/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9352769
yes.

The stereotypes which are associated with race aren't.

Are there people with dark skin and people with light skin? Yes, obviously.

Can you know anything with certainty about people from this? No, you cannot this has been proven many times over in several different ways, but is aggressively denied by retards often for reasons like white supremacy and personal negative experiences with people of other racial groups.

>>9352769
Define "real." Race is a social construct, and social constructs are a real thing, so I guess race is real.

Is money real?

>>9352809
Let's say you ask a bunch of people what race they are. Then you give them all an IQ test. Do you deny that the people who said they were "Black" will score lower on these IQ tests than the people who said they were white?

>>9352809
stereotypes dont just start existence. almost every stereotyp has a kernel of truth. also racism is rooted in our genetics because people looking like you most certainly have the same gen pool. so if these people get children, they spread your dna indirectly. even small todlers share food rather with the same race than with other races.

>>9352816
doesn't sound very objective

>>9352769
Honestly. it seems that this whole race debate is a big misnomer. Of course there exists phenotypical variations amongst groups of humans. Is it that people are saying that Asians/Arabs/Greeks/T*rks/Abos/Caucasians don't exist and that there are no difference between them? Is it that the contention arises if one agrees/disagrees on whether IQ should be included as one of the criteria for racial distinction. And if one disagrees, it does not necessarily follow that they may have thrown out the entire concept of race.

>A: Although studies show that the Dinka people usually tend to have a high average height, we can't saw that that is solely because they are Dinka. Maybe muh environmental factors.
>B: HAHA :^). Get a load of this racial denialist over here.

>>9352890
TLDR: Yes, but it doesn't help to just boil it down to IQ

>>9352769
>So, is race real, /sci/?

yes, race is the precursor to speciation.

also known as a subspecies or breed of a species.

>>9352769
I think people are caring too much about it, in a non-scientific as if it had some sort of metaphysical merit, which it doesn't. A human is a human, the minute you degrade them based upon biological makeup then you threaten the entire concept of humanity. Humans are humans, sure phenotypical differences among populations occur, because local populations breed with one another perpetuating the dominant phenotype. Does it matter more than biologically? Fuck no.

>>9352939
Don't listen to this guy. We don't avoid researching it because we are afraid we might degrade certain populations. The truth is that it is all very well-researched already and found to be biologically arbitrary. It is a social construct, end of story. Doesn't mean it's not "real." It's real to society.

>>9352816
I won't deny it. I'll say it isn't true because there are black people with higher IQ's than whites. Your statement implies all black people have lower IQ's. If you're talking about averages, environmental factors have to be considered alongside the validity of IQ tests themselves. If IQ was proven to be a completely accurate indicator of intelligence and 100% genetic, I would completely agree with you there are intellectual differences between the races, but it wasn't justification for discrimination, however, I've seen staggering proof that both of these claims are grossly wrong and the people who insist they're correct were usually robbed by a black person or want to feel superior to people or something like this. Its always a personal emotional reason like black people are scary to them.

>dont allow negroes in unis for decades
>dont allow negroes in schools for decades
>dont allow nergoes to vote unless they pass your brainfuck tests

Fast forward to present time:
>Yah see, dose goddam niggrs are BORN stupid! Its in they're gene chromosones DNA or something, right, /sci/?

>>9352966
So are you saying there's an epigenetic factor?

>>9352966
This also has to be considered. Would have been better if you hadn't used racial slurs though.

>>9352945
Is your reading comprehension really that dreadful?

>>9352809
>Can you know anything with certainty about people from this?
I wouldn't necessarily say for 'certainty', but are you implying you cannot make accurate judgement about peoples propensity towards, say, health? If there are biological differences between races (there are, obviously) I don't thinking saying there could be an average of behavioral differences is so far fetched.

All humans can interbreed.
By the standard biologists use, there's a "race" and we're all members of it.

>>9352989
Yeah a little bit. Skimmed it too fast. Basically repeated you.

>>9353029
>I don't thinking saying there could be an average of behavioral differences is so far fetched

Oh yeah, sure, I agree with you on this, however those behavioural differences are not genetic, they're environmental and people who don't conform to those behavioural stereotypes shouldn't be rewarded or punished unfairly. There are white people in ghettos who attack people for no reason and black people at top universities who are physics professors. If most black people live in ghettos and most white people have better opportunities to become professors what would happen? The black professor for example shouldn't be subjected to discrimination because many black people are known to be violent.

>>9352769
>>/pol/

>>9353050
The debate itself actually isn't so bad, the problem is that it often degenerates into "All this manipulated data is true because of how much I hate black people/that one time I was robbed by that black guy/that black guy who beat me up at school/because I need to feel superior to large groups of people"

If the debate is had in a fair, rational and logical fashion though, its not that bad.

>>9353043
Yes, yes you did.

>>9352964

they are dumb and lazy. races are not equal.

>>9353082
>They're inferior dammit why won't you listen to me rrreeeeeeeeee

>>9353082
Cultures are not equal*

>>9353098
Culture is a byproduct of collective phenotype of the population that originated it. Everything boils down to genes.

>>9353104
*quantum mechanics

>>9353104
>[CITATION NEEDED]
I'm not saying I don't agree, but that is rather grandiose claim to assert so strongly without evidence.

>>9353045
>Oh yeah, sure, I agree with you on this, however those behavioural differences are not genetic, they're environmental
You seem to have this black and white view of environment vs genetics though. For instance, imagine a child living in a household with an abusive alcoholic father. The father had a certain gene or genes that led to him having a greater propensity towards alcoholism, which in turn led to a negative home-life for the child. Would you blame environment or the genes that made the father more likely to produce a harmful environment?

>There are white people in ghettos who attack people for no reason and black people at top universities who are physics professors.
I don't think anyone is saying there aren't though. Outlieres do not negate general trends

>If most black people live in ghettos and most white people have better opportunities to become professors what would happen?
Yes, but the question is WHY black people on average produce ghettos? Is it genes, or historical reasons? I don't think anyone would deny ghettos have negatives impacts on people.

>The black professor for example shouldn't be subjected to discrimination because many black people are known to be violent.
No certainly not. There is too much variation in population to predict peoples behavior on an individualist basis, however when we're talking about whole population, average should be considered. An 160 IQ black professor shouldn't be used as an excuse to invite a quarter of Nigeria's population into a first world nation, unless your damn sure those immigrants can be brought up to standard.

>>9353104
There has never been a culture change within a society? Wew lad

>>9353112
>discrimination is ok for entire populations
literally hitler

>>9353120
>literally hitler
Won't deny that, but that still doesn't negate what I argued. It's just not practical to make judgments on individuals when talking about MASS groups of people. Even if we could there is no guarantee that the offspring of those outliers would be just as good as there parents. By the way we all discriminate, from height, to attractiveness, to social clique, soooo...... what's your point?

>>9353130
>Even if we could there is no guarantee that the offspring of those outliers would be just as good as there parents.
The fuck? Isn't that your whole argument of genetic determinism? They're successful because of superior genetics.

>>9352964
How about this: if all niggers were gased, would the average IQ of the planet relative to today increase?

>>9353112
>The father had a certain gene or genes that led to him having a greater propensity towards alcoholism
You assume the father had a certain gene which gave him a greater propensity towards alcoholism. Even if this had been the case, had he grown up in an environment/home where intellectualism was heavily favoured and alcoholism looked down upon along with having a decent upbringing, this would have been far less likely to happen.
>Would you blame environment or the genes that made the father more likely to produce a harmful environment?
Environment mostly, there may be some small genetic component. Crack and Heroin is available to people, its far less common to be used as its far less socially acceptable this, I blame environment.
>I don't think anyone is saying there aren't though. Outlieres do not negate general trends
Fine, I never negated this trend either, i said it wasn't genetic.
>Yes, but the question is WHY black people on average produce ghettos? Is it genes, or historical reasons? I don't think anyone would deny ghettos have negatives impacts on people.
Slavery, slaves were denied any form of education, continual discrimination, racism, often the most famous black people are the most stupid thugs you can possibly imagine like NBAYoungBoy and Chief Keef. All this shit builds up and leads to black people seeing becoming thugs as the only practical option.
>An 160 IQ black professor shouldn't be used as an excuse to invite a quarter of Nigeria's population into a first world nation, unless your damn sure those immigrants can be brought up to standard.
This is callous, but also would be valid if your standards for the average white person weren't so high, also this is under the assumption IQ is accurate.

>>9353146
Not that guy but the answer is obviously yes. They have lower IQ at the moment, there's no disputing that. However the Flynn effect shows that anyone can improve and the gap is closing.

>>9353130
My dude, you are entirely correct that everyone discriminates. But what I've been interested in is what actions specifically may be taken, by the wider society, against certain groups with "undesireable traits"(aggressiveness, low IQ).
>SJWs demand lower standards for blacks/low IQ individuals bcuz they are being punished for a trait that they could not choose and wasn't there fault for being.(see #BaketheCake).
>nonwhites shamed for "IQ privilege"
Also, it is possible for low IQ people to be good people and live decent lives(inside certain parameters)
(not him btw)

>>9353151
>Even if this had been the case, had he grown up in an environment/home where intellectualism was heavily favoured and alcoholism looked down upon along with having a decent upbringing, this would have been far less likely to happen.
But again, what would cause the parents to favor intellectualism? I thinks it's too assume more intelligent people would value education more, and I think intelligence is largely hereditary

>Slavery, slaves were denied any form of education, continual discrimination, racism, often the most famous black people are the most stupid thugs you can possibly imagine like NBAYoungBoy and Chief Keef. All this shit builds up and leads to black people seeing becoming thugs as the only practical option
And every race was a slave at one point, but intelligence average are still different. Asians were colonized but managed to retain there high IQ's. Also if I'm not mistaken there were slaves in ancient rome who were tutors to the children of their masters.

>This is callous, but also would be valid if your standards for the average white person weren't so high, also this is under the assumption IQ is accurate.
I wouldn't call them high, I just no what kind of societies whites produce. There are other reason than IQ to be opposed to non-white immigration. Whites are more favorable to free speech for instance here in the US. And IQ is extremely predictive of things like criminality and unintended pregnancies.

>>9353159
>My dude, you are entirely correct that everyone discriminates. But what I've been interested in is what actions specifically may be taken, by the wider society, against certain groups with "undesireable traits"(aggressiveness, low IQ).
Acknowledge that diverse societies are harmful to social capital and allow people to live with their own. Remember these open border enthusiast are the aggressors, not I. They're pushing for radical and fundamental changes of white nations.

>Also, it is possible for low IQ people to be good people and live decent lives(inside certain parameters)
Sure, but practice what you preach. Are you prepared to live in a society where the averge IQ is 70?

>>9353193
>Genetics are tied to wanting free speech
Yo...

