/sci/ - Science & Math

There was a HUGE amount of incest going on, that's why the count is lower.

Yeah, it's kinda gross, but your question's answered,

>>9302912
But many of these people are indians that come from 12-child families

>>9302912
>what is decomposition
>what is cremation

Population statistics are bullshit. There's about 2 million of us at most.

>>9302924
Bones do not decompose anywhere near that quickly. Cremation is not very prevalent

Are you assuming a unique set of parents and grandparents per person?

http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx

>>9302912
Theres a lot of overlap in ancestors

>>9302919
yup.. incest was rampant back in the day...most peoples family tree looked like a stump

>>9302982

A government funded organisation. Okay I believe them.

>>9302912

>>9302930
>Population statistics are bullshit. There's about 2 million of us at most.
-_-

>>9302912

>I have two brothers
> we have six parents

>>9303007

Okay, okay, I don't know the exact number, but I do know 7 billion is bullshit. We are only ever told this number, it's not been independently verified.

>>9302912
Can you post the math, step by step that you used to calculate this? I want a cheap laugh at your expense because I'm in a sad mood right now.

>>9303020

I checked it by counting everybody and it's accurate

Let me frame it this way. Forget about everyone whose lived in the past. In a thousand years there will trillions of people who have lived and died. Assuming even just half of those people receive proper burials, there should be seas of dead people with graveyards taking up huge tracts of land. How many graves are in your town? Not even enough for one generation probably. Shit doesn't add up I'm going crazy

>>9303020
I'm curious about what you are saying. Could you expand on that for me?

>>9303020
I googled a bit to see if there could be truth in what you're saying, but all I could find was Alex Jones tier shit.

>>9303037

Go to a graveyard and look at the dates on the stones, they rarely have really old ones, they just repurpose land and make mass graves of old corpses

>>9303046

I think there's a conspiracy (oh no I said a naughty word, I probably believe in reptilians too, right?) that we are made to feel as insignificant as possible.

This includes lying about the shape of the earth. A globe means there's no more land to explore, whereas a flat plane could have more land to explore. Much easier to control a population in one defined area.

It also includes lying about space, stars and planets. If there are billions and billions of other galaxies then we'll feel powerless.

Where does all our information about these things come from? Government. We are told this from the moment we go to school. No alternative is provided which is required to make informed decisions.

>>9303057
Alex Jones is a joke. He will mix truth and bullshit so that the truth is also considered bullshit because it comes from Alex Jones.

>>9303059
>bones don't rot
what happened to all the bones?

What if.... what if they're all in one place? All the bones are being collected and hidden in a secret place. One day, they'll hide no longer. Will that day come in my lifetime? OH GOD! WHAT IF IT COMES AFTER MY LIFETIME?!? Will I be forced to join them after death??

>>9303077
>This includes lying about the shape of the earth
gud1m8

>It also includes lying about space, stars and planets. If there are billions and billions of other galaxies then we'll feel powerless.
So if planets and galaxies aren't real where's your evidence for that?

>>9303089

Yes I thought it was ridiculous too, but can you explain why the north star is always in the same place despite the earth rotating 1000mph while orbiting the sun at 66000mph? The stars should be different every night.

Observation show us something completetly different. When pointing a camera at the north star, the stars are rotating around us. Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp6UkqIwVfk

>So if planets and galaxies aren't real where's your evidence for that?

The burden of proof is on you. The only proof you have are fake images from NASA. Show me a real photo.

>>9303099
Don't turn this into a flat earth thread. Come on

>>9303099
I recommend CoolHardLogic's series "Testing Flattards."

>>9303102

It's all linked. If they can lie about the shape of the earth then of course they can lie about the population of earth.

>>9303099
Check out r/astrophotography on reddit. It's all amateur stuff. If you weren't a gullible retard you'd buy a telescope yourself to test the dumbass claims yourself.

>>9303059
That actually makes some sense. I need all the autists out there to verify though

>>9303103

That's great but can you explain why the stars remain the same every night despite our flying through space?

>>9303099
Holy fucking shit. The north start is at the tip of our axis, that being why all the other stars rotate around it. I swear, you flat earthers unanimously have a total lack of science education and don't want to work hard when it comes to finding things out. Rather than strive to achieve a level of knowledge that most people don't have, you just want an easy out by thinking you're "in on" something no-one else is. Pick up a fucking book and read it end to end, instead of just getting spoonfed youtube videos of shitty theories from people who never had a physics class.

>>9303109
Maybe because the distance end to end of our orbit (at either end of a hypothetical diameter drawn across the orbit, which isn't actually perfectly circular) is miniscule compared to the distance between our star and others. This is like asking why the moon doesn't move when you walk from one end of the block to the other.

>>9302912
Bad math, anon. Many of us have the same ancestors. Usual estimates are 100 billion for the total number of people who have ever lived. You were off by 7900%.

>>9303106

Haha, do you know how those "photographs" are made? They are made from "data" which is then processed and coloured manually.

Just use your common sense, they look fake as shit.

>>9303121
Dude you can take photos like those yourself.

>>9303112
>>9303115

The axis does not stay in the same place, you are forgetting how the earth is not only spinning, it's orbiting the sun as well. The stars should change drastically as we'll be looking at a different part of space every night.

>>9303126
Other stars are really really really really really far away.

>>9303119
Ya I realize my math was fucked. Oh well I'm done pondering it anyway I'll leave this thread to the flatards I guess

>>9303123

They are not photos, the telescopes provide the data that's stored on memory which is then converted into an image.

>>9303129

So? If I look in one direction at the universe, and then turn 180, I will be looking at a completely different part of the universe, doesn't matter how far away things are.

>>9303142
You're wrong, actually.

>>9303126
The axis does stay in the same place, though it does have a slight wobble, creating the four seasons. The existence of seasons alone immediately disproves flat-earth

>>9303137
So is the illuminati hacking my camera when I take pictures of other galaxies with my telescope?

>>9302993
What, why wouldn't you what could they possibly be lying about

>>9303148

I'd love to know why.

