/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9448642
what the fuck kind of school is this? Is this itt tech or something?

>>9448644
No, it's a public state school, just a really low ranked one.

>>9448644
Enterprise actually recruits at a lot of humanity career fairs, even at big schools. Their entire business is a pyramid scheme where the lowest level employees (known as "management trainees") are required to have a bachelor's and everyone is in competition to work longer hours (usually 55-60) to move up.

They're smart. They require 3 interviews to get hired on the meaher 40k salary (with the hours that only comes to like 12 dollars an hour) so the dumbasses who majored in English think they are getting a "real job". They even make you tran at regional offices and buy you a hotel room to support the illusion. Keep in mind this is all for the front desk job that is essentially no better than a cashier (you also get to wash cars!)

So now the humanity majors are all hyped up they are going to "training seminars" and getting a "salary" that they are happy to eat shit while climbing all over their coworkers for a chance to actually have a real position.

>>9448642
Is this how being outside of Ivy feels like?

>>9448642
Working for the military sounds comfy desu

>>9448669
this, if you are an engineering you can work in procurement and test all the expensive new gadgets

>>9448642

>be paramedic
>work at hospital and they pay for school
>gonna finish up and apply for PA

I am so glad I am not in OP position thank God I can put up with shit and piss lol

I can transfer to a slightly better university for maths, but I would have move out and pay rent and stuff. Should I do it?

>>9448755
if you go to uq ill shout some drinks :^)

>>9448642
>Went to university up north for first term of my uni career
>Nice school, teachers actually taught theroums in proper English
>Go back home since gf hates the cold
>Go to nearby uni
>Math prof is this old lady who lives in the 80s
>Less than one month in and there have been 3 group assignments during the time that should be for lecture
>Group math assignments so we get to pass around a sheet and write down answers in rotation
>Always 7 people per class who speak in some other language while the prof is talking

>>9448672
That's not what they're recruiting for. They're recruiting for technicians at best

>>9448772
Which universities?

>>9448774
When I went to CC the marine core would recruit all the time. I find it disgusting they would rip youth away from their future for the fake prestige

>>9448642
Yeah I go to brainlet university for physics. Gen eds were... I couldn't believe some of these kids. I wish I didn't fuck off in high school. You described my shitty public college pretty well.

>>9448656
>spend 4 years and thousands of dollars on education you can get just by going to a library

>become a cashier/car washer
>have the same job as illegal immigrants

Holy shit, these kids should have waited a few years before going to university so they could learn that the path of least resistance offers the least rewards.

Seriously, a 1-3 years working after high school really shows you why you should major in something more challenging. I bet they could even have gotten a job at Enterprise.

>>9448772
>group math assignments

I can understand collaborating with peers for research at higher levels after all of the brainlets have been weeded out, but god that sounds dreadful.

>>9448642
>kids in multivariable calculus who can't do basic derivatives
>black women trickle into all classes
>ridiculous amount of gen ed hours to complete
>participation grades
>loud people in the library

JUST

>>9448642
>>9448873
Fuck this is my state school exactly. I really need to transfer out of here.

>>9448642
Anyone else notice "additive" functions are easier to grok than subtractive? Like, ratio is always the thing that trips up people in classes that have even precalculus as a prereq. Whereas physics 1 students always get stuck multiplying F by sin/cos

>>9448873
One of the worst part about bad schools is most of the students are those who couldn't get in anywhere else, so the whole environment is designed to pull you down to their level. Your peers don't care and as a result neither does the institution.

High school really does decide your hole life

>>9448887
I got accepted into a private school with a decent reputation but it was wicked expensive and I couldn't get my major until I had spent a few semesters there.

This local state school gave me a decent financial package and now I'm too far in to do anything else. I hate it. The professors here are great it's just the fucking kids in these classes.

>>9448893
>I couldn't get my major until I had spent a few semesters there
You mean like declaring your major? What's wrong with waiting to do that? It's not like being undeclared stops you from working towards the degree.

>>9448774
Seriously? A friend of mine interviewed at the german army for a similar job with a masters in engineering as a civilian. If he would joined as a soldier he would have started as a major

>>9448642
Get good grades and transfer?

