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To what extent do you have knowledge about brain physiology and anatomy?

Also, are you a clinician or a research psychologist?

Why do you still use the IQ system of measuring intelligence? The IQ system of measuring intelligence is Inherently flawed .You can't objectively define intelligence. Lets say for example someone defines intelligence as how you live your life,and what decisions you make, or at least values those type of skills more then any other. Then wouldn't we have to factor that into the calculation.
Now to get an IQ we take someones ability in a certain area add it with other abilities then get your IQ. Now whose to say pattern recognition is a
sign of intelligence, or even if it is how much emphasis should we put of it. Are verbal skills more important, or social intuitiveness. All in all IQ tests
test how smart you are relative to certian subjective criteria, not how intellignet you actully are. I think that any intelligent human would relize this and
disgard the idea that something as complex and subjective as intelligence is something you can quantify.

Do you use it to get a ballpark estimate? If so you should at least tell then that you can only approximate.

Have you ever tried to fuck your mother and kill your father?

Why men get married?

>>945287
My knowledge and training is primarily in the field of human cognitive processes (i.e. learning, personality, affect, cognitive ability). Some physiological but I don't claim to be an expert there...

- I do research and organizational consulting, I'm no shrink.

>>945297
Somewhere in the world, Freud weeps.

>>945304
What kind of research do you do?

Good day chaps, I can't make a new thread for this since my iPhone won't allow me to upload a pic,

I have a mathematics question regarding the rules of absolute values.

If I have something like abs(2x+5y)=5, how do I go about removing the absolute value bars, would it be okay just to say 2x+5y=5?

What did you write your dissertation on?

>>945294
Not op but I can answer that.

You say something as intelligence can't be quantified but whether something is quantifiable or not all depends on your definition of what you are trying to quantify. I would agree that there is no absolute definition of what intelligence is, but all tests that claim to measure intelligence are good in the sense that they measure subsets of intelligence, like working memory performance or executive control. The 'final number' of IQ is determined by the weight of these subsets, and is in a sense arbitrary. All (proper) IQ tests are positively correlated with a relatively high correlation factor (positive manifold) so it's not like they measure totally different things.

How were the undergrad years?

>>945294

The first thing I was taught about IQ is that it wasn't a measure of intelligence.

Did you read the last book of Michel ONFRAY?
"Le crépuscule d'une idole : L'affabulation freudienne"

It's about the origins of Freudian-psychanalism.
Freaky and funny...

>>945304
Tell me about learning and decision making. I'm interested.

>>945341
Then what is it?

>>945294
Ask a Psychologist anything time….Just earned my Ph.D. so I'll try to answer any psych related questions.
Cognitive ability testing is one of the biggest areas of my research. Psychologists use "IQ" because it is without question the best predictor of important life outcomes (e.g. job performance, school success).

Your criticism against the construction of IQ tests would have been valid in the 1930's, but times have changed. I suggest you read up on confirmatory factory analysis (CFA) if you want to understand how current cognitive ability tests are constructed. What CFA has shown is that forms of intelligence, such as verbal, analytic reasoning, reading comprehension, and spatial ability ALL share a significance amount a variance between each other which has helped lead to the idea of a general cognitive factor (a.k.a "G").

I could go on all day about the evidence for "g", it's probably the most research and validated latent construct that exists in psychology.

>>945345
Op here, not a bad answer, here's mine...
>>945363

>>945355
That's a broad subject area, anything specific?

>>945316
Mostly designing selection and training systems for organizations.

- It pays well and allows me to do my research on the side.

What field did you earn your Ph.D. in?

Do you subscribe to any of the models of mind archetecture, like Freud's Id/Ego/Superego, the Truiune Brain model (New Mammalian brain, Old Mammalian, and the Reptile brain) or Timothy Leary's 8 circuit model, and what do you think of the possible correlations between them?

>>945378
Okay, how about just learning. For example, what kind of neurological processes take place in the brain of a student during a Diff. Eq. lecture?

>>945363
my IQ score in verbal is 139
but my performance IQ is bellow 100

I ace my science classes without even trying, or studying at at. I was studying college level astronomy on my own as a sophomore in HS. Just wondering if you could make sense of that.

And my spelling and grammer are neurologicly impaired(dysgraphia)

>>945398
Those theories are fun to look at but lack any serious credibility or applicability in the field today. Freud is an enjoyable read and while some of his theories have stuck around (e.g. reaction formation, catharsis) they aren’t really included in any serious research being conducted on the human brain today.

>>945279

What do you think about the concept of the mind?

My ex girlfriend wants to quit drinking. But she never does. She also won't date me again until after she quits. Am I the reason she still drinks?

>>945453
Let me rephrase that. Do we have a soul?

>>945400
OP here, having significant differences in the facets of "g" is very common at an individual level. If you think about it from a shared variance standpoint, even if "g" accounts for 30% of individual variance across all dimensions, you still have up to 70% variability between any of the dimensions of "g" (btw, those are the commonly accepted variance %, I’m not pulling shit from my ass). Personally, I score extremely low on spatial but I "make up" for it on the other dimensions when taking a cognitive ability test.