>>9303151

Again, you seem to forget that the earth is moving in multiple ways. Its own rotation would mean the axis doesn't move much, but the earth is orbiting the sun as well, and the sun is orbiting something else too, so it is not staying in the same place in the universe, yet the stars rotate around us every night.

>>9302912
>what is decomposition
the same reason we arent up to are uncles in all kinds of organic mater
thanks Saprotrophs

>>9302912
1- one set of parents may have upwards of 20 children
2- many cultures encourage marriage with close cousins
3- many people marry distant cousins unknowingly
4- some cultures practice sibling marriage
5- cross-generational incest (Your grandfather is your father)
6- Polygyny: one man may take many wives
7- Polyandry: One woman may take many husbands

A- Cremation can reduce bones to small bits of ash
B- Catacombs: after decomposing for a given period, graves are dug and the bones are removed to be stored in a small area, and the grave plots are filled with bodies again

And I’m sure many other explanations as well.

>>9303152

I don't know who it is. All I know is they're the smartest criminals around, which is why I don't know who they are.

>>9303153

Hmmm, maybe everything?

>>9303166
>I don't know who it is. All I know is they're the smartest criminals around, which is why I don't know who they are.

That's one of the most retarded things I've ever read.

>>9303170

Why's that? The earth ain't gonna be run by good people since good people aren't usually attracted to positions of power and control.

Those positions will be taken by the smartest criminals. If you believe the North Korea theatre, then that'd be an example of a country run by criminals who are smarter than the majority of the population (not because their brains are inherently better, but because they have access to the truth, and therefore are able to provide the opposite to the population to maintain control.

>>9303177
Dude. You are literally saying that when I go in my back yard and take a picture of Andromeda with it it magically is fake. Even if I took a photo with a non-digital camera you'd still say it was fake somehow or that I was lying. That's Grade-A dumbfuckery. I seriously doubt you've ever actually even used a telescope.

>>9302912
For most of history, average lifespan was more like 35, what with more than half of all children dying before they reached adulthood, and thus not leaving any descendants.

>>9303185

How are you able to do that every night? It takes six months to move around half of the sun, the earth will be facing a different side of the universe and yet the stars remain in the exact same place in the sky.

Unless you made the telescope yourself you don't know what it's doing.

Have you ever zoomed in on a star that's visible to the naked eye? They're nothing like what we are told: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1I4-OROXZI

>>9303099
Precession of the equinoxes (the earth spins like a gyroscope) means that Polaris hasn't always been the north star. Sometimes there hasn't been any north star.

>>9303197
I'm not even talking about that dumbass claim of yours. I'm talking about you saying galaxies aren't real.

>>9303197
Read this. Maybe you'll learn something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax

>>9302912
>every couple has only one child
What you do, is you keep calculating from this assumption until the mass of bones equals the mass of Earth, and then conclude that this tells us the time since God created Adam, Eve, Bob, Fran, Craig, Gladys, Dennis, Helen...

>>9303197
> the stars remain in the exact same place in the sky.
Relative to each other, yes. Relative to us on earth, no. Orion (to give one example) is in a different part of the sky now than it will be in the spring.

Bones completely decompose in a few years under normal conditions. How often do you go into the forest and stumble on animal bones? And yet how many animals have lived and died there in the past n years? Look along roadsides especially where roadkill is common. I've found a few bones here and there occasionally, but they just don't last that long.

Also the Earth is big. Really big. 100 billion bones is nothing. You could throw away 100 billion bones and it would barely make a dent in the amount of garbage we currently put into landfills every day.

>>9303212
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>>9303201
>Polaris hasn't always been the north star. Sometimes there hasn't been any north star.

The fact is has always been there in the same place in my lifetime is proof enough that the earth is not moving. Show me proof it's been a different star, or never being there.

>>9303202

I'm not trusting any space shit coming from government organisations, which includes galaxies. If you believe that the universe contains billions of galaxies then there's potential of other life and therefore we're not as valuable as we thought, just a product of chance. Much easier to control people who think that.

>>9303220
>which includes galaxies.
Hey dumbfuck did you forgot how I said people take pictures of galaxies all the time with their personal telescopes and you said it was the illuminati hacking cameras?

>>9303206

Hehe, this is how "science" works now. Come up with some convoluted nonsense and give it some important sounding name and now it's fact.

This technique is getting old. Whatever happened to Occam's razor?

>>9302991
>stump
Clever

>>9303228
It's not convoluted at all. You're just a moron.

>>9303228
>Occam's razor?
What's more likely; Hundreds of thousands of scientists are all lying or there is no conspiracy?

Despite the huge numbers, humans actually occupy very little space in terms of their physical bodies, in relation to the size of the earth.

You could actually pack everyone standing inside a 27 km x 27 km square. All 7.3 billion of them.

https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/03/7-3-billion-people-one-building.html

Now, secondly, your maths assumes the human population was larger in the past than it is now in the present, with an unique ancestry to every single living person. In fact the human population is calculated to be much smaller in the past. For example the population of the UK in 1950 was about 50 million. In 1500 it is calculated to have been about 3 million.

So those 50 million people, for the most part, are directly descended from 3 million people, meaning that if you back far enough through the generations you get a lot of inbreeding, although at a remove, such as distant cousins marrying.

What should really concern you is the fact that if you trace your ancestry back through either your paternal or maternal line then 350 million years ago your direct ancestor,, YOUR DIRECT ANCESTOR, PAL, was a FUCKING FISH!

Yeah. That's right. Go through your father's line and eventually your get to a FUCKING FISH swimming around in a Carboniferous sea.

Holy Fuck, doesn't that blow your mind? It should. I mean people get all antsy about us humans being descended from an ape-like common ancestor, but you take evolution to its logical conclusion and we were FUCKING FISH at one time. Fish that passed its sperm on to eggs which gave a new generation of fish and so on down through the vast passage of time until amphibians evolved, then reptiles and then mammals.

Sperm after sperm after sperm. It took a lot of fucking to get you here, young man.
Think about that.

>>9303221

How does the telescope take a picture exactly?

>>9303231

Don't pretend you know what the Wiki article is saying.

>>9303236

Hundreds of thousands? Nowhere near that many.