>>9353208
complete and utter strawman of what I was saying, but yes there are some political view that have a ~60% heritability, concluded by some twin studies.

Nobody except white people deny that

>>9353052
Didn't read your post

>>>/pol/

>>9353229
t. brainlet

>>9353193
>But again, what would cause the parents to favor intellectualism?
Going to good schools, having a good family before this, having friends who value it. All these things are major contributors and this is pretty straight forward.

>And every race was a slave at one point, but intelligence average are still different.
You're assuming the IQ's of all races have been the same throughout the history of mankind, this is completely ridiculous and unfounded. There are records of people saying Asians were dumb and lazy over 100 years ago. Also black people CURRENTLY have very poor education at schools where teachers do nothing have they have to worry about being shot by thugs and alongside possibly having serious issues at home.

>I wouldn't call them high, I just no what kind of societies whites produce.
Based on cultural expectations, opportunities, etc. If you're black, everyone tells you you're a dumb thug and you cannot get a job or a place at some education centre even at the education centre you may not be taken seriously because you're black and for these reason you're more likely to rob people if you cannot provide for your family any other way.

Also, I've been refuting your points, you seem to have a bias and inclination towards genetics. I'm not saying its impossible for there to be any genetic factor, I'm saying becoming a physicist in one of the safest areas of settle and going to a good school with a good family is far easier than becoming one in compton with an abusive family in a ghetto where you can be shot for looking at someone the wrong way and going to a school where teachers teach nothing. On top of the fact that if the guy from the ghetto maybe tries to go for science programs in better neighbourhoods its not unlikely they'll be discriminated against based on race and throughout their entire academic career if they keep going That's why its so fucking rare.

Its possible to be

>>9353193
>But again, what would cause the parents to favor intellectualism?
Going to good schools, having a good family before this, having friends who value it. All these things are major contributors and this is pretty straight forward.

>And every race was a slave at one point, but intelligence average are still different.
You're assuming the IQ's of all races have been the same throughout the history of mankind, this is completely ridiculous and unfounded. There are records of people saying Asians were dumb and lazy over 100 years ago. Also black people CURRENTLY have very poor education at schools where teachers do nothing have they have to worry about being shot by thugs and alongside possibly having serious issues at home.

>I wouldn't call them high, I just no what kind of societies whites produce.
Based on cultural expectations, opportunities, etc. If you're black, everyone tells you you're a dumb thug and you cannot get a job or a place at some education centre even at the education centre you may not be taken seriously because you're black and for these reason you're more likely to rob people if you cannot provide for your family any other way.

Also, I've been refuting your points, you seem to have a bias and inclination towards genetics. I'm not saying its impossible for there to be any genetic factor, I'm saying becoming a physicist in one of the safest areas of settle and going to a good school with a good family is far easier than becoming one in compton with an abusive family in a ghetto where you can be shot for looking at someone the wrong way and going to a school where teachers teach nothing. On top of the fact that if the guy from the ghetto maybe tries to go for science programs in better neighbourhoods its not unlikely they'll be discriminated against based on race and throughout their entire academic career if they keep going That's why its so fucking rare.

>>9353193
> Asians were colonized but managed to retain there high IQ's. Also if I'm not mistaken there were slaves in ancient rome who were tutors to the children of their masters.
Colonization=/=indentured servitude=/= chattel slavery
But yeah, we can't blame everything one slavery though.

>I wouldn't call them high, I just no what kind of societies whites produce. There are other reason than IQ to be opposed to non-white immigration. Whites are more favorable to free speech for instance here in the US. And IQ is extremely predictive of things like criminality and unintended pregnancies.
Conceding all this to be correct, would an IQ barrier be just, if not more effective?
>receive the cream of the crop of the 3rd world.
>IQ test is best predictive system, so we can have a high certainty that they will be model citizens and suitable for integration.

>Acknowledge that diverse societies are harmful to social capital and allow people to live with their own. Remember these open border enthusiast are the aggressors, not I. They're pushing for radical and fundamental changes of white nations.
I can agree with you on the principle of right to association. So was the whole IQ debate started to defend this principle? I mean if you don't want anyone stepping on your snake, and want to be with people like yourself to achieve this, I wouldn't fault you tbhfampai (given the racial environment in the West atm).

>Sure, but practice what you preach. Are you prepared to live in a society where the averge IQ is 70?
>implying I haven't for my entire life

Short answer: No, race does not exist as a biological concept.

Long answer: This is due to how we might classify race in a non-arbitrary way by phenotypic/genotypic change. Studies have shown multiple times that the genetic variation within a population either outweighs or is statistically insignificantly no different from genetic variation between human populations.

This is to say, if you were to design any algorithm that separated people based on their genetic differences, and grouped them based on whole genome assays, it would create no coherent grouping- nothing that looks any bit similar to how we define race as it is. The place where race realists and the people who debunk it find exception is talking about cherrypicking alleles and then claiming that race exists among those groupings, like taking genes that control for skin color/macroscopic change, and then using just the variation among those genes to define race. But at that point, it's arbitrated to a point where the only reason genes are cherrypicked is because they fit some societal qualification for being considered important. Ergo, race is, when you boil it down, a goddamn social construct- it's not an objective biological quantifier, and can only be used as one if there's heavy arbitration, which makes it defacto socially constructed.

>>9353233
>Going to good schools, having a good family before this, having friends who value it. All these things are major contributors and this is pretty straight forward.
And your family shares a large part of your DNA, lol. Also peoples friends tend to be of the same race as them, which may not be as close as family, but are still apart of the same 'tribe'. You keep trying this radical separation of genetics from environments bro, every cell in your body is dictated by DNA.

>You're assuming the IQ's of all races have been the same throughout the history of mankind, this is completely ridiculous and unfounded.
Nope, but colonization of africa and asia by Europenas happened relatively close in human history.

>There are records of people saying Asians were dumb and lazy over 100 years ago
What people say is biased, you have to look at cultural/scientific/ literary/ artistic advancements of said civilizations.

>Also black people CURRENTLY have very poor education at schools where teachers do nothing have they have to worry about being shot by thugs and alongside possibly having serious issues at home.
Again, what causes these poor schools? We've tried throwing money at them it hasn't worked. Genes influence the environment people produce.

>>9353245
>I can agree with you on the principle of right to association. So was the whole IQ debate started to defend this principle? I mean if you don't want anyone stepping on your snake, and want to be with people like yourself to achieve this, I wouldn't fault you tbhfampai (given the racial environment in the West atm).
Yeah just lefties and internationals who want cheap labor wont' let me.

>Sure, but practice what you preach. Are you prepared to live in a society where the averge IQ is 70?
>implying I haven't for my entire life
my mistake, its just most people advocating for mulitracialism almost always live in monoracial neighborhoods.

this:>>9353261 was meant for u:>>9353237

>>9353036
are you retarded? its a species. SPECIES
fuck off to reddit

>>9353261
>We've tried throwing money at them it hasn't worked.
That sounds pretty half-assed. You need a multi-faceted approach to address many simultaneous needs.

>>9352769
honestly, it should be.
I'd like to breed specimens in order to create several different humanoid races by selecting and encouraging certain behaviours or particular mutations.
Ethics can suck my dick, it would be fucking interesting.

>>9353261
And now I remember why I stopped doing race thread debates.

I've refuted all of your arguments, Your counter argument to every refutation has been, "Its genetics"

This the never ending story of the race intelligence debate.

>What people say is biased
Fucking clearly, you're proving this now.

Everything has to be looked at collectively, all facets, I've gone over the many facets which contribute to the differences you've mentioned. Every single reply has been "Well what causes that? (Insert whatever bullshit you like here in this case genetics) " I fucking said, a large amount of environmental factors. You can use this same logic to make any arbitrary and unfounded claim.

This will be my last reply, you're clearly biased like most racialists and this debate will go nowhere.

If this was a troll you wasted a good amount of my time, but sadly it probably wasn't, you're probably just another biased racialist.

>>9353311
The reason for the "its genetics" is that has more influence than environmental factors.

A goldfish can not get a better memory than a human no matter what it does.

>>9353311
LOL, you haven't refuted anything. You just keep saying it's environment! it's environment! I made the claim that your peers most often share a large part of your genes. Are you trying to say that your genetics do not influence behavior? IQ gaps still persist even when controlling for a multitude of factors. It's not a troll by the way, and I have no idea how you're concluding I'm the bias one when and if I spoke out about my belief I would be fired and ruin relationships. YOU are on society side promoting egalitarianism, and it's YOU who is the biased one. Your trying to make the argument that despite various population of humans evolving in radically different environments for THOUSANDS of years that they some how managed to come out exactly the same except for skin color. Evolution does not produce equality bud, sorry I know it's a hard pill to swallow.

>>9353267
>Yeah just lefties and internationals who want cheap labor wont' let me.
So would you prefer for soft self--segregation without the burden of being demonized by the public or go full ethnostate. I only ask because the latter seems like it would be a logistical nightmare to start.
>my mistake, its just most people advocating for mulitracialism almost always live in monoracial neighborhoods.
Understandable, I guess. (Wander if there's a racial component to us producing the best sprinters :^) ) But on the previous point, wouldn't having IQ barriers on immigration solve that problem?

Also what's to be done with low IQ persons (in general, of all races)? I mean, if IQ is based on genetics and little can be done to change it, what, if anything do can be done to ameliorate the social ills of certain multiracial countries.

>>9353365
>So would you prefer for soft self--segregation without the burden of being demonized by the public or go full ethnostate. I only ask because the latter seems like it would be a logistical nightmare to start.
Well I would like to for a peaceful self-segregation but considering migrants would probably rather live in a 1st world than 3rd it might be difficult to separate. When in history has population replacement ever ended peacefully?

>Wander if there's a racial component to us producing the best sprinters
I would say most likely, people of west african decent usually have more fast twitch muscle fibers I think

>wouldn't having IQ barriers on immigration solve that problem
Not really, Asians still balkinize into separate neighborhoods just like lower IQ immigrants, and are still more opposed to absolutest free speech, whereas whites in the US are not. I don't want to be replaced by a foreign people whatever their IQ.

>Also what's to be done with low IQ persons (in general, of all races)? I mean, if IQ is based on genetics and little can be done to change it
Well I think there's little to do to change it in the individual, but over generation it can be changed, that's evolution, humans were not always this intelligent. You could employ humane eugenic(yes I know that word scares people) policies to try and improve the stock of your nation.

>what, if anything do can be done to ameliorate the social ills of certain multiracial countries.
either mix together where genetic differences are eliminated(may or may not be desirable depending on the person), or genetically engineer people to NOT behave tribal. I think humans to a large degree evolved to behave tribal so to to change that, you're probably going to have to alter the genome.

