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>TL;DR nobody but Computer Science graduates have any hope of finding employment in their field
>https://archive.is/qtvwW

And here Reddit shills are assuring the goyim that there's nothing to worry about, if you're a """high quality candidate""", you'll surely land that high paying job
https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/7av2ce/stem_career_job_stats_bad_news_for_anyone_not_in/

>> No.9416053

>>9416046
>reddit.com
You have to go back.

>> No.9416058

Dont forget that the author is using 3 year old statistics to represent 2017's job projections. Not saying it isnt true, but it does look problematic.

>> No.9416068

>counting codemonkey jobs I used to do in highschool to avoid working at mcdonalds as computer science jobs

>> No.9416070

A good STEM degree can get you any undergraduate job. I know engineers and math majors who have gone into marketing, general lab work, coding jobs, etc. Who fucking knows how that author quantified the jobs for each sector? There's so much cross over in STEM at the undergraduate level that it doesn't even matter what you major in, as long as it's not something retarded like biology, which is truly worthless for anything but pre-med.

>> No.9416076

>>9416046
This is a problem in every field not just stem. So might as well have a smart degree.

>> No.9416078

>>9416070
>biology
How to spend the next 40 years of your life doing grunt work as a lab technician

>> No.9416180

>>9416046
>the number of degrees awarded, bachelors, majors & PhD's counted together
>vs job openings
Most people get a bachelor degree and then major, so wouldn't the number of actual people seeking employment be overestimated?

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>>9416046
>You could literally be the lowest gpa in your graduating class and still get a job with a CS degree
>You would have to have amazing connections and an extremely attractive (top 5%) gpa to even get a shit job in math

Lol, what people don't realize is that you can teach literally any area of computer science to a math major and they'll pick it up in a fraction of the time it took the CS major. In fact, many researches at Lawrence Livermore in CS research have a math degree and a background in CS.

>t. family member of an intern at LL

>> No.9416299

>>9416223
what about all the math majors who don't like using computers or programming. From my experience of talking with friends in engineering courses its expected that they know programming however most of their class absolutely hates programming

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>>9416046
This. STEM was a lie. You can go to a one month coding bootcamp and make twice as much money doing significantly easier work than if you got a four science or engineering degree. Except everyone here is too butthurt to let go of the STEM superiority delusion, so they blame reports of the shit job market on the individual, saying they weren't above average enough.

>> No.9416309

>>9416078
No fucking kidding, some tech in my lab is 28 and just got a 55k job

>> No.9416334

>>9416299
Enjoy the government dole I guess.

>> No.9416343

Most engineers don't even want to work in engineering. They're only in for the mathematical foundation they get in their BA and connections.
>but engineers don't learn real math
Well, they certainly don't get to the level of physicists or mathematicians, but they know a lot more than people in shit like liberal arts, biology or economics. And enough for a lot of them to start companies, go to finance or reach c-level positions at big corporations.

>> No.9416375

>>9416070
>I know engineers and math majors who have gone into marketing, general lab work, coding jobs, etc.
Then why not just study to become a marketer, lab technician, or programmer instead of studying something unrelated and then taking your chances finding a job?

>> No.9416420

>>9416046
>"The number of graduates with technical majors (shown: bachelor, master and Ph.D. degrees awarded..."
This alone is enough to dismiss the article.

>> No.9416428

>>9416375
Not even the same guy you replied to, but see >>9416343
Companies just won't hire marketing majors, technicians or whatever for roles related to their specific education.
For some reason, employers love engineers. I guess that's because they can do math and are mostly not autistic as mathematicians and physicists (which could also land high paying jobs, but prefer going to academia or teach middle and HS kids).

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>>9416428
>Companies just won't hire marketing majors, technicians or whatever for roles related to their specific education.
But that's wrong. Ignoring the separate issue of applying to jobs you're unqualified for and untrained in, if anything STEM majors are at a disadvantage because they have poor social skills.

>> No.9416628

stemlords btfo

>> No.9416673

>>9416442
>But that's wrong.
How is that wrong? It's what happens. Engineers are the ones running businesses, not business majors. Engineers are the ones doing marketing, not marketeers. Engineers are the ones handling capital, not economists, accountants or finance majors. And so on.
I do have to say that I live in a third world country, but I don't think America or Europe is any different.

>> No.9416680

>>9416442
Also, unless you are born with a genius-level interpersonal IQ, social skills will only take you so far. For the vast majority of people, even chads who can pull up any pussy they want, social skills won't enable you to start a software company at Sillicon Valley or land a job at NASA. Technical skills are definitely required. Otherwise, art majors wouldn't be unemployed by default.

