.

>group always wants to do group work

Wtf is wrong with people? I can get 4 hours of group work done in an hour with a textbook + internet. Why am I such an antisocial learner?

newflash: a university's main goal is to curate and provide resources, be that journal subscriptions, talented faculty, etc. etc.

MIT (and its ilk) isn't considered elite because the professors want to hold your hand: it's prestigious because they continually hire elite faculty, give them top tier resources, use their endowment to keep common facilities modern, and admit students with the potential to utilize these resources as best as possible towards whatever goal

>>9473486
MIT class of 2020 here
Is this real
I never got an email like this when I got in

>>9473891
This. "Elite" schools are continuously elite in a vicious cycle. They get lucky with top professors who get the university a ton of money to buy top tier resources/labs/facilities in order to attract more top tier undergrads/grads/faculty which in turn makes the university even better and the cycle continues on. MIT for undergrads isn't "elite". The "elite"ness is the fact that they only accept students with 4.0 GPAs, 36 ACTs, and president of 5 clubs in high school. They only accept graduate students with 5+ publications at top tier universities that have already worked themselves to death. Hmm... I wonder how they keep on producing top tier talent??? It's not the school, it's the students that they attract which makes them elite. If you switched all of the faculty of CMU to the University of Virginia or some random school and then began only accepting perfect students, Virginia would all of a sudden become a top notch school.

>>9473467
>get rejected constantly cuz mit savages think they have to "beat" you by withholding information/studying by themselves
damn anon I totally feel you
I wish I could just beat the shit out of these fucking arrogant dumbasses

>schools are entirely asian, jew, and affirmative action sorts
>faculty is almost totally jewish

the schools are nothing like they used to be back when they were white
This is deliberate and intentional

>>9473903
happy you agree, but some objections to your post:

1. There is no "luck" in recruiting top professors: excellent facilities, hefty startup packages, and a reputation of attracting top students are huge draws for new hires. That's credit to institutional support. That's before you even consider poaches: MIT also has the clout to hire away elite professors (with lavish offers at that!) from other schools to bolster top flight candidates. Schools that can't commit to the resources can't hire hotshot postdocs or sometimes hold on to elite talent.

2. I would argue undergraduates don't make a university elite because they won't typically influence hires, major research, etc. That's how a school like Wisconsin Madison can be elite at sciences without having a reputation for being an elite, prestigious undergraduate university. Graduate students can make a university elite because their ability to advance already cutting edge research is beneficial to the university at large (as well as the PI they work for).

>>9473920
MIT class of 2021 was 50% white
sounds like you've never actually stepped on MIT campus before

>>9473920
This. Ivys don't even select for intelligent people anymore. The average IQ at Harvard is like 125 LOL.
>>9473936
>50% white
You mean Jewish.

>>9473942
you're deluded if you really think MIT is 50% jewish
plus you sound like a conspiracy theorist so there's no doubt in my mind

>>9473944
I went to HackMIT last semester and I can confirm. Too many white jews and indians. Not enough normal people.

>>9473944
Retard.

>>9473951
nigga u sound mad as fuck

>>9473949
Also, I'll add that MIT is at least better than CMU in terms of suppressing the asian population. At least they aren't 80% fucking asian.

>>9473951
How does that graph even support your claim
Please tell us more about how the jews are running the universe

>>9473955
shit I thought asians were chill
do we hate them too

>>9473960
Are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>9473968
Are you just pretending to be delusional

>>9473968
>one salesman has good thing that is obviously great
>one salesman has ambiguous thing with great sales pitch
>buy second thing

>>9473964
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm fine with asians. However, go walk onto CMU's campus and you'll change your mind. 30% of CMU's undergrad population has some direct connection to computer science. I'm just guessing in terms of demographics but 4 out of 5 students you see are asians. Out of those asians, 60% of them are either international or heavily non-american (Bay Area culture). It's so frustrating. You should be walking onto an American university but it feels like you're walking into some Asian university. There are too many students that don't possess English as their first language so there is an obvious language barrier. Because of this, those students tend to be super beta and shy. Plus, everybody there overworks themselves and doctors even refer to CMU's finals week as 'Pysche Week' because a ton of their students all of a sudden have to see a doctor. It's such a shitty culture.

If CMU was filled with alpha, white males the culture would be more fun (for example, business/finance majors).

>>9473977
i bet you also, unironically, believe that everyone should have to work for what they get and if they don't get it they're lazy and feel entitled

>>9473977
thats cool, I always hung out with asians because they were more tech minded than whites, so I didn't really care whether they were shy or not

can you fucks just git gud instead of complaining?

As a UC Berkeley student, I would pick communicative professors and good, warm-hearted students over ivy league snobbery any day. Lucky me, at the one school which maintains ivy standards while having way way less sshitheads.
I would be smug, but the whole point is that I'm not.

>>9473982
that seems right to me

>>9473990
>I would be smug, but the whole point is that I'm not.

