/sci/ - Science & Math

It means he's quicker than you

>>9340626
Does quicker mean superior cognitive ability though, even when it's brute force?

>>9340580
Please take this fucking popsci bullshit to some other board. Given infinite time, you'd still make worse moves than Magnus Carlsen in a normal classical chess match.

>>9340821
Why do you figure that?

>>9340821
>>9340835
Furthermore, how would that relate to an IQ examination?

IQ and "cognitive ability" are meaningless words. It's like asking what counts as art: it's fucking stupid and you're clearly missing the whole point.

>>9340845
So what is the point? IQ tests are timed questionnaires we use to determine how smart or capable a person is. Someone like a mentally retarded Flash could in theory brute force for a high score.
Wouldn't this mean IQ tests are basically bunk exams that don't accurately reflect anything besides how fast you're willing/able to work?

>>9340854
Well not mentally retarded, as that implies low IQ, but a Flash that is for sure incredibly deficient in memory and learning capabilities.

>>9340854
Yeah, no shit, Sherlock, intelligence tests are a fucking meme. How's high school going?

>>9340864
Pretty cash. I passed penis inspection day.

Yeah, IQ is pretty much bullshit as a means of testing for potential. It's not worth investing to much time into, people have known this for decades, and only /pol/tards continue to fall for the meme.

No one's taken IQ seriously for decades. The only difference between people is how much they enjoy something and their will power, and their intelligence will prosper through that environment.

>Be Brainlet Flash
>Try to make the best move in chess
>Still have to keep a massive amount of different possibilities in memory
>Forget important details, lose the train of thought, fail to make important connections
>All of this a million times faster than the average brainlet
>Come up with a pretty okay but not great move in the end, because you are brainlet Flash

>>9341854
>forget important details , lose train of thought, fail to make important connections
Why couldn't he just enumerate all possibilities on a separate piece of paper and then brute force for the best solution? He doesn't need to make important connections to know how to best keep all his pieces from being taken turn by turn and could instead simply play with the intent of outlasting his opponents by and win every time by listing all the possible moves and their successive moves about 10 turns deep on a separate piece of paper, and de facto be the best chess player in the world while still being a complete juice sipping moron.

>>9341864
If we assume being a brainlet means a constant rate of errors per amount of work done, going a million times as fast means a million times more mistakes.

>>9341908
He would hit a ceiling way before a million mistakes. Think of it like this: a dog given a million years will still not be able to do algebra, just like brainlets will never achieve anything.

>>9341908
>if we assume being a brainlet means a constant rate of errors per amount of work done
Why do you assume he'd make mistakes? Going with the chess example, he's doing millions of simple problems in an instant (calculating all possible moves and the moves ten steps after those moves). If he keeps tally on a seperate paper of what would cause the most damage (take away his pieces) and how to cause the most damage while not ending in a bad spot, he would win without any explicit understanding of the patterns involved. No millions of mistakes involved.

>>9340580
Same as Tetris score. What does your Tetris score tell you? How good you are at playing Tetris. IQ tests tell you how good you are at taking IQ tests.

But some people will always be better at Tetris than others - just like IQ tests.

Like Tetris, IQ tests involve sticking a lot of blocks together in the right way in a predetermined period of time. Like Tetris, your score will improve the more often you perform this test. Unlike Tetris scores, this is why IQ scores are only valid if you haven't had someone watch you take the test in at least a year.

And oddly, playing a lot of Tetris, does tend to make you score better at IQ.

Now, IQ also involves number memory, and yes, you're timed, so there's your processing speed. It does not, however, in anyway test learning capacity - it instead is assumed, much like if you suck at Tetris, you're are going to suck at other things that arranging blocks quickly. If you can't memorize too many numbers, you're memory probably isn't all that good. In either case, this may affect your ability to learn, insomuch as sucking at Tetris, affects your ability to be an architect under a strict deadline.

Is your Tetis score gonna suffer if you've not eaten in awhile, or if you just got up, or if some hairy old man is breathing of your shoulder while you are playing? Probably. And so will your IQ score.

Now, if you're great at arranging blocks, but suck at number memory, that's a sign of a specific learning disability - and another, should the case be reversed.

BECAUSE THIS IS PSYCHOLOGY!

t. Psychologist who regularly gives high school students IQ tests, to decide if they are going to go into SE or SED.

>>9340742
Are computers smart? No. Is the Flash smart? Not for the reasons you're implying, no. Could the flash work up every mathematical concept from first principals in a short span of time, sure. But most versions of The Flash are also fairly intelligent in their own right.

Whereas Superman literally had a "Super Math" power in the golden age, which he used once or twice (likely in an elaborate scheme to fool Lois Lane) and it was never mentioned again. And that power was separate from his golden age "Super Intelligence" power, which let him do all sorts of crazy science things.