>> No.9416691

>>9416673
>Engineers are the ones handling capital, not economists, accountants or finance majors.

I don't know about the other disciplines but this one is definitely not true. Although I agree with you point that having a STEM degree opens more doors than people think. 'If he's smart enough for STEM he should be smart enough for this job' is a thought process that employers often go through. Especially for positions where a great deal is learned on the job and a degree doesn't really prepare for. It doesn't work like that for every field of course, there are plenty of non-STEM jobs which actually require a degree in said field to perform, like accounting or psychology.

>> No.9416720

>>9416046
>"""high quality candidate"""
ya top 25% or better pretty much guarantees you a job.... moving on... in your picture except life sciences..

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>>9416720
>3 in 4 chance of being unemployable
>STEM IS THE BEST!!!!111!!1111one
What did he mean by this?

>> No.9416821

>>9416761
There is nothing wrong with this. I graduated as a mechanical engineer and I am not joking when I say that ~75% of my class should not have been given a degree. Modern universities push retards through with C's all the time. Exam averages were 40-60% in pretty much every class, and people thought I was a genius for scoring A's and B's, even though I only studied ~40 hours a week

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9417043

The problem for most STEM majors is they don't want to work hard jobs. I have a chemistry degree and I got a job in manufacturing. I work 60-70 hours a week at 25/hr.

Look for industry jobs; semiconductors, food processing, oil and gas etc

tl;dr don't be a fucking pussy

>> No.9417050

>>9417043
>just work 70 hours a week bro
yeah, no

>> No.9417055
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9417055

CS

MASTER

RACE

get fucked /sci/

>> No.9417057

>>9416046
Engineers absolutely BTFO.
Glad I'm doing CS.

>> No.9417067

>>9416046
>too late to change my major
i'm honestly considering dropping out, going back to a CC, and applying to a state school for CS

there is NO WORK for EE. AT ALL.

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>>9417050
12 hour shifts, so only 5 or 6 days a week. But that's all voluntary over time. Regular schedule is 3 or 4 days on with 4 and 3 days off.

But whatever dude, 9-5 pipette bitch is cool too.

>> No.9417075

>>9416070
>A good STEM degree can get you any undergraduate job
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
delusional engineer at it again

>> No.9417096

>>9416299
That's because the classes fucking blow absolute wiener. I personally tested out of the programming classes but I see the programming labs they post and they give me brain cancer. I can't speak for or against this next point but a lot of the students I talk to who are taking the classes say the profs don't teach the language at all but only go over the application and memory aspect of it.

>> No.9417098

>>9416046
Like I've always said:

ALWAYS do the opposite of what /sci/ says.
Glad you guys are gonna end up on the streets. Enjoy.

>> No.9417103

>>9417067
Are you fucking kidding me right now? You might just be bad with interviews or your engineering skills suck desu. EE has jobs out of the ass dude.

>> No.9417105

>>9417103
AHAHAHAHAHA
Absolutely delusional, my man. You only find work if you go to a top five. I went to UCSD, and even though I got a 3.78 with two internships, I didn't find work.

I work at Best Buy, at the moment.

>> No.9417110

>>9417103
you do realize ee jobs have literally negative growth right

>> No.9417121

Given the facts that CS is also heavily shilled by the government programs bringing niggers and women into the field means in 10-15 years CS will be in the same situation and CS majors will earn pennies

>> No.9417126

>>9417121
engineering will be even worse by then, so we still win lmao

>> No.9417131

It's possible to self learn CS?
t. Engineer

>> No.9417138

>>9417131
friend to interviewer here
you can self-teach CS, but nobody, and I mean nobody will consider you if you don't have a CS degree

sorry bud

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/education/edlife/choosing-a-college-major.html
>Interpretive dance may not be in demand, but the competencies that liberal arts majors emphasize - writing, synthesis, problem solving - are sought after by employers.
>>9417131
you can self-teach everything, but you have way smaller chances of being employed without a diplomma

>> No.9417141

>>9417131
>he thinks companies give a shit about engineering graduates when they have tons of CS grads coming their way
>at career fairs, companies literally have to specify that they ONLY want CS majors
Lmao @ your lives, engies.

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9417142

>>9417131
>he fell for the "you don't need a computer science or comp eng degree for a software engineer position" meme

>> No.9417149

>>9417140
>“Once C.E.O.s see liberal arts graduates in action,” Mr. Anders said, “they come aboard to the idea that they need more of them.”
holy fuck my sides, are they trying to make themselves feel better or what?