>>9448642
My school is known for its engineering, comp sci and math in Canada. I remember in my first year programming class some black land whales took the class as an elective and holy hell it slowed everything down.

>>9448964
Waterloo?

>>9448873

>French nigger exchange student sits down near you
>Smells double shitty since french and nigger

You dont know my PAIN

>>9448818
UNBC originally. University of Northern British Columbia. Really nice school. Lots of environmental people and pre meds haha but the math centre was a pretty good time.

Now I'm going to Capilano university before I transfer to University of Victoria.

Just getting all the basic calc/stats/phys/comp courses done before I get into the nitty gritty
>>9448853
Yeah they are brutal. You barely have enough time since you're passing around one answer sheet between 4 people. My last group was good though.

>>9449035
>Capilano university

Well yeah, that's not a real university, that's why. Last time i had heard anything about it it was Capilano college. You should be fine at any of UBC, SFU or UVic.

What is your major?

>>9448642
At community college, know what you mean

>literature class
>everyone reads..a...word..at...a...time
>twice I've had to switch math classes because only like 3 people were left after add drop
>groids doing the thing where they loudly clap their hands together and bump their shoulders fucking EVERWHERE.
>No help from STEM professors because they all hate their jobs

What year are you in OP? I sort of had a smilar problem and I just transferred. If not just finish up and make the best of it.

>>9448642
Me OP. I feel miserable. I have friends who got into really good uni's and i see what they're studying and it makes me near suicidal when I compare it to the work I'm given.

>>9449191
Electrical engineering. I got my red seal (trades certificate) in HVAC and refrigeration mechanics which had a lot of electrical and controls/automation which I really liked.

How about you?

>>9449035
>>9449191
what’s your opinion on UAlberta?

>>9449332
Don't know too much about it but from what I hear it sounds really good. Good med school and it's really well funded.

um i went to a community college for 2 years and actually made a lot of great friends and met a lot of cute girls. one mexican girl who fought a black girl in my statistics class was actually really nice when we talked.

>>9449473
also there were a lot of really smart kids in places like the math tutoring center. a lot of them transferred to places like UC berkeley and stuff from my random east coast CC. many in Ph.D programs now, including me :^)

>>9448964
What school?

I did well at school but went to my nearest university. It wasn't shit tier U like the ones here and it looks respectable on the outside so it wasn't a career killer. But the courses were dumbed down and watered down as fuck compared to other universities.

It is just a sad experience. Seeing narcissistic hordes of normies talk as if university was an achievement is a slap in the face telling me to stop taking society seriously

>>9449473
>fights
Fucking hell

>>9449544
it wasnt like a big fight it was like one girl yelling shit like the catch me outside girl and then they shoved each other a little while the skinny engineer instructor quietly said "guys , you cant do this, i need to ask one of you to leave" and they ignored him lol

>>9448968
>>9449496

Waterloo

>>9449492
Yeah I'm finishing my associates after having a breakdown and the people working in the stem tutoring actually give a shit and I don't have to deal with people who are just showing up for lecture thinking they'll magically pass.

>>9449544
My college chemistry professor once got into a knife fight mid-lecture back in the balkans.

>>9449292
>>9448964
>>9448873
>>9448642
Holy shit, I do not miss nigs. I went to a ghetto high school and I'm in a white Christian college. I forgot how much I do not miss those people

I got rejected from a school I idolized most of my childhood
At first I told myself "okay, it's fine. School #2 isn't terrible anyway"
But now I think about it every day and get more and more depressed. I've come to see college as this great societal sorting. Thinking about all the doors that slammed shut when that rejection letter came makes me despair.
At least I have friends. Never had those in High School.

>>9448774
This is part-way true. There are some really comfy jobs in the military, but most of them are incredibly selective. When the military goes to mid-low tier schools, often the recruiters won't even mention certain opportunities to the students there.

t. military officer currently working in a recruiting office.

>>9448642
CS belong in >>>/g/

>My SAT score is a full 140 points above my school's SAT range
>Didn't get into the school for my SAT score because I was too scared to take AP courses in High School
I beat myself up about that alot

>>9449605
this. too much this

>>9448764
I only drink the fresh blood of ibses. What are you studying?