>>9353401
The Flynn Effect is not evolution in action. It's improvement of the institutions. You have to put the proper feedback loops in place to help a culture improve itself.

>>9353135
One off cases will generally return to the norm after a generation or two.

>>9352769
No, if phenotype variations exist, it's very stupid to think that genotype variations exist between races also :^)

Honestly, the videos he made were impressive and thorough. Truly beautiful.

One thing fascinating about race though is how much agreement there is among people when judging the race of different people. A powerful illusion.

It's almost a shame some science is counter-intuitive. More people would believe the facts if it weren't.

>>9353768
Genotypes don't determine phenotypes though. Exact same genotype in different species can easily result in completely different phenotypes.

>>9352809
Proven by who? Liberal social scientists? I should believe in that?

>>9353905
Do you believe molecular biologists?

>>9352964
How do you explain twin studies then?

>>9353892
Did you look at even one response?

>>9353937
Why do you ask?

>>9353933
They're not aging well.

>>9353933
Pre-natal and early childhood shared environment.

>>9352769
The best part about his videos is all the salt in the comments section. Who would have thought that all these calm and rational Internet warriors would get so emotional over someone deconstructing and rejecting their entire worldview? I specifically remember being told only SJW's and leftists get emotional over their precious little ideas.

Hmm...

>>9353964
It's quick to forget there's an infinite variety of stupid out there, and you should expect to see it everywhere. In fact, forgetting this is a symptom of your own stupidity.

Don't ever underestimate stupid.

>muh IQ only derives from environment
I'd really like to see what kind of environment people with over 150 IQ are living in. They must be doing something right!

>>9353913
Are you saying that racial stereotypes are disproven by the work of molecular biologists? Where you dropped on your head as a child?

>MUH EVIRNOMENT
>MUH NURTURE > NATURE
Why were black countries absolutely garbage for the entirety of human history excluding the time since they've been uplifted by whites?

Africans were living in mud huts while whites where building monasteries and chinks where building whatever the fuck it is that they build. Meanwhile, in Australia the abbos hadn't even invented the wheel. You're trying to tell me you can't make predictions about the traits of these clearly divergent peoples?

>>9354011
>>muh IQ only derives from environment
Literally no one argues that you fucking brainlet.

>>9354130
>I haven't done any research so clearly the answer is because black people are inferior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

>>9354130
Idk, why did it take whites so long to actually start building civilization? They were wandering around Europe doing jack shit and fucking neanderthals. Meanwhile the Amerindians found their land of choice and instantly prospered.

>>9354136
You mean until they were absolutely btfo by whites and resigned to reservations until we felt bad for them?

Yes, the debate should be about if it's relevant

>>9354134

>The book attempts to explain why Eurasian and North African civilizations have survived and conquered others, while arguing against the idea that Eurasian hegemony is due to any form of Eurasian intellectual, moral, or inherent genetic superiority. Diamond argues that the gaps in power and technology between human societies originate primarily in environmental differences, which are amplified by various positive feedback loops. When cultural or genetic differences have favored Eurasians (for example, written language or the development among Eurasians of resistance to endemic diseases), he asserts that these advantages occurred because of the influence of geography on societies and cultures (for example, by facilitating commerce and trade between different cultures) and were not inherent in the Eurasian genomes.
>When cultural or genetic differences have favored Eurasians (for example, written language or the development among Eurasians of resistance to endemic diseases), he asserts that these advantages occurred because of the influence of geography on societies and cultures (for example, by facilitating commerce and trade between different cultures) and were not inherent in the Eurasian genomes.
>When genetic difference have favored Eurasians
>He asserts that these were not inherent in the Eurasian genomes.

Wow, really made me think.

>>9354138
Yeah because they started tens of thousands of years later. It takes a long ass time to fucking walk to the Americas. But when they got there, they were very quickly a mere centuries behind. The timing of the Eurangutans was extremely lucky. They had invested ships and guns JUST in time to stop the Amerindians before their clear dominance. At the rate they were going they'd be colonizing the solar system by now.

>>9354145
>Idk, why did it take whites so long to actually start building civilization? They were wandering around Europe doing jack shit and fucking neanderthals. Meanwhile the Amerindians found their land of choice and instantly prospered.
>Yeah because they started tens of thousands of years later.

Why are there so many brainlets in sci these days?

>>9354144
He's referencing genetic resistance to disease developing as a byproduct of their circumstantial context, you stupid fucking brainlet. He's denying anything that was "inherent" to the European. You have the reading comprehension skills of a 14 year old.

>>9354150
Because reddit

>>9354151
There is no inherent anything in genetics you fucking glorified ape. Everything you are was built upon by your ancestors and so on. Of course Europeans where never INHERENTLY superior. They became superior, intellectually and genetically because of their conditions. This brainlet you cited is arguing over the course by which Europeans became dominant and pretending that means we're equal now. Perhaps it's by no fault of their own, and rather due to circumstances, that blacks are intellectually inferior and overly aggressive, but that doesn't change the fact that they are those things.

In conclusion, your citation has no relevance to the discussion.

>>9354150
They walked over multiple continents. The Europeans sat there doing nothing.

Look /sci/ I don't want you to say black people are dumber and white people are smarter.
However, will you admit two populations of the same species in completely different environments such as the savanna and northern Europe over thousands of years of divergent evolution are astronomically unlikely to have exactly all of the same genes for mental development expressed in the same frequency?
You could argue that black people are smarter because they lived in a harsher environment it doesn't bother me, but just at least admit its unreasonable to assume that these two populations will have zero differences in brain development.

>>9354166
It's literally basic genetics. I can't fathom anyone with a functioning brain stating otherwise to be honest.

>>9354166
>>9354172
Nobody has outright denied this. However, we can test genomes, and humans have been found to be incredibly similar, more than things like dog breeds. And the differences we do find do not break down into race as we know it. That's really all there is to it.

>>9354176
>no one
Wasn't there a scientist who got doxxed to hell because he said something along the lines of, "there's no reason to believe seperate groups of people evolved to have the same genetic disposition for intelligence.

I'm pretty sure most Libtards will outright deny it.

>>9354176
Pretty sure you'll be hounded out of academia for stating that racial differences in intelligence exist.

I agree with you that humans are similar, more so than domesticated animals that underwent artificial selection. It may not take too many genes to go from an IQ of 85 and 100. However those 15 points of IQ matter immensely in terms of creating and sustaining a civilization.

>>9354178
Scientists are retarded in talking to the public. If he simply said the differences are miniscule (which is true), nobody would really care. Saying there is clear inferiority advocates for forced eugenics.

I don't condone doxxing no matter what though. I also am not going to let the way people react to things sway my thoughts.

>>9354184
>scientists are retarded in talking to the public
No the public is retarded in understanding science.
Science does not cater to your feelings. You shouldn't need to dance around a subject using subjective terms like minuscule to pacify the rabid dogs of anti-intellectualism. He stated something that was objectively true and for such an outrageous thing, he was ostracized.

No.

inb4 "all the scientists are lying and its a massive jewish coverup!"

>>9354181
>However those 15 points of IQ matter immensely in terms of creating and sustaining a civilization.
You're only able to say that because the only permanent civilizations (an extremely new concept) have come largely from Europe and Asia so far.

Even Rome didn't sustain a civilization. Are you going to make excuses for them?

There were plenty of African empires comparable to pre-Rome Europe ones that had plenty of success. They all fall for whatever reason. Again, a civilization NOT falling is a completely new concept.

>>9354194
I never mentioned any races or that a species with an IQ of 85 can't create a civilization, I just implied it would be reasonable to assume a population of a species that has a higher IQ than another population would likely have a better civilization.

You jumping to conclusions and automatically assuming that I said black people are intellectually inferior says more about you than me.

>>9354204
It's what the thread turned into. I was just going with the flow of the conversation. I can't tell which posts are yours if any.

>>9352769
no its not going to be a relative win.

>>9354166
I don't think anyone denies that but that doesn't imply that race exists or that some are smarter than others. There's literally no way of scientifically testing for race with any sufficient degree of accuracy so it's stupid to link race to anything as important as intelligence. Secondly, regardless of the fact that you are probably right, there's very little evidence that IQ is mainly determined by your genetics outside of your immediate hereditary draw. There's tons of evidence that it is determined by socioeconomic factors and environment. Ergo, it is incorrect to claim one race is genetically intellectually superior to another.

>>9353357
This makes sense, the problem with it is that a fish is a completely different species, the differences between races are literally hair, face shape, and skin colour.

A human brain cannot fit inside a fish. If there were no black mathematicians or physicists in existence and there were non-biased, non-retarded reasons to believe it was impossible, I would be more open to this. The average white person is also extremely stupid.

Overall, the theory just doesn't make much sense and often boils down to bias. We know that its possible for black people (even dark skinned) to be geniuses (for example james gates) we also know black people are very rarely given opportunities to become physicists, etc.

>>9352809
Spoken like a tru cuck

>>9353360
I just read your whole conversation. Here is why you're retarded. He has been giving the environmental factors which would directly cause psychological inclinations towards lower intelligence and violence. You've been insisting genetics contributes towards everything completely baselessly. He has specified the environmental factors in detail which would lead to these things.
>IQ gaps still persist even when controlling for a multitude of factors.
This is the only new thing you've brought to the table with no source and no evidence its another unfounded claim and studies have shown the exact opposite to be true.

You don't like black people or you aren't comfortable around black people or you need to feel superior or something.

I stopped arguing in race intelligence threads for this same reason. There is no fucking point. Its like arguing with a brick wall.

>>9352815
Is life and death real? They are only social constructs

modern humans have only been around for the past 10 000 years, hardly enough time to diverge evolutionarily

>>9354369
They've also been degenerate and interbred throughout that time.

>>9352769
Kraut has not once denied the existence of race iirc.

He demanded to see genes so that one can talk about heritability, so I doubt his opinion is really a good indicator for anything...

>>9352809
You don't really understand what kraut is arguing against.
Of course a judgment about an individual is impossible without looking at that individual, but that doesn't mean that certain trends and averages aren't real and caused by genetics.

>>9354369
>hardly enough time to diverge evolutionarily
I know, right?
It is actually insane to think about how much humans could have diverged if we had been around for longer.

It is just pure speculation, but maybe our skin could have a different color depending on the area where our ancestors live, due to differences in sun exposure?
Just a crazy thought I had, but we all know that evolution didn't have enough time to do such a crazy thing.

>>9354192
>inb4 "all the scientists are lying and its a massive jewish coverup!"
You realize that most people who argue for the existence of race argue that their position is NOT fringe and in fact widely accepted?

>>9354423
Anatomically modern humans have been around longer, but behaviorially modern humans have only been around for 10 000 years
Also white people can tan

>>9354430
That literally means nothing.

