/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9429747
But we are slowly terraforming it from the ocean.

One day we'll be able to control the continental plates, and we'll split them up further creating smaller continents to avoid shitty continental climates and deserts.

>>9429747
Because we're not trying to terraform Australia

>>9429763

Why not

>>9429747
Would Emustan be better if it was a forested landmass like Europe?

by hoping really really hard.

>>9429812
the Australians

>>9429747
We're terraforming Australia right now, along with everywhere else on Earth
For example, the great barrier reef is well on its way to becoming the great desolate seabed

>>9429747
spaceman spiffs are so fucking delusional it's embarrassing. They play games like halo and mass effect or watch star wars and genuinely believe that is a totally attainable reality.

>>9429747
Easy, just make some canals. Use the stuff you dig up to make tons of Palm Island resorts.

>>9429863

Holy shit why don't we do this with Africa

>>9429880
>just creating more living space for niggers
"no"

>>9429880
>irrigate the sahara
>its still filled with arabs and niggers

hooray

>>9429886

Then they will stop coming to us

>>9429887
>>9429886
Maybe they'd stop immigrating everywhere else.

>>9429890
A lot of Africa is extremely habitable already. Didn't stop them.

>>9429888
>>9429890
they will stop coming to us if we stop letting them in.

>>9429896
So much this.

>>9429747
Would irrigation help turn arud landscapes fertile?

>>9429916
If something like this >>9429863 was done on a massive scale, it would create a completely different climate due to the evaporation of the water. From there you can use smaller scale irrigation to grow more plants. The extra greenery will also increase local humidity and help further change the climate.

>>9429916
>would water make dry climates wetter?

>>9429863
The amount of land partioned off here is like the equivalent landmass of the entire country of Japan, my man.

>>9429935
It just gets moved and used to make resorts. The benefits are great.

>>9429942
Yeah it'll just take the entire planet's effort and 20 years but sure.

>>9429863
that wouldn't fix anything

>>9429946
>>9429949
>improving the planet
>not worth doing

>>9429949
It would change the climate as in >>9429923

>>9429954
>improving something that has developed and evolved over billions of years
Good luck with that. If you really want to make a difference and SAVE the planet then consider working on way to reduce african and arab (and few other non white) populations to 0

>>9429985
who let you out of the containment board

>>9429993
Who let you into civilized world?

>>9429985
We are talking about Australia, not your /pol/ wet dream continent, kid.

>>9429863
And you're going to irrigate the desert with sea water?

>>9430013
see: >>9429923

But, yes, though desalinization needs to be done. Best to use solar desalinization. Those big canals wouldn't be specifically for irrigation. they are for evaporation.

>>9430003
You cannot, such massive terraforming would destroy many animal and plant species and their habitats.

>>9430108
Remember, that we are taking about terraforming a desert.

>>9430108
It is a desert, you'd be turning into a non-desert. That alone is a prerequisite for completely destroying any current habitats.. Plus, I for one don't give a shit about local flora and fauna when you can import more useful ones for farming.

>>9430129
Also we ale talking about terraforming Australia.
We are more likely to set loose those species on an unprepared world than make them go extinct.
You do not want those suckers hitting the mainland.

>>9430129
>>9430138
Stop being so ignorant. Not every desert is the Sahara, and even the Sahara has diverse flora and fauna

>Plus, I for one don't give a shit about local flora and fauna when you can import more useful ones for farming.
Hmmm, what does this remind me of...
Oh right
>Plus, I for one don't give a shit about local flora and fauna when you can import more useful ones for hunting
- Australians a few hundred years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia

>>9430138
Why not just terraform amazon rainforests then and use the land for farming you retarded cunt

>>9430154
We are you tard.

>>9430153
Don't fucking care. Plus, there's already all the farming flora and fauna needed already in Australia. You just have to import it to the once-a-desert area.

>>9429888
Africans from forested lands like Nigeria and Ghana for some reason still try to run to Europe.

>>9430168
And we'll tell the new plants and animals that they can't leave that area, thus avoiding the original problem.

>>9429747
We should start in on Antarctica. Apart from penguins, there's no indigenous population in the way.

>>9429880
Invest in Africa? See Detroit.

>>9430027
Those canals are going to have to be dug deep. If they're, say, 20 ft deep throughout, the water won't flow in. The interior of the continent is probably higher than its edges.
It would have to be desalinated and pumped. If we ever get cheap fusion energy, that MIGHT be the time to consider such a project. It MIGHT also be time to consider terraforming Mars, snagging comets and putting them on collision orbits.

If you're interested in what might be done to make Earth a more comfortable place for humans, see if you can get a copy of "Engineer's Dreams" by Willy Ley.
Or see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression_Project..
On the other hand, Google "Geoengineering Africa" to see the risks. Every proposal has side-effects.

The upside of altering Mars is that there aren't any Martians to protest the plan. Or (so far) any colonists who'd want to stop comets from raining down on them.

>>9430205
Are you familiar with the term brain drain?

>>9429863
For all the 'tards meming on this answer. The top end is tropical and receives lots of rain. There was once a plan to build a canal from the top left end of Australia down to the bottom left, over 5000 km I guess.

There is lots of "terraforming" going on in some areas of those semi-inhabitable areas of Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ord_River

>>9430223
>>9430153
>>9430108
You misunderstand. The entire desert becomes forest and farmland. EVERYTHING would change, completely fucking over the current flora and fauna is the entire purpose.

>>9430275
>these tech problems are techy and problems

No shit.

>The upside of altering Mars

There is no upside for that unless robots are going to live there and farm shit to send other places. Humans can't live on Mars.

>>9430291
Pretty neat.

>>9429863
If we did that we may as well blanket the entire thing with greenhouses like the entire desert in Spain. The canals and desalinization plants would give water to the greenhouses. Australia would supply the world with food for ultra cheap after a while.

>>9430462
>greenhouses-almeria

Which also has a really neat climate effect:

https://geographyfieldwork.com/AlmeriaClimateChange.htm

>A Greenhouse effect has cooled the climate of Almería
>Since the 1980s, Almería in southern Spain has developed the largest concentration of greenhouses in the world, covering 26,000 hectares. The greenhouses reflect so much sunlight back into the atmosphere that they are actually cooling the province, Spanish researchers have found. While temperatures in the rest of Spain have climbed at rates above the world average, meteorological observatories located in the so-called sea of plastic have shown them moving in the opposite direction, with a decline of 0.3 degrees per decade. The strange phenomenon had not gone unnoticed in scientific circles, and now a study has suggested a plausible explanation: the white colour of the plastic reflects sunlight into the atmosphere as if it were a mirror, and it slows the warming of the surface. In this way, the greenhouses at a local level offset the rising temperatures associated with global warming...

>>9430463
>...The work, which has just been published in the Journal of Geophysical Research, has been coordinated by a group of researchers led by Paul Campra, a professor at the University of Almería (LAU) assisted by Monica Garcia, Yolanda Canton and Alicia Palacios.

>During the first phase of the study, temperatures of the two major weather stations in the area, Las Palmerillas-Cajamar and La Mojonera, were analysed and compared with those from other stations immediately adjacent to the region. The result was that temperatures in the region have fallen by an average of 0.9 degrees since 1980, when greenhouses expansion began, while in Malaga, Granada and Murcia-San Javier the increase has varied between 1 and 3 degrees. Thus there has been a difference of more than two degrees. There have been no significant changes in rainfall.

>Temperatures at Almería airport increased during the 1980s, but then decreased in the 90s, reaching a balance of virtually zero change. "You can see how the greenhouses are increasing as the years pass," said Campra. The process of greenhouse expansion has now plateaued or is declining.