They aren't lying, they are just given incorrect axioms, from which they build mathematical models which are also incorrect.

Fucking fish, man, it blows my mind.

>>9303250
>How does the telescope take a picture exactly?
You literally attach a camera to a telescope and point it at something. If you have a tracker the telescope collects more light which forms a better image in your camera.

>Don't pretend you know what the Wiki article is saying.
What in the article don't you understand? It really isn't that complicated. Maybe it doesn't have enough pictures for you?

>>9303153
What hasn't the government of any nation not lied about?

>>9303243
If we take evolution to its logical starting point, it won't be fish, because something had to birth that fish, and so on to infinity. Evolution doesn't work logically, I'm sorry.

>>9303263

Attach it how? You're telling me you can't see the galaxy through the telescope itself?

Also if you are somehow miracorously getting clear shots of galaxies millions of miles away, how come there's no clear shot of the moon's surface? That should be easy.

>What in the article don't you understand? It really isn't that complicated. Maybe it doesn't have enough pictures for you?

It's a load of made up bullshit. It's deliberate, because you then assume that only really smart people can understand it, and so it must be true. It's fucking sci-fi.

>>9303243

It gets worse. Much worse than just FUCKING FISH.

Go back 600 million years. You want to know what your DIRECT ANCESTOR was doing? Sitting on a rock somewhere in an ocean, filter feeding and being a FUCKING SPONGE! Pumping out zillions of sperm and hoping, just hoping one of them would find an ova to fertilize.

I mean, Jesus Christ, can you imagine if it was possible to have a snapshot of all your direct paternal ancestors and start flicking through them, going back through the generations. You would sit there for hours going through a photo album that has your immediate ancestors as recognizable humans, then as the years passed, they would morph into fucking FISH, and then into FUCKING SPONGES! Fuck. Just fuck!

>>9303266
Ah shut the fuck up you idiot. Go jerk off on the bible or something.

>>9302919
>>9302991
You're forgetting they didn't exactly have fantastic medicine back then. Most baby were dead on arrival or with their birth year. Then kids die fairly often before they can reproduce, so another chunk taken out. Not denying incest happened, but there's other factors to.

As an FYI, you can watch how the innovation of medicine caused a massive spike in populations in the last 100 or so years. Simply chlorine in the water helps.

>>9303284
>Attach it how? You're telling me you can't see the galaxy through the telescope itself?
You attach the camera lens to the eyepiece. Yes you can see it looking directly through the eyepiece, but it doesn't look nearly as clear as a long exposure shot.

>Also if you are somehow miraculously getting clear shots of galaxies millions of miles away, how come there's no clear shot of the moon's surface? That should be easy.
Galaxies are huge. Andromeda, the closest big galaxy to us, is 6 times larger in the sky than the full moon. You can actually make its shape out if it's dark enough out.

>>9303285

Sponges huh? That's not the logical starting point either. (Hint: There isn't one, you can go on to infinity).

>>9303291

I'm not religious.

Why don't you jerk off onto some science books, they are just as dogmatic as the bible, in fact even worse because it's designed to make you feel mechanical and worthless.

>>9303285
>an ova
an ovum (singular). Ova is the plural form.

Go back to before the sponges, and our ancestors were single-celled creatures.

>>9303307
>It's a load of made up bullshit. It's deliberate, because you then assume that only really smart people can understand it, and so it must be true. It's fucking sci-fi.
Point out what you had a hard time understanding so I have an idea what you're talking about.

>>9303285
I fucking love science!

>>9303285

So, Fucking Sponges. Yeah. Your DIRECT ANCESTOR was one.

I suppose you are feeling all out of sorts now, right son? Its a big thing to come to terms with. But ya know what, it aint NOTHING!

You want to see nothing? Do ya? Okay then, let go back 4.54 BILLION YEARS! Back then life hadn't even begun! There was nothing living. Well FUCK! Where did we all come from then?

We came from bits and pieces of materials, molecules of organic matter, all shifting around in the ancient seas, bumping into each other, forming lipid membranes and then somehow, managing to maintain our integrity until we could make a copy of whatever the fuck we were. There was probably a lot of fucking involved too.

You came from nothing but some shitty stands of random chemicals, son.

>>9303327
>We came from bits and pieces of materials, molecules of organic matter, all shifting around in the ancient seas, bumping into each other, forming lipid membranes and then somehow, managing to maintain our integrity until we could make a copy of whatever the fuck we were. There was probably a lot of fucking involved too.
Those same exact molecules are inside your body right now.

>>9303304

Shut the fuck up, you aint telling the story, asswipe.

>>9303303
>You attach the camera lens to the eyepiece. Yes you can see it looking directly through the eyepiece, but it doesn't look nearly as clear as a long exposure shot.

What direction does this galaxy move?

>Galaxies are huge. Andromeda, the closest big galaxy to us, is 6 times larger in the sky than the full moon. You can actually make its shape out if it's dark enough out.

So why can't you get a close up picture of the moon's surface?

>>9303315

How about every word?

>>9303347
>What direction does this galaxy move?
Same as everything else in the sky.

>So why can't you get a close up picture of the moon's surface?
You can.

>How about every word?
You're a fucking idiot. The article is about how scientists use trigonometry to measure how far away stars are. Not difficult to understand for anyone who made it out of middle school.

>>9303351
>Same as everything else in the sky.

So rotating around us then?

>You can.

Show me.

>You're a fucking idiot. The article is about how scientists use trigonometry to measure how far away stars are. Not difficult to understand for anyone who made it out of middle school.

Uh huh, so in other words you have no idea.

>>9303327

So great grand daddy was a lipid membrane or some shit.

But ya know what? That's good. At least HE WAS SOMETHING!

it gets worse. Much worse.

Ya see, all of this shit happened on Earth. But there was a time, before 4.6 BILLION YEARS ago, when even the FUCKING EARTH didn't exist!

That'' right! And all the fucking and sperming and evolution that DIRECTLY lead up to YOU existing had to originate, somehow, from a time before then!

Well, it appears that the Earth formed from a shit load of gases and rocky particles that lumped together under mutual gravitational atraction as they orbited the proto sun.