>> No.9417150

>>9417110
>>9417105
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/electrical-and-electronics-engineers.htm
What countries are you guys in? Electrical Engineers get really good jobs practically the day following graduation. You can literally work for a place like Home Depot and be making $45/hour at least, I say this because my bud is doing exactly that.
And for >>9417105 specifically, that sounds extremely odd. Maybe get some interview practice under your belt and do some projects (such as designing and making some electronics or some shit), how long have you been without an engineering job?

>> No.9417153

>>9417150
>how long have you been without an engineering job?
since spring 2016
nearly 90% of my graduating class didn't get a job in engineering, either. fun little fact.

>> No.9417158

Marketing is a pretty sweet gig from what I've heard.

>> No.9417160

>>9417158
meant for
>>9416070

>> No.9417162
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>>9417121
>>9417126
These are both correct, largely.

These pushes are motivated by desire to drive down wages and can and will happen to any field that comes after programming. The only answer is for Gen Y and Gen Z to take whatever money they can get from whatever jobs they can score, and start preparing for entrepreneurship.

Rather than waiting, for example, for anti-senescence tech to become a thing, you can start a company of your own that will pursue it. Potential profits are huge. Same goes for any field where creativity and risk is discarded in favor of safe profits.

>> No.9417163

>>9417142

You can definitely work as a software engineer without a computer science degree.

What isn't so straightforward is being a software engineer in a specialized project area without expertise in said project area. As a 21-year-old new graduate, I joined such a specialized team (security) staffed by people with a decade+ each of industry experience. Each of these individuals also happened to not have computer science degree (math was the most common degree), and you could tell due to their lack of familiarity with now-fundamental aspects of security, applied cryptography, and systems design--all things most easily picked up from a well-rounded CS program.

I was ultimately promoted (within a year) beyond the level of my team members literally only because my familiarity with computer science fundamentals gave me more proficiency in my day-to-day work.

>> No.9417172

>>9417153
>nearly 90% of my graduating class didn't get a job in engineering, either. fun little fact.
I'm gonna need some sources or proof to believe this. This is nearly unbelievable. Just glancing at some readily available numbers from multiple different sources be it from the Fed. or State shows that there's at least about eight million STEM jobs. While not all of these are engineering jobs, obviously, engineering is pretty big and has a million jobs or so I'd guess and having an engineering degree would still leave you open to other STEM fields.

>> No.9417174

>>9417162
Or you could just move outside the US and have another 10-15 years of good pay.

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>>9417174
That's of course an option but lots of people naturally prefer to stay in their homeland if they can.

>> No.9417183

>>9417172
Not him, but any UC that isn't UCLA or UCB is shit for engineering, so it's no surprise. I know people who went to UCR and literally all of their engineering class save for like two people, didn't find a job. School rank is extremely important for engineering.

>> No.9417185

>>9417172
I did ME and had the same experience. Only the handful of women in the class, who ironically were hated by everyone for playing politics inside of every group project, ended up getting jobs. Everyone else was left to get fucked.

>> No.9417186

>>9417043
This

>> No.9417187

>>9417172
It's more common than you think and I can vouch for him.
I went to csu northridge though so I wasn't expecting a job anyway.

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>tfw sophomore in EE and reading this thread
>>9417185
So, I have to be a sneaky, back-stabbing cunt, then?

>> No.9417191

>>9417188
Switch out, now. Trust me.

>> No.9417192

>>9417140
why are engineers such shit writers? They like to make fun of humanities majors for being bad at math but I swear half of them don't know the difference between "to" and "too". And when I read their code comments every other word is misspelled.

>> No.9417195

>>9417188
Unironically yes. They were extremely good at what they did, and that was being manipulative.

>> No.9417196

>CS grads being treated like gods here
>on /g/ they're pissed on and laughed at

>> No.9417199

>>9417196
/g/ is just coping with the fact that they'll never get software engie jobs without a CS degree

>> No.9417200
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>>9416046
>Get a wildlife degree
>5 years later still doing seasonal work
>Work my ass off to get great references and even awards from all my bosses
>Still no permanent job

It sucks

>> No.9417203

>>9417196
>CS grads being treated like gods here
[by whom?]

>> No.9417204

>>9417199
pretty much, /g/ has a large NEET population that only know C and are assmad jealous of high-paying web dev jobs

>> No.9417208

>>9417204
Actually this.

