/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9221129
Evolution doesn't have steps.

>>9221137
Not my point. I wanted to know /sci/'s opinion on transhumanism or whatever it's called.

>>9221156
My opinion is that humanity will fractionalize into various extremist tribes and wipe each other out.

>>9221156
You asked when we're going to make the next step in evolution. The fact evolution doesn't have steps is pretty relevant to a question about the next step evolution doesn't actually have.

>>9221129
Everyone is using smartphones now. A gadget that didn't existed 40 years ago.

There are no need to implant things in the body. Our body reject most metals except the expensive titanium. Implants are harmful to our body.

Our evolution will be primarily biologic. Our offspring will have the qualities we have & we value when seeking a Wife.

For a Smarter offspring seek a Smarter Wife.
For a Beautiful offspring seek a Beautiful Wife.
For a Mighty offspring seek a Mighty *Father in Law*

But many Normies will have a Dumber offspring since they seek a Dumb Wife.

>>9221156
Transhumanists seem to overestimate modern science, technology can improve and allow for, say, synthetic limbs, but uploading minds is such a complex task I sincerely doubt humanity will ever be able to achieve it.

>>9221156
>Not my point.

Try saying what you mean and mean what you say, instead of something else.

>>9221158
Humanity would need to come together first for that to even happen.

>>9221167
It's already happening, it's been happening for thousands of years. The tribes have nukes now though.

>>9221160
If we were to achieve immortality, how would you call it? For me it seems like a big step forward.
>>9221158
>the west will fractionalize into various extremist tribes and wipe each other out.
Fixed it for you
>>9221162
Well it doesn't have to be GiTS-tier. How about cloning organs etc. etc.? I am just talking about achieving immortality and altering/upgrading the body.
>>9221165
Maybe, but what about the rest of the body?

>>9221170
>If we were to achieve immortality, how would you call it?
I would call it immortality. Why are you even bringing up evolution? That wouldn't really be a natural selection mediated event.

>>9221170
It depends, curing cancer could be done before the dawn of this century, and immortality should follow.

>>9221170
>Well it doesn't have to be GiTS-tier. How about cloning organs etc. etc.? I am just talking about achieving immortality and altering/upgrading the body.

Cloning Organs is quite feasible (achievable attainable / viable/ realistic).

It's possible for every organ except the Brain.

Cloning Brain Memory is almost impossible. Even if possible the Clone will not be you. You will die, a clone isn't you.

>>9221162
gtfo you obsolete meatbag.

>>9221170
>How about cloning organs etc. etc.?
By Stem Cells.

You can also inject Stem Cells to regenerate the entire body including the Brain.

So Yes, It's possible to extend the life forever

By cloning Stem Cells & injecting in your body for regeneration.

>>9221129
It's not feasible. Ignoring the chemical aspects (food processing, metabolism, etc) most of the frequencies generated when you put current through conductive metals, AC or DC, act on cell membranes and are very close to the natural resonant frequencies in the intercellular space. ie, it screws up electron transport, proper response to receptor binding, and ion channel function. Remember, the phospholipid bilayer has many charged proteins in and through it, and it's coated with glycoproteins with charged sialic acid terminals. The body is primarily an electrical system, the brain especially. You'd need shielding and something that allows current and radiation out similar to the skull. Even then.

I became infatuated with this idea as well, watched a lot of stuff like Ghost in the Shell, Lain, Texhnolyze, etc. I've got trigeminal neuralgia and a fucked up digestive system, and replacing the body seemed appealing. But there are better approaches, and I doubt it'll ever come about. We're already made of programmable, self replicating machinery. At the very least a superior replacement should be capable of self maintenance.

>>9221193
eventually you'll hit the limit of information your brain can store.

they really need to make a story about immortals that suffer from having full brains.

>>9221162
Chad Übermensch > > > Virgin Trans Human

>>9221184
Disabled Peoples' Lives suck and You know that

>>9221197
>eventually you'll hit the limit of information your brain can store.
Immortality alone wouldn't do that to you. You forget things all the time and would continue to forget things while being immortal unless you're assuming there's some other separate procedure you went through to not forget anything anymore.

>>9221197
>eventually you'll hit the limit of information your brain can store.

There are no need to hoard useless trivia in your biological Brain since we can already access easily a lot of information by internet without implants.

You can simply forget/delete irrelevant information/knowledge inside your Brain. Just like in the HD of your computer.

Keep just the important & relevant knowledge in your Brain.

>>9221197
>they really need to make a story about immortals that suffer from having full brains.
Been done a number of times. There was also a Star Trek episode centered around that. The brain being a finite state machine, and eventually iterating to a point where novelty and enjoyment was mechanically impossible. If I recall, the primary cause of death for these beings was suicide. They just became tired. Similar stories have been written about civilzations that solved all of their problems, eliminated all conflict, provided for all of their needs, and then fizzled out in apathy.

>>9221200
it's only going to get better. they have wired robot arms to primate brains. the primates eventually figure out how to think the arm into moving and feeding themselves.

>>9221206
>they really need to make a story about immortals that suffer from having full brains.

Interestingly seems that nobody made a Fantasy Movie / Anime about that

Where the someone suffer from having full brains, despite living for hundreds of years.

Elves, Vampires, Gods, Angels, Wizards & other Mythological Beings should suffer from Full Brains.

>>9221217
>Elves, Vampires, Gods, Angels, Wizards & other Mythological Beings should suffer from Full Brains.
No they shouldn't. Where are you getting this idea that none of these creatures ever forget things?

>>9221169
The point is that humanity has always been fractionalized as tribes and has never come together in the first place.

>>9221206
>they really need to make a story about immortals that suffer from having full brains.

Interestingly I don't know any Fantasy Movie / Anime about that.

Elves, Vampires, Gods, Angels, Wizards & other Mythological Beings should suffer from Full Brains.

Because they live for hundreds of years

>>9221218
Where they store the Memory? Magical Hard Drives? Since they are based on us Humans They should have a limited Brain too.

>>9221221
>Interestingly I don't know any Fantasy Movie / Anime about that.
Texhnolyze is an anime that has the lattermost as part of it.

>>9221222 >>9221221 >>9221218
Ghost in Shell level Cyborgs or Fantasy Mythological Beings don't exist.

However they are a source of Inspiration of what we want to become:

Living hundred of years
>>9221200 as a Übermensch
>>9221129 or a Cyborg

Genyse is active

>>9221229
>Texhnolyze is an anime that has the lattermost as part of it.
This Anime looks interesting. I'll watch it later.

>>9221196
>But there are better approaches, and I doubt it'll ever come about.
You mean I will never be turbo chad with a titanium exoskeleton fucking cyborg stacy in our virtual reality while driving 200mph on my hybrid liter bike exploring every inch of the world, studying philosophy for hundreds of years and taking up every hobby there is? You are crushing my dreams famalam :(

By the time prosthetic hands are able to do everything a regular hand can we'll already have cloned limbs.

>>9221238
Endoskeleton*

>>9221293
Cybernetic prosthesis will be cheaper and faster to fix people. Since you can mass produce generic parts and store them. Then a few surgeries to attach and physical therapy.

Organics have to be slowly grown on demand. Painstaking grafting. Anti rejection drugs.

>>9221236
It's damn good. I can't seem to find a decent quality version of it though.

>>9221407
The US raws are the best version (soft telecine, japanese are hard). Should be fine just watching with no further processing.

In reality though, the US version is a mix of hard and soft telecine, and the pattern changes dynamically (aligned to scene cuts). I was making a release a number of years ago, and fixed a lot of problems, but never finished. Don't have the hardware or will to do it the way I want to right now, though. VFR was also a pain at the time, as rescuing some orphaned fields would require that, along with the endings which are interlaced credits on a progressive background. Etc.

Regardless, US raws are fine. They should be on nyaa. I might make a release eventually, but I can't imagine running QTGMC or a bunch of lossless encodes on this shitty laptop.

>>9221429
Thank you for the effort and know that it does not go unnoticed.
I'll grab the US raws and see if it's improved from my version.

>>9221137
Everything has steps.

>>9221162
Biologically we're the same we were 4000 years ago. The only thing that's changed is our ability to store vast amounts of information in books and the ability to distill all the useful information into something a child can easily access.

>Everyone is using smartphones now. A gadget that didn't existed 40 years ago.
EXACTLY THIS!! Cellphones connected to the internet are the next evolutionary step in what's made mankind grow so much in the past 4000 years.

It's grown so much a cell phone on the internet is almost like a SECOND BRAIN!

So how do we improve on this second brain. What if we had a device like an EEG and used machine learning algorithms along with personal training to be able to request information instantly with a single thought, and then a google glass type display to instantly show you the information. How fast could the brain surf the web when unhampered by a mouse and keyboard? I believe it would be VERY simple to make this system of computer aided information recall/requesting faster than our ability to remember some of our own memories. I say some because there are always somethings that are hard to recall and take time to pluck out of your brain. So the real challenge, or techno singularity time, would be when this assisted recall device (I'm naming it) works faster than your ability to recall any and all your memories.

When that happens it'll reshape the human condition.

>>9221509
>It's grown so much a cell phone on the internet is almost like a SECOND BRAIN!
But I hope that the Plug/Jacks that will connect the gadgets with our brain won't change so fast like the Apple Products.
I don't wanna need to buy extra dongles.

>>9221509
Too bad cell phones cause brain damage. Woops!
>>9221331

>>9221529
And to the sources I mentioned:
Everything by W.R. Adey or S. Bawin, including "Nonlinear Electrodynamics in Biological Systems", 1984.

A few examples:
Adey 1981 - Tissue Interactions With Nonionizing Electromagnetic Fields
Adey 1988 - Effects of Microwaves on Cells and Molecules
Adey 1990 - Joint Actions of Environmental Nonionizing Electromagnetic Fields and Chemical Pollution in Cancer Promotion
Adey 1993 - Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields
Bawin 1973 - EFFECTS OF MODULATED VERY HIGH FREQUENCY FIELDS ON SPECIFIC BRAIN RHYTHMS IN CATS
Bawin 1975 - EFFECTS OF MODULATED VHF FIELDS ON THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM
Bawin 1976 - Sensitivity of calcium binding in cerebral tissue to weak environmental electric fields oscillating at low frequency
Bawin 1978 - Ionic factors in release of Ca2+ from chicken cerebral tissue by electromagnetic fields
Bawin 1996 - Extremely-Low-Frequency Magnetic Fields Disrupt Rhythmic Slow Activity in Rat Hippocampal Slices

Raines 1981 "ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD INTERACTIONS WITH THE HUMAN BODY: OBSERVED EFFECTS AND THEORIES" (NASA)

That provides a solid foundation, more modern and specific stuff is readily available. You can start with:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891061815000599?via%3Dihub
And start following citations. There's a lot out there showing calcium channel activation, single and double strand breaks, cell death in the hippocampus, dentate gyrus, and cerebellum, albumin staining from blood brain barrier leakage, and altered dendritic morphology with reduced arborization in pyramidal neurons. Etc.

>>9221565
There is also the NMRI bibliography of US and Soviet literature compiled by Zorach Glaser. Some of this research is easy to find, some of it isn't.

Possibly never. Artificial limbs have one major defect: they can't repair themselves. Now, this is not a problem if we're talking about arms/legs prosthetics; internal organs, though, or articulations are completely another matter (you would have to undergo dangerous surgical operations every few years only to maintain them).
Cellular regeneration is the long-term future, my friend

>>9221589
Well...... There's also mounting, rejection, power sources, etc. Which are all major defects, and do not have proper solutions on the horizon.

Deus Ex - Human Revolution actually handled this quite well. Jensen's arms are crudely cabled and bolted to his mid-collarbone in a lot of the concept art. Shit just can't be connected well enough and sustain the same directional forces that actual limbs can. Not to mention having very different specific gravity.

>>9221129
Lol, we're actively trying to kill off our most advanced race, why would you think evolution is due to progress?

>>9221162
Or just stop reproducing and have a machine that creates new humans from base DNA to prevent genetic fuck ups.

I'm already (t)here.

>>9221565
>>9221529
I just got an iphone SE fml
...so should I eliminate electronics from my bedroom?

This is who you're talking to when you respond to a post talking about how microwave pulses/emf/rf/vlf/whatever is bad for you and will wreck your life through vgccs. The following posts outline one man's mental illness and egotistical delusions. It's pointless to argue with him.

>>/sci/thread/S9039115#p9043898
He admits he's dumb as a box of rocks.

>>/sci/thread/S8205938#p8206096
Autistic textwall about how he's a clever superhuman with undiagnosed MS and self diagnosed bipolar and an insane skeleton


>>/sci/thread/S9072343#p9072588
Goes on about smart meters, the evils of processed food, and how he's so unique among sheep.

>>/sci/thread/S7644877#p7651596

>>/sci/thread/S7644877#p7650927

>>/sci/thread/S6862166#p6862235
Gets told he's nuts by a doctor

>>/sci/thread/S8800448#p8806774
This speaks for itself

>>/sci/thread/S8369061#p8369080
I'm a special warrior pls stroke my ego

>>/sci/thread/S8339168#p8339266
This entire thread is him wigging out about how he's totally not insane and the evils of shrinks.

>>/sci/thread/S8322068#p8322156
Him going on about his genius again.

>>/sci/thread/S8261316#p8261569
>>/sci/thread/S8261316#p8261598
Protip: Don't constantly call people myopic if you want to remain anon.
Muh jaw problems muh nerve probems

>>/sci/thread/S8230504#p8245636
Spends half a thread freaking out about MUH JAW MUH SUPER HEALING MUH LOGIC and CT scans, plus some of his wacky medical adventures.

>>/sci/thread/S8219875#p8220852
He's some sort of genius philosopher.

>>/sci/thread/S8208158#p8208194
Muh logical framework cures acne

>>9221156
demented meme that will lead to our enslavement, it be better if we became enlightened but all the fedoralords deny consciousness and have hard-ons for robots wafius so that will never happen

>>/sci/thread/S7530472#p7532449
>Junction that filters pain signals
Ayy lmao we got a regular JC Denton here

>>/sci/thread/S7412900#p7419557
Turns out he's a dumb tweaker who thinks he's smarter than any doctor.

>>9221221
>Interestingly I don't know any Fantasy Movie / Anime about that.
This is basically the main point of the Silmarillion. No, it's not exactly "full brain," but Tolkien has his own, definite ideas about the implications of immortality on peoples' lives and motives.

>>9221129
Typical 'I fucking love science' thread.

I just want to cut the brain out of my body while it's still young and at its peak and transplant it into a robot that will keep it there forever so I can keep learning. It's a scary thought that in 10 years my brain just won't learn as good as it does now, and even worse, some day my body stops working while my brain could keep going.
Organics suck, I just want to keep thinking forever, is that too much to ask for?

>>9221129
I'm working on it nigga. Pic related, I work with these autistic fucks

>>9221197
Well The Last Question by Issac Asimov is pretty much right up your alley. Awesome short story.

>>9221129
It's already been made : autism

>>9222485
THIS!!! PLESE I JUST WANNA LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>9221238
Are you me ddesu?

>>9221183
> Cloning Brain Memory is almost impossible.
Yeah? Any formal proof of that?

> Even if possible the Clone will not be you.
I'd argue that it would be me for all intents and purposes. If you disagree, then I can say that you are not the same person as you from month ago, that person is ded.

I've been doing some amateur thinking about how brain memory cloning could be done. First I considered just performing a scan at microscopic or even quantum level and just recreating the structure. However observer effect will likely complicate this shit.

Other than just memory cloning there's also personality cloning/digitization, the real topic of this thread. The difference is that it affects how you act, not just what you know, reflexes, instincts, inhibitions and all that shit. So, my idea is what if we use Machine Learning. Create an AI agent that "shadows" a person in his daily life, learning about how he acts in different situations and refining the model, till its behaviour is indistinguishable from the original. Now that's what I would call immortality.

>>9221193
One problem: How do you make stem cells regenerate the exact same stuff that was there before and not some random shit. You know how cancer works?

>>9222798
not him but that's not the difficult part actually. A particular serum containing specific transcription factors used to induce a specific cell type. Your comment on cancer makes me think you have no idea what you're talking about

>>9221206
All I can say those pussies didn't deserve that immortality. If I had it, I'd find new and new ways to keep myself entertained.

>>9221589
I know of a solution.

>>9221637
Progress needs adversity and all that shit?

>>9221708
Ye, cause that worked out sooo well for krypton...

>>9222403
Nice fanfic, bro.

>>9222794
>Robot shadows you throughout life, mimicking your actions until its indistinguishable with you
>You die
>You have no idea if the plan worked because you're dead now
Bulletproof

>>9222485
There's a guy who put a chicken heart in a jar, and kept it alive for 40 years by changing out the fluid every single day. The chicken heart literally out lived him, and the day after he died they discontinued his experiment. It could have lived forever. If you think about it it makes sense. The human body is multiple organs working in unison. If a single organ fails it could be the end of you. If you eliminate all organs except the brain, then all you need to worry about it keeping a single organ alive and healthy. Should be easy, right?

I want to be a brain in a jar that lives forever. Just give me an internet connection and I'll be all set, some VR environment to live in, and a robotic arm attached to a RC car to feed myself and change out my brain juice with.

>>9222439

Huh. I thought the whole point of silmarillion was "muh worldbuilding".

>>9222485
I'm with you bro. If there's one thing worth living for is to keep learning new stuff.

>>9222871
Anybody can read it and see it's the same guy.

>>9222875
I still don't understand, do you? The robot becomes you. What you really are isn't some specific collection of particles. It's their configuration, a pattern.

Tomorrow

>>9222894
You'd still need someone to change water in the jar regularly.

>>9222919
That's what the robot is for. Just remote control it. Or you could have a large tank of the stuff with an automated system to change it out. Or both, redundancy is good when it comes to life support.

>>9222926
shit, nice idea

>>9222916
Jesus christ you are dense. A circuit board cannot have the same processes as a brain, regardless of how powerful it is. (Basic computer science)

And observing the output of a function over a limited domain does not necessarily mean you can recreate the original function (Basic high school math)

In short >>>/global/rules/2

>>9222896
Nope, not at all. Tolkien was deeply interested in immortality.

>>9222937

>REEEEEEEEEEEE

If you can't tell the difference, then it doesn't matter.

>>9222937
>A circuit board cannot have the same processes as a brain, regardless of how powerful it is. (Basic computer science)
That's not computer science, it's an arbitrary bullshit claim based on nothing at all.

>>9222992
The difference between what exactly? I have a feeling you're just shitposting to save face and actually have no substantial criticism.

>>9222937
>A circuit board cannot have the same processes as a brain, regardless of how powerful it is. (Basic computer science)

Do you even ANN, bro?

>>9223009
Sure it's similar. So are apples and oranges.

>>9222937

Hmm. So I guess EPFL is full of quacks and lunatics then.

>>9223012
Meh, you get the same juice from both anyway. Well, except the latter have a bit less apple concentration.

>>9223009
You're about to get replied to by a thousand searle shitposters crying "that's not the same thing!"

>>9223018
How do we get from "Meh" to "The robot becomes you"?

>>9223019

Yeah, well abacus and calclulator.exe are not the same thing either, but guess what?
IT.
Does.
Not.
Matter.

>>9223023
Idk, you're the one who sets arbitrary goals.

It'll come when it comes; It's like a zen process. Without allowing the water to fall, there is no waterfall.

No, I am not a robot. Yet.

>>9223012
The fact it works is pretty decent evidence it's the same general concept. What are the chances a virtual structure that models the high level notion of weighted connections between neurons would let you build working image recognition and self-driving cars without that model having something to do with actual brain function?

>>9223026
>>9223030
>What are the chances a virtual structure that models the high level notion of weighted connections between neurons would let you build working image recognition and self-driving cars without that model having something to do with actual brain function?
English, please. And no, neural nets are not star trek tier technology.

>>9223035
I'm the guy who wrote the second post you cited. Not sure what's non-English about it.
Also I didn't say it was Star Trek tier. Image recognition and self-driving cars exist right now and work using backprop nets.

>>9223035
Star trek is sci-fi. Sure, it has predicted/inspired some recent tech advancements, but that doesn't mean that all cool new tech is going to be like it.

>>9222507
interested anon here. Could you elaborate on your pic?

>>9223051
Pic related.

>>9221129
I'm interested in dedicating my life for this cause, but what field does /sci/ think is the best candidate for transhumanism?

>>9223060
bitch please, all fields are still not advanced enough, so choose one where you think you can contribute the most.

>>9221129
never

>>9223051
It's a micro electrode array with ~1 million neurons grown from human stem cells.
We use the electrodes to both measure activity, and to interact using electrical stimuli. Personally i'm attempting to use it as a computational element to create a bona fide cyborg.

>>9223737
Is there anything you retards won't blame jews for

>>9223826
>implying the jews aren't the ones fking the system
go home jew

>>9223826
lurk more

>>9223826

>>9223843
nice try schlomo

>>9223737
that depressed looking black guy on the left though

>>9223843
If Mark Zuckerburg actually tries running for president then Im unironically voting for Trump. The day a fucking jew worms his way into the white house is the day I denounce my american citizenship.

>>9224220
>If Mark Zuckerburg actually tries running for president

He will and try as a Democrat... BUT he will fail, because he is white, male, heterosexual, and successfully rich. Everything modern Democrats despise.

>>9224231
He was also a proud atheist, until he conveniently renounced it hoping to look more appealing to Americans.
Its so transparent and fake, it makes me sick.

>>9221156
>Transhumanism
Hopeless meme that will first create an even bigger divide between rich and poor. Then will allow companies to own parts of your body (in a similar way of how companies own crops or software even if it has brought). Then will make existence tribial but we would be too afraid to die so we would seclude ourselves to hedonistic VR worlds ammounting to nothing.
A mature species would use augmentation wisley and sparingly, being cautions of any existential implications it may bring
>tl;dr: robotic arm for disable people to be able to work and have a (close to) normal life = good. Robotic heart, liver, stomach, auto defribilizer, insulin injector and embedded loli rape apparatus to allow Rockefeller to live for thousands of years from a hospital bed = not good

Anyways, that will never happen. Apotheosis shall do its thing and we will be back to stones and sticks in no time

>>9221200
Fucking retard, meat is weak. Genetic engineering is a dead end and as soon as technology allows it the future will be GiTS style transhumanist

gets confirm it

screencap this

>>9224231
Normies like Science!™. Manny will vote for him as the Musk + Sanders he would pose himself as

>>9224350

Zuck is so much less than Musk!

Zuck < < < < Musk

>>9224358
Do you think that Normies will know that? Zuck wll post himself as the vanguard of the digital age and try to get into the PopScience hype train

Wow Anon, did comparing your idol to a jew was really that offensive? Gee
>>>/reddit/r/Futurology

>>9221129
when eugenics is implemented

>>9222403
It's pointless to argue because you're arguing against the truth.

>>9224660
And further, I don't know why you need non-ionizing radiation at non-thermal levels to be safe, but it's a question you should certainly ask yourself, as should anyone reading your posts.

Cultural engineering relies on perceived consensus and behavioral norms. After inducing this sense of tribalism, it can be leveraged to create and reinforce forms of "taboo", which are part of how overall population flux can be controlled and constrained. This is what happened with microwave field safety, and part of what I've been trying to unravel is the underlying processes that created our present reality. How did a rapidly expanding field get stripped of funding and eventually branded as "unscientific". It really picked up sometime in the mid nineties, but I still don't understand. Even the common statement "cell phones cause cancer" is part of it. It's a distraction that misframes and artificially narrows the subject. It's also quite clear that the notion that ELF fields can only act via induction, and higher fields via heating, has been used heavily despite being repeatedly investigated and found to be false as far back as the mid 70's. Effects are seen with tissue temperature increases below 0.1C, and there is no evidence nor model to support a claim of local hotspots. An amusing state of affairs considering how a lot of sort's denial hinges on the notion that theory invalidates observation.

It's important to understand the history here. There are numerous people who worked on this from the 60's to early 2000's, that's a lot of time to think. Most of the funding came from the department of energy, national academy of sciences, and various local universities (UCLA being the primary). It's not a new field nor new ideas. At this point it's just details.
[...]

>>9224749
[...]
An excerpt from W.R. Adey's 1990 paper .

"
Do these EM fields constitute a health hazard? Based on available epidemiological data and laboratory studies, it has become increasingly clear that these fields acting either alone or in conjunction with chemicals that occur as environmental pollutants may constitute a potential health hazard. Much has been accomplished in the past decade in establishing a firm base of new knowledge, despite a grave and growing lack of research funds and also entrenched and often self-serving attitudes among influential groups who have denied the possibility of adverse effects, based simply on their a priori positions.

Potential hazards of these fields relate to athermal tissue interactions where tissue heating is not the significant factor in the observed effects. By definition, ionizing radiation is not involved. From a public health aspect, we should recognize at the outset the principal nay-sayers against the potential health hazards of athermal EM fields.

Engineers have taken the view that if it cannot fry the subject, it cannot hurt him. Physiologists have maintained that equilibrium phenomena, which they have believed to be the prime determinants of excitation at cell membranes, would not be influenced by such weak fields and therefore that they are of no physiological significance. Physicists not sufficiently informed in nonequilibrium long-range interactions and the vast burgeoning of new knowledge in quantum mechanics in their chosen field have stoutly maintained that these fields are too weak to disrupt even a hydrogen bond by an increase in thermal energy. All three views are erroneous because they ignore the fundamental importance of highly cooperative processes in biomolecular systems, based on long-range atomic interactions in nonlinear, nonequilibrium electrodynamics, and the quantum physical interactions that now emerge as the key phenomena in biomolecular systems.
"

>>9224778
Much of his work took place when it was still acceptable to work with chimps and cats. It may be fortunate that he died in 2004, for his sake. Having to watch 60 years of research be still met by the same asinine excuses, over and over again. Perpetually stuck in a bizarre and irrational limbo.

The world is fucked on nearly every front, even without these devices everywhere. Parts of Europe are beginning to take action, albeit minimal to a point of ultimately trivial effect. The US however is likely, almost by nature, condemned as Athens and Rome before us, displaying nearly identical patterns. Don't wait for other people to change, and don't wait for it to be a thing. This shit is bad enough that there's not even a dose response curve to be meaningfully spoken of with respect to health, and damage to many systems is irreversible, and therefore cumulative.

If you value your mind, ability to reproduce, and health in the slightest, get rid of this shit. I have 348 papers here, a small fraction of the available literature considering the Naval Medical Research Institute bibliography was published in 1971 and has ~2300 elements. Later I will begin citing papers and possible posting any excerpts I find especially relevant, and self contained.

Aside from that, I recommend the above mentioned papers. I'll link a review I mentioned above that is freely available, and delves into some interesting and lesser mentioned aspects, like pearl chain formation.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810017132.pdf

Why not argue with your hallucinations? I promise they're going to take you more seriously than I will.

>>9225311
When I talk to you, you're not really the target audience. You're used as a medium for presentation, and for contrast.

Regardless, I don't know what your deal is, but it only makes sense to view you as a lost cause. You can make yourself present whenever if you're not just messing around.

>>9225354
Take some more meth, I'm sure it's going to help your MS/Scoliosis/JAW PROