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9454544 No.9454544 [Reply] [Original]

If humanity manages to irreversibly fuck up Earth's climate, will we finally get our shit together and expand outward? Would this not be a preferable long-term solution to dying out in some paleo-hippie hedonist commune?

I say let it all burn.

>> No.9454549

>>9454544
We're doing that shit right now
it's just expensive as all fuck so the people doing it can't move very quickly
Nothing is irreversable, no matter what happens to earth, we will be capable of fixing it and bring back earth to garden of eden levels

We'll need to develop recycling and environmental repair technologies for the colonies anyhow, so helping the earth would be more useful in the long run

>> No.9454560

>>9454549
There won't be any colonies unless there is a pressing need, or an overabundance of ability - enough to make it a trivial venture. We are not going to develop space tech by not going into space. A lot of spergs seem to think society is governed by some omniscient heavenly RTS player, when in reality it's billions of individuals forced to sct certain ways by common stimuli and game theory. There is no "we" that can make the decision to invest R&D points into "recycling tech" now to get -20% modifiers on space travel cost in 40 years.

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9454563

>>9454544
>Nothing is irreversable
first you retards deny global warming, now you deny the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

>> No.9454564

>>9454549
>we will be capable of fixing it and bring back earth to garden of eden levels
This sounds like some medieval zealot shit right here. No matter what happens, God will see me through! All I have to do is believe!

Earth is not forever, and neither is humanity. But we can improve our prospects immensely by learning to live off-planet and making the stars our home. At least that way we can only kill each other off as quickly as lightspeed limits allow.

>> No.9454584

>>9454544
No.

>> No.9454585

9454564
>humans have outstanding engineering capabilities
>hurr geoengineering is impossible and is just clapping your hands and believing
>despite having made colossal changes to the world with technology far more primitive than what we have now
You don't get a (You) for that disgraceful shitpost

>> No.9454591

>>9454544
Humans tend to be reactive not proactive. When the earth starts to go to shit, that's when people will start to care. It's at this point when more resources will be put into fixing the planet because it'll be dire at that point.

>> No.9454593

>>9454584
So you think that humans are better off staying on Earth? Or do you think humans will actually get off the planet with no incentive to do so.
>>9454585
>shitpost
How is staying holed up on a single planet preferable to mass colonization of the observable universe? The Earth dying could be just the right stimulus to kickstart it. Even then, what kind of geoengineering do you hope to accomplish without massively reshaping the planet and using offworld idustrial assets? We could probably easily control the heat flux reaching the planet by using sunshades. We could also use the same technology for nearly infinite, nearly free energy in the form of solar power satellites.

But we're not going to. Stupid cucks will keep going after stupid cuck solutions like windmills and deserts covered in solar panels. We might develop fusion and die off in VR dystopia before we ever step foot on Mars.

>> No.9454594

>>9454591
So you agree with me, that it might prove beneficial in the long run - possibly forcing humans to actually get off the planet. I don't think we will if we fix earth too soon.

>> No.9454607

>>9454593
>you can only do one thing or the other
the original post specifically pointed out that eco techs will need to be developed to create those very space colonies you want

quit being dumb, and quit being a transparent /pol/ poster, Use your fucking brain and think about what is required for create and sustain things

>> No.9454616

>>9454594
I doubt that the resources will be put towards extraterrestrial endeavors. If you can sustain life on a inhospitable then there is no reason why you wouldn't be able to on Earth. If the Earth goes to shit, the likely process will be to create an environment that can sustain life, stabilize the Earth's environment, and create preventative measures so the earth doesn't go to shit again. Even the shittiest version of Earth could probably sustain life better than any planet in our immediate solar system.

>> No.9454627

>>9454607
>eco techs
the technologiess you need to do macroscopic geoengineering are not the same that you need to create closed-cycle habitation in space. There might be overlap, but you won't develop it without actually doing it for the explicit purpose of space habitation.

And ultimately, I didn't ask whether you think it's possible to irreversibly fuck over Earth. I asked if you think being kicked off the planet by our own stupidity could prove a benefit in the long term.
>muh /pol/
get a life
>>9454616
But if you can sustain life in inhospitable environments, you can sustain millions of times more of it in the solar system. Why stick to this shitty fucking dustball? Why is investing all our shit into half assed containment measures and throttled back frugality preferable to kicking our dependency on this single tiny body?

>> No.9454660

>>9454627
We would have to set up sustainable environments prior to the Earth getting fucked up not during times of desperation. It would take thousands of years to make another planet livable and I think that most people feel no need to expand out. There's no real benefit in colonizing another planet and the only reason is fueled by fear.

If the Earth ever does get to the point where humans have to live in some kind of artificial life support containment dome, or whatever the fuck, I'm pretty sure that we would put all our efforts into being able to live the natural environment once more. Although it may not seem like it, humans aren't so irresponsible that they would just let the place they have been living in for the past thousands of years to become unlivable.

>> No.9454666

>>9454593
Humans won't be able to get off if fuck things up that badly

>> No.9454734

>>9454544
>irreversibly fuck up Earth's climate

Can't happen. Humanity is too disorganized to get its shit together to do something to that degree.

>get our shit together and expand outward

Some are trying right now to do that. You don't need much of a reason to do so if you have the money to do it and don't mind "wasting" money.

>Would this not be a preferable long-term solution to dying out in some paleo-hippie hedonist commune?

Do both.

>> No.9455031

>>9454544
>If humanity manages to irreversibly fuck up Earth's climate

Please be so kind as to tell what is the "correct" earth climate... the global ice ball it has been several times, the hot house of no surface ice it has been several times. We are now in an inter glacial period of an ice age. What climate is the "correct" climate?

>> No.9455367

>>9455031
>Please be so kind as to tell what is the "correct" earth climate
The relatively narrow band it's been in for all of human history.

>the global ice ball it has been several times, the hot house of no surface ice it has been several times.
The Earth hasn't looked like that in a very long time.

>> No.9455534

>>9454544
Expand outward to where? There is nothing for organisms like us, except Earth. Everything else will be minute habitats constantly unstable and struggling. Not enough to continue our species.

>> No.9455583

>>9454563
>this is your brain on engineering

>> No.9455622

>>9455367
Humanity has been EXTREMELY lucky that we have been in a VERY stable and long lasting inter-glacial period of an ice age.
The climate WILL change regardless of what we do. Knowing that a major glacial period WILL come, adding CO2 to the atmosphere does not seem like a bad idea.

>> No.9456317

>>9455622
>Humanity has been EXTREMELY lucky that we have been in a VERY stable and long lasting inter-glacial period of an ice age.
Do you have a source on that? The stable period of the last few thousand years doesn't look that unusual to me.

>The climate WILL change regardless of what we do.
At a much slower rate. It's the rate of change that matters here.

>Knowing that a major glacial period WILL come, adding CO2 to the atmosphere does not seem like a bad idea.
"Knowing that winter would come, he set his living room on fire".