>> No.9417212

>>9416305
serious question. do coding bootcamps actually get you in the door for jobs? I'm studying chemE right now, getting a minor in software eng but I've always been concerned that if say i did try to go into the CS field (ChemE is love but it ain't got shit for jobs right now), everyone would turn me away for not having a full bachelors.

>> No.9417217

>>9417212
>do coding bootcamps actually get you in the door for jobs?
No
>I'm studying chemE right now, getting a minor in software eng but I've always been concerned that if say i did try to go into the CS field (ChemE is love but it ain't got shit for jobs right now), everyone would turn me away for not having a full bachelors.
and they will.
Funny, I'm in the exact same boat, studying ChemEng at CSU Long Beach. I can say with certainty that you won't break into the CS field anytime soon. There is simply no reason to choose you over an actual CS grad. Don't believe the /g/ memes about just making good projects and whatnot. They care about that, but first and foremost, they care about that little CS degree.
Sorry, man.

>> No.9417219

>>9416058
>problematic
Leave and never come back.

>> No.9417227

>>9417217
ignore this faggot
I got a job in software and I did Civil
>>9417212
just don't be a pajeet. it's gonna be rough but it's doable. my GPA was a 3.2, for reference.

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9417230

What went wrong, /sci/?

Where did all the jobs go?

>> No.9417231

>>9417230
>What went wrong, /sci/?
The vast shilling for engineering majors.

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>>9417138
>nobody, and I mean nobody will consider you if you don't have a CS degree

>> No.9417233

>>9417227
>I got a job in software and I did Civil
Walk us through how you did it, step by step. A-asking for a friend.

>> No.9417237

>>9417232
sorry but it's true. go ahead and give it a try so you can get laughed at.
retard

>> No.9417238

>>9417212
coding bootcamps are a scam that teach you the syntax of the flavor-of-the-month js framework and that's it. they don't teach you anything on algorithm/database/systems design, data structures, algorithmic complexity, all things you need to be a sound developer. you'll be eligible for entry tier marketing jobs and that's it. they're also already starting to close because people are catching on to how much of a joke they are. when i'm looking to interview developers, even a junior position, any resume with "bootcamp" on it goes into the trash because more often than not they can't code for shit and i dont have time for hand-holding.

>> No.9417244

>>9417237
Yeah, hi. I'm an S6 officer in an Army unit and reservists from my command, and those who get out afterwards get all kinds of jobs in software without ever having been debtcucks.

That's one example on the private side. But you're a retard if you think anyone cares about your degree more than a few years out.

>> No.9417246

>>9417217
>feelsbadman
all i ever wanted to do was be a chemist. but then I found out how hard it is to actually make it as a chemist. So i decided i'd become the next best thing and become a chemE bachelor. I figured I'd be happy with that and if I really wanted to, I go pursue a pure chem PhD afterwards. I spend countless moneis and time going for a ChemE to only find out in my junior year that chemE won't give me a job, and if it does, it will be something shitty like a fucking paper and timber manufacturing facility all the way out in the middle of bum fuck no where redneck vill. If i switch to CS major now, it will add like 2 1/2 more years of studying, pushing me to like 6 1/2 years.

>>9417227
how?

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>>9417188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhED40jPsHc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADwq34oyXkY
>Omar Carmona5 months ago
>RelearnMath Do you work as an electrical engineer?

>Beyond Engineering5 months ago
>Omar Carmona Yes sir.

>Omar Carmona5 months ago
>RelearnMath What do you do?

>Beyond Engineering5 months ago
>Omar Carmona hmmmm...basically 50 percent hardware and 50 percent software development for RF related devices.

>Beyond Engineering5 months ago
>It's interesting that you bring up Medtronic...Several people that I graduated with currently work there...the degrees break down like this...20 percent mechanical Engineers, 30 percent Software/Comp Sci, and 50 percent Electrical. Biomedical is in a way a subfield of Electrical, so if you don't want to do full on Biomedical to increase your range of opportunities, I would suggest Electrical.

>> No.9417254

>>9417246
I spent 4.5 years fucking around at a CC, doing stupid shit like 5 unit semesters before finally transferring, and I'm gonna take 3 years to finish up ChemEng. I also can't switch my major to Comp Sci, unless I were to go back to a JC and apply to another state school for comp sci.

Be glad you're not me.

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>>9417196
/g/ is pissed off that all the competition drives down wages to what no self-respecting programmer should accept.
What we're discussing is that the grads at least have jobs in the first place. The reality is that the bar has been dropped down to the fucking ground---you have to stop giving a shit about integrity and focus on survival.