>>9430466
>The second phase of the study involved researchers analysing changes in light reflectivity called the albedo effect, using data provided by the Modis Terra satellite and NASA. The results were striking: since 1983, the albedo in the Almería has increased, with 9% more energy reflected into the atmosphere. The landscape has changed from semi-arid scrub to one covered almost exclusively by white plastic, a colour that best reflects the light. Because of changes in land use, the energy balance in the area has decreased by 20 watts per square metre (30 watts in summer), an effect much greater than changes caused by a global warming, an estimated increase of 1.66 watts.

>Campra assumes that the study is controversial, but insists that there is no other explanation "with demonstrable evidence." For example, there has been speculation that temperatures may be affected by the Mediterranean sea, but this is not possible because local sea temperatures have risen 0.3 degrees per decade. Campra believes that irrigation water may have had some influence but "drip feed irrigation or hydroponics predominate and evaporation water acts as a powerful greenhouse gas."

>There is rich irony in greenhouses raising doubts about greenhouse gases as the main driver of climate change. If greenhouses are the cause of local cooling in Almería, changing global land use, particularly the increase in urbanisation, may have a far greater role in global warming than has been previously realised.

>>9429830
abos would burn it again

>>9430281
I mean refugees not legal migrants.

>>9429747
>Terraform Australia
Already been done. Abbos turned a temperate forested island into desert to get rid of terror birds and carnivorous wolf-roo things.

Do you people even know how deserts work?

>>9430168
I'm Australian, I have lived in remote areas before (google "Mantamaru community") and part of my degree is learning how to manage construction.

Every time someone wants to build a road through the bush they have to catalogue all the plants and animals that live there, take seeds from the trees they will knock down, be sure as hell that there's a place for all the animals to relocate to, and if there's not, they gotta capture as many as they can and relocate them themselves. Then they have to make a shitload of noise and vibrations to scare off anything that still lives there. They have to do this for every square meter, every bush, every tree. And god help them if they find something rare, the whole build goes out the window.

THEN aboriginal elders have to walk the entire area and if they find any artifacts or sacred sites (and in huge swaths of reasonably unexplored desert, they will find heaps) the build needs to be moved.

From the planning stage, without even thinking about the build, doing these things in an area this massive is impossible.

>>9431001
Of course, but when you radically change things like what is shown ITT, it usurps forces like that.

>>9431101
That's retarded. They should raze the entire place, pave it, and displace all the natives. Better things can be done than protecting some worthless animals and bugaboos. They are cucking themselves to hell and back, just like all the funding they are stripping from their science agencies and programs. Australia is a big fat vacuum of stupidity. At least in the USA we got rid of nearly all the natives and shoved the rest of them into the most worthless place on the continent..

>>9429747 >>9429763 >>9429863
Australian Taxes would skyrocket.
Australian Tax Payers would have to pay that.
USA can't even build Trump's Wall.

Many Americans (Rednecks) complain about the Taxpaying money "thrown away" by funding the NASA's expensive space missions.

cost efficiency

>>9430108
you're one of those fuckers that says the cloud forest of ascension island is a bad thing aren't you

>>9431101
you should use peaceful nuclear explosions to dig the canals, using the most sacred landmarks of the indigenous as navigation waypoints.

>>9429747
>can't
Give me a team of 8 scientists, 20 lab techs, and 20 billion dollars (in USD) and I'll terraform Australia for you.

>>9429747
You are not supposed to fuck with natural order of things anon especially things on that grand of a scale.
>but Mars used to be wet and warm anon

due to the ethical issues associated with it Mars will likely not be terraformed, Humans will probably be space dwellers and live on space stations and spaceships and moon colonies.

>>9431224
>You are not supposed to
""""supposed to""""
kill yourself my man

>>9431199
Nukes would create a geologically unstable area, if you want further proof look to North Koreas mountain fatigue syndrome.
Abos want to live their lifestyle that way because its their heritage and its their right to.

Same thing goes for Native Americans, you cant just force people into the 21st century you retarded dipshit

>>9431200
oh lad you're gonna need more money than that
AUS still reckons itself a 1st world country

>>9431200
20 billion wouldn't terraform Australia and even if you tried you would get anally wrecked by NATO or someone else.

you don't fuck with the earths climate and weather without knowing the full consequences.