>>945453
What do you mean? Need specifics..

>>945391
Cognitive - I also am heavily involved in Industrial/Organizational

Tell me why women have rape fetishes, and how they develop.
Same goes for men.

No really, I always wondered about that.

>>945475

It was actually to set up to something I really wanted to ask you. How do you think Psychologists have been handling the concept of the mind? As in the idea of the mind. As in the idea of evolution.

What do you think about the instincts that most people follow(lust ,aggression, submission to a pack leader, territoriality). Why do people continue to do these things even though its so blatantly obvious thats these behaviors are inherited from our evolutionary past?

>>945523

Not OP, but these behaviours have practical meaning and are irreplaceable. How do you believe a society in which competition is given work if individuals were neither aggressive or territorial? Only rephrase territoriality to possessiveness.

>>945523
Those behaviors are hard to distinguish because they served an evolutionary advantage for thousands of years. People who were high in the traits you mentioned tended to have greater survival chances and subsequently spread their genes into future generations. This is why EVERY human is prejudice against out-group members (at least at the subconscious level). Will this ever go away? - Looking at the way humans treat each other today doesn't give me much hope.

>>945521
The mind has certainly "evolved" with humans for as long as humans have existed. It will continue to develop as humans gain new understandings and relationships with their physical world.

>>945544

Arg, faggot. You have no idea where I am going with this do you? I am talking about the blatant supernatural babble and other faggotry that gets into the concept of the mind even in academia.

I am a psychology major and I have 4 teachers support supernatural aspects of the mind and 2 dualists and I don't even ask around.

As best the concept of the mind is just a shit tier extrapolation of what the brain does.

>>945595
I'm not OP.

How the hell would you even define "the mind"? I'm a neuroscience major and people in my field see the word "mind" as synonymous for "brain function". Talking about the concept of "the mind" doesn't make you a dualist.

>>945610

>How the hell would you even define "the mind"?

I don't. Most definition I have encountered is the ghey. Thats why I call it a shit tier extrapolation of what the brain does.

>Talking about the concept of "the mind" doesn't make you a dualist.

Never implied that.

>>945363
what do you make of this than?

http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/523.html

>To summarize what follows below ("shorter sloth", as it were), the case for g rests on a statistical technique, factor analysis, which works solely on correlations between tests. Factor analysis is handy for summarizing data, but can't tell us where the correlations came from; it always says that there is a general factor whenever there are only positive correlations. The appearance of g is a trivial reflection of that correlation structure. A clear example, known since 1916, shows that factor analysis can give the appearance of a general factor when there are actually many thousands of completely independent and equally strong causes at work. Heritability doesn't distinguish these alternatives either. Exploratory factor analysis being no good at discovering causal structure, it provides no support for the reality of g.

>>945637
>I don't. Most definition I have encountered is the ghey. Thats why I call it a shit tier extrapolation of what the brain does.

It's a word. Not an explanation. If you said dualism is a shitty explanation for behavior I would agree with you.

>Never implied that.
let me quote:
>I am talking about the blatant supernatural babble and other faggotry that gets into the concept of the mind even in academia.
Here you imply that you think the concept of the mind is supernatural babble.

>>945658

>It's a word. Not an explanation.

Hurr durr.

>Here you imply that you think the concept of the mind is supernatural babble.

Stop failing so hard. Obviously I have had more than 6 psychology professors fag. I know most psychologists don't bring up anything supernatural. You are so fucking stupid.

I was just ranting that there are too many Descartes, supernatural, and dualist fanboys in psychology .

>>945400

Wow, they are letting any idiot get PhDs nowadays.

>>945693
>Hurr durr.
That's not a fucking argument you faggot. You fail to make a coherent point and so now I'm one who's stupid?

>>945714

Do really have to point out that I never called the mind a explanation? WOW.

There's a whole lot of "i'm not OP, but..."

I thought this was ask a psychologist, not a channer.

>>945655
You posted someone's blog entry, that's definitely more convincing than the hundreds of peer-reviewed studies I can use to support the existence of "g" (Carroll, 1993; Gottfredson, 1984; 1995; 20002; Jenson, 1998; Barrick & Mount, 1991; Sackett, 2001; Sternberg et al., 1995; Wood, 1986; Schmidt & Hunter, 1990; McDaniel et al., 2007; go on and on and on and on). I'm not claiming any particular conceptualization of "g" is "perfect". That's not how theories work is science. ALL multivariate statistics require the researcher to make inferences regarding causation between variables, CFA or SEM no different. The ability to make causal inferences is based on rigors methodological rigor and support from existing research - The vast majority of psychologists agree "g" has both.

>>945757
"in" science

>>945753
OP is back

>>945693
>You are so fucking stupid.
said the psychology major to the neuroscience major

>>945333
you need to make a case distinction.
1. case 2x+5y>=0 , then |2x+5y|=2x+5y
2. case 2x+5y<0 , then |2x+5y|=-(2x+5y)
solve for each case separately

>>945757
>You posted someone's blog entry
why don't you argue his points instead of an ad hominem about the.. "hurr blog". that article has plenty of cited references for you to check. or is your Phd from the university of Guatamala?