>>9354420
Who's Kraut and what are you referring to?

>>9352966
Then why do African blacks score even lower on iq tests? Telepathic slavery I suppose.

Perhaps the reason that no one has any evidence either way is because no one wants to touch this topic with a light year long pole because if they do they know they'll be doxxed and have their career ruined by people who are apparently scared of what the results might show.

What does real even mean? Do you mean does race exist? The yes, race is real insofar as it exists as a rough symbol for physiological variability in human phylogenies.
Do you mean is it an actual thing that exists independent of human understanding? No, the objects race symbolizes are much more complex and interrelated. The concept of race, much like the concept of species barely scratches the surface. If you don't understand this you are not very smart.
JANITORS DELETE THE FUCKING THREAD

>>9354176
this is literally false though... dog has mean fst value of 0.013 and humans have mean fst value of 0.12. fst = total genetic heterozygosity in a population.
dog breeds fst value from here
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/1828051X.2017.1317221

>>9354423
>The amount of melanin in one's skin is a complex as the intelligence of a person.

FUN FACT: cow breeds has fst value of .068. humpback whales with 3 subspecies and .12 fst value.

>whales
>http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/281/1786/20133222
>humans
>http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0049837
>cows
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1439-0388.2003.00384.x/abstract

the articles that you see proclaiming that humans doesn't have race uses an arbitrary benchmark of fst =.25 as benchmark, despite of it not being the standard in taxonomy.

>>9354583
>Do you mean is it an actual thing that exists independent of human understanding?
Nothing exists independent of an awareness of it because for something to "exist" it has to be relative to something else, or relative to the lack of an existence. :^)

>>9352769
Yes it is Kraut just really hates the alt-right, I noticed it on his server that I joint just for trolling, he send everyone with the alt-right to the gulag which is essentially a ban and sends people that "disrupt the debate" to the gulag which means just questioning his views in that field.

>>9354423
Cognition is highly conserved in humans, we all more or less think the same and develop in the same way. As far as human cognition goes "culture" and "language" have a much greater effect on the evolutionary development of a POPULATION, than does phylogenies. The expression of ecophysiological traits such as skin appendages and skin color have much more room to produce novel variations.

>>9352769
>muh race is only skin deep
>muh not all therefore you can't make global observations or distribution of results
>muh continuum , also there is no difference between languages, same as there is no difference between rocks and planets because there are no clear limits between them
>muh brain doesn't evolve, jellyfish would be as smart as us if we integrated them in our society
>muh every scientist agrees, my social science teacher mr Goldberg told me so at the Eussr lgbtqa++ conference.

Yeah these are strawmen, i don't care.

>>9354862
The only thing we know about "race" is that Amerindians had a higher development rate compared to europeans. In other words they have more civilization potential. In conclusion, Amerindians are superior to europeans. How is this hard to get?

>>9354874
Your bait is low energy.

>>9354888
>history is bait
Subhumans can't deal with reality.

Amerindians are superior to europeans. Get over it.

>>9354584
>>9354588
it's interesting how race denialists always just disappear when real evidence is presented rather than the ones from /pol/tards.

>>9354928
So you agree with Amerindian superiority?

>>9354965
dunno and don't care. i only care about the fact that there are clear clusters of genetic divergences in human populations.

>>9354967
Well, I just made an observation how Amerindians had a higher developmwnt rate compared to europeans. Which race would be the Amerindian ethnic groups?
Asiatic? "Yellow" men? Neo-neanderthal men? Red men?

>>9352769
>>9352795
No.

Genetic differences exist, but race isn't based on genetics. Race is a superficial and arbitrary assessment based on lay people trying to support cognitive biases.

If you are talking about race, you are necessarily no longer discussing genetics and are now discussing psychology.

>>9354975
What's your point Amerindian dude? I don't know much about them, so I'm not gonna comment on this.

>>9354979
Wrong. This is an actual material that you'd get as a population geneticist.

http://bio.classes.ucsc.edu/bio107/Class%20pdfs/W05_lecture10.pdf

>>9354986
I asked you about what race do Amerindians belong to. The Amerindian higher development rate compared to europeans, is an observation I made before on history and archeological facts.
Can you answer the question? :3

>>9354996
I would group them as their own race, but Asians are their closest relative.

>>9355008
>would group
Do you have research ro back it up?

>>9355018
No because like I said, I don't know much about them. This is just from a glance of the haplogroup data.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Geoff_Chambers/publication/320180906_Philosophy_of_Race_versus_Population_Genetics_Round_3_An_online_discussion_paper/links/59d312624585150177f70d03/Philosophy-of-Race-versus-Population-Genetics-Round-3-An-online-discussion-paper.pdf

This is an ACTUAL population geneticist paper published 31 days ago.

>Here I argue that new genetic data adequately demonstrate that statistically significantly
differentiated human subgroups (aka biological races) do exist. Further, that the analytical
methods used to reconstruct the history of these human clusters are themselves, in part, social
constructs. Therefore, these two contrasting philosophical viewpoints may be seen as capable
of working together. Indeed, they are a sub-element of a larger metaphysical debate regarding
the reality or otherwise of race, social or biological. I conclude by stressing the importance of
racial definitions as regards the collection of reliable census information, the formation of
equitable social policies and better informed medical decisions, particularly those involving
the prescription of pharmaceuticals.

>>9355025
>haplogroup
But they are too inaccurate.
North canadians and alaskan Amerindians have siberian influence. Eastern and central N.American have central asian influences. And Several western South-Americans have Polynesian influences.

>>9355044
You know more than I do. Tell me.

>>9355057
Look up migrations to America. Also I wonder why Amerindians have more neanderthal admixture compared to th other ethnic groups.

The first thinker to classify the peoples of the world as White, Black, Yellow, and Red was Carl Linnaeus himself. Make of that what you will.

>>9355044
It appears that Neanderthals lived in Sibera area. It is plausible that ancestral Siberian with high Neanderthal admixture population migrated to Americas and the Bering sea is a decent genetic bottleneck. Do you know the inbredness of Amerindians?

I stress that I don't know much about this and my analysis is superficial at best.

>>9354995
That's not race though.

>>9352816
so? iq tests are still a horrible way of measuring intelligence

>>9355215
It is a lecture explaining different methods of measuring genetic distances between subpopulation within a population with human race numbers as an example. You can see here for a population geneticist's interpretation of race here.
>>9355042

>>9355073
red? where the fuck did red come from

Depends on how you define it.

>>9355337
Okay, but it does correlate with higher wages and negatively correlate with violent crime.

>>9352809
Sadly there's a very large amount of incest and lead poisoning in some parts of the world.

Not sure what IQ differences there should be after that because most such research are either by die-hard liberals or by die-hard racists. But there probably should be a small amount.

>>9355343
There are a number of different genetic markers with different distances between them, they don't correspond singularly to race. They cluster around different groups. People who genetically cluster around one attribute don't necessarily genetically cluster around another. You'd have to arbitrarily pick a specific trait like finger length to be the singular dimension you classify race as.

And again, race isn't genetic. The hispanic "race" relates a group of people with ancestry from Europe, the Americas, and Africa. Two people in the same race could have no common ancestry going back thousands of years.

People can be entirely genetically different and be a part of the same race and entirely genetically similar and be a part of different races. Race is a superficial categorization that has nothing to do with science or genetics.

>>9355347
European, African, Asian, Amerind

>>9352966
This argument "blacks are dumb because of segregation and slavery" is bullshit. Thomas Sowell's book "Black Education: Myths and Tragedies" destroy all this nonsense. It shows that that dumbing down of blacks really began in the 60's.

>>9355475
>What is k-means?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-means_clustering

>stereotypes about manlets spread
>people start calling each-other manlets
>people identify music, food and other goods popular with manlets and call them "manlet food" and "manlet music" etc.
>height isn't real, just a social construct
what now lanklets?

>>9355515
>I don't understand the contention being brought, but here's an article on k-means.

Again, race has nothing to do with genetics. People can have highly dissimilar genes and be the same race like Hispanics, and people can have highly similar genes and be different races like Jewish and Middle Eastern. It's purely superficial and subjective.

>>9355580
People not being good at classifying races by sight or due to having religious biases does not mean races do not exist. It means people can't do DNA tests using their eyes.

>>9355580
Wrong.
"Hispanics" (I assume you mean Latin Americans) can be anywhere between Spanish and Native American, though most are a mix of the two, however the exact percentages vary, which is why some Hispanic may look white (because they are since they most likely mainly descend from Spaniards), mestizo, or Native American.

Also, Jews have significant European admixture. They're originally ME, sure, and around half to slightly more than half of their ancestry still comes from there, but the fact remains that they have significant European admixture, which is why they quite different from most MEs.

>>9355642
Meant *European Jews, not Jews as a whole. Mizrahi Jews for instance have little to no European admixture, according to my knowledge.

>>9352966

>>9355714
Russia is a shithole though.

>>9355347
Does it not refer to the Native Americans?

Like the Washington Redskins?

>>9355642
I knew Jews came from Maine, thanks anon

>black people baad
>white people goood

>>9355631
>People not being good at classifying races by sight or due to having religious biases does not mean races do not exist. It means people can't do DNA tests using their eyes.

They don't care about the DNA. They don't care about genetics. It's not that they aren't good at classifying race by sight, it's that they ARE good at it. Race is simply "well, I feel you look like this, so that's what you are."
>>9355642
Hispanics also may or may not have African descent. That's the point. You could be of entirely American descent and be Hispanic, entirely European descent and be Hispanic, entirely African descent and be Hispanic, or some combination of the three. Your genes don't correspond to your racial classification.
>Also, Jews have significant European admixture.
Europeans who converted to Judaism and thus are culturally Jewish, yes, but The Jews of Israel are genetically identical to the people around them, and yet are a different race for cultural reasons, again showing that race and genes don't correspond.

>>9355810
Hello anon. According to my readings I have detected a fallacious argument in your post. The particular category of fallacy in this case appears to be a "strawman". This is a relatively common, and often benign, mistake to make, but I hope that if you recognize this mistake we can achieve a higher level of discussion. Maybe even over 9000!!!! Haha. Anyways, take care, and good luck in your further posting, my fellow Channer.
-- a fellow Anonymous

>>9354357
>He has been giving the environmental factors which would directly cause psychological inclinations towards lower intelligence and violence.
I know nitwit, that's why I explicitly pointed how you cannot completely separate genes from environment, because it's fucking retarded. All organisms are is genes that are expressed in an environment. He's trying to push this radical black and white separation of the two when it's impossible.

>You've been insisting genetics contributes towards everything completely baselessly.
t. brainlet. Please convince me how your genes do not influence every aspect of your life. Please point to a single cell, any cell, inside your body who's function has not been influenced by DNA. The brain, eyes, and muscles you're using to type this absolutely idiotic post; ALL of it; can be traced back to information stored in DNA. Trying to act as if our environment is untouched by DNA is the true baseless claim.