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>>9417246
You can be a chemist---as a business owner. You have to raise capital and do your studying on the side.

Sure, creating a startup is hard---but you won't cuck yourself to incompetent suits who care about literally nothing but profit, and have no real mind for innovation. That's just the reality of this economy we've inherited.

>> No.9417283

>>9417270
>-but you won't cuck yourself to incompetent suits who care about literally nothing but profit
lel yes you will. they'll just be wearing turtleneck sweaters, have beards, and speaking with more bullshit language than usual.

>> No.9417286

>>9417283
I don't catch your drift.

>> No.9417366

>>9417260
>self-respecting programmer
CONTRADICTION. KERNEL PANIC.

>> No.9417478

>>9417200
what the hell is a wildlife degree?

>> No.9417501

if there's any anons on here recruiting a Biochemistry graduate in the UK, look no further.
I'm your man ;)

>> No.9417522

>>9417286
Steve Jobs wore a turtleneck sweater, and had a beard. Also VCs.

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>>9417200
go to graduate school you stupid fuck, the market is oversaturated for literally ANYTHING besides babby's first field work.

If you don't care about being in Bumblefuck, South Dakota counting bees for the rest of your life, then keep going. If you want an adult job, you need more school famalam

>> No.9417616

Those are all programming jobs, most of which don't require a CS degree.

>> No.9417919

>>9417246
>like a fucking paper and timber manufacturing facility all the way out in the middle of bum fuck no where redneck vill
Low cost of living + engineering salary. Nigga you could be buying a house in 5 years

>> No.9417946

>>9417522
That's what I thought he meant, but that's dumb. If you own the startup, you're the Steve Jobs, if you want to be. If you have capital, then you don't need the venture capitalists, at least not to the extent that you must fork over your company to them.

>> No.9417954

>>9417599
my sides

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2nd year Physics major\CS minor here. How differently do employers look at CS minors as opposed to majors?
I seriously doubt I'll be accepted into a physics masters program, let alone a job.

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>>9417971

>> No.9417982

>>9416309
I mean, that's fucking good.

>> No.9417990

What can I do with Biochemistry? Is it worth doing it?

>> No.9417991

>>9417990
You can clean my boots

>> No.9417994

>>9417991
I'll suck your cock if you give me a job!

>> No.9417997

>>9417994
Are you a girl (male)?

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>>9417990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGiIsP387qk

85cube1 year ago
biotech is one of the most booming fields right now

bigsexy1 year ago
u need a biochem, molecular biology, cell bio or microbiology to do anything in biotech. also it depends on the area you're in

85cube1 year ago
then just take a master's in those areas. there's big money in the field, it's well worth the price and additional 2 yrs

Narrexx Sarius11 months ago
the biggest problem is too many people are studying biology. There are just not enough jobs for all those people.

BIGTR33TR0N6 months ago
85cube only if you live In boston

>> No.9418010

Think I just won't bother with stem. Criminology it is!

>> No.9418015

>>9417990
You could work in Biotechnology or Biomedical Engineering perhaps but you'd probably need a Master's degree.

>>9418010
That's an even worse choice. If you find yourself wanting to quit, but still willing to go to school the common recommendation these days is to learn a skilled trade in trade school.

>> No.9418025

Does computer science require serious maths skills? I can code, did it through A-Levels and did well. It was never that maths serious, but Uni CS sounds like it is. I'm not that good at maths though.

>> No.9418262

>>9417043
>Parents are nurses with vocational LPN degrees
>Per diem 28/hr
>Weekends and holidays 42/hr

STEM why?

>> No.9418297

>>9418262
Because lmao science bitch

>> No.9418475

more life science programs should have programming options. we had a couple of programming courses specifically for biology students at my school, but they were limited seating and hard to get into. i feel cheated since they came out with bioinformatics and comp bio programs after i graduated. i would've jumped on those if they had them when i was around.

>> No.9418626

>>9418025
Not if you want to be a typical software engineer. There are more scientifically inclined CS paths one could take where having a strong math background is necessary, but the majority of CS is code monk.

>> No.9418667

>>9416070
lol have you sat in an interview for software engineering position????
take a look at these problems and see how many of the "medium" difficulty ones you can do: https://leetcode.com/problemset/all/

>> No.9418671

>>9418262
>nursing
uhh I guess that's STEM

>> No.9418677

>Computer science
What about genetics (and population genetics), math, etc?