>>945812
Again, not OP

A blog isn't fucking peer reviewed you dumb faggot.

>>945819
so you aren't the op?

well i guess half the stuff must have gone over your head, he cites plenty of peer reviewed material to back up his arguments. either you have no understanding of the subject, therefore can't begin to form an opinion or you're just being an idiot. keep harping on about it being a blog if you think it helps, i ask the op what he thoughts are. debate the message not the messenger. if you want to cite studies to disprove his points do so aswell, or stfu.

Can a psychopath have any king of satisfaction.
Even a rational one, if he acomplishes something.
Can he actually feel a need for something or an intrest in something or not ?

>>945866
Don't be a smartass. I'm the neuroscience major. My understanding of the concept is probably on the same level as OP's.

My point is that there is no use in citing a fucking blog in a scientific discussion, even if it cites scientific articles. Anyone can cite anything they want to prove a point. If it's not peer reviewed no one is going to check if what he is citing is actually representative for the existing literature on the subject.

>>945812
If you don't have a comprehensive understanding of multivariate statistics it's pointless to even begin. I'm not saying that to be a smart ass, but it's really the foundation to even being able to understand what's being talked about in area of cognitive testing. Start reading Tier 1 peer-reviewed articles on the subject instead of someone's blog and you'll see a very different perspective.

>>945339
Virtual team learning was the research area for my diss

>>945343
Undergrad was fun but it's nothing like grad school. Undergrad basically teaches you how to learn and then you actually learn relevant skills and abilities in grad school.

>>945868
Op here - I don't claim to an expert on psychopathology but the critical part of your question is how you define the construct of "satisfaction" - i.e. If you're asking if psychopaths can derive pleasure from behavioral experiences - the answer would be yes.

How much money will you make?

>>946258
Mean avg. salary for my field is roughly 115K. Most of my former classmates started off around 90K with great benefits. Opportunity for advancement is quick. Depending on experience and expertise, research consultants (which is what I am) typically earn between 200-400K a year.

- If you decide to be a prof you’ll earn a lot less than going applied but you’ll have complete job autonomy.

How hard is your job?

>>946318
Op here,
Depends what you define as hard. First, you have to accept that your life will involve reading countless journal articles to keep up to date with progress in the field. If you don't mind a lot of reading it's not really that bad.
If you want to advance you’re reputation among your peers, you’ll have to publish. Publishing in peer-reviewed journal is not easy (good journal have a 90% rejection rate) and it takes a huge investment of time and resources to develop a paper that has a chance to be published in a top-tier journal. For profs, publishing is not a choice – they don’t call it publish or perish for nothing.
I also work with a number of advanced statistical programs (e.g. LISERAL) during data analysis which can be a pain in the ass to stay up to date on. Overall, it's all about making sure the countless hours you put into study and research is focused in an area that you actually have an intrinsic motivation to learn about.

>>946305
Wow, 200-400k? This must be industry. What companies hire people like you?

>>946423
Op here,

It's definitely "Industry" that creates these salaries. Being able to predict job performance is something companies are willing to spend billions on every year in the United States. Organizations would hire someone with my background to run the performance management system (e.g. design selection system, training, performance appraisals, etc.). Having a Psychologist instead of HR design the performance management system of the organization basically saves them from having to contract some ridiculously expensive consulting firm every time they have a performance management issues (and avoid legal issues).

- Working for a consulting firm that is constantly getting contracted out to organizations can be incredibly financially rewarding as well.

Examples of orgs. would be (there are many more): Google, Coke, Home Depot, Federal Express, Police & Fire Agencies, etc..

OP, if you are still around, what are some of the psychological preconditions for developing a highly religious mind. That is, how do you conceive a mind that is likely to seek for answers in unfalsifiable hypothesis without going through some form of internal conflict?

>>946476
How hard is it to get a shrink's diagnosis wiped from my medical records?

As it stands I have a record of being diagnosed, accepting treatment, and then being told I was misdiagnosed by a different shrink and stopping all treatment.

Also, do I have the makings of a malpractice suit on my hands? The shrink making the diagnosis was a psychologist doing some intern ship under the supervision of a head psychologist that I never met. I was diagnosed and sent to a psychiatrist who started prescribing me pills. Then once the first intern left, my next shrink said "OOPS, WE WERE WRONG. SORRY ABOUT TELLING YOU TO TAKE ALL THOSE PILLS."

>>946504
That's a complicated question. I would suggest you take a look at Berry's (1977) eco-cultural model of culture as a good framework to examine the development of religious values in culture.

can you read my mind?

>>946544
Licensing and certification requirements vary state by state, so it's difficult for me to answer your question. I would suggest you contact an attorney.

>>946690
No, just whether you would be a good employee.

>>945333
No you can't

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>>945355
Op here,

Read Latham & Locke's (1979) article on learning and goal setting. It's a classic.

>>945355

The following is an excellent article on the role somatic emotional response plays in decision learning.

http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/19/13/5473

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