>when you take a class that somehow directly insults your intelligence
Last week was my first Calc III lecture. Prof allows cheat sheets for EVERY exam. I was beside myself
I dream about an alternative life where I walk the halls of a research institution and great things are expected of me

>>9449902
News flash; real life doesn't prohibit "cheat sheets".

>>9449605
>>9449723
nobody cares, boys. i failed out of high school from mental illness and being a dumbass after everyone telling me i was gonna go to princeton as a kid. now i got my shit together. graduate from a great state school where i knew all the best faculty. partied and drank and met all kinds of girls but learned a shitload as well. went and got a job and made a bunch of money. now i'm starting in a doctoral program next semester.

I went to a shit uni even though I could've gotten a full ride anywhere because I didn't have adequate understanding of financial aid and was in a hurry to get learnin... Holy shit are people dumb. I hardly went for a month before I was like fuuuuuck this. Now I'm a transfer student with zero credits lol.

Fuck stupid people. You should be able to go to your private university in your home town and not have it be full of absolute imbeciles. Most weren't even like annoying high school kids. There's a big focus on teachers here which I feel contributed to the fact that everyone was basically a drooling retard.

I spent the last two years of high school reacquainting myself with morons after really focusing on school the four years poor prior.. I thought I was ready for a mediocre college. NOPE. Like holy fuck college is primarily lost retards.

>Everything that uses programming is in Java
>this is a bad thing

But yeah OP, your school is a shithole.

currently some things that allow me
>intro to linear algebra
>one nigger comes to class and spends literally the entire time on his phone
what’s the point of even showing up?

>go to local uni and community
>you are forced to pay for a freshman class first semester that tells you how to college
>you have to fucking do research papers and shit
>first unit was how to not plagiarize
the fucking south I swear

>>9449996
Teaching about plagiarism is important because not everyone knows how to properly cite/do research at the university level. Though, a class dedicated to it is pretty dumb, my school gave us that info through the freshmen writing class.

>>9448642
NA education in a nutshell

>>9449991
>allow
*annoy

>>9449325

math+cs

>>9448642
>broke high schooler
>offer from best school in state, no aid tho
>mid tier college offers me half tuition every semester
(i slacked in high school)
>its actually a great school for engie and chem, the rest of the dept suck
>math, physic major
>ill just breeze through it and go to grad school at best school on a fellowship
>ace freshman physics
>finally, first real physics class
>other physics students are complete brainlets
>cant even do basic trig integrals in modern physics class
>im destroying the curves every test
>they all hate me
>be in model & sim
>can have 1 partner for midterm
>they are battling over partnering with me
>deny them all
>almost all of them cheat, cant figure out answer
>ace the class
>they get caught cheating, fail class
>dont see any of them in next class (thermo)
>physics prof tells me to consider transferring somewhere since all those physics kids dropped out
fml

>>9449910
it absolutely does. but its based on time.

you might be allowed to use whatever resources are available to you at a job. but if you rely on cheat sheets all the time, you wont get shit done and you will be fired

>>9450073
>but if you rely on cheat sheets all the time, you wont get shit done and you will be fired

Good thing I'm a guiness world record for fastest person at cheat sheat gathering and usage.

>>9450073
Technology makes cheating limited by your own skill. See; slide rulers.

>tfw you went to a brainlet state school
fuck

>>9450068
AND THEN THE PRINCIPAL CAME IN AND EVERYONE CLAHPPPED AND SAID
GOOD JAAAAAAAAAAAHB GOOD JAHHHHHHHHHB

>>9448642
>I wish I studied in high school
True that, time travel when?

>>9449951
>Like holy fuck college is primarily lost retards.
This so much. I remember what a shock it was going from my local community college to a state university. Almost everybody at CC was there because they wanted to be, while uni is filled with kids who just got out of high school and don't know what they want to do and were taught that college is the only respectable path. I would say 70% of the people at my school do not belong there and would be better off doing something else with their lives (and them being gone would make the atmosphere better for the rest of us who succeed in school and care about education).

I admit I slacked off in high school and I only got into a mediocre uni bc of it. But when I did go, I was ready and willing to learn and put in real effort.

The atmosphere at the uni was awful. The students spent so much time dicking around, never wanted to do anything other than the minimum to pass, had no passion for their field, spent as much time trying to cheat as learn, bonded with each other over how badly they were doing in tbe class.