So yeah, go back 5 BILLION YEARS and your DIRECT "ANCESTOR" was a collection of space junk orbiting around a nerd sun. One day all those atoms and molecules and tiny bits of rock, would eventually come together and form the ancestor that would DIRECTLY produce you.

You came from something which wasn't even alive! It wasn't even bound together as a single entity! Holy fuck! That was your DIRECT ANCESTOR, splintered through space, under the weak glow of a rapidly forming star. God, I think I am going to have to take a crap now, just thinking about this stuff.

>>9303361

Okay, but you think that's bad? Great grand daddy was a smear of uncollected space detritus? An unconscious, non-living, non-sperming, non-fucking assortment of chemicals drifting in orbit around a ball of incandescent hydrogen that has yet to really start heating things up?

Yeah, its hard to imagine that was your DIRECT ANCESTOR. But it gets worse. Much worse.

>>9303331

So when I fap, I am ejaculating some of my direct ancestors.I bet that pisses them off, if they had a consciousness to know.

This sounds like an exiting new form of instinctual self masturabtion. Am hard thinking about uit.

>>9303366

Much much worse.
But I am not going to continue unless someone goes tells me to jerk off on a science book again.

>>9303384
That's how life started. God made his primordial jizz and mixed it with science and sheeit. Then WE WUZ KANGS

>>9303212

Will the north star always be north? Directly above the north pole? All the time?

If Orion is in a different position, then so must all the other stars, yet the North pole hasn't changed.

>>9303020
it's an estimate based on various population figures from hundreds of countries + UN estimates, you fucking retard

>>9302949
>Cremation is not very prevalent
>not very prevalent
almost all asian nations predominantly cremate their dead, before everyone started following judaism and its derivatives cremation was common everywhere. Pretty much everyone did it, romans too. It's only becoming more popular today due to burials being bullshit scams and waste of land.

>>9303220
>its much easier to control people when they think their existence is due to random chance and there could be potentially billions of other intelligent species out there

I dont know man. The Catholic Church did a really good job of controlling people for most of recent history(if you don’t believe that, tell me what year it is and why), and one of their core teachings is that humans are like super fucking special. Like, the entire world was created just for us to have our way with it special. If you think the world is flat just book a ticket to Alaska, and observe more than 24 hours of uninterrupted daylight. 5 months later you could travel to Antarctica and observe more than 24 hours of uninterrupted daylight. If Antarctica is too hard for you try Ushuaia, you can get about 20 hours of daylight there in the Northern hemispheres winter months. Now, if you can tell me how that is possible on a flat Earth, while all of the countries in between those latitudes experience regular day/night cycles, i will transfer $1000 USD to a paypal account of your choosing. Im not kidding.

Yea the government lies about a lot of shit. They are shady as fuck and a HEALTHY amount of skepticism is a good thing, but i can tell you with absolute certainty the Earth is not flat. The method i listed is just one of many ways you can determine this for yourself without having to rely on outside sources of information. If flying is too conspiracy ridden for you, the route can actually be driven if you are crazy enough.

Gawds, these anti-science threads...

I mean, I hope folks are just trolling - I mean, they *probably* are... But imagine if they aren't.

Have we really reached the point where people just don't trust in any of the knowledge we've gathered over the ages and communicate it through a system that depends on said? Is this the end, not only of science, but of human thought and progress, which has been made possible by the passing down of knowledge through so many generations? If we can no longer build on mountains of information our various institutions have gathered over the millennia, if all human knowledge has to be rebuilt from scratch every generation, because distrust of those institutions and anti-intellectualism has risen to such staggering prominence that we no longer trust anything anyone tells us, regardless of the veracity of their sources, just how fucked are we?

I really hope it's just trolls, but some of these "there are no satellites, galaxies, black holes, the Earth is flat, relativity is a lie, there's only 2 million people, the Earth is only 6,000 years old..." etc. etc. really seem to believe the nonsense they are posting, and rail so harshly against any evidence against their insanity, that it's hard to believe mere trolls would be so persistent. It seems, at least some of them are ardent believers, being aided by trolls - but the ratio of insanity to mischief seems more and more to be leading towards the former, and it scares me to think how quickly that insanity is becoming the norm.

>>9303454
>Pretty much everyone did it, romans too. It's only becoming more popular today due to burials being bullshit scams and waste of land.
Actually, just reading into now, this has already happened. Cremation is the majority in most nations, even those with high kikeism.

Most nonmiddle-eastern asian countries are near 100%. China is 46%, Australia is 70%, New Zealand is 75%, Canada is 70%, Hungary is 60%, France is 45%, Netherlands is 63%, UK is 76%, Nordic countries range from 40-80%, USA is 49%.

>>9302912
I FEEL SO ALONE

>>9302912
>what is cremation

>>9302912
how much fucking have humans done? most sex doesn't even lead to procreation

>>9303137
So is anything produced by a digital camera "fake" then?

>>9303465
I agree that people should be wary of crackpot theories, but also don't blindly accept current scientific dogma as fact either. Black holes for instance only exist as a mathematical model. The Greeks had a mathematical model that "proved" the earth was the center of the universe but obviously that was not based in reality.

>>9303843
>Black holes for instance only exist as a mathematical model
Event horizons are an observed reality, black holes are the only working explanation for them.

Given that the theory that predicted them came about before the event horizons were observed, and that the guy who assembled that theory didn't like them, and thought surely some hereto unknown mechanism must prevent them from happening, and yet those mind boggling, soul sucking black masses are right there, it isn't some odd explanation worked backwards to describe some odd phenomena either.

...and given that said theory has observationally worked out to sixteen decimal places, and has been more rigorously tested than nearly any other physics theory, ever, and everyone with a smartphone depends on it every day, no, it's not merely a "mathematical model" - shit we use depends on it, and its predictive power is unprecedented, proven over and over again.

Not that we have all the details worked out - and the innards of those things just break our minds - but they are definitely there, fucking shit up, and these rules definitely work. If something changes them, it'll be something that still causes the effects to normally hold true - much like Newtonian physics.