>>9473985
No amount of gitting gud will help you if your problem is that you're stuck in Douchebagistan

>>9473993
>mad that CMU is full of asians who worked hard and earned the right to study somewher prestigious
>believes that they should admit lower achieving white people to to make the environment more fun

lel

>>9473951
Come to ND baby, we're almost all white. It's pretty great.

>>9473467
The solution is to overhaul the definition of university and segregate the teaching system from the research firms.
Unfortunately, whoever runs the institution are too busy filling their pockets at the monetary and mental expense of everyone.

>>9474023
>not wanting to be taught by people doing active research in the field
it's like you want a sub-par education

>>9473486
Are you jewish?

>>9474025
They can easily opt in while working in their research firms. The main issue is that the already drained researchers spend countless hours dealing with their own research shit before even thinking about the dumbasses sitting in their lectures.
Having a dedicated teaching staff who aren't simultaneously active researchers on death's door would make things much more streamlined for everybody involved.

>>9474035
not every prof is doing active research but some are
the best profs are the old guys that don't do research anymore but they have mad experience
they always have the best shit to say

>>9474025
why would they care to teach if they are "doing research" whatever the fuck that means, its not like anything actually comes out of these schools

>>9474038
Exactly, these are the people you want to teach in the university and these are the people the universities should be advertising to the school leavers and prospective students.
The current system just doesn't give two shits about the students nor the researchers who have to deal with sub-par education and exhausting teaching roles respectively.

>>9473977
> You should be walking onto an American university but it feels like you're walking into some Asian university.
But this is the way of the world, it was whites who founded the schools, but they were delusional cucks who didn't think properly in terms of race, so the non-whites infiltrated & proceded to destroy whatever these schools used to be.

>>9474040
>"doing research"
>whatever the fuck that means

>>9473936
http://web.mit.edu/ir/pop/students/diversity.html
34% white
Something like half the "white" population is Jewish

>>9474041
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals,and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.

I am trained ingorilla warfareand I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces.You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.

You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet?Think again, fucker.As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USAand your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid.I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands.

Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corpsand I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit.If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue.

But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot.I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it.

You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>9473467
MIT isn't an Ivy League school you moron, if this was a true story you'd know that

>>9473467
Lol, none of those chinks or pajeets are getting jobs in the govmnt intelligence sector doing cryptography. You have to be true blue 100% American with no ties to anywhere or anyone foreign to work with them.

>>9473520
>be me, first semester in college
>no friends
>get good grades
>highest scores on first few maths exams (it was hilarious people kept getting 30% and below and then dropped)
>ruining curve so all the plebs befriend me
>"study" with them, meaning sit around and crack jokes cause studying is for brainlets
>nearing the end of the semester and as an extrovert ive made quite a few friends
>grades go down
>forget about acadmics
>still had B's and A's, but i shouldve had a 4.0 you feel

dont make friends in college
dont let people befriend you
friends=snakes

>>9474048
Damn. They are doing everything they can to replace us. The statistics don't lie.

MIT is just a meme now

>>9474071
>replace us
who is us? people unqualified to go there?

>>9474086
This is Ivys we're talking about, they don't exactly choose according to quality of applicants.

>>9474125
whatever you say bud. sounds like you're just mad you didnt get in

>>9474128
Average IQ at Harvard is 125 cope more bootlicker.

>>9473554
>capitalism
consumerism
ftfy

>>9474086
>Rampant nepotism = merit

Activates the almonds

>>9473990
But you picked sjws instead? I'd rather be with asians

>>9473486
the absolute state of women

Why do retards blame others for their own perceived failings of being unable to enter MIT

>>9474303
>Post starts by talking about the state of MIT using the story of a person who went there.
>Hurr durr not smart enough to get into MIT
>Having this little reading comprehension

>>9474305
I'm not talking just about OP

It seems like this thread is going down the "da joos be keepin us dawn brutha" path

>>9474310
I stand corrected. As you were, anon.

>>9473467
wisconsin madison? I got accepted there for a chem phd, what is the school atmosphere like? At engineering school for undergrad so not sure what to expect from a liberal arts university

>>9474310
The whole "they have a higher average intelligence" thing only explains so much. They are, at most, 2% of the population. So this does not explain their extreme overrepresentation in some areas. I know you're human instinct is to trust others, but, given this information, why would we assume we are in a meritocracy?

>>9474332
Theres positives and negatives.

Its a huge party school so theres a bunch of annoying clowns running around discovering the mysteries & limits of both their blood alcohol level and their parents wallets.

But as far as academics, I rate it better than MIT. I cant speak for chemistry, just physics. Theres loads of professors here so theres none of that '500 people in a lecture hall because only one professor is teaching it this semester' bullshit. Reviews by students are taken into account for the professor's university performance review so the profs have incentive to put effort into teaching. Its not an issue anyway since the profs are really a class act and care about student achievement.

I also cant speak from direct experience in regards to PhD but I know in physics, there isnt more than 3 students to a prof so you can be certain to get the guidance required.

I have fairly high standards and I recommend it if youre truly interested in academics.