I really wish I hadnt slacked and thats my own damn fault but I wish schools divided kids based on effort or something.

I want classmates who want to talk about science not some trivial shit

>>9450205
>bonded with each other over how badly they were doing in tbe class.
I mean, people do that even if they're acing the course. Shooting the shit is just socializing.

>>9449619
MOMMY PEOPLE ARE SAYING BAD THINGS ON THE INTERNET AGAIN

>>9450246
Its more that they glorify doing poorly. Laughing at how they dont know the material.

I get it. I did that in high school when I got a D in chemistry after fucking up the labs intentionally. It was funny....in 10th grade.

Uni is different. This is their futures on the line. Not only that but this is the opportunity to learn to become productive people. Celebrating failure doesnt make for productive people. Its a burden on everyone

>>9450311
This. Commiserating and maybe laughing at yourself once in a while is ok and even healthy, but when it gets to the point where you are proud of being bad at something and flaunt it, you're not helping anybody.

>>9450311
i understand where you're coming from but i get the feeling that those types of people don't really celebrate failure so much as they laugh it off because they simply believe certain things are beyond their competence.

>>9448642
I got into a top tier private school. Luckily though. There is also literally no black people in my upper division math and physics courses. Just white and Asians and like 3 Hispanics (me included). All my profs are white men and women.

>>9450328
Yeah, at higher levels of math the Asians die off. Sometimes you need some natural talent instead of braindead memorization and learning that these asians do.

>>9450334
What?

>>9450334
um kind of. i was in a pretty good math department and there was definitely way more white representation in the Ph.D program than undergrad calc courses, but the strongest guy in the department was a Chinese dude from a fucked up background who just ground that shit out

>>9448642

>It's just 2 Chinese guys teaching all of upper division math

right in the feels

At least my state school isn't one to be ashamed of, other than our recent sports change. Go Terps!

>>9448830
>core

>>9449639
I had a 2290 on the SATs but was like a B student cause I never did any work. No one knew what schools I was actually qualified for.

>>9449902
We had a cheat sheet for laplace transforms on our calc3 test, but that was the only math class that I can think of where that happened.

>>9448908
Maybe they only let some people major in that subject -- like you need A's rather than just passing the prerequisites, or there's another application process.

>>9450374
>being knowledgeable about the military

>>9450634
I bet a decent amount that you're american

>>9450381

I was the same way

35 ACT

3.0 UW GPA

I completely bombed my first semester of college due to laziness. Transferred to a shitty open enrollment uni to get my AS with a good GPA, with the intention of eventually transferring to my state's proper uni for my BS. Going to a brainlet school is such a tremendous confidence killer. Gen eds were miserable. My AP courses in high school were 10x more rigorous. Thankfully I was accepted into the proper uni and I'll begin attending there this summer.

>>9450068
that’s not too bad, with your grades you might be able to transfer to the best state school with aid this time.

>>9448642
Wow it’s every bit like the state school I go to I really hate hows there essentially one teacher for hardware courses

>>9448642
>Java
I wish we were that posh, all our programming classes we used visual basic. at least in the othwer subjects like thermo and some other chemE subjects we used fortran to be able to write scripts for the simulation programs.

>>9453023
>I wish we were that posh, all our programming classes we used visual basic

>>9450073
yeah... no... Basically everybody in the real world relies on cheat sheets of some kind for stuff they aren't doing daily. You have to be fast at reading cheat sheets. If something is important nobody wants to rely on your "i swear i remember from 15 years ago". Just look at up and be safe. Of course you are a lot faster at looking up things you already learned and understood some time ago.

>>9448774
>>9448669
>>9448672
spoiler alert: most people don't want to make weapons after spending 4-5 years getting a STEM degree.

i didn't want to do it. they offered me a shitload of money too. you are never in anywhere nice either. always some desert or irrelevant flyover state.

