/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9331693
Girls are much better than boys at working together to solve problems

>>9331693
Students who have stronger reading or maths skills tend to be better at collaborative problem-solving because managing and interpreting information, and the ability to reason, are required to solve problems. The same is true across countries.

>>9331696
However, students in Australia, Japan, Korea, New Zealand and the United States perform better in collaborative problem solving than would be expected based on their scores in science, reading and mathematics. But students in the four Chinese provinces that took part in PISA (Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Guangdong) do less well compared to their results in mathematics and science.

Distribution

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>>9331694
Girls do better than boys in every country and economy that took the test, by the equivalent of half a year’s schooling on average (29 points). On average across OECD countries, girls are 1.6 times more likely than boys to be top performers in collaborative problem solving, while boys are 1.6 times more likely than girls to be low achievers. This is in sharp contrast to the findings of the 2012 individual problem-solving test which found that boys performed better than girls.

Where are the African countries, OP? XP

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>>9331709
Any explanation for this?

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>>9331709
meanwhile, somewhere back in mountain view, someone got fired for suggesting women may prefer pair programming...

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>>9331712

Not op but I believe countries can opt in or out of PISA. Also some countries can be very selective of who gets tested which is why China gets mentioned three times in the charts.

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>>9331719

It's never been about actually helping things, just a new dogma

men are le bad and women need gibs

>>9331733

Red Pill

If you remove the scores of blacks, the USA is #1 on pretty much all of these tests

>>9331737

Average scores of U.S. 15-year-old students on the PISA collaborative problem solving scale, by race/ethnicity in U.S.: 2015


Non-Hispanic Asian—Massachusetts (public school students only) 577
Non-Hispanic Asian—North Carolina (public school students only) 568
Non-Hispanic White—Massachusetts (public school students only) 562
Non-Hispanic Asian—United States 559
Massachusetts (public school students only) 549
Non-Hispanic Multiracial—Massachusetts (public school students only) 546
Non-Hispanic White—North Carolina (public school students only) 546
Non-Hispanic White—United States 550
North Carolina (public school students only) 525
Non-Hispanic Multiracial—United States 523
United States 520
Non-Hispanic Multiracial—North Carolina (public school students only) 512
Hispanic (all races)—North Carolina (public school students only) 512
Non-Hispanic Black—Massachusetts (public school students only) 505
OECD (32 countries) average 500
Hispanic (all races)—United States 497
Hispanic (all races)—Massachusetts (public school students only) 497
Non-Hispanic Black—North Carolina (public school students only) 481
Non-Hispanic Black—United States 471

>>9331770
Can some burger explain me why Massachusetts does so well?

>>9331739

Nope, East Asia still does better but that's mostly because China selects what provinces get in, South Korea kids are at school for +14 hours on average a day (primary +supplementary) and Japan are straight up moon people.

>>9331813
>South Korea kids are at school for +14 hours on average a day (primary +supplementary)
This anglo meme has to end

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>>9331859

Singapore 561
British Columbia (Canada) 561
Japan 552
Massachusetts (public schools only) 549
Alberta (Canada) 543
Hong Kong-China 541
Korea 538
Canada 535
Estonia 535
Finland 534
Macao-China 534
Nova Scotia (Canada) 533
New Zealand 533
Ontario (Canada) 532
Australia 531
Prince Edward Island (Canada) 529
Chinese Taipei 527
North Carolina (public schools only) 525
Germany 525
Newfoundland and Labrador (Canada) 521
England (United Kingdom) 521
United States 520
Denmark 520
United Kingdom 519
Flemish community (Belgium) 519
Madrid (Spain) 519
Manitoba (Canada) 519
Netherlands 518
New Brunswick (Canada) 517
Castile and Leon (Spain) 517
Northern Ireland (United Kingdom) 514
Scotland (United Kingdom) 513
Bolzano (Italy) 512
Sweden 510
Austria 509
Saskatchewan (Canada) 508
Navarre (Spain) 505
Catalonia (Spain) 505
Norway 502
Slovenia 502
Belgium 501
Trento (Italy) 500
Iceland 499
Aragon (Spain) 499
Czech Republic 499
Portugal 498
Lombardia (Italy) 498
Castile-La Mancha (Spain) 497
Spain 496
Wales (United Kingdom) 496
B-S-J-G (China) 496
Asturias (Spain) 496