>>9474364
yea i heard it was a big party school after i got accepted. Its ranked 9th in the country for their chem phd program. After being at a school with less than 70 chem undergrads, figured it might be nice to be somewhere with a bigger department. I'm deciding between there, University of Michigan Ann arbor, and Cornell for my PhD. Tough choice so far

>>9474374
I have a friend at Mich. His descriptions of his experience pretty much match mine.

Going to a bigger department will offer you more resources- profs for guidance and technology to do research with. As for specifics in the chem dept, well, the website can probably tell you more than I can.

Are you interested at all in Cali? Quite a few of their schools are highly ranked in chem and have excellent research resources.

>>9473467
The thing about the shitty professors is that some of them probably do have a love of science, but they want to do their research on their topic of interest instead of teach. Which is why being forced to teach if they want research grants is actually really good, because otherwise we would have almost no professors.

>>9474086
I would say a good 1-2% of graduating seniors in the US are smart and hardworking enough to graduate from an Ivy. In practice, the Ivies pick from within that rather large pool (hundreds of thousands) to fill their perceived needs: sports players, proven workaholics, token minorities, etc. etc. All the people they don't admit aren't necessarily unqualified (I suspect truly unqualified people wouldn't bother to apply), they just aren't as desirable as the ones they admit.

>>9473486
>when the affirmative action hits

>>9473467

It's always been like this but it's gotten really bad in the past twenty years as EVERYONE has gone to college, causing the top 10 to become filled with people who are only good at competing, not actual interest.

This isn't so much a problem with college standards as it is how college admissions is done. Fact is, colleges draw from the entire globe (rather than a local district like a K12) which means the best ones are overflooded with applications. All but the very best, the absolute best make it. These people tend to be kids who were raised with an extremely competitive spirit that got them clean exams.

It can't be fixed, and won't ever be. At the base of it professors don't have to care about it because they have their research jobs, jobs that they can take anywhere else outside the school too. And truly interested students have the Internet, so they don't really need the school either. It's just a husk leftover from the previous generation, and it will one day pop once people realize just how outdated it is. Stallman (an MIT grad himself) realized this long ago, his GNU Project is part of the process.

>>9474471

This isn't AA, I've seen that and it's way different since even AA students/profs at least have a 50% chance of being not shit.

Assuming that thing is real it's just a larger symptom of colleges running themselves as brands and not as traditional academic institutions.

>>9474171
I prefer the term "late-game capitalism". It is good to make the distinction between capitalism and consumerism but it is also fallacious to imply that capitalism does not always end in consumerism. It does, it just takes a while.

>>9474171
It's just a facet of capitalism.

>>9473467
If your "Pure Science" is so powerful then why does it fail to compete? Face it anon. Compared to them you ain't no winner. "Love" is not a scientific concept.

>>9474374
Any of those places will give you an excellent start towards a post-PhD career or an academic future. At this point, I think your best bet is to find out who you most want to work for and see if they'll have you in their lab.

Also keep in mind that PhD environment =/= undergrad environment. Chances are you're not going to have a handful of drunk shitheads as colleagues in you graduate cohort.

>>9473990
this. I go to a comfy Christian liberal arts college that tends to have lots of 3rd and 4rd generation students. Almost all of my profs went to top-10 grad schools in their fields and focus significantly more on teaching than research. Unfortunately this makes it harder to do research as an undergrad but it's pretty good otherwise

>>9474025
>he thinks those professors teach
never been to college huh

I got my rejection letter from MIT last week. Applied for the NE PhD. Didn't really expect to get in but I threw in an application because my brother went there and my internship mentor had a contact there.

My friend also got a rejection letter but it said "because our research interests do not align," whereas I just got a flat out "No."

>>9473467
I went to Penn. Same shit. I just assumed literally all colleges were like this..

t. 13 undergraduate suicides from the time I entered university to the time i graduated 4 years later

>>9475354
What for the sake of christ has a college to do to achieve such a suicide rate?

>>9475377
Here's an article from my junior year. The first of these people was my next door hallmate in my freshman dorm. She got a B first semester of college and killed her self first week of February in her second semester. Not kidding. Name was Madison Holleran.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/upenn-junior-suicide-10th-years-article-1.2601544

Wharton is fucking cutthroat. "There are no friends, only business connections."

>>9475383
Wow is this typical? Maybe your class was a statistical anomaly.
RIP

I'm not sure how it is in other fields, but your typical "Elite" schools are not pumping out the ground breaking research in my field. Lower tier research oriented school typically are where the work gets done. Only after the breakthroughs are made to the Ivies snatch up all the talent.

If you want to do research, go to a B+ tier school. Its better to be a big fish in a small pond, than deal with a horde of sociopathic jews and asians trying to sabotage you at every turn.

>>9475377
its not the college. its the parents + the industry theyre trying to get into it.

there were 3 suicides in my medium sized physics dept in my 4 years of undergrad.

people dont understand how fucked the science fields are in the US. everything is about making money first. and theres enough older workers right now where employers can completely cut off young college grads from the field if they arent willing to be enslaved. so the young guns arent getting valuable employment which is costing them their futures + theyre broke and in debt from the absurd cost of college. they dont feel theres a future for them, so why live? i cant entirely disagree with them.

>>9473916
That's what a curve does anon. Keep in mind, if they're going to an Ivy League undergrad then all they've known is academics.

>>9473467
just git gud

>>9473525
holy fucking shit the state of our university, no wonder everyone's going on strike

"My lief ist rlly hard cuz people wont notice me"
Inherent Japanese screaming

Can somebody explain to me the "college is a competition" meme? Why does that preclude students from working together? It doesn't really make sense, teams get more done than you can individually.

>>9475902

>>9474171
>muh not real capitalism

>>9474064
>don't enjoy life goyim, get good grades and do the job

>>9473990
What do you study? I graduated from there in math and stat in 2016 and felt like a good chunk of the stat undergrads were shitheads. I'm not very fond of the Haas, CS and EECS communities there either.
As for instructors, I've mostly had good experiences with math but for stat, it was just hit or miss.

>>9473951
>representation ratios
All those schools are still majority non-jewish white though, by a very large margin
You didn't get into your ivy because you're dumb as fuck as evidenced by your posting that image
Also,
>The underlying data for these charts is drawn from Appendix H.
Do share.

>>9473903
>>9473925
I really get the feel that undergrads are essentially just a resource to be exploited for money and stats to support grad students and faculty desu

>>9475927
THIS THIS THIS HOLYSHIT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>9474148
That low? Are you including bs degrees like English and Liberal arts/((ethnic studies))?

>>9475392
soooooooo why not just spend 6 months learning to code, making yourself financially independent from academia for the foreseeable future ?

hurr durr i'm good at quantitative reasoning and high iq, how will i ever make money in 2018 if some random physics professor got mad at me

>>9475377
I go to Columbia and we had 7 suicides last year lol

>>9473467

It's true that sometimes "a purge" it's needed. We the high leves stay high for too long, they start to stall. Like aristocrats or old guard generals, they are out of the world.

>>9475902
Professional research is a competition for grants ergo college is a competition for grades. It's a domino effect.

>>9476433
does the institution even care or just half-ass a statement for the press

>>9476433
To be fair, last year was special with recalcitrant politics leading to even more recalcitrant political activism affecting the students' mental health. There would've been a push to depoliticise education by now with those cases exhibiting the rampant politicisation of education but maybe one or two parties are too big of a cash cow for the universities to let go.

>>9473990
>Berkeley
>not being smug
Pick one

I blame the SAT and ACT. Getting a perfect Math score means you can do easy Algebra 1 problems very quickly. I don't think it is an accident that MIT is full of bugmen.

>>9473977
>asians out perform white people
>white people are still better xD

>>9473467
>Students trying to beat each other by withholding info
I'm not at an ivy and have experienced this as well.

>>9476697
>being smart enough to realize normies are stupid
>Not being smart enough to realize you arent a genius

>>9476433
It's not just suicides, at JHU bad things happen to the students performing the best. Sometimes its little things like stealing books or slashing tires, but people have been physically attacked. One of girls in my class literally disappeared, I never found out what happened to her. She was doing better than everybody and never showed up again.

>>9476223
At most colleges yes, they also contribute to the pool of potential grad students and the university can slap their brand on the undergrad if they do well in life (become famous or something). The university brand for the undergrad also helps immensly in that, its a win-win.

>>9473467
MIT isn’t Ivy
You didn’t get an Ivy League education my inferior

>>9473486
what the fuck is this? are you going to learn finger painting? the absolute state of american higher education.

>>9473467

I was thinking about going to a small private college for this exact reason. I'm not so into this rat race, it's too stressful. The thing I struggle with, is that I have such a broad range of interest, it makes it hard for me to want to commit to one field and especially think about making a career out of it. I'm thinking about going into finance so I can get passive income while I'm learning about things I'm interested in that I don't necessarily have to make money from.

>>9477218
Better than Harvard.

>>9473467
>medical physics
Is this a viable career path? I never hear too much of the job "medical physicist"

>>9478687
Not sure if it's about medical engineering, biophysics, or kinesiology, but at any rate if you get that degree from MIT you've pretty much just sealed a slot at any medical school in the country.

>>9473467
Transferred from top London college to some no-name technical college here, I had the EXACT same experience.

just make friends with someone on campus, get invited to their parties, and steal all their girls. most effective way

>>9473467
>How should we handle profit-brainlets tainting the good name of science?
As much as I hate to say it, Socialism would probably fix this. Now before everyone decides to give me crap, I'm not talking about Venezuelan stylize Socialism, but more European (the kind that prevents individuals or Capitalism from thriving, yet promote advances due to the enhancement of ones own status and society.)

>>9478754
I just thought it would be a nice shortcut to something like a radiologist's job rather than going 10 years to med school. One school in my country offers it as an undergrad but most schools I see only have the program as post-grad.

>>9476433
lol same.

>>9476561
It really doesn't. They treat their undergrads like shit and any senior will tell you as much.

i went to rutgers and the administration was super nice and we literally just drank and partied all the time. plus if youre smart you would literally dominate the top level math courses while spending the vast majority of your time socializing or having sex instead of studying. lol@ivies

>>9478687
>Is this a viable career path?
yes, its just that you have be good enough for medical school in addition to physics, that's its rather rare

>>9477218
MIT>Ivy

>>9479010
rutgers its shit tier

>>9479010
>math nerds
>having sex

>>9473467
>Should we ban ivy league shitters who into science for impure reasons?
Yes, throw them in a bog.

>>9479010
>i went to rutgers and the administration was super nice and we literally just drank and partied all the time. plus if youre smart you would literally dominate the top level math courses while spending the vast majority of your time socializing or having sex instead of studying. lol@ivies

I actually believe that I had a professor that came from rutgers for a senior level math course. All of the assignments that he made up himself were really REALLY easy compared to the assignments he swiped from past courses at my school. Your BA/BS in Math is meaningless btw

>>9473467
>professors are shit
>dont care about teaching at all, obsessed with research and boosting their reputation

I can think of several excellent professors, some of whom were totally dedicated to teaching. Many here have heard of Walter Lewin, and watched his videos. One of his final videos outlined his extensive preparation process for each lecture.

I never felt like the other students were trying to advance at my expense. I preferred to work on my own, but it was absolutely common to see students explaining a concept to fellows, and I never heard a request for help rejected. We imagined that Harvard was that kind of competitive, which was probably bullshit. Most people didn't know.

As for chasing fame and fortune- most people just wanted to advance or build something interesting. Has it really become an ugly place (apart from the useless admin)?

Suspect LARP, as MIT isn't Ivy.

>>9479215
>Your BA/BS in Math is meaningless btw

likewise brainlet

>>9473467
>no one doing it for the love of science
what did you expect? Asians are incapable of knowing love.

let's just agree here, educational elitists are the scum of the earth, state and international and other such classes are fine. If it exists, it works as a lesson plan. What determines quality is the ability to deliver the lessons that exist to the students so they can develop them.

>>9473990
berkeley is basically only faggots. it's shitty minorities only, nobody there is really talented

>>9479233
Lewin is one professor. One professor does not a generalization make.

Lewin is the clear exception but its only because of his prestige. His name carries weight due to his reputation of being a professor. Theres a few others like him at various schools like Leonard Susskind at Stanford. This doesnt dispute my point that unis only care about prestige.

Plus Lewin doesnt do research anymore so hes not helpful there and his name is cursed now since his sexual harassment investigation

MIT isnt ivy but it may as well be according to every relevant metric. I couldve put prestigious schools or something but that doesnt capture the same effect or flow as nicely.

>>9479408
>faggots
Why the homophobia?

>>9479111
HAHA i spent whole semesters not doing shit
but having sex while topping out my courses

>>9479111
rutgers is actually top 25 in usnews math schools and is exceptionally strong in combinatorics

people just have a complex cause they're not at yale or princeton or something next door

>>9473526
Why do I have to help you understand something? I have my own shit that I need to worry about.

>>9474064
>get great grades on first math exams which are basically review of high school material
>stop studying because it's for brainlets
>tests get harder
>blames friends for not getting a 4.0
LOL

>>9475354
can comfirm. At penn state now and I'm one of the 3 kids in my diff eq class who's actually interested in the math behind it. Everyone else is an engineering major who only got into engineering because of the money.

>>9477214
jesus christ what the fuck. Pretty soon there’s going to be student mafias that people join for “protection”.

>>9479845
kys faggot

>>9473955
Angry because of your inferior genes?

>>9473977
Yeah, those are the people paying for your sorry ass, dumbfuck, so that you can continue an education whilst masturbating to bronies and anime. Retard.

>>9473526

Ivy League schools are absolute garbage and they're basically a laughing stock outside of the bubble. I thought this was common knowledge by now?

>>9474048

Look at undergraduate vs graduate. The graduate student body is mostly whites.

>>9473920
>Complaining about AA.

You know the vast majority of AA (Not all colored people are AA) are selected because they have been determined to be able to do well in the university?

>>9480414
This.

AA is just another metric of many. There is no epidemic of super qualified whites being passed up by unqualified minorities.

>>9480414
>>9480420
what is fractions and percentiles

>>9473977
>okay with business/finance majors
>on /sci/

>>9480382
This is represented perfectly in The Big Bang Theory, where triple-A (Alpha Autistic Anglo-Saxon) scientist, Shelton, is surrounded by meme jews, pajeets, and an uneducated blonde.

>>9473486

>>9477218
This.

I go to Harvard. Trust me, we're superior. Anyone who says otherwise is jealous because they had to go to brainlet university.

>>9473467
Problem is your entire University system is built solely on wealth and the meat grinder of grades.

>>9473486
fuckin americans, man

>>9474259
>>9479408
sorry cucks, your rich mommy and daddy safe space ivy campuses dont exist here. the only people who give a shit about social justice here are the people who have a reason to give a shit about it - no one else cares. It's pretty refreshing since I came from the east coast, where the sjws who exclusively get offended on tumblr are the only social justice presence.
>>9476078
I study math, and the math department is pretty great as are its students. I don't know about stats but I haven't heard the best. I generally hate a lot of the Haas and CS kids, but I have yet to meet an EECS student who I dislike. I think I just got lucky in joining a really good organization with a lot of cool, more regular types of people who are EECS and Mech. Seems to be a bit anomalous to find good engisneers.
But for the most part, the people who I've met have all been... well.. nice and welcoming in every way? I've never felt bad about anyone here.

>>9473467
I have this same problem at Columbia and I honestly always thought MIT was way better.

Apparently I am wrong

>>9476433
Same. I was a freshman last year and I was shocked. I knew one of the kids who died in the fall too--he was in 2800 physics and honors math with me and we were kinda friends

>>9485403
Followup: I absolutely can see why too. I am not myself suicidal but this place is a fucking depressing hell. It's so bleak most of the year, the professors in math/physics don't give a shit, grades feel so random a lot of the time, there is a culture of opacity both academically and socially where you don't even know the stuff you are being excluded from

>>9476787
You also need a good score on Math I or II, the latter which requires some precalculus.

>>9479834
I said Lewin because he is an example familiar to many outside MIT. I didn't see much point in listing a bunch of professors known well only to MIT students. I certainly could, though. (Anthony Patera, Leon Glicksman, Woodie Flowers, James. H. Williams, Dave Wallace)
You're the one who made the generalization. I suggested a counterexample.

Are there professors who are poor instructors? Yep. Are they the norm? I hope not. And again, I rarely felt there was cut-throat competition between students. People were happy to explain how something worked if you asked.

>>9473533
You're forget about cases where you'll have a half-assed understanding of something, so a half-assed explanation fills in the other half. It's not about being clueless and expecting your peers to teach you, it's about filling in gaps.

>>9473486
What.

Wat

>>9473977
>There are too many students that don't possess English as their first language so there is an obvious language barrier. Because of this, those students tend to be super beta and shy.
That has nothing to do with the language barrier. Asians are betas by nature.
Also kek at all the triggered chinks in this thread. Back to r/asianmasculinity with you guys.

>>9473492
No one gives a shit where you did your undergrad, its totally meaningless as to pass an undergrad all you have to do is showup and hand in all the assignments. It's glorified adult day daycare, accordingly grad schools only care about your gpa and maybe some undergrad research depending on the circumstance of it.

>>9473495
>people learning together means they don't care about science

>>9473925
>there is no luck in recruiting top professors
What the actual fuck are you on about, there are dozens of factors outside of the schools control that determine where and when someone can be hired. Marriage, family, romance, patriotism, social history, preferred climate, political motivations, immigration, legal background, blah blah the list goes on and on.

>>9473856
nothing wrong with you some people learn better in groups and some don't>>9473936
>% 50 percent white in a 73 percent white country

>>9485913
Precalc isn't math. Hell, calc is barely math, unless you happen to have a good teacher/prof.

why is everyone on this board so mean everything that is ever posted quickly becomes people telling you how dumb you are

>>9474608
Academic inflation has also put the quality of education offered in the trashcan, every older prof I have ever had has said that they could never deliver the same lectures today they delivered 30-40 years ago because the students are just retards.

>>9486280

It's a mixture of people here being autistic and just doing it for the lulz. Take nothing seriously here.

>>9476822
Better at people functioning human beings? Certainly. Walk onto virtually any even semi decent university campus and ask asians what they are taking and what are there other interests; compare the answers to identical questions of whites.

>>9486276
t. engineer

>>9486314
nigga, calc is literally one new concept wrapped up in some high speed algebra and trig

>>9486294
What would their responses be?
I haven't noticed any different responses between the Asian and White students I've talked to.

>>9486275
>america
>73% white

>>9476433
didn't the mattress girl go to columbia?

>>9473467

> BSc from smaller undergrad-only private uni
> PhD from tier-1
> Make $100+k at starting pay
> Have more intimate knowledge of science than just problem sets

Ivy's are a bit pointless. Go to small undergrad-only uni that's still good in research. Work closely with advisor, you'll be accepted to every REU-type summer research program bc you have no grad program, and get great recommendation letters. You'll learn more and be able to get close with your professors, maybe publish a couple papers. Then go to PhD at places like MIT or Caltech where grad students are given more attention. Sources: this is what I did.

>>9486876
Yeh she was at Columbia. I was working there during that whole process. Columbia is kind of a retarded place. But it's nice that it's in NYC. You get to see the immediate divide from rich white Upper Westside folks and the brown poor communities past 125 street. It's like that with most schools anyways (e.g., UChicago and Yale).

>>9486886
which tier 1 did you go to?

>>9486930
Caltech. Was never a fan of Ivy's so schools I went to were primarily private. Dated girl from an Ivy. She annoyed me.

>>9478679
You could also learn software and make some product of your own, especially if you target a niche field which guarantees that you should do your main studies not in software, or simply freelance.

With interest in Physics/Hardware you could do embedded/IoT/PLC, though I'm not sure about those things in the US, I'm in Central Europe.

>>9473467
>MIT is ivy league

>>9473486
This has to be b8

>>9486274
The academic job market has way more people who want to be professors than open positions. When you reduce *all* academic jobs to *elite* academic jobs, that imbalance becomes much more insane.

If you're given one of these golden opportunities, sometimes it's literally your only choice or it's so much better than your other offers that you have to make huge compromises and take the job. Plus -- seriously -- just follow the movement of professors from major schools and you'll see that a lot of lateral moves happen every year. It is by no means a matter of getting lucky to consistently stock your department with elite faculty: do you really think the MITs of the world have just gotten consistently lucky to maintain their elite ranking?

>>9487529
if you look at *elite* academics nearly all of them went to elite universities for their phd and most likely undergrad as well

>>9489539
so they should be smart enough to not get parenthesized

>>9478763
>top
>London college

>>9475385
I don't think so. Both my parents went to Wharton (2002 - 2004), and they both came out fine. All of their friends also went to Wharton and are all smart, helpful, loyal, but also cutthroat people.

>>9489539
I think I would say that an elite postdoc is mandatory, an elite PhD is very common, and an elite undergraduate is sometimes and certainly not always. It does, however, make sense that very smart people are the smartest at every level of their education though so it's kind of obvious that some people would have elite undergrad/grad/postdoc experience before landing an elite professorship.

>>9473467
>have to "beat" you by withholding information/studying by themselves
Literally me in every class. I've even sabotaged class google docs before and had half the class writing the same wrong answer on a test.

>>9476078
Not that guy but I'm an EECS and Applied Math double major. I would say EECS community overall is meh but some individual clubs like BERKE1337 are pretty cool. The problem is a lot of people honestly just don't give a shit about what they're studying and just want to go get some 120k starting salary software engineering gig out of school. I know one girl who's EECS and she doesn't even try to do any side projects for fun. The only time she opens up her text editor is to do problem sets. That's a lot of the students. Instructors are mainly pretty good or at least ok.

>>9473520
different perspectives, learning to work in a team etc

>>9479845
lurk more

>>9475902
We've integrated compensatory narcissism into our culture. Everybody's a special snowflake, everybody deserves this and that and everything - and then, suddenly, reality comes knocking and you're expected to work for what everybody said you're entitled to. You're crushed because not getting it by default implies that you're not as valuable as you've always believed yourself to be, but hey, value is relative, right? You go looking for others who are worth less than you, and as you find more and more ways to fit people into the "worse than me" category, the easier it becomes for you to once again celebrate your own mediocrity.

It's part of why racism, populism, SJW identity politics and what-not are becoming increasingly popular, too. You get to externalize all of the blame - it's not "you" who sucks, it's an evil conspiracy of dune coons/Jews/capitalists/men/femoids/Hollow Earth two-spirited lizard people who employ underhanded tactics to pull everybody down to their level and then beat them there. Not you, though. They're not fooling you like all the other plebs who are so dumb/selfish/evil that they willingly suck the Arch-Penis of the Patriarchy. You're part of The Resistance™. They might win a few battles, but just you wait, *you* will win the war, and once you've done that, they'll all finally be forced to recognize hat, yes, you've been right all along.

>>9484003
Sorry, I may have unfairly lumped the EECS crowd with the CS crowd since the CS crowd is generally really cancerous. >>9493075 summed it up pretty well with people just not giving a fuck about what they study, which applied heavily to a good chunk of the stat crowd as well from my experience. I rarely met people who were genuinely interested in stat. They only really cared about increasing their job prospects with stat.
The math dept is indeed great and was my breather from stat. It was much easier finding and befriending people who are also passionate about math. Sure, there may be a few shitheads who think they're smarter than everyone else in math, but at least they're easy to avoid.

>>9473486
>the power of the best university in the world

>>9476433
I go to princeton and we just had a suicide in December

>>9473486
>All those links
Scam e-mail?

>>9473486
>the fucking crying laugh emoji
Massachusetts Institute of Ten year old

Where my UTD boys at? We getting Amazon HQ2 next to campus y’all!

>>9473467
That is because colleges succeed in 3 ways

*networking hubs (rich people leveraging connections, not what you know but who)

*grand research (inventing and discovering to later be applied for money, patents new companies and such, largely subsidized by gov and big biz for collective gain)

*personal teaching (a place to think freely in deep and broad ways, often with some philosophy elements on self improvement)

However colleges have changed into piles of junk as grand research is nearly dead because of lack of investment and people don't want to pay for personal teaching places as they are also expensive. Basically college is expensive because it operates outside the norms, but it many times worse now that we have turned it into a "business". The networking hubs are the only ones that are still around because it is cheap to introduce people.