>This is the only new thing you've brought to the table with no source and no evidence its another unfounded claim and studies have shown the exact opposite to be true.
>Attacks me for not posting studies, while simultaneously not posting any either to support your claim.
The studies are out there, I didn't post any because it's pain to have to dig up the information every time you people disagree with me(which is a lot). I'm not going to spoon feed you they're out there, here's a start:
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/why-ses-does-not-explain.pdf
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
Also try reading the bell curve.

>You don't like black people or you aren't comfortable around black people or you need to feel superior or something.
Piss poor argument, dude; assuming just because I have controversial opinions they must be out of spite. I guess when James Watson suggested the same thing as I, it was because he was an "ebil wacist" that hate black people.

>>9355825
>Cite the bell curve
>never heard of gene penetrance
> Falacious appeal to authority
It is quite clear There is no changing your mind, so go ahead believe in your master race man.
Can we have science based discussion on this board instead of retarded race supreamcist

>>9355846
>completely ignores the other studies I listed.
>Asserting that James Watson is knowledgeable on genetics is an appeal to authority.
Pointing to a well distinguished man in the field is not an appeal to authority, but if you feel so strongly he is then fill free to show me how an anonymous 4chan poster is so much more brilliant.

>It is quite clear There is no changing your mind, so go ahead believe in your master race man.
>Can we have science based discussion on this board instead of retarded race supreamcist
>implying human divergent evolution is not science.
I'm all for changing my mind, but the only counters I get are, "YOU'RE WACIST!" "WHITE SUPREMACISTTT"
I've heard all before it doesn't change anything.

>>9355814
There's a demarcation between social and biological race. Just because they don't always correspond to each others don't mean that race doesn't exist. Biological race does exist quite clearly according to genetic studies. Our social understanding of race should reflect that, but it doesn't and it definitely don't mean that we just pretend that race doesn't exist at all.. That's just ridiculous.

Again, you actually should read the k-means clustering wiki article instead of repeating same idiotic argument.

Israeli Jews are not genetically identical. That's just idiotic. I'll give you a benefit of doubt that you meant that they have their own cluster apart from European Jews. Which is not true because Israeli Jews came from... Europe. Although, I will grant you that it's probably diverting slightly by now.

>>9352769
If race doesnt exist, evolution doesn't apply to humans.

>>9354300
>There's very little evidence that IQ is mainly determined by your genetics outside of your immediate hereditary draw. There's tons of evidence that it is determined by socioeconomic factors and environment.
I cannot fathom your ignorance of this topic.
No matter how many money you're parents have. the quality of your upbringing or nutritional intake, you're still not going to become an incredibly gifted genius like Stephen Hawking.
IQ is heavily influenced by hereditary genetics, this isn't even controversial science its accepted by most in the field. Racial genetics, on the other hand, is a different issue.

>>9354300
>There's very little evidence that IQ is mainly determined by your genetics outside of your immediate hereditary draw. There's tons of evidence that it is determined by socioeconomic factors and environment.
I cannot fathom your ignorance of this topic.
No matter how many money your parents have. the quality of your upbringing or nutritional intake, you're still not going to become an incredibly gifted genius like Stephen Hawking.
IQ is heavily influenced by hereditary genetics, this isn't even controversial science it's accepted by most in the field. Racial genetics, on the other hand, is a different issue.

>>9355954
Why does the mere belief that IQ isn't fixed enough to raise it one standard deviation compared to those who believe it to be fixed?

>>9355914
This is legitimately what a lot of libtards seem to think.
>OH BOY I'M JUST SO ABOVE IT ALL, FUCKING TRANSCENDED ABOVE ALL OTHER ANIMALS.

>>9355963
are you going to complete that sentence

Here's/pol/'s lord and savior playing 4-D chess, dancing around how race is only technically a social construct but totally legit, I swear.

>>9356024
If people tacked on a bunch of social observations to body weight would obesity be a social construct?
If it were, would that mean people aren't "scientifically" fat?

>>9354471
> Why do Africans score low on IQ tests
Motivation mostly. An African with a 170 IQ score is just as poor as an African scoring 95.

In contrast, Asians (notably Chinese) scoring higher on standardized tests have a greater chance of being chosen by the state to go to higher education, and landing high paying jobs.

Unstable politics do not favor traditional education.

>>9356084
>An African with a 170 IQ score is just as poor as an African scoring 95.
[citation needed]

>>9356036
Everything is a social construct because it exists only in language. That doesn't make the object described any less real though. That's why the "MUH SOSHAL CONSTRUKT" is a retarded argument.

>>9356000
Did you mean a citation?
https://www.apa.org/research/action/smarter.aspx

>>9352816
>Using IQ
Wew Lad
>As a measure of racial superiority
Wew Lad

>>9355963
This is bullshit, sure you could slightly raise your intelligence by exercising your brain but that does not invalidate that inherent IQ is genetics based and that there are impassible limits that your IQ can be depending on your genetic predisposition.
Like I said, no matter how much you exercise your brain, take supplements, and "believe you can get smarter", you are still not going to become the next Stephen Hawking.

It's impossible to go from an IQ of 85 to 100+ no matter how much effort you put in.
I wish this wasn't the case but it is a sad truth you must accept, once a brainlet, always a brainlet.
Hopefully, in the future we can significantly increase intelligence through transhumanism, designer babies, and gene therapy but right now there is no way.

>>9356237
The impassable limit is never, on average, 100 for any race. Which is why most of the debate is bullshit.

Universal basic income alone can raise the IQ of poor people by a standard deviation and save states enormous amounts of money. Talking about which race may or may not produce the most geniuses therefore becomes just a major distraction.

>>9356248
>The impassable limit is never, on average, 100 for any race. Which is why most of the debate is bullshit.
There are genetic limits for everything, I know no matter how hard I train in track and field I will never reach Usain Bolt's level, I have flat feet and an endomorph frame.
Why the fuck is intelligence any different?

>Universal basic income alone can raise the IQ of poor people by a standard deviation and save states enormous amounts of money.
Is it possible those people have higher incomes because they're smarter not that they're smart because they have higher incomes?
Next, you'll be telling me cancer causes cell phones.


>Talking about which race may or may not produce the most geniuses therefore becomes just a major distraction.
Read again, I never mentioned races, you are the one who brought up race.

You need to get this through your thick brainlet skull, everyone is not created equal, we all have our strengths, weakness, and varying growth potentials.

>>9356261
>Why the fuck is intelligence any different?
Nice job dodging the point while making a strawman. The strawman is me thinking there are no genetic limits btw, in case you're confused.

>Is it possible those people have higher incomes
Wait what? Dafuq are you on about suddenly?

>Read again, I never mentioned races
This is a thread about race, so I think you should leave then.

>>9356280
Aww, the poor brainlet is butthurt and deflecting.

Don't worry I'm sure if you keep exercising your brain, taking other people's money through universal basic income, and "believing you can get smarter" as your very reputable source suggests, then you can become as smart as the rest of us.

>>9356293
Be very specific. Where am I deflecting?

Btw, you might be confused because these, and only these, replies are mine.
>>9356280
>>9356248
>>9355963

>>9356261
>flat feet
not genetic
genetic determinism isn't as strong as people think

>>9356248
>UBI

if you can't even understand basic economics why do you expect anyone to take you seriously on any other subject, let alone one so contentious as this.

>>9356301
Actually, I understand more than basic economics. Many morons take basic economics which basically amounts to rational economics (utopia of rational actors). Of course, behavioral economics (and science in general really) completely upends most of that basic knowledge.

>>9356307
I think the point he was implying was that Universal Basic Income is a horrible economic position (which it is), and for you to promote it reflects poorly on your character.
But let us focus on biology and sociology, not economics.

>>9356316
The data directly contradicts that understandable intuition; science is often counter-intuitive which is why ideologues have such troubles just accepting facts.

Why are we races and not breeds

>>9356401
We are neither. We are clines.

>>9352816
Statistically, sure.
But that tells you nothing about an individual you couldn't learn to a far greater degree of accuracy just by talking to them.
If you're a certified retard with a 70 IQ, doesn't matter how pasty your skin is, almost all basketball Americans will be smarter than you, and doesn't matter how much you prove black people are a few points behind on average, a black doctor will still be a black doctor.
So sure, they'll score lower, and if you can find a use for that other than jerking off to how smart people with your skin colour are to compensate for your own cheeto dusted and MLP plastered existence, go for it.

>>9355337
It is, sort of.
It's an amazing measure of talent and ability. Try finding a doctor who's sub 125.
Doesn't go both ways though. Plenty of people with intellectual capacity act like total fucking retards or are so lazy they accomplish nothing. IQ is a requirement for high intellectual achievement, but not a cause.
A good analogy I heard is the mass of a linebacker. The mass of a person isn't a great way of measuring how good of a linebacker they'd be, but you'd never find a 50kg linebacker.

>>9356428
Because if negroes are, on average, dumber then other races then you can implement a different type of education to better support their deficiency. I believe it's been observed that negroes learn better with physical materials rather than abstract as is commonly seen in current schooling systems.

The dogmatic screeching that everyone is equal only hurts those who are worse off and denies them the possibility to compensate. But that's what the elite want anyway, a large base of stupid and weak, submissive people who do menial tasks for negligible pay which is then funneled back into their pockets via materialism Effectively, slave labor with the illusion of freedom. The left and right are puppets. The left pushes for the censorship of information while the right pushes for the freedom to be slaves.

Good luck, cunts.

>>9355580
That's more like ethnicity.
Hispanics (the American kind) are an admixture of Amerind and Iberian genetics, with varying levels of each from person to person. In admixtures, the traits don't mix in the intuitive way we'd imagine. If you visualized the Amerind genetics as yellow and the Iberian as blue, you wouldn't end up with shades of green people, but more weird collages of yellow and blue.
Jews and Arabs are both different branches of the same Semitic ancestor (the Arabs have some other people they assimilated as well) with wildly different and mutually incompatible cultures. They hate thinking of each other as the same because of culture and religion, and so it doesn't matter how much they look like each other, they'll fucking kill you for saying they're the same.

I'm not some /pol/tard race realist, but genetic populations are a very real and actually quite well understood scientific reality. We're at the point where, given a DNA test, we can pretty accurately guess where in the world your ancestors are from. Obviously, things are fuzzy, borders between aren't well defined, admixing is everywhere, and most predictions based on race are useless as humans differ more in races than between, but that doesn't mean that there isn't the very real thing called race.

>>9356084
So affirmative action is making black Americans try less on SATs?