>>9431224
>>9431261
>you don't fuck with the earths climate and weather without knowing the full consequences.
>You are not supposed to fuck with natural order of things anon especially things on that grand of a scale.

Um, sweeties, no. Australia was once lush and green. The original humans who settled there fucking destroyed it to the point of turning it into a wasteland desert. That was before it became a prison colony then a country. The same thing most likely happened to the Sahara even longer ago. America's grass plains were once forests before the natives cut everything down. Then the settlers' descendants turned those plains into a dust bowl. If drastic changes had not been done, there'd be a huge extra desert in all the the middle of the USA.

>>9431327
kek

>>9429845
noice

>>9429747
Just Give Australia center to Jews and 30 years aborigines will be dead and central Australia will be eden garden.

>>9431122
>Americans (Rednecks) complain about the Taxpaying money "thrown away" by funding the NASA's expensive space missions.
The only Americans that bitch are the ones that want to give gibs to the """underprivileged"""

"Rednecks" don't give a fuck

>water crops with sea water
Nigger have you heard of easter island? After they fucked it entirely the sea water was still too acidic to support new vegetation

>>9429747
I hate Austarians so fucking much

>>9431507
>austarian
>juanmerika is tha best!11

>>9429812
becuz monens

>>9429863
this would work but the land already is owned by some retards.

Just send redneck to Mars. They like cockroach- survive anywhere. Best part? Only need two! Hillbilly think "fiance" mean "sister"! NAHAHAHA!

>>9429812
cause no one cares about upside-down land

>>9429812
People don't wanna destroy this unique habitat for your pleasure (even though cat fags probably have doomed the local fauna)

>>9430281
Smart people find better ways to emigrate than jumping aboard a crammed dingy boat that'll probably sink a couple miles off the shore

>>9431632
>>9429863
Actually central Australia is below sea level, you'd just need to build a canal and you'd have an inland sea that would greatly moderate the climate there.

>>9429763
/thread

>>9431108
>replacing superior beings
Hmm...?

>>9431696
>smart people
Says who?
>>9430499
They are people too.

>>9431987
>they are people too
With no marketable skills

>>9429880
>rhodesia

>>9429863
>importing salt water into an arid desert with poor soils and high evaporation

Yes, surely this will make arable land. What could go wrong?

>>9429923
>it would create a completely different climate due to the evaporation of the water.

You mean like around the Red Sea? Idiot

>>9430154
They did. It's called cattle farming and it destroyed the ecosystem

>>9431327
It is actually a wonder Europe and everything around it isn't a desert. Historians think that it would have been had it not been for Genghis Khan's killing people that much of Asian would be a desert now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1350272/Genghis-Khan-killed-people-forests-grew-carbon-levels-dropped.html

Europe would probably be a desert now too had it not been for both forest conservation and the gulf stream bringing so much rain. Humans have changed the environments so fucking much in the past it is pretty crazy. Just remember that when you watch a sci-fi movie or read a book where there's an untouched alien world with a large desert. The desert is probably out of place.

>>9431499
Never heard of desalinization? You can do it anywhere the sun shines or I suppose you could use filters and fossil fuels but that's just retarded.

>>9431720
see pic

>>9432089
You're a dumbass. Australia is a desert because it resides in the horse latitudes. Europe is not a desert because it doesn't.

>>9432095
How are you supposed to desalinate the soil, stupid? Australia already has a massive saline soil problem.

>>9429863
So much this, if done properly.

>>9432040
Damn,

http://www.rhodesia.me.uk/GoldenDawn.htm

>>9432064
>>9432076
You're a moron, read the thread.

>>9432096
Learn some history, kid.

>>9432099
You don't need to. You only desalinate the water you are using. The salt water would be too far down to be a problem for crop lands and such.

>>9432105
>Learn some history, kid.