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La Rioja (Spain) 495
Galicia (Spain) 494
France 494
German-speaking community (Belgium) 493
Comunidad Valenciana (Spain) 492
Luxembourg 491
Balearic Islands (Spain) 488
Murcia (Spain) 486
Latvia 485
Cantabria (Spain) 485
Canary Islands (Spain) 484
Basque Country (Spain) 484
Andalusia (Spain) 483
French community (Belgium) 479
Italy 478
Dubai (UAE) 47
Extremadura (Spain) 474
Bogotá (Colombia) 474
Russia 473
Croatia 473
Hungary 472
Israel 469
Lithuania 467
Região Autónoma dos Açores (Portugal) 467
Slovak Republic 463
Greece 459
Chile 457
Medellín (Colombia) 453
Manizales (Colombia) 451
Cyprus 444
Bulgaria 444
Campania (Italy) 443
Uruguay 443
Costa Rica 441
Cali (Colombia) 440
Thailand 436
United Arab Emirates 435
Mexico 433
Colombia 429
Sharjah (UAE) 429
Turkey 422
Abu Dhabi (UAE) 422
Peru 418
Montenegro 416
Brazil 412
Ajman (UAE) 412
Fujairah (UAE) 402
Ras Al Khaimah (UAE) 400
Umm Al Quwain (UAE) 394
Tunisia 382

*Quebec (Canada) (possible non-response bias) 534

>>9331776
SMALLER SAMPLE SIZE

>>9331813
Not true

Brazil is such a shithole, you have a European / Jewish upperclass that exploit >100 million mullato / black underclass, look at what McDonald's is doing there the NY times wrote an article about it it's fucking disgusting.

This is why I'm fucking worried about European not having a ethnic identity as strong as the Jews, this is the end result now, a mullato underclass with an average IQ off 90 will be created all over the western world, and we will have a new Brazil.

It's insane how almost no one realizes this.

Am I wrong? Will crisp save us?

>>9331693

>>9331881

So this is "Collaborative Problem Solving Skills"?
>analyses for the first time how well students work together as a group, their attitudes towards collaboration and the influence of factors such as gender, after-school activities and social background.

But do they specify what kind of problems they had to solve(and did they actually manage to solve them), because usually most research involving "gender and social background" tend to be sjw tier and skewed. I can see that UK is in above OECD average, now I had an 'opportunity' to attend school in UK (year 10) and holy shit, their education level is absolute dog shit, its so dumbed down. In fact I would say they care less what you learn about the subject(s) but more about working and participating in groups, its really sjw tier education. No surprise that they have done so well in these scores.

>>9331739

If you remove the worst scoring demographic your score gets better. Wow I think you're onto something

>>9331882
>Israel 469
Why so low? Seems at odds with Nobel Prize statistics etc.

>>9331719
>women
remember that PISA only gives us information about 15-year-old students enrolled in school

>>9331694
Maybe before puberty hits - then all they do is passively-aggressively bring each other down.

>>9331813
>straight up moon people.
It's the cram schools that ensure they either excel, or die of an aneurysm trying.

>>9333448
as you can see here >>9331858 >>9331854 of all the participating countries in PISA 2015, 15-year-olds in Japan are actually one of students that spend the least time studying, and this is including learning time doing homework, in cram schools, with tutors, parents, etc., of course you would know this if at least you'd have dedicated five minutes reading previous posts or reading current literature about education, but hey, I think it's easier and better to dismiss empirical data because it doesn't fit with your preconceived and stereotypical worldview of the world, especially when it comes to East Asian countries

>>9333428
Did you see the kind of backlash that guy received? He might as well have been dealing with 15yr olds, and that's putting it generously.

>>9331851
>His country isn`t in the top left quadrant

as a east asia fag, PISA scores aren't a good gauge of ability or problem solving skills because majority cram the living shit out of textbooks, for the people I meet in school and certain outside of school events memorise formulas and sometimes complete essays examples, they outright suck ass at solving actual/practical problems they face
>be in fake UN conference
>90% of people there have no idea how to create policies using basic logic and ideas
>when giving speeches, they just copy pasta one another's speeches
I have no idea what other countries are like but for east asia, it is just a bunch of brainlets that crammed till they are 'smart' with few exceptions

>>9331714
Ever notice how it's always the males in species that have to compete for female attention?

>>9332968
Thats what all the asian countries are doing. Do you think they let rice farmers from the country side take these tests?

>>9334661
>Le memorization meme

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>>9331693
I highly doubt those New Zealand numbers are accurate. Having lived there the student body are full stop the dumbest people I've ever met no lie, and I was in one of the richest areas (aka not filled with underprivileged brainlet islanders).

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>>9331851
FINLAND STRONK :DDDDD

>>9336039
EBIN :DDD

>>9336003
>tell me, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7MTM4BKZ_E

>>9332194
sample size has nothing to do with performance

>>9331697
Why Russia?

>>9336814
Inspection in hell.
The first cauldron and a lot of devils around it, sinners climb out of it in concert, and devils fight and push them back. Who's there? The Jews, very united people.
The second cauldron and only one devil around it, from time to time someone climbs out of it and the devil pushes him back. Who's there? The Americans, individualists.
The third cauldron and no devils around it. Who's there? The Russians, when somebody tries to climb out of it, others pull him back.

>>9331851
Germs are slackers, ewww.

>>9332994
One word: Arabs.

>>9331693
How does Singapore do it? I thought they are small as fuck

>>9332994
Non-haredi Jews make up only around 65% of Israel population

>>9332994

Finland is literally being carried by girls

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>>9337998
Indubitably there is great science here. Trouble is, I cannot understand a single word. Care to summarise?

>>9331776
2 very good unis (MIT and Havard) influence the quality of local schools

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>>9340331
They are just highlighting the gap between "Hebrew-speakers" and "Arabic speakers" in Israel in the main three domains tested in PISA, which are from right to left in that figure, science literacy, reading literacy and mathematics literacy, for example Hebrew-speakers in Israel scored an average of 507 points in reading literacy which is similar to countries like Macau (509), New Zealand (509), Germany (509) or Poland (506) but Arabic-speakers in Israel scored on average 391 points which is similar to countries like Georgia (401), Peru (398) or Indonesia (397), as a whole, Israel (cells with red background) scored 479 points in reading literacy , which is not statistically significant (cells with a shaded background) from Czech Republic, Croatia, Viet Nam, Austria, Italy, Iceland, Luxembourg, CABA (Argentina) nor Lithuania.

Obviously similar gaps between Hebrew and Arabic speakers in Israel were also found in the Collaborative problem solving assessment

>>9331712
Tunisia was the first country from Africa to take part in PISA doing so in 2003 then we had to wait until PISA 2015 to see another country, Algeria, from that continent joining in and Morocco already joined to have her results published for PISA 2018, other countries that joined for the first time in 2018 are Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei Darussalam, Philippines and Ukraine, other countries still have time to join for PISA 2021 but as far as I know the only other new country that is sure to participate in 2021 is Bhutan

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>>9331731
Yes, PISA is a voluntary assessment, the only countries "bound" to participate are OECD members, but if a country is not equipped to take part in such an international large scale assessment, regions of that country can participate on their own, this has been the case for example with the state of Miranda in Venezuela, the states of Himachal Pradesh and Tamil Nadu in India and the municipality of Shanghai in China in 2009, in the case of countries like China or India because of technical reasons is not yet possible to carry out an assessment like PISA for the whole country but China is expected to participate as a whole unit in PISA 2024 or 2021 and India in 2030 or 2024.

Hong Kong and Macau is a completely different story, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AivEQmfPpk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEayQ0T-qA

>>9331693
how do we know this thing is statistically legit?

for example, in my country there are 3 simultaneous levels of high school, level 1 gets you for example car mechanic / low level IT / administrative, level 3 gets you into university, how do I know they selected all levels equally?

>>9341703
That difference is just enormous! And how finely do you guys slice the onion? I hear some of you still relate families to the original 12 tribes, is that true? And what are the other lines, including the blue and green text?

I am getting spam in Hebrew these days but that does not help me understand anything. At least I can feed that into Google Translate.

>>9331851
How can this be a negative correlation?

>>9343052
The correlation is negative across countries (as you can see onthe figure) but positive within countries (i.e. teens that study more in Korea score higher that teens that do not in Korea, teens that study more in Thailand score higher than those who do not, teens that study more in Uruguay score higher than the ones that study less in Uruguay, etc.) and well if you think about it, is not really that hard to see why, I mean learning is always the product of the quality of learning and the quantity of learning. And besides PISA is designed to test real life skills, what you can do with what you know, as you can see here >>9335994, so things that you do outside of what is traditionally considered learning can also help you maybe to have a higher PISA score.

>>9343007
the blue text in the tables is Hebrew-speakers and the green text is Arabic-speakers

You can take some released questions for the Collaborative Problem Solving assessment here:
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/test/other-languages/xandar-82-languages.htm
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/test/CPS-Xandar-scoring-guide.pdf
And Science Literacy Test Questions:
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/test/other-languages/

>>9340521
>2

>>9336853
seems legit

>>9333434
Girls already hit puberty BEFORE 15.
They hit it at 10-14.

>>9344237
So they are testing the students conflict avoidance and passive aggressiveness?

"We are looking good, Except for economy"

>>9334594
yeah, she was 14 by the way but I don't see how's that relevant to the discussion

>>9331776
Slightly better educated and mostly white.

>>9342127
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisafaq/
http://www.nier.go.jp/kokusai/pisa/video/How_does_PISA_work_640x360.mp4
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/data/2015-technical-report/

>>9334639
german here, without turks we'd be the masters of smart&lazy

>>9343473
And the rest of the lines, are those other countries?

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>>9342015
So yeah, we would have to wait at least until PISA 2024 to see more African countries joining in, the next logical options would be South Africa, Egypt, Ghana or Botswana given that they already have experience participating in other international large-scale assessments, or maybe Senegal or Zambia because they are taking part in PISA-D

>>9332285
>muh race

half the smart people go to law school and public office to exploit the country's bureaucracy

>>9331693
what's wrong with Tunisians?

>>9331714
Earlier physical and neurological maturity. Girls peak early which is why us boys get all flustered around them in envy and a weird feeling in the peepee.