>>9448642
>trying to teach calc 1 to kids who don't know algebra
>hear a horrible racket and smashing glass outside
>look out the window
>some fraternity has a busted car in the middle of campus and is charging people $1 to bash it with a sledgehammer
>try to hide shame and disgust as I go back to the board to keep teaching

>>9448746
>PA
Don't
the field is gonna be saturated as fuck in the next 10 years
t.pharmcuck

>>9453334
this is an excellent fundraising opportunity shame on you for thinking yourselves better than them

>>9448642
Top 5 grad school here. I haven't even seen a black person except for undergrads walking the halls.

>>9449314
Are you planning on grad school? Make sure your grades and research are outstanding and you can easily get into a top tier program. My undergrad wasn't even ranked for my major, but I got accepted to three top 5 schools (different programs) and another that was top 15.

>>9449619
Computer science is a branch of mathematics.

2/10 because you made me reply.

>>9448642
i go to a non-notable state school
i'm a brainlet and i probably deserve to be here because my gpa is good but i have to try.
i feel like exactly 1 class every semester will be relevant to my life, and the others are just glorified padding

>>9448642
Oh my god that sounds shittier than the brainlet cc i went to for my high schools early college program.

>>9449035
Nice to see a future UVIC student on /sci/.
The schools pretty nice and the profs are usually pretty good but a lot of the students that go here are fucking brain dead, especially in the level 100 courses you'll be amazed at how stupid high school graduates can be.

>>9448642
I wouldn't call my University brainlet, but
>section has white prof
Everyone loves it
>section has chink or poo prof
Tons of people fail because they can't understand the prof during lecture

>>9448755
im studying CS there this year, are you transferring out of or into uq?

>>9448642
>>Every class has to have a basic algebra refresher
>>There's always a bunch of fat black woman asking the professor how they got the answer after she says how she got it
>>Everything that uses programming is in Java

The >>>/g/hetto is that way

>>9450634
>>being knowledgeable about english
ftfy bra*Nlet

>>9453295
>they offered me a shitload of money
>always some desert or irrelevant flyover state
It just gets comfier and comfier...

>>9448642
>can’t even spell the plural of ‘woman’

I think you’re where you belong, OP.

>>9448772
>>9449035
>Always 7 people per class who speak in some other language while the prof is talking

Well at least you chose UVic instead of SFU or UBC. UBC actually stands for University of a Billion Chinese.

Although academically UBC would definitely be better than the other two, but if you REALLY hate people speaking foreign languages more than they speak English, then you made a good decision.

>>9453334
hahahaha are you in the middle of Illinois?

>>9453405
>being the meme

>>9455520
Out of. Well, probably can't now since it's too late. UQ isn't bad by any means. I personally want to study topology and algebra but UQ doesn't offer any of those courses.
I'll see you in CSSE1001.

>>9448642
>college
Wow you are smart and good at math, you better go into engineering because engineers make more money than art history majors! Wow, aren't you interested in these space satellites that can use solar electric propulsion and make use of Q/V band and photonics?! Oh yeah, you're interested in digital two axis rate sensors aren't you?? Well you better be, because if you aren't super syked about it you aren't cool enough to work here, kid. You won't be motivated enough to spend your life bent over a computer writing code and analysing waveforms to warrant us paying you $100,000 a year. You know what, I think you'd be better off checking off boxes at the local civil job site making 1/3 of what military contract engineers make. I only hire the most autistic individuals for MY GIGS. If you ain't obsessed with this stupid technology for no fucking apparent reason and you don't spend every waking minute of your life researching COOL new engineering tech or learning how to code in .NET framework, you ain't good enough to be working for ME, douchebag.

>>9457501
Looks like someone got their feelings hurt. Nobody ever said engineering is the only good major buddy.

>>9456754
It may be a meme but computer science is the easier degree for a pleb to get paid well

>>9457500
> personally want to study topology and algebra but UQ doesn't offer any of those courses.

How? How does there exist a university with a math program without algebra? I looked and all I see is linear algebra. No Topology. What the fuck? We've got like 4 undergrad abstract algebra courses (group theory, general abstract, galois theory, plus some coding theory-heavy one. plus cross-field stuff like algebraic topology) (+ 2 linear algebra) where I am and we're not even algebra-focused as a department, nor are we highly ranked at all.

>>9453334
i would absolutely pay a dollar to smash a car with a sledgehammer.

>>9457556
Tbh if ure good enough you dont even really need a degree. A.k.a meme.