>>9303351
Why are you replying to and giving attention to this idiot?

>>9302912

It's ok to marry your cousins once you get past second. The population doesn't double with every generation you go back.

Even though you get errors based on not being able to accurately count everyone today, it's going to be close for the simple reason of taxes
in ancient times taxes were also a thing so keeping track of everyone was worth time and money to do so

it's a good thing to have thunk about, because it actually brings up a lot of topic
however the flat earth troll lil kiddies showed up and had to shit it up for you

people kept track because people are greedy
people keep track now for pretty much the same reason

once you have a reliable written system you're going to also have taxes
so if you get a copy of some info like this you can then make closer approximations of populations before the boom of the numbers of people

not everyone has kids is even more true in the past because of many reasons which are also going to bring you into other topics

really this is a good chance to read a bit about history and do a little math

but we had to have flat earth bible show up
SAD!

Back then (BC) people burned bodies,set them afloat,etc. So most bodies are Ash or in the depths of the sea(also bodies decompose becoming fuel for plants while they're dead)

People have more than one or two kids, you stupid fuck. My grandmother had thirteen. There are more people alive today than have ever died in the whole history of mankind put together

>>9302930
if there are 2 million how come pewdiepie has at least 57 million children subscribers

>>9303099
This place is slowly turning into /x/

>>9304004
>being this retarded

>>9304019
start reporting threads then son
don't feed the trolls
post good threads about non pop-sci shit
shit they are too dumb to understand

this place is easy pickins
specially with the "proove to me your not a retard solve this math problem brah!!!" type shit that gets posted over and over

step yo game up lil poop

>>9302912
There more people alive today than all the people who have died put together.

There is a huge overlap in hereditary. Go back only a few generations and you start sharing ancestors on an ever larger scale. The most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all humans may have live as recent as 3000 years ago. Going back further you soon reach the point where someone is either an ancestor to every living human or to none at all.

>>9303099
Have you ever considered the fact that you might be an idiot?

>>9304020
t. actual moron
lol

>>9304014
Jewish media bots so pdp can control the 700000 childrens minds

>>9303454

Religion doesn't make you feel special either, it's all about worshipping something else that can send you to heaven or hell depending on how much you suck the God off. Yet another form of control.

>book a ticket to Alaska, and observe more than 24 hours of uninterrupted daylight. 5 months later you could travel to Antarctica and observe more than 24 hours of uninterrupted daylight. If Antarctica is too hard for you try Ushuaia, you can get about 20 hours of daylight there in the Northern hemispheres winter months. Now, if you can tell me how that is possible on a flat Earth, while all of the countries in between those latitudes experience regular day/night cycles, i will transfer $1000 USD to a paypal account of your choosing. Im not kidding.

If this was true, it's exactly why you're not allowed to go to Antarctica, because they don't want real scientists (not government "scientsts" going there to see what's going on.

And why doesn't this phenomena happen in Australia and New Zealand considering the earth is supposedly spinning?

Look at the countries that are just above Antarctica, all countries that have been conquered by the British, they've got it on lock down there.

>>9304990
>you're not allowed to go to Antarctica
Not him, but I've been there. Tours available daily:
https://www.adventure-life.com/antarctica

And you do get similar effects at the extreme latitudes in either direction. How many Swede or Norwegian posters do ya gotta hear from? Hell, ya don't even need extremes, just measure the day anywhere in the US, then fly (or fuck, drive) to anywhere in South America, and measure it again. Don't wanna move? Google up some outdoor webcams and do it all from the comfort of your chair.

Granted, looking over your posts (and shit like not government "scientsts" - like they somehow have their own stock), I'm sure you'll chalk it all up to an artificial sky put up by NASA and the illuminati.

>>9305021

Exactly, it's a tour, they only show you what they want to show you. You are not allowed to go there without supervision which is very odd considering it technically doesn't belong to anyone. Can you tell me how are there are laws in Antarctica despite it not having a government?

We don't know what the light is until we can research it for ourselves.

>>9302949
>In humid conditions, bones might be broken down in a matter of a decade or so, but in a dry climate, it could take thousands of years
https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/skeleton-mystery-dont-bones-decay-decompose.html
most places where people choose to live on earth are humid

>>9305031
Why the fuck would they let your dumb ass die in the frozen wastes when they can give you a tour and charge you for it? They would have to spend money as opposed to earning money just to rescue retarded floorjaws like you.

>>9305041
First of all, who's "they"? If no one owns it then they have no jurisdiction over it, and they certainly shouldn't be able to make money from it.

People climb and explore frozen places in other areas of earth all the time, and they die all the time, but they have the freedom to explore. Why's this not the case in Antarctica which isn't claimed by anyone?

>>9305031
They don't stop you from seeing where the damned sun is, I can tell ya that, and that's the only bit that matters in this context.

>Can you tell me how are there are laws in Antarctica despite it not having a government?
Maritime law and treatsie.

>People climb and explore frozen places in other areas of earth all the time, and they die all the time, but they have the freedom to explore. Why's this not the case in Antarctica which isn't claimed by anyone?
Various organizations setup expeditions all the time.

>>9302912
each child has 5 parents

>>9305059
Who is stopping you? Did you get arrested for it? Did you even attempt it?

Nobody will give you a free ride there, nobody will give you a free ship or free tour. You're free to finance your own expedition.

>>9305078
>They don't stop you from seeing where the damned sun is, I can tell ya that, and that's the only bit that matters in this context.

They do stop you from actually going to Antarctica, the picture is the "tour".

>>9305134

You would if you tried. They have military bases there guarding it.

>>9305164
Pic attached

>>9305164
So they created an artificial sky for me to look at in some place where the ocean is frozen over?

All the thousands of folks from all these expeditions from all these nations, private outfits, and universities, are paid to be in on the conspiracy under penalty of death? Nevermind all the folks who have flown over it on a daily basis.

All this from the same government that can't keep its freaking emails private, or even fundamental national secrets like the H-Bomb?

Given all the evidence readily available, it seems the only way one could maintain this conspiracy is through some mass sci-fi brain control device, in which case nothing you can do will disprove it. You could fly there, in your own plane, and go out on new years to see them move the south pole marker, along with the other thousand university students that do that every year, and it still wouldn't be proven to you, as you can claim it's a delusion of your government controlled mind.

>>9305031
>>9305021
Ushuaia has no such laws and the effect can be observed there to a lesser extent. Also Antarctic tours are guided because you could easily fucking die. Not only that but they cant stop you from experiencing the 24 hours of uninterrupted daylight, which is the part that disproves flat earth. GTFO you are making shit up at this point.

>>9302912
8 trillion people haven't existed this is all a simulation that has been for the past 47 years.

You utter numbskull.

>>9305168
>All the thousands of folks from all these expeditions from all these nations, private outfits, and universities, are paid to be in on the conspiracy under penalty of death? Nevermind all the folks who have flown over it on a daily basis.
>All the thousands of folks from all these expeditions from all these nations, private outfits, and universities, are paid to be in on the conspiracy under penalty of death?

No, they just have to be tricked like most people are. No one wants to be considered crazy because that ostracises you from society, so if you believe what the majority of others believe, you can assure yourself you're not crazy as well as not be considered such by everyone else. How do you get everyone to think the same? Government funded education.


>Ushuaia has no such laws and the effect can be observed there to a lesser extent. Also Antarctic tours are guided because you could easily fucking die. Not only that but they cant stop you from experiencing the 24 hours of uninterrupted daylight, which is the part that disproves flat earth. GTFO you are making shit up at this point.

Ushuiaia is in Argentina, not the Antarctic.

If the south pole is getting 24 hour sunlight then the south pole will be pointing directly to the sun (because the earth is spinning on its axis), therefore anything in the northen hemisphere would be in 24 hour darkness, correct?


Is there a video of a plane flying over Antarctica to the other side of the earth?

>>9302912
>Each one of those people are born from 2 parents, 4 grandparents, etc.
Some people have the same parents, your cousins all have the same grand parents.
The lines reduce as you go back.
Also human remains decompose.

>>9302912
>tries to make "conservative" estimate
>wildly overhsoots
population has tremendously increased in the last years, you jackass
either way you don't even have anything to say, just
>hurr aren't there a lot of corpses
they break down

>>9303059
>they rarely have really old ones
Where are you from?
In america you're unlikely to find a burial site more than a few hundred years old anywhere outside of a few spots on the east coast because there just weren't people out there (obviously not counting heathen injuns).
In places in europe and asia, where you have graveyards that could be hundreds of years old with shitloads of people dumped in there over the years. It's common practice there to disinter the oldest remains (or those not being maintained) to make room for newer people.

>>9305315
Yes its in argentina, its just the closest you can get without going on an expedition. And yes Alaska, during this same period of time experiences 24 hours of darkness. This is typical of a GLOBE shaped planet and impossible on a flat plane. Its not 24 hours of darkness in the entire northern hemisphere due to the fact that the south pole is not pointing directly at the sun, its angled at like 23 degrees or something.

>>9305315
>If the south pole is getting 24 hour sunlight then the south pole will be pointing directly to the sun
No, you just have to be on the portion of the planet angled towards the sun for 24 hours, not pointing "directly at it".

Take a ball, take a flashlight, spin said ball at a tilt. You can easily tell that there's a number of positions on the sphere that are always lit, despite not being pointed straight at the light source. As in pic related - this being why the extreme latitudes have very long days and nights at the solstices and equinoxes, and, even where you live, the days and nights vary in length by the season - in opposition to someone on the opposite latitude. If you're in the northern hemisphere, and it's dark at 6pm, ask someone in Australia if it's dark at 6pm.

>Ushuiaia is in Argentina, not the Antarctic.
Ushuiaia, like parts of Alaska. and Scandinavia, and the Antarctic, have periods where it is light or dark for nearly 24 hours, or more, and those periods are seasonal, being opposite for those in opposite latitudes. Isn't even that hard to work this out with a webcam browsing ap.

>Is there a video of a plane flying over Antarctica to the other side of the earth?
Someone makes one every day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qS_ShexHd0

Or, if you want to land:
https://antarctic-logistics.com/trip/south-pole-flights/

>>9303155
When the earth is in opposition to any particular point, the pole points in the same dorection. It does not point in the opposite angle. We do move through the galaxy and the galaxies are moving, which is why the north star has changed over time. This takes thousands of years

>>9305423
>expedition

Who goes on those again?

>>9305429

That's a picture of a 2D circle, we're talking about a 3D globe. Those pictures cannot apply to a globe.

>Someone makes one every day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qS_ShexHd0

They're going past it, not over it.

>>9305445

>This takes thousands of years

That doesn't make any sense, it should be different every night.

>>9305517
>That's a picture of a 2D circle, we're talking about a 3D globe. Those pictures cannot apply to a globe.
You wouldn't be saying that if you actually got out your flashlight and baseball like he said to.

>>9305517
>Those pictures cannot apply to a globe.
Take a ball and a flashlight and see it for yourself.

>>9305519
>>9305533

That's not an accurate experiment, the light will be bouncing back onto the ball from the environment. You'd have to do it in the same conditions that space is supposedly in.

>>9305517
>That's a picture of a 2D circle, we're talking about a 3D globe. Those pictures cannot apply to a globe
Now i know you are trolling. Nobody is stupid enough to not know that a 3d sphere is made of 2d cross sections. Goodbye forever.

>>9302912
>8 trillion people have lived and died
>If the universe is cyclic or infinite, we're all coming back to life after we die

>>9305547
Actually no! the experiment is supposed to demonstrate how a sphere rotated around a tilted axis can have points on it that are illuminated by a point source at all times across a single rotation. All you have to verify is that the light from the flashlight illuminates the south pole across an entire rotation. The light from outside doesn't matter as long as it doesn't prevent you from seeing what parts of the ball are being lit up by the flashlight.
If it's a particularly bright day, you can always do it in a closet, which is close enough to space for the purposes of this demonstration.

>>9305553

It's two images of the same side of the earth, what about the half?

>>9305547
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perturbation_theory

It mostly applies to math but the concept applies here too.

>>9303454
This, both my parents were cremated.

Though the way they do it today is kind of depressing. After the burn the body they take all the bones and stick them in a Blendtec™ Blender.

>>9305429
>>9305517
>>9305553
>That's a picture of a 2D circle, we're talking about a 3D globe. Those pictures cannot apply to a globe.
Seriously, stop. You can only pretend to be retarded so much before you reach the point where it's beyond what even the retarded could come up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLRA87TKXLM

sage

>>9302930
Thank you anon, I've been super depressed lately and hadn't laughed all day but that post made me do a literal spit take with my water

>wow dude those people that can change every digital and analog photo ever taken are all powerful

>These hella #woke people on the internet and showing me #truth are allowed to exist freely in controlled groups that they don't realize to desensitize people to what's really going on while we live in a anime world similar to the hunger games.

>black people have flying pyramids and spirit science woke all day senpai-a-lam

You see what I'm getting at here, right?

What ever truth you feel fits you the most, to give you optimal shine. Go for it little buddy, but be aware enough to realize what it makes you look like.

>>9305517

And if you want to get into taking pills

drop a red pill and find a family in 4chan at least you won't die completely alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvTnOHSX2Y

this many people and not one of them has started a singularity, what are the odds.

>>9305716

How can you believe such a bullshit video when they keep changing the angle of the axis when it's 3D to 2D.

>>9306346

If blindly believing mainstream science is truth to you go right ahead, that's not how real science operates.

>>9303079
THERE IS A SKELLINGTON INSIDE YOU RIGHT NOW

>>9303304
>it's worse because it's designed to make you feel mechanical and worthless.

magical thinkers like you don't deserve naturalism

>>9306824
lol do you even know what naturalism is? The scientific method? Lots of proper scientists have responded to you in this thread and all you've done is prove to the rest of us how moronic conspiracy 'tards are. It's totally pointless even wasting the time to talk to people like you who are incapable of learning. Fake sky, etc. I lived with a person that believed the moon was a hologram, once. I moved out because I don't feel comfortable around insane idiots.

>>9306973

You sound like a religious nut.

>>9306981

I know exactly what the scientific method is, which is why I know what's considered science now is complete conjecture backed up by bullshit equations.

I don't know what the moon and the sun are, but neither do scientists. Can you explain how the moon's "shadow" remains stationary and doesn't change despite orbiting the earth, as well as the earth orbiting the sun, and the sun orbiting the galaxy?

Now that's fucking craziness, and yet supposedly rational people have no problem with it.

What a SMASHED thread.

>>9303099

the stars are FAR AWEH, LADDEH

>>9306875
your brain is inside your skull so...

YOU'RE INSIDE A SKELETON AND A SKELETON IS INSIDE YOU RIGHT NOW!!

>>9303192
Wrong

People lived well beyond 35 for the most part

Infant mortality rates brought the "average" down

>>9302930
>2 millinois people
Keked

>>9303355
Did you not learn trigonometry?

>>9307071
>by bullshit equations
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isnt true.

>>9305547
Do it in a dark room dude.

>>9302912
incest may skew your numbers,
Especially considering there was alot of that at first

>>9303458
easily explained
sun's rotation over the earth contracts and expands throughout the year, passing over the tropic of cancer (summer solstice, smallest circle) and then expanding out to the tropic of capricorn (winter solstice, biggest circle)

it passes over equator twice a year, creating 2 equinoxes - spring and autumn one

as for uninterrupted 24 hours of daylight on Antarctica, we still have yet to see any evidence of this claim

this is explained in globular earth theory with earth following ecliptic path around the sun, while being tilted 23.3 degrees of vertical axis (i will let you calculate yourself how much degrees is that of horizontal) to account for inconsistent sun exposure over different parts of the earth throughout the year

Catholic church has always been in control
(no matter how much people scream "its da jooz")
however teaching people that they are "like super fucking special" as a method of control was a viable tactic until the protestant reformation, when people started getting educated and could read the Bible without paying any indulgence or relying on pope as a mediator between Earth and Heaven
so since illiteracy of the common folk was getting diminished over time, a new tool of manipulation was introduced - disinformation, thus we have globe earth, evolution, infinite universe, aliens, etc

i have no need of your money, so you can keep it for yourself

>>9311504
I see people who believe in the flat earth constantly shirk their own duty to carry the burden of proof. If you think this is the case, and you think we're all being lied to, then please, go prove it. Go find the edge of the world. Better yet, fly all the way around the world (because it's a sphere, so you can do that), and then stop telling people it's not a sphere. You haven't seen evidence of the 24 hours of daylight? Okay, well then go provide the evidence that there are, in fact, not 24 hours of uninterrupted daylight. It's really pretty simple, both sides have to present evidence to give their argument any shred of credibility. You can't simply yell that the opposition's evidence is fake, not provide any tangible evidence of your own (i.e. more tangible than literal supposition), and proclaim victory. Seriously, out of all the flat-earth theorists, I would think y'all could muster a single pilot to just go check if you're right.

>>9303033
accurate dubz checked!

>>9303099
>The burden of proof is on you.
No, the burden of proof is on you. You're the one challenging well-accepted ideas. It isn't everyone else's responsibility to repeatedly prove/defend those ideas whenever someone questions them.

>>9303851

>everyone with a smartphone depends on {...} black hole theory every day

pls explain this
t. brainlet

>>9303126
I don't know if you know, but you totally do see different constellations from the same vantage point on Earth over time. The scale of the distance to the stars you see at night, is completely incomparable with the size of the diameter of our orbit around the sun. Also the direction of the side of the earth facing away from the sun changes very gradually (the dark side (the side experiencing "night") is always the side facing away from the sun, of course), and therefore, the direction that our night sky is facing in space changes.

>>9303126
The lines represent the direction of the frame of the sky in space. This is, of course, somewhat of a simplification. I think what's going on here is a misunderstanding of the scale of things. As others have noted, the orientation of stars in the sky does change and has changed, but it is perhaps more gradual than you would expect if you don't have a sufficient understanding of how and why it is changing. And, speed means less and less the larger the scale of the bodies in question. The earth is orbiting the sun quite fast, and spinning quite fast, and our solar system is traveling around the galaxy, and all that jazz, but the scale of these things is just inconceivable, so our perspective of them is going to change minimally over the time-frames that are relevant to us.

>>9302919
It's not that siblings are fucking each other, it's more that any 2 people are distantly related. I started using Geni, and it can connect me to virtually any other person who's done their geneology. I would imagine that for a small country like the Netherlands most natives are 10th cousins or closer.
Besides, the number of cousins in each generation increases exponentially and the risk in procreating decreases accordingly. I've heard that it's statistically perfectly safe to have kids with your 3rd cousin because there's so little shared genetic material.

>>9311615
>>9311624

If this was true, then after 6 months we'll be on the other side of the sun, therefore looking out at the opposite side of the universe, and so the constellations should be completely different. Why aren't they?

>>9303284
Wow. Genuine dumb. What are you doing here?

>>9311709
...they are?

https://www.windows2universe.org/the_universe/Constellations/constellations5.html

>If you look at the night sky different times of the year you see different constellations. This change is due to the motion of the Earth in its orbit around the Sun. Each day a few stars are visible in the east that were not visible the night before. If you were to measure how much the sky "shifted" from one day to the next you would discover that it "shifts" approximately one degree per day. This should not be surprising because, if you think about it there are 365 days per year and 360 degrees in a circle. Anyway, the sky doesn't shift, it is another case of apparent motion. The "shift" of the sky is really the motion of the earth around the sun.

>>9311709
They are. Some constellations are only visible for some parts of the year. Others are in locations relative to the earth and its orbit that render them almost always visible, but in different orientations or parts of the sky than at other points during the year. Note how the north star is always pretty much north (in any time-scale relevant to our lifetime). It would then stand to reason that other notable/recognizable features of the night sky would be more constant than others in position and visibility. Think about standing in a room (for the sake of simplicity, assume that you're standing upright in relation to the ground, in the center of the room). Spin around. You can only be looking in any one direction at a time, but you can always see the ceiling and the floor, right? Gradually begin tilting your head back, and observe how, as the point you're looking at grows closer to the center of the ceiling, features become more constantly visible regardless of your orientation. So, assuming you have one of these stupid shitty popcorn texture ceilings, look at how a certain 'constellation' of them, adjacent to but not directly in the center, is still visible (but backwards), if you stand, looking directly upwards, first with your back towards one wall, and then with your back towards the opposite wall.

>>9303077
>(oh no I said a naughty word, I probably believe in reptilians too, right?
>Proceeds to suggest the Earth is a potentially limitless flat plane

>>9308288
You said exactly what he said.

>>9311941
some people just gotta display the one thing they know

>>9311598
Black holes are predicted by the theory of relativity. GPS in a smartphone has to take relativity in to account to be really accurate, and it is accurate, which means the theory of relativity has scientific merit, which means black holes are possible.

>>9303490
I would not feel so alone.

Everybody must get stoned.

This is clearly a troll you idiots

>>9311820

Prove it.

>>9311823
>Some constellations are only visible for some parts of the year.

Which ones?

Your room example doesn't factor in that we can see omnidirectionally. That accounts for stars "above" us, but "above" for one person on earth is the opposite to "above" to someone else on earth, depending on where you are on the sphere.

>>9311870

But it's perfectly okay for scientists to say that the universe could be infinite, or that there could be infinite parallel universes etc...

>>9304019
as someone just coming to /sci/ for the first time to take a break from /x/

You are nowhere near close the deluded savagery that goes on there

>>9303099
dude my question to you,

if theoretically you were correct, what do now?

>>9311598
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html

TL;DR: GPS satellites are fast enough and far enough away, that one has to use relativistic calculations to compensate for the time dilation difference between the ground receivers and the satellites, or you lose thousands of miles a day. This calculation has to be accurate to within sixteen decimal places.

That same theory predicted the existence of the black holes we later observed in the universe, despite the fact that its founder had hoped singularities weren't a thing, as singularities are just ugly, mathematically. (Albeit, I suppose, we've only really observationally confirmed the existence of massively gravitational event horizons, since they hide those singularities.)

You can pretty much ignore all this if you think there's a global Chinese conspiracy to fool us into thinking there is a universe out there, and the sky is merely an artificial creation of the NASA-illuminati masterminds designed to keep us ignorant as to the flatness of the Earth and the cosmically geocentric nature of reality... Or something.

I realize this thread is 99% trolls, but it's still scary to think some people actually believe this sorta thing. Then again, Time Cube.

>>9311994
"Above" is roughly analogous to north, in my example, and you would be analogous to the earth itself. It's necessary to establish a reference orientation, and it is easiest to assume that "up" and "down" refer to the north and south pole of the earth.The frame of view of the night sky is obviously independent of the way you tilt your head, I meant to demonstrate that the field available for us to see with the earth in a given position in its orbit, slowly changes.

>>9311994
>But it's perfectly okay for scientists to say that the universe could be infinite, or that there could be infinite parallel universes etc...
Yes, because there isn't overwhelming evidence that those things aren't true.

>>9312097
Another diagram. I'm just drawing these up on paint by the way, that's why they're not very good. Also, don't muddy the idea of "scientists" and what "scientists" are doing. They're saying a lot of different things, because that's how you find the right answers, you give lots of potential answers and subject them to scrutiny. The concepts of infinite space and infinite parallel universes have been simplified and appropriated by common people, and they likely include a lot of very difficult, very abstract concepts, that I'd venture to guess you aren't ready to tangle with (no offense. I'm not claiming I'm readily able to understand all of these concepts either). If you want to read into it, space, as a quantifiable thing, or medium, is theorized by some to be a characteristic or feature provided by the universe, as is time (rendering the usual arguments about what was "before" the universe kind of pointless), and both are probably "made" of something. Even empty space has some sort of composition.

>>9312126
>>9312097
>>9311624
>>9311615
Check these

>>9302930
I just spit tea on my monitor

>>9302912
The earth can take up a lot of shit. And we're not counting the seas yet.