/sci/ - Science & Math

wew lad

>>9460367
wew lad my ass

wew lad

how can you say that the mathematicians are cancer to science?. The math and mathematicians are the foundation of science

>>9460445
wew lad my ass

>>9460446
>The math and mathematicians are the foundation of science

LMAO

wew lad

>>9460450
what is there to laugh about? Its entirely true

>>9460446
no, nature is the foundation of science. science is a tool for describing nature/reality, mathematics is one such language in which that description is written down

>>9460458
Maths is just a nice language to put science observations in. Without it science just becomes uglier, but can perfectly exist

>>9460322
>blaming mathematics for the specialised, esoteric nature of academia

>>9460446
Concrete is the foundation of my house. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't say a house made entirely of concrete is terrible.

Science is a cancer to mathematics.

Wew

>>9460446
Modern math isn't. When you had great scientists in the past who needed math to explain stuff, they invented it. Differential calculus, line integrals, vector calculus, all invented to deal with problems in physics. Look at Newton and Maxwell, for example. Great mathematicians who only used math as a tool for physics. Masturbatory proof-based mathematics is modern and is unnecessary to science.

>>9460493
>Maxwell
>Great mathematician
Wat the fuck.

>>9460505
Maxwell equations are a great accomplishment you brainlet

>>9460531

He never wrote them in their modern form. They really should be called Heaviside's equations.

>>9460531
>Muh quaternions
It was a shitty, unintuitive ugly mess that other people had to get into a form that was useable.

>>9460547
>unintuitive ugly mess that other people had to get into a form that was useable
Calculus had related problems, I think.

OP Here

The only mathematicians I approve of are guys who do topological data analysis.
Complex analysts can kiss my white, hairy ass tbph.

>>9460493
so true.
mathematics is following philosophy into worthlessness.

>>9460493
This. The worst offender is the Raymond Hypothesis, something literally everyone knows is true, yet in the last 100 years mathematicians have spent thousands of hours trying to make a proof in their retarded system, meanwhile physicists just use it and move on. Another one is the axiom of choice, at least with this they eventually decided to just assume it since they couldn't find a proof, but it also took years for them to finally get that a proof would be useless.

>>9460493
???? i'm studying math that's dedicated to solving very specific practical problems (im in the cs department, its about certain problems with pdes) and you do proofs all the time. some of them with math thats maybe not really advanced but is quite a bit beyond calc 3 (homotopy theory, sobolev spaces, ...). how do you think youre gonna understand any of this stuff without proofs

>>9460476
That is retarded. Your house can't exist without a foundation is a more realistic comparison

>>9460462
Without numbers you can't prove anything exists

>>9461849
How can you be this retarded? Assume A=1 B=2 etc and we have another separate alphabet for writing. I can still prove things without numbers.
>B-But anon numbers represent an idea
represent
REPRESENT

>>9460493
My impression of modern physics is that it is really abstract and sophisticated math. Far beyond the obvious and sometimes not really visualizable and intuitive. Doesn't this automatically lead to this modern, proof-based math?
(It's a real question, desu, I'm on a pop-sci level when it comes to modern physics)

>>9461744
I don't think AC is a good example, because it is about logic and formal systems itself, which may be practically useless but philosophically interesting.

>>9460322
>>9460493

Assuming you're not just trolling, proof-based mathematics is important for physics.

General relativity: it's hard af to find solutions without heavy duty math, we're still learning about it

QFT and string theory: we don't even know if this shit is well-defined; understanding the math would likely bring physical insight.

This stuff is generally too math-intensive for physicists to do on their own. The real problem is when mathematicians study abstractions without understanding some kind of intuitive or "physical" meaning for them.

>>9462487
I agree. I don't think communication between the two fields, math and physics, is good enough right now. Math isn't "better" than physics and physics isn't "better" than math. Just fucking choose which one you want to contribute to already and work together so we can figure out what the fuck is going on.

>>9460538
Bruh Maxwell did all the vector work, writing it in modern form doesn't mean Jack.

>>9460322
That's number theory for you. You can take a mathematician out of number theory, but you can't take number theory out of the mathematician.

That's not to say number theory isn't important; it drives the bulk of mathematics.

>>9460322
>He never spent the entire night wildly dancing naked in his student dormitory after finding the 43rd way to prove Cauchy's theorem
weak

>>9462487
>Assuming you're not just trolling
wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg

>>9462438
Yes, your impression is correct. You should take what you read on /sci/ with a grain of salt.

>>9464453
I really hate that this board is the most newfag friendly with shit like this constantly

Tbh i sort of agree, thats why im in the cs dept working on applied problems and i just learn pure math to work on those

Wew lad

>>9460322
Sounds comfy tbqh, pure maths is cool

>>9460460
>>9460493
>>9460479
Math is what autists think up to prove to over people that they’re right about something and their autism isn’t entirely useless

>>9464798
>newfag friendly
Look at /bant/ dude. Everyone there doesnt even call out newfags, and if someone does, everyone calls the accuser a faggot

>>9465931
no, math is what an intelligent person pursues after all of his more primitive needs and desires are satisfied or removed

>>9460454
wew lad my ass

>>9460493
To be fair, mathematicians aren't trying to fool anyone that math is anything more than what it is.

>>9461744
No one knows it's true. The point is no one knows until there is a proof.

>>Another one is the axiom of choice

If you're going to to talk about something, at least have a shred of understanding of what you're saying. When you're gonna make a set of axioms, you're going to want to check that your axioms are independent from one another, otherwise you have redundancy...

>>9462508
this post should be the motto for universities everywhere

>>9460493
>Masturbatory proof-based mathematics is modern
The proof of infinitely many primes is 2000 years old at least.

>and is unnecessary to science.
So? Abstract math is studied independently of the other sciences, the entire study of mathematics is not for the sole benefit of physics you self-centered twat.

>>9461065
>data """""""""""""science"""""""""""""
lmao

>>9466773
>mathematics
>"""""""""""""science"""""""""""""
lmao

>>9461744
Don’t listen to this retard