>> No.9418694

>>9418677
Bioinformatics is one of the few viable subfields if you are seeking employment.

>> No.9418706

>>9416070
>>9416078
Why do you faggots act like genetics, Biomath and biophysics aren’t a thing?

>> No.9418722

>everyone saying go CS
FUCK OFF, we're full. wages aren't that good, and google said they're investing several billions into programs to get people to learn programming because they want to pay even lower wages to developers, even though they colluded with the other big 4 for years to keep wages low. CS job prospects, by the year, are becoming less and less attractive.

>> No.9418740

>>9416078
>have to get a PhD in quantitative genetics before anyone will hire me

>> No.9418750

>>9416442
Poor social skills? We are not all autist my friend

>> No.9418759

>>9417919
>engineering salary
So $50k a year? Wow, really living large. I've actually applied to those types of jobs and not only are they shit, but the pay is also shit because they think they can pay you less due to the lower cost of living.

>> No.9418772

>>9418750
>Poor social skills?
Yes. By poor social skills I mean being an attractive young woman. See >>9417185.

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9418779

Everyone who says STEM has no jobs always fails to mention where there ARE jobs. (Read: nowhere). The entire job market is shit. Period. So you might as well do what you like.

>> No.9418787

>>9418779
People in STEM complaining about having no jobs are whiny bitches. Go get a humanities degree and you'll know the actual meaning of unemployment.

>> No.9418842

>>9418772
*not being

>> No.9419003

I'm going into electronic engineering in a few months. Should I quickly change to CS?

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9419122

>>9419003

>> No.9419355

Physics & Comp Sci master race w/ minor in Methematics

But seriously though will there be jobs for me in Physics that make me money to save up for entrepreneurial shit?

>> No.9419426

>>9418759
Are you a brainlet or just jelly? Engineers make the most out of any STEM degree holder. This is why this board is as shit as /pol/, full of people who think they are smart but have no clie about squat shit.

>> No.9419481

>>9419426
I am an engineer and that was an engineering salary. Literally what did he mean by this?

>> No.9419507

>>9419426
Engineer here, There are too fucking many of us and the wages are starting to get pushed downwards. Also every job requires 3 years experience there is a foot in door problem.

>> No.9419532

>>9418759
>50k/year
If you're getting paid anything other than by the hour, you're a cuck.

>> No.9419609

>>9419532
What do you get paid? Or are you a college freshman like I think you are?

>> No.9419622

>>9418667
>that list of problems is supposed to be hard
Is this bait?

>> No.9419658

>>9418667
>>9419622
This. The medium ones are really easy, but some of the hard ones made me think a little bit first.

t. mechanical engineer and programming hobbyist

>> No.9419667

>>9417172
i went to a dedicated engineering school with an outstanding placement rate and most guys weren't getting engineering jobs. they were getting into project management or finance.

>> No.9419700

Is genetics a field with any possible opportunity for jobs? Should i just drop out and start flipping used guitars and sneakers straight away?

>> No.9419732

>>9419609
25.10
I like actually being paid for hours I work over 40.

>> No.9419734
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9419734

Finance major here from a state school. Oh well, sucks to not be in STEM.

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9419796

>>9419732
>$48k a year base
The absolute state of STEM

>> No.9419808

>CS IS A MEME they said
What now, sciencefags? I'm earning momey by coding while you have to suck dick to get funding to research how to more efficiently suck dick.

>> No.9419813

Fuck. still no EE internship and it's January already. I need to learn statistics and how to code better and see if I can work my way into Software engineering. I like EE so far but I wish I had done CS + Math instead.

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9419843

What do I make of this sci?

>> No.9419865

>>9419796
Someone can't do math. ~55k base, I work 3/4 days a week, I have 12 days(12 hours each) of paid vacation, and a ton of 401k & other stock bonuses.

Better than 35k, no bennies, pipetting all day. I'm satisfied. Learning a lot and will have a lot more leverage on my next job search since this was my first one out of college.

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>>9416821
Same, except about 90%. I don't think I would hire an engineer graduating today with a sub 3.5 GPA.

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9419996

>>9417212
I went to one and yes, it did help me land a well paying dev job. I already had a programming background but was too autistic to understand everything else involved in the job search process. Networking and programming with other students that will potentially help you in the future + speed course in web development, SQL, data structures and algorithms + portfolio of projects that you can show off + resume and presentation help + onsite whiteboarding practice, in-person interviewing practice, negotiating practice, useful set of email templates, salary data from past students, etc. == good bootcamp.

>> No.9420292

>>9419958
>businesses are so delusional that they think this kind of bullshit is sustainable
What happens in 6-8 years when the applicant pool dries up because people want to avoid the reports of how horrible employers have made the engineering job market? You really won't be getting the best and brightest then. I've spoken with retired and late career engineers and they don't even know half the material that new graduates do. The notion that universities are producing underqualified candidates is categorically false.

>> No.9420434

>>9419734
According to Aaron Clarey, a Gen X Finance major, you are in an even worse position than the STEM guys.

>> No.9420440

>>9417251
>>9419843
The numbers are consistent here except for growth. Go look up EE jobs on Glassdoor and Monster and see which one's true. I think not needing experience is total bullshit, for that's the one common thing across all professional employers nowadays---hence the 0 on-the-job-training.

>> No.9420477

>>9417990
Depends on your course. If it's quite broad you get the basics on a phenomenal amount of stuff.

Our preferred recruits for a Biotech CMO company are (as fresh graduates) 'lazy' biochemists and top end chemical engineers.

It's a difficult job to recruit for hence the odd mix.

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9420481

>>9416078

>> No.9420486

I'm 2nd year maths at uni. What are my options if I'm willing to move anywhere in the world?

>> No.9420487
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9420487

>>9416046
>have a very close friend of mine for more than 20 years who got his PHD in neuroscience
>can't find a single job in the field for 5+ years, even in the PNI
>10k in debt
>has a shitty IT job
this guy is the smartest person I knew. I wish his life didn't totally suck
Thank god for having my Uncle recommend coding or else i'd be just like him

>> No.9420490

>>9420486
Data Science.

>> No.9420516

I think people are really missing the point here

STEMfags like mathfags, physicists, even probably some engicucks are smart enough to pluck the CS jobs easy, most good universities require programming and stats courses anyway so really you're only given more options, meanwhile as a CSfag you're stuck being a codemonkey and even if there was option to do something else, you're barred because your curriculum is just practically laughable.

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9420694

Who's laughing now STEM-fags?

>> No.9420734

>>9419958
how about if the engineer only has a sub 3.5 because of humanities classes but aced all his STEM classes? You are gonna pass that guy up because he got a B in sociology, arts, and shakespeare?

>> No.9420740

>>9420516
>mathfags
>engiecucks
>physicists
Why didn't you put a demeaning insult attached to the physicist name? Hmmm... you outted yourself as a psychofag.

>> No.9420751

>>9416046
There are tons of "UI/UX frontend" style web developer openings that are really just glorified IT even a monkey could do, but they count as a CS job in this study, take away those and CS falls in line with the rest

>if you're a """high quality candidate""", you'll surely land that high paying job
It's true though, if you look at Engineering, 2/3rds of the graduates are complete brainlets with 2.5 gpa's.
no one can afford to train them in the very basics

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9421197

>>9420751
>Recent graduates don't know anything because of grade inflation, we need to make courses harder!
>Recent graduates have low GPA's and therefore don't know anything, we're not going to hire them!
So which one is it? Sounds like employers are playing both sides of this game, trying to cram even more of what used to be on the job training into college degrees, while also claiming graduates are underqualified so they can be paid less.

>> No.9421198 [DELETED] 

>>9420734
yes cause he sounds like a nerd

>> No.9422092

>>9420694
what do the various colors designate?

>> No.9422515

>>9420734
>not acing humanities
that's pretty sad desu

>> No.9422516

>>9419958
DELET THIS

>> No.9423928

tfw studied bio
what now

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>>9423928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq3YAOUGV_Q
watch on 2x speed (if you can handle it) and read the comments. takes 12 minutes of your time.

>> No.9423986

>>9417105
that fuckin sucks man wtf. Im going to UCSD too, but I'm not even an engineer, im doing Math-Econ with a minor in accounting. i hope my job prospects are better than yours but somehow I doubt they are. If I can't get a real job I'm just going to join the Air Force

>> No.9423992

>>9423986
Also sidenote, I have always been under the impression that trades, while decent, are mostly a meme, until I was recently informed that my fuckin grandpa, who did not even graduate from the fourth grade and is a plumber, charges 150$/hour

>> No.9424033

>>9423992
They are a meme but as with all meme there's truth and lies in it.

Trades are generally operated nepotistically. You have to know people in order to get in the business and to get ahead unless you can make your employers like you, despite being an outsider. It's not really a meritocracy, but you have to be competent at your job, a hard worker.

It takes about the same amount of time to work through an apprenticeship and trade school as it does to attend a 4 year college---so if you messed up and got a worthless degree, expect to sink more years into your life trying to do something else.

Your grandad is probably a baby boomer; you can;t judge yourself by their standards, as they lived in a completely different world; you're not gonna be seeing $150 an hour anytime in your 20's, nor your 30's. If you expect to be in a trade for the long haul, it'll be worth it. If you're just trying to make money for the time being, then it'd probably be a waste of time.

>> No.9424076

Just recently graduated with a B.S. in biochem and math with a 3.5 gpa. Was thinking about starting in some biomaths grad program in the fall, but now considering looking for a job. Are prospects at all good for me in biotech now? I'm in the Baltimore-Washington area.

>> No.9424098

>>9424076
Define "recently"
Fall 2017?

>> No.9424102 [DELETED] 

hey guys come discuss jobs if you like and stem stuffs

https://discord gg/c37NwyB

>> No.9424324

>>9424098
Yeah.

>> No.9425026

>>9417237
I had a friend who was a heroin addict for seven years and he went to a summer code camp after getting clean and he's got a pretty damn good job at Leidos

>> No.9425053

>>9416058
Oh, I'm sure all of those have inverted in the last 3 years

>> No.9425068

why would you need to find employment in your field?

graduate recruitment schemes take people from almost all disciplines.

>> No.9425082

>Have a friend go back to school because muh engineering meme
>Meet up with old friend from college who was an engineer
>She asks him why he left
>”Engineering was too much work, I can make more money doing real estate”

Kek

>> No.9425106

>>9416046

Who cares, physics is fun

>> No.9425141

>>9416046
goddam this is sad, i was planning to get into physics, but seems like being a engineering homo is the only way to at least live normally.

>> No.9425149

>>9425141
Keep in mind that this applies to the US. If you move out of the country your prospects might be better.

>> No.9425154

>>9425149
i actually live in canada, but im pretty sure canada is probably the same but maybe even worse than US.

>> No.9425164

>>9425154
Yeah, I've heard you all's employment market is screwed.

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>>9416070

>> No.9425449

>>9416046
the best fucking marketers I know are men who studying math and engineering. and they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars each, simply because they basically learned everything a "marketing major" learned in college while they were studying maths and comp sci so they also learned how to code so monkeys like us wanted to buy the shit they were advertising

>> No.9425857

>>9420434
I actually watch his vids on my commute to class. Some of what his says is meme-tier, but a lot of it is common sense in shit I hadn't thought of. That said I'm not convinced my pursuit of STEM is gonna work out too well, the market is fucking inundated with people. I don't have any illusions about being the next Bell or Edison, but that's what all the fucking employers want. Then they just use the lack of applicants to justify offshoring every job possible.

People need to start necking the niggers in HR.

>> No.9425866

>>9419622
>>9419658
Stop using Python and use C or C++

>> No.9425880

>>9425857
>Some of what his says is meme-tier
In my opinion, the only memes are his suggestions of employment: STEM (particularly engineering), trades, and the military. But you have to understand he's been saying these same things for five or six years now, so it's hard to be updated on this stuff when you're not directly involved. Otherwise, he gives sound advice, I think.

>the market is fucking inundated with people
Exactly, and it gets even worse when people start to "wisen up" and realize majoring in anything else is worthless.

>I don't have any illusions about being the next Bell or Edison, but that's what all the fucking employers want. Then they just use the lack of applicants to justify offshoring every job possible.
Yes, you are correct, but if you want to survive and make real money, you have to turn to entrepreneurship just like them.

>People need to start necking the niggers in HR.
You mean bitches.

>> No.9425895

>>9425866
>Stop using Python and use C or C++

Kek. If you morons have the time to implement a C/C++ solution to e.g. SVM classification or a generalised LM, do so.

I'd rather just go "import scipy as sp" (or similar) and be done with it in 5 minutes than having to deal with dependencies and linking.

>> No.9425899

>>9416046
>Jobs are important
If the job market directed how people educated themselves we'd be living in friggin idiocracy, because the most job openings are in menial work meant for slaves.

>> No.9425901

>>9417219
You don't have to stop using a word just because people you don't like use it, /pol/cuck.

>> No.9425909

>>9416046
i'm a cs guy, and I'm a chad of the 21 century. The tables have turned

>> No.9425931

>>9425899
That's because the older people aren't retiring, so the less older people can't move up and free up the good jobs for the younger people. So the younger folk get stuck with crap jobs way below their potential.