>>9356448
>but that doesn't mean that there isn't the very real thing called race.
Actually it does since it's not "race" in a biological sense, it's cline.

>>9356437
That's fucking retarded.
If dumb kids need different education, the best way to get them that is not to just say "well blacks are the slightly dumber race, put them in the tard classes".
A black kid with a 130 is probably going to be able to handle calculus, you'll totally waste his talents if you make him play with blocks, and all the white 70s will just get fucked and learn nothing.
If intelligence is the factor requiring different education styles, segregate based on that, not melanin.
Although I have a feeling you don't really give a fuck, you're just trying to think up any excuse to get them there niggers away from your beautiful white daughter/lover, and under my plan you'd probably end up with the wranglers playing with blocks.

>>9356465
It's not a tard class and I never said it was. It's a different learning style and is not limited to blacks, nor should they be forced into it. The first years of primary school should separate those who learn abstractly and those who learn physically and then they should be separated with the option to be switched at any time.

>>9356456
Ok, so we can't describe rough groups of things on spectrums?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox

Just because there is some level of ambiguity in edge cases doesn't mean you can't create groupings that validly and usefully describe reality.

Would you deny that there are fat people and thin people? Clearly, when we talk of fat and thin people, there are infinite definitions we could have. Is someone who's 85 kg fat? Maybe, if we define it like that. We could use BMI definitions for obesity as our cutoff, that'd be another method. Maybe we should add a new category, so we have thin, kind of fat, really fat. I can do these endless games all day if I really want, but it doesn't invalidate that I am definitely describing something real. There are definitively morbidly obese amerifats riding around on mobility scooters and anorexics who look like walking skeletons, and you'd be retarded to say all of that is a social construct.

>>9356477
>Because if negroes are, on average, dumber then other races then you can implement a different type of education to better support their deficiency.

>Definitely not advocating for segregated based on race classes

>>9356478
>Ok, so we can't describe rough groups of things on spectrums?
(Biological) Races aren't that rough. If you're not happy with "cline", then at least use "strain", which is at least a little more accurate.

Instead of breaking useful categories like some postmodernist cunt.

>>9355714
But serfdom has been pretty much gone in Russia for a good 100 years.
You won't like it but a much better (((example))) exists, but that would be uncomfortable with the bias of whoever made this edit.

>>9356483
No, I'm not. I'm saying that if you stop screeching for 5 minutes and just think about it, the best thing for blacks is to realize they aren't the same as whites and that accommodating their difference is in the best interest of everyone. Same thing for all races. Do you seriously think a schooling system that was designed by whites for whites and then later applied to blacks is the best thing for blacks (and Indians)? If so, you're a retard.

>>9356490
>the best thing for blacks is to realize they aren't the same as whites

But they are the same (basically) when they share the same IQ. Blacks are not a collective hivemind, they're a collection of individuals with their own talents, their own dreams, their own desires. This edgy alt right collectivist faggotry is nothing but destructive and divisive. We can recognize races exist and also think they shouldn't mean shit about a person. Just let people be who they are, and not their race, and stop trying to force us all into collectives.

>>9353098
So some cultures are or can be objectively inferior to others.

>>9356529
That guy's retarded, you could never be objective about it, but to me, there does seem to intuitively be more and less developed and sophisticated elements of cultures.
Surely western medicine seems somewhat superior to voodoo.

>>9356529
>>9356541
Careful not to confuse cultural relativism with moral relativism.

>>9356451
> Thinks America is in Africa
You must have scored well on your SATs.

>>9354108
Are you saying they haven't Are you retarded?

>>9356465
No, you are wrong to the root of this issue, blacks and whites shouldn't be studying in the same schools, it effect negatively all of them, races should be separated, blacks should have their own schools.

Race is just the laymen's term for sub-species.

>>9352809
Only time I was mugged was from the only nigger in the metro cart. When the police broke up our fight he told him that he tried to make me pull out my wallet because he thought I stole something from him, then accused me of being on drugs and being racist for assuming that he tried to rob me. Police let him go after they searched me, but not him.

After this I became incredibly racist towards dindus.

>>9352769
Humans are not exactly the same so yes.

>>9352966
If blacks really wanted to succeed they would realize they couldnt amount to shit in whiteyland and go to Liberia and make their own prosperous nation. Liberia is currently one of the top 10 hellholes in Africa.

>>9352964
This is also my experience although I don't have satisfactory evidence to make this claim in any sort of official capacity

>>9355042
>>9355343
>>9354995

Sorry kids, but this paper is using the term "race" wrong. Of course biological subgroups exist. But when people talk about race, they talk about "black people, caucasians, asians", etc. These are not biological subgroups, these are vast regions which themselves contain many different subgroups. The only thing that a nigerian and a jamaican have in common is their pigment. They're from totally different regions, yet people consider them to both be of the same "race" because they're black, yet they're not even in the same biological sub group. So this whole idea of "race" is absurd and roughly meaningless.

Regional genetic differences are indisputably real. Race is bullshit.

>>9357935
not true. broad racial categories like caucasoid, mongoloid, negroid actually match up surprisingly well with genetic reality.

Look at this. All these different ethnic groups have their FST differences mapped out.

You can clearly see a caucasoid cluster of ethnic groups from europe, the middle east, iran and the indian subcontinent.
You can clearly see an mongoloid cluster of people from east asia, south east asia.

These clusters would be picked out by any unsupervised learning, clustering algorithm.

Furthermore, look within the caucasoid and east asian clusters. Look at how it shows that any caucasoid ethnicity is more close genetically to any other caucasoid ethnicity.

Its absolutely remarkable that 19th century anthropologists were able to come up with these groupings looking just at facial characteristics and quite naive and unsystematic linguistics and they end up being mostly accurate with the genetic reality.

Of course a race is a layman's term for a group of ethnic groups, but it does reflect biological, genetic truth that ethnic groups within that race are more closely related to each other than ethnic groups outside that race.

And when you or others say "races don't exist" or aren't real, you're also covering up the real , measured biological differences between ethnic groups because "hurr what do you mean black people are much more lactose intolerant than white people? don't you know race isn't real , bro?" and other anti-scientific stupidity.

>>9353307
I agree completely, I can't wait for Elon Musk to move his headquarters to Mars, where he will be completely free to run his fucked up eugenics experiments (also Mars is the best tax haven)

>>9357935
>FST differences
woops should say Fst distances

see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index#FST_in_humans

Besides, by admitting that regional genetic differences are real, you're already admitting what "right wing people" want and what the left do not want you to admit

by repeating their slogan "races aren't real" you're just providing cover for them to use that slogan to silence anyone who wants to point out average genetic differences between subsaharan africans and east asians or whites.

e.g.
>Factor Analysis of Population Allele Frequencies as a Simple, Novel Method of Detecting Signals of Recent Polygenic Selection: The Example of Educational Attainment and IQ.

>Two single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) whose associations with intelligence seem to be robust because they have been replicated in several independent studies were chosen as representative of intelligence increasing alleles.

>East Asian populations (Japanese, Chinese) have the highest average frequency of beneficial alleles (39%), followed by Europeans (35.5%) and sub-Saharan Africans (16.4%).

http://www.ibc7.org/article/journal_v.php?sid=312

>>9357967

Interesting. Can you point me to some material so I can look into the subject? I know pretty much nothing aside from having heard many times within the last decade that scientists have debunked the notion of race. Could be a modern legend of sorts.

Also, I am typically repelled by the subject because almost every time it appears on /sci/ its for what I consider to be disgusting reasons. The conversation often focuses on how "niggers are dumb". Last time I posted in a thread on the subject, the OP was fervently arguing that we should segregate all of society based on race in an effort to "end racism and end racial violence". Really disturbing fucking shit.

So while race may well be real, as you say, I am reticent to accept it fully because then it leads to questions of "which race is the smartest", which, when answered, simply emboldens and self-justifies the abhorrent white supremecist fuckheads who swarm and writhe around 4chan day in and day out.

>>9357935
how did biobrainlets convince themselves that races based on geographical barriers doesn't apply to populations divided by geographical barriers nor make the exceedingly obvious connection is beyond me.

>>9357983
>>9355042
you can start here. this is a paper published 32 days ago that goes in detail and refutes the denial of races in depth. it literally goes through all major papers published in last 20 years.

>>9357935
Also, you need to brush up your history. Jamaica was colonized by escaped slaves... Jamaicans are literally Africans with some admixture between Americans, Spanish, and British people.

>>9357983
the science and data behind that image are in this article here >>9357975 which gives an introduction and further reading into what a fixation index is.

You'll probably end up scanning through these wikipedia pages too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_clustering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_genetics

before you say
>wikipedia
It's actually a very good resource for compiling related scientific information in a number of different fields. much more convenient than me linking individual papers which each only cover .a narrow question , and the articles are well sourced.

>The conversation often focuses on how "niggers are dumb". Last time I posted in a thread on the subject, the OP was fervently arguing that we should segregate all of society based on race in an effort to "end racism and end racial violence". Really disturbing fucking shit.

I hear this claim frequently but usually when I see race threads posted on /sci/, the thread opens with a simple questions and it is more liberal people who immediately accuse the OP of virulent racism and shut down all factual discussion with ad hominem attacks, get back to /pol/ etc. They seem to stand in the way of reasonable scientific discussion the most.

As for the question of whether black people genetically have lower IQs, well there is evidence to suggest that.
pic related and source
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a2d7/85edd7aa61b7ba51355053cc61d8b924fe35.pdf

>>9358051
in this study, black babies adopted by affluent white parents were compared with white babies adopted by affluent white parents and both groups had their IQs measured at age 17.
the mean IQ of the black adoptees at age 17 was 89.4 while the mean IQ of the white adoptees was 105.6 .
Thus even when raising the two groups in very similar environments to grow up in, the Iq difference between the two groups was still about 15 IQ points, which was exactly the same as the average IQ gap in the general US population.

the fact that the IQ gap remained the same even when raising both groups in much more similar environments than before , is good evidence that the there is a significant genetic component to black IQ being lower in comparison to white IQ.

>>9358056
Didn't Minnesota transadoption researchers recant their study?

>>9358062
Not really, Waldman, weinberg and scarr who did the age 17 follow up study said in response to some critics
>We think that it is exceedingly implausible that these differences are either entirely genetically based or entirely environmentally based. The true causes of racial-group differences in IQ, or in any other characteristic, are likely to be too complex to be captured by locating them on a single hereditarianism-environmentalism dimension

They're saying that it is neither purely genetic nor purely environmental, so they're admitting that there is a genetic component but there is also an environmental component.

>>9358056
Pre-natal environment, stereotype threat, and then genetics. Can't ignore other factors.

>>9358156
>hurr your background and upbringing don't matter because your background and upbringing determine everything!