I already know it. Let me guess, you actually believe aboriginals destroyed the forests with fire? lol

>>9432105
>The salt water would be too far down to be a problem for crop lands and such.

Yeah lucky there's NO WAY for salt to be brought to the surface through the soil :^)

>>9432107
>t. flatearth reptilian Hillary poster

>>9429747
>Terraform Australia
Australia is already terraformed fgt pls

>>9432114
I honestly wish I was part of a new world order to eradicate stupids like you

>>9432112
Water tables are pretty stable actually. This is why you are not walking around in soupy mud everywhere you do. In order to change that you have to actually drill wells and pump the water up. If you are suing desalinization using sea water from canals you'll actually be helping to maintain the fresh water table underground because of all the fresh water you are putting on the crops.

>>9432118
>Water tables are pretty stable actually.

Yeah unless there's like, I dunno, rainfall or something. But it's not like rain would be a problem in this area specifically engineered to create rain

>>9431987
>They are people too.
Please, this is a serious subject, jokes are in bad taste.

>>9432126
Yeah, I didn't mention rain since it is mostly a desert, but it does the same thing as the freshwater irrigation.

>turns out /sci/ can't into irrigation
>OP talks about Mars and compares it to Australian desert
>anon, hops on that with massive large scale irrigation project
>no one even mentions that there's on oceans on Mars for their to be a giant desalinization canal project

The state of this board.

>>9429747
Didn't Gadaffi almost terraform Libya until the West killed him?

>>9432105
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Inq-nszYdo

>>9429747
Mars isn't covered in huge spiders.

Canals can be easily dug with fission powered devices.

>>9430499
And? Most immigrants from those countries are more wealthy than you'll ever be in your life.

You should be more worried about Somalis, arabs, etc.

>>9431108
>At least in the USA we got rid of nearly all the natives and shoved the rest of them into the most worthless place on the continent..
This is why nobody takes us americans seriously. I have yet to interact with an educated person who spews this much bullshit.

>>9429747
>>9429863
Terraforming Australia is very easy with solar panels and desalination plants.

>>9429753
but what about lava?

>>9431327
actually the indians didn't cut down the american forests, that would be too much work.
instead, they just burned it down, and kept burning the prairies to keep them staying as grassland

>>9432948
Same thing.

>>9429747
>completely terraform Australia
>BIBLICAL PLAGUE OF SPIDERS SPREADING INTO EVERY COUNTRY FROM EVERY PORT

>>9433595
lol I thought of this too. They think there's lots of spiders now? Hollllyyyy shit there will be quadrillions of them per acre if the entire thing gets greened over.

>>9433664
I kinda want to get to Australia and spread the deadly spiders to others continents.
I'm not a supervillain, promises, just a genocidal racist that want to find ways to kill subhumans.

>>9433891
only works if you can teach the spiders to be racist

>>9433664
daddylonglegs aren't considered spiders

>>9432165
We're talking about emu land now mate, not that planet

>>9434296
And that isn't Australia so I don't see the point of mentioning it.

>>9433043
one requires actual work
the other requires standing upwind of the fire

>>9434289
>thinking racism is taught
good goy

>>9429747
Wouldn't it be easier to build shelters on mars and alter humans to thrive in those shelters than it would be to make mars into another earth.

>>9429747
Because humans have already basically terraformed the entire world for their survival and then comfort

>>9435542
Correct, but neither will ever happen.

>>9429747
Every past attempt to forcibly modify an ecosystem has failed so spectacularly, that present-day conservation biologists actually think it's better to not interefere in any way, even in the case of collapsing ecosystem.
The only last-resort measure that is still used is forced extinction of individual species.

>>9437203
>Every past attempt
hmm

>>9431365
>will be dead
>will be stuck in a walled settlement
FTFY

They're great, but don't give them credit for things they don't actually do.

>>9429886
Actually it would completely destroy africa . Or Australia.just like it destroyed the UAE coast, the only thing that allows for life there now is money.

Well the difference between Mars and Australia is that Mars might have intelligent life on it.