>>9473525
Can someone explain this [spoiler] thing to me.
It really annoys me

>>9474148
Can I get a source?
That's not a horrible number if we were talking about a country but the "world's number 1 uni" should definitely be higher, exclusively prodigies

>>9475392
Maybe they shouldn't be getting meme degrees in physics and just go engineering instead?
Study physics on their own time if they like it so much

>>9479893
>pffttt they only got into engineering because of the MONEY, can you believe it?!?!!?
Hahah well no shit dumbass if I'm dropping 60k on tuition I'm going to make damn sure it's an investment
Seriously what is wrong with doing it for the money?

>>9473977
>business/finance majors
These degrees are for retarded dudebros who watched the wolf of wall street once and think they're going to get rich with their finance/business degree from some shitty state university

>>9489935
What's wrong with schools in London? Outside of Oxbridge they're probably the best. Imperial, King's and UCL are all pretty good

>>9499863
on some boards like lit, v and tv the spoiler tags black out whatever is in between them and you can view the contents by scrolling over it.

>>9486283

Yes, people shit on freshman/lower division courses for being awful nowadays (so awful it's basically K-14), but it's not contained there. Upper division classes, including special snowflake labs for advanced studies, are filled with the same low quality student. The ones who make it really far aren't there because they're interested and got positive feedback from their professors encouraging them to continue with their interest, it's all extremely competitive people who treat education like a sport.

To be clear I don't have anything against self-motivation, but when people treat everything like a game there is nothing gained, all they did was win and get the biggest number. For example in my own studies I did a side project and tried to invite people into it, nobody was interested because it was outside school and thus would have no effect on their grades. I heard the same from other people in different areas of study, nobody wants to actually leave campus and do something (like test a thing they learned in the real world, to examine the results) because it does not affect their academic standing.

It's frustrating, especially when people go to write their thesis and they have no idea what to do. This is when most bust their balls on something that should be trivial, explaining their interest to a board of similarly interested people.

>>9473977

>60% of them are either international or heavily non-american (Bay Area culture).

fuck off the Bay Area is plenty American, especially most of the Chinese here who have been here for about a century (the newer chinese are pure scum, but they're not even a tenth of the population - one of the reasons why they are so hated). Also the "culture" you're referencing to is how Californians view everything back east: elitist cosmopolitanism out of Chicago and New York.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but it's a general problem with CS/IT students who take themselves way too seriously and who will have a panic attack if they get anything lower than an A. The "fintech" people are the most obnoxious, because they're essentially just a branch of applied mathematics but without any of the real rigor the highest level math courses demand since they fluff it out with business law and economy classes.

The culture wouldn't change much, because even amongst whites it's heavily competitive. People only get into the top schools because they treat it like a game they can win at. This results in all sorts of self-destructive behavior, like taking drugs or not getting enough sleep.

>>9473467
>surprised that a rich University for rich people, has most people care about richness

>>9499951
Its genuinely baffling.

I came from a family that didn't have too much money to get me into a nice school but I busted my ass off and got some scholarships after Community College and although I thought that kind of demeanor was only at the college it baffled me that when I got into one of the best micro labs at the university half the undergraduates and even some of the graduate people had no real passion or even interest to hear much less learn about different things outside their small focus on school. Most of the time it was just to play around with some new ideas and just chat about new things but most of these people either feel like someone is always trying to back stab then or make them look dumb. I also completely feel you on the side project thing, it baffles me how unwilling most of these people were when you even suggest the idea of doing a side project for fun or even just to see what will come of it because it's not school related.

>>9475857
Guy who was accepted to but did not go to UManchester here. What's going on?

>>9496894
>le enlightened centrist man

>>9474064
discern good people from bad people and make friends with good people.

You can only blame yourself if u crack jokes all the times with retards. You're the retard here lmao

>all that talk about suicides during college
I always saw the memes, but I never imagined that america was actually this much of a hostile mutt hellhole

this is why open data sharing and open source must be pushed

>>9485403
>>9485410
You talking about DA?

also, you'd be down to meet? be cool to meet another 4chan autist at columbia

I'm a sophomore too rn btw

e-mail me your uni if your down

johaun.sarp@zebra.email

>>9473467
>he thinks kids busted their ass in high school to get into a good college
>for the love of higher learning and culture
welcome to college and the real world

They are like that everywhere.

>>9500632
I don't know which is more pathetic, the fact that you think that politics is a binary choice or the fact that you have a ms strawman saved on your computer.

>>9500089
Basically the pension plan for the staff at UoM and other UK universities have changed and they're not happy about it.
https://manchesterstudentsunion.com/articles/ucu-pensions-strike-statement

>>9500859
>ms strawman saved on your computer
>what is 4chanx

>the fact that you think that politics is a binary choice
left or bust faggot

>>9473486
fpbp

>>9486106
>r/asianmasculinity
what the hell is this lol

>>9473977
I'm down the street studying at Pitt and the culture at CMU is pretty nuts. They do have some brilliant people but a lot of them are tortured on the inside.

They literally walk therapy dogs around on campus to keep kids from offing themselves. Which HAS happened multiple times. Shit as a kid I walked through the building where someone jumped a month or two after it happened.

>>9476822
White people are overall better, despite Asians scoring like 5% higher on standardized tests.