>>9358156
my man, you're missing this point
>Thus even when raising the two groups in very similar environments to grow up in, the Iq difference between the two groups was still about 15 IQ points, which was exactly the same as the average IQ gap in the general US population.

>the fact that the IQ gap remained the same even when raising both groups in much more similar environments than before , is good evidence that the there is a significant genetic component to black IQ being lower in comparison to white IQ.

Even though there might be some differences in the environment between the white adoptees and black adoptees that were not controlled for, like stereotype threat or neonatal differences, the fact that the environments were made MUCH closer and yet there was no reduction in the mean IQ gap is indicative of a significant genetic component.

But also
>stereotype threat
landmark study that got people raving wasn't found to be reproducible as I remember. there is very mixed evidence that this is a thing.
>neonatal differences
you would indeed expect adopted babies not to have had the best womb environments but there is not clear reason to assume that the womb environment of black women who give up babies for adoption would be significantly worse on average than the womb environment of white women who give up babies for adoption.

>>9358211
>my man
stopped reading there

>>9356960
Are you retarded?

I'm pointing out that people with mostly the same genetics in a different continent with actual opportunities are still scoring lower than white people.

>>9358062
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/the-minnesota-transracial-adoption-study-a-follow-up-of-iq-test-performance-at-adolescence1.pdf
this followup study seems to say that the biological parent's IQ correlates more than adoptees IQ

>>9352769
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JVrw-IiGgLY

>>9355954
>IQ is heavily influenced by hereditary genetics, this isn't even controversial science it's accepted by most in the field. Racial genetics, on the other hand, is a different issue.
That's exactly what I was arguing you stupid fucking brainlet.

>>9355714
>Russia immense contribution to litterature,philosophy
Excuse me?

>>9356489
>but a much better (((example)))
Not him but I'm curious about the example you are speaking of

>>9357864
So someone who has nothing in America should go to Liberia? That's retarded, leaving your country to go to a much poorer one is only a good idea when you have the means to exploit ressources there, something the average Tyrone can't.

>>9358793
You appear to think that there's "different" genes. "Racial" and "hereditary" genetics are one and the same gene. The more I think about your thought progress, the more apparent it is that how you fundamentally don't understand genetics.

>>9358963
>The more I think
Stopped reading there. You aren't doing any thinking.

>>9358829
Americans literally handed over Liberia to African Americans.
>your country
This isnt their country they are just farm equipment that overstayed their welcome and for some reason really hate Africa.

>>9356545
Such values are subjective. Try again.

>>9357864
>if blacks would do x
Nope. America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans. Go back to europe, subhuman.

>>9352769
race as a popular term yes enough there are enough discrepancies between "races" that are more than just looks, that is good to talk and individualize groups (never individuals) of people as we already do IRL but in science-science there arent even subspecies

i dont even care about this kraut shit because both sides are wrong on a bunch of things, more on krauts side though

>>9359046
>>9357864
You have no idea about liberia, don't talk about it. Liberia started out as a united States colony, for strategic control in West Africa, and as a cannon fodder mill.it was the untied States government that set up their government, helped the freed slaves enslave the native population and dominated their trade. When the native Liberians sought liberty,the united States government stepped in and started an incredibly violent civil war, guns, drugs and money came in from international logging pirates, the CIA and the fucking Contra. Into the hands of sociopaths trained by US special forces, all their military was trained by our military. What did the US nanny state do to stop this? Nothing it tried it's very best to destabilize the country, and still does. Then you have more civil wars, chuck tailor becoming president and all kinds of incredibly fucked up shit happening, ive seen footage. This pattern repeats itself throughout africa, the middle east, Latin America and indochina. If you actually studied what goes on it would probably occur to you that these people are incredibly normal. It can happen to literally everyone.
It makes me want to kick your teeth in, their skeletons our in our closets.

>>9352966
that's no excuse, they behave the same in southern europe, I grew up with senegalese and angolan negroes.

You stupid cunt I wish you could have seen what I've seen.

1. Ever seen a guy take half a minute to calculate 4+4?

2. Ever seen a guy so taken out of life that on a school work on social networks instead of writing on myspace the social network he wrote a paper on myspace the restaurant down in the city?

I have fucking seen stupidity you wouldn't think it was possible, ffs northen europeans are so clueless.

This is in southern europe you stupid fucking fucks : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TxAsSZIvTg

You fucking northen europeans and americans will never wake the fuck up look at the ISRAELIS KICKING OUT THE AFRICANS AND THE CHINESE BEING OPENLY HONEST J=FUCKING HELL I HATE YOU IM GLAD YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO EXTINCTION YOU FUCKING NAIVE NAIIIIIVEEEEEEEEE FUCKS.

>>9359226
You fucking Idiot look at BRAZIL

North : Negroes and Pardos

>Lowest education attainment
>Highest obesity rates
>Highest mortality
>Highest fertility
>Lowest average IQ

South : Whites and jews

The fucking opposite

Fucking hell why do you stupid fucking naive american cunts always make excuses, I bet you have a complex opinion on palestine-israel relations right?

>>9360319
>>9360326

And before any of you fucks call me names, THEY COULD BE FUCKING PINK AND HAVE 3 EYES FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE YOU COCKSUCKAS

>>9352964
Read literature before you speak rubish, everything you just said was fluff and flat out wrong.

You fucking virtue signaling apologetic weak wristed cunt, I bet you have no jaw.

Here's a race that is smarter : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Wow amazing a race, THAT IS SMARTER.

God fucking dammed if you all spoke the truth instead of fucking lying trough your teeth the world would be such a better place I hate all of you.

>>9358810
WHAT DO YOU MEAN EXCUSE ME? ARE YOU STUPID OR JUST RETARDED?

AND THAT'S ACCOUNTING FOR ALL THE DYSGENIC EFFECT DUE TO COMMUNIST EXECUTIONS, YOU KNOW WHO THEY KILLED? ANYONE SMART.

AND STILL.. IDIOT.

>>9356280
ahahahaha you're a fucking loser.

a guy with an IQ of 85 will never get a physics PhD not matter how hard he studies, no matter how many neurogenesis promoting compounds he takes.

You fucking weak willed lying piece of shit.

>>9352769
Is OP literally asking if measuring the fastest (1,PRIME,Cardinality) a real thing? Yes, it is.

I have no idea how the common moron hasn't identified that 'race' is simply a measurement of speed. This also means that 'every' fucking attempt to just lump a bunch of categories together to be measured means you will only care about 1st, 2nd, 3rd...

I'm assuming they mean race as a collective but that is no different than 'shared rules of orbit'.

YOU GUYS ARE GIVING YOURSELVES CANCER!

It amazes me that racist types are always looking no deeper than anecdotal stories to justify their hated

nobody has "always been that way"
nobody "did it to themselves"

actually bother to read history and you see that humans are all shit and some on everyone else. the groups that came out of it the worst are the ones your all saying "deserve it" because we backed them into a wall, give them no other path in life, then wonder why they lash out while using that as an excuse to treat them like shit even more

nobody wants to be an uneducated, violent criminal. but when the well off take away any chance they have at something more. what the fuck do you expect

>>9360377
wtf are you talking about nigga

Here's something for you, you need it.

>>9360326
You don't know shit about Brazil either, can you honestly even name 7 cities and 3 rivers in Brazil? Can you list every country Brazil borders? Do you know about foreign relations and investment in Brazil? What about the geopolitical or natural history of Brazil?
You don't know dick from cunt and I know you dont, it doesn't seem like you are aware of your ignorance.
Just shut the fuck up

>>9360388
Try this out:

http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=23582.msg1469805#msg1469805

>>9360451
I'm Portuguese with a house in sao paulo and 3 pardo friends.

I know more about brazil than you, I know how shitty it really is, and once the whites are gone (and they will it will) only get worse, to african levels.

>>9360377

never worked around kngrs have you

>>9358211
>but there is not clear reason to assume that the womb environment of black women who give up babies for adoption would be significantly worse on average than the womb environment of white women who give up babies for adoption.

i disagree

>>9360476
Sao Paulo is a long ways away from the heart of darkness. Northern Brazil is so poor because land Barrons, foreign investment groups and the state own the dirt beneath the poor's feet. Ive spent 3 months in the north region far away from metropolitan areas most of the time, but also Manaus. The people in the north are so poor because corporations own everything, and the incredibly corrupt state likes it that way. There is a reason why southern land Barron's own more land (which they destroy) than the people who actually live there.
I don't care if you are Brazilian, you don't know shit. Why else would you reduce such a ridiculously complex set of issues to genetic determinism, especially when that is such an obviously wrong conclusion? Your opinions are ridiculous and I refuse to waste any more time on them.

>>9360585
>foreign investment groups
who the hell would invest in that piece of shit
>the incredibly corrupt state likes it that way
all states are corrupt u fucking retard

>>9354178
>>9354184
It's especially sad because it's not just some random guy, it's james fucking watson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watson#Avoid_Boring_People,_UK_book_tour_and_resignation

>>9360585
my god what don't you get? ITS ALL ABOUT IQ.

IQ IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS AND ITS MOSTLY GENETIC.

THATS IT.

>>9356297
its stronger than people think akshually lol especially for intelligence and height

>>9354979
I guess we prescribe shit tons of medicine based on strict racial guidelines because all doctors are arbitrary racists. Thanks anon!

>>9352769
you tell me

Is the taxonomy, evolution, correlation, and genotype denialist from that other thread here?

Why does race realism matters?

>>9352769
So, is trans-racialism real, /sci/?

>>9360858
It's important from an accuracy of information standpoint, but racists and liberals both have their stances for the wrong reasons. If we enforced some sort of eugenics based on pol's views we would just end up as inbred Appalachian retards. Whereas liberals want to totally deny that iq correlates with phenotype at all. The information is out there for people to see anyway, so it doesn't matter. Natural selection is the best form of eugenics you can have though, it's been proven time and time again, over billions of years.

The ultimate question for /sci/
Which one?

>>9360900
They both look good, but one has fake hair, which imo is kind of odd.

>>9360910
Probs not fake, black hair can be made to look straight if you curl it. Likely photoshop.

>>9360900
White women have better feet
t. black guy

>>9360937
Mulatto women have best of both worlds. :)
t. mulatto

>>9360617
agribusiness, timber, mining, oil and gas, dam building companies, beef
what do you think the amazon is disappearing for no reason?
in metropolitan areas large corparte hubs in free trade zones gentrify and exploit the poor, reliance on consumer markets(corporate command economies) means the poor have to pay for everything and have nothing to get paid for. the brazilain state has been very gun ho about letting the first world rape its population and has been good at repressing dissidents(every once in a while a "please stop genocideing us" will be heard from the indigenous but their cries are mostly ignored, drowned out by chainsaws, heavy machinery and gunfire) so brazil has been spared direct destabilization, because the kleptocrat elite keep their country destabilized to begin with.
>all states are corrupt u fucking retard
not necessarily. While staes are inherntly authoritarian amd i believe they need to be done away with. at least relativley there are very big differnces beteen canada and germany compared to Honduras or south africa

>>9354588

in an effort to understand fst i stumbled upon this

Henry Harpending argued that this value implies on a world scale a "kinship between two individuals of the same human population is equivalent to kinship between grandparent and grandchild or between half siblings". In fact, the formulas derived in Harpending's paper in the 'Kinship in a subdivided population' section imply that two unrelated individuals of the same race have a higher coefficient of kinship (0.125) than an individual and their mixed race half-sibling (0.109).[7]

is that true, wtf? i'm 21% amerindian with a full white sister. i suppose the odds are better since im only (1/4) nonwhite, but it's quite disconcerting nonethless desu.

>>9360971
Is your "half" sister hot? You have the perfect excuse now.

>>9360985
shes a baby anon

>>9360992
So what's exactly disconcerting to you?

>>9360956
>agribusiness, timber, mining, oil and gas, dam building companies, beef
this is what counts as investment? resource extraction? lmao!!

the closest recent thing to an investment for the "people" would be those useless stadiums from the world cup, and it takes these retarded politicians for that kind of infrastructure to be build IN THAT AREA, no one else in this whole world would be retarded enough to build anything similar in that shit ever!!!! from that region we only want commodities nothing else, they don't even need anyone to actively destabilize anything, everything there is already worthless by definition

>not necessarily. While staes are inherntly authoritarian amd i believe they need to be done away with. at least relativley there are very big differnces beteen canada and germany compared to Honduras or south africa
this sentence is complete nonsense, the states are sometimes overtly bureaucratic but not authoritarian, authoritarian is something like current venezuela, the closest thing to coercion they do is obliging everyone to vote under a fine, else you have a lot of freedom to do whatever you want, and none of these things are intrinsically related to corruption, the people on those positions just have a lot of honest ill intent and they actually brag about it, it is part of the culture of this place to take advantage of others on every little thing even if it doesn't benefit you, just to fuck other people up, whether you are part of it or not, if youre a brazilian you should more than be aware of this, and you say "not necessarily" but meanwhile all states are nearing bankruptcy from all these losses (with an estimation of 200bi yearly), the states from south are the only ones with a leg to stand on and it is solely because of the industry, all the rest is beyond fucked

>>9361028
the fact that my sister might be more related to some random white dude than me. its spiritually farcical

>>9360918
We need more natty hair

>>9361040
I'm not going to read this all this post
Yeah, investment is what they call it.
Foreign direct investment FDI specifically, it comes from so called "free trade agreements"

All states serve to protect power, they have authority by law. The state allows private power to buy(steal) the land out from people feet and the fish from their river. States have authority, in classical liberalism that authority was supposed to justify itself, that idea has been lost to modern democracies.
I wasn't talking about corruption in that sense. I was referring to how accommodating the states legal institutions are to private power.
Comparing Brazil to south Africa in terms of corruption wasn't very accurate. It's more like India or USA in terms of this kind of systemic corruption.
Anyways ideally I don't take kindly to states, I believe if people were put in control of their oan lives and had no means to control anyone elses states would have no use. The main reason we 'need' states is to protect the legal construct of """private property""" and to regulate capital, two things that give authority to anything that touches them.

>>9361047
>all that dye
Looks like a wig or weave, if it isn't.

>>9361079
>I'm not going to read this all this post
then shut the fuck up
>Yeah, investment is what they call it.
those are all commodities, they come from people working under the sun harvesting basic shit, this is why they dont even count to me, retard
>Foreign direct investment FDI specifically, it comes from so called "free trade agreements"
and stfu comes from shut the fuck up
>All states serve to protect power, they have authority by law. The state allows private power to buy(steal) the land out from people feet and the fish from their river. States have authority, in classical liberalism that authority was supposed to justify itself, that idea has been lost to modern democracies.
they also seem to have the authority to build multi billion stadiums in the middle of the amazon. obviously joking, not taking you seriously here because i know what is your point, youre saying this because youre like one of those communist retards who want land to be shared equally, all you need to know is that no one takes u seriously, bye
>I wasn't talking about corruption in that sense. I was referring to how accommodating the states legal institutions are to private power.
but thats literally where the corruption comes from fucktard, corruption is actually preferable this way because it looks like something else
>Comparing Brazil to south Africa in terms of corruption wasn't very accurate.
never did such a thing fucking idiot, that was the guy from my greentext and i called him out, dont even know your interpretation is the right interpretation because he didnt make much sense, he is also a different person by his writing
>give authority to anything that touches them
so u prefer that authority to be transfered to your neighbours? to some idiot with a bigger gun you dont even know? i dont care what you think, you can go fuck yourself with your revolutionary ideas

>>9361107
>stfu, stfu,...
mad
>y dont even count to me
edgy
>communist retards who want land to be shared equally,
not s communist. i dont think that. i think you should "own" what you personally interact with, your home the product of your work, ect. to varying degrees based on how much that possession is shared, for example in a factory or farm the profit should be divided up amongst the workers , who manage themselves based on their share of labour. or the land you posses should be yours to various degrees of exclusivity , like your dwelling should be yours and yours alone, but community possed land such as a forest or a farm should be possed and managed for all of its inhabitants
>no one takes you seriously
serious people do. but thats true of most people, who really do not understand much to begin with
>never did such a thing fucking idiot, that was the guy from my greentext and i called him out, dont even know your interpretation is the right interpretation because he didnt make much sense, he is also a different person by his writing
no that was me
>so u prefer that authority to be transfered to your neighbours? to some idiot with a bigger gun you dont even know? i dont care what you think, you can go fuck yourself with your revolutionary ideas
irl I shock my head.
there is no way of getting around authority. it should be justified. i dont believe having enough money to buy it is a decent standard of justification. actually its complete bullshit, you woud have to be extermely niave to buy into such and obvious scam. liberterian socailism is the only theoreticall fair kind of economy. Im really not about doctrines like that though,it doesnt intrest me to shit around towards some loftly utopian ideal. im about action, about improving our situation, not advoocating for some other situation and i am enthusiastic about anarchy, serious anarchy.

>>9361146
let me point out that wile authority is a necessity, hierarchy is absolutely not. Hierarchy is the worst

>>9361146
>mad
still not saying anything stfu 3x
>edgy
subversive retard
>divided up amongst the workers
>land you posses should be yours to various degrees of exclusivity
>possed and managed for all of its inhabitants
LOL. also note i said that you are "LIKE a communist", i only know you have leftard ideas, i cant tell exactly where you fall in the spectrum
>serious people do
maybe those people arent so serious because you never get shit done enjoy being perpetually triggered
>no that was me
then you were replying to yourself congratz
>i am enthusiastic about anarchy, serious anarchy.
LOL so youre even worse than a communist, congratz 2x

>>9361169
are you a teenager or something? You are terrible at posting, like a lost /b/tard that wandered in to /his/ and found his way here. This is what I deserve for not immediately hiding this thread

>>9361175
sorry if i dont like anarchy

i have it on my notes though i will try to improve myself from now on

>>9361179
doesn't bother me if you don't like anarchy, just remember that anarchy still loves you no matter what. its just the quality of your responses. They are boring and unintellectual. I cant do much with them.

>>9361181
>anarchy
>intellectual
and your responses activate my almonds, you sold me on this idea

>>9361190
>sarcastic x ,y meem
>nut meme
newfag pls go. Especially from /sci/, being dickhead that likes a flame war more than a dialect is not a personality trait that suits people with academic interests

>>9361203
so u want me to accept that anarchists have any academic interests as well?

i am sorry for my ignorance never had much contact with this kind of creature

If race is just a sort of subdivision of humans, how far does that go? Can I say that my immediate family is its own "race"? We are the human "race", after all? Maybe the whole race ordeal has to do with bad english and there was never a clear definition by which people got mixed up? Thus it's up to the individual?
>dictionary.com

>>9361207
>so u want me to accept that anarchists have any academic interests as well?
oh yes, people who are serious about anarch, and not thestereotypical punk rock verison of anarchy(not that there is anything wrong with punk) tend to be in acedemia or under heavy hedgemony. After all, Noam chomsky the person alive with the most citations, is as enthusiatic about anarchy as i am.

>>9361221
Races aren't far enough away to be sub-species, unlike what /pol/tards say. Even 10,000 years isn't enough to create sub-species.

>>9360511
racist

>>9361512
>>9354588

WHY TE FUCK IS IS THREAD AT THE TOP OF THE BOARD?
it should have been deleted and permaban in the first place.
fuck u mods 300 AND DEAD

>>9352815
Society is a racial construct.

>>9353112
>Would you blame environment or the genes that made the father more likely to produce a harmful environment?
The genes of the father are an environmental factor for the kid. Anything exterior to the kid is environmental.

>>9361228
plus if you join the elite anarchy club and sell 30 Hamarchy bran Christmas hams before the new year you get a 10,000 dollars and a free mechsuit. Complements of the billionaire Marxist-lennist investor and antifa CEO, George Soros.
sign up now by mailing your 100$ one time membership fee and an oral swab DNA sample to the Clinton foundation. In 5-7 business days your uniform and ID card, along with a Hamarchy mail order will arrive at your return address

Americans are so brainwashed that are making a hard time realizing that blacks are just more dumb and savage?

>>9354361
No, are you retarded? Do you think you need a society to die?

>>9362601
also if you would please write my name down as a referral when submitting your membership application fee.
after i refer 66 new members i get executive status(basically a say in what books we burn and which Islamic militants we sponsor) and an all expenses payed luxury 5 day cruise in the Caribbean.
my name, Ted Kaczynski.
Thanks comrade, i look forward to seeing you at the annual conference

>>9354588
>despite of it not being the standard in taxonomy.
That's the whole point: There is no standard

>>9355714
So, was it the majority of Russians who contributed to science, literature, philosophy and medicine or was it a small minority?

Really makes me think

>>9356100
>Everything only exists in language
/pol/tards are THIS dumb

When you put several things into a group you can scientifically deduce common traits. When you put several human beings into a group you can scientifically deduce tendencies. Due to the social climate it is taboo to approach this subject. The general exception is when you note positive traits about groups of people who are minorities in western countries. It reveals a lot about the current social climate, especially the fact that it is also taboo to speak of the existence of this bias.

>>9362674
>Define everything without language.
Brainlets are this brainlet.

>>9358810
Dostoevsky alone makes Russia a bigger contributor than most countries in literature.

>>9364176
I'm arguing about the "immense" here. Because I don't see how Russia contribution was immense especially compared to countries such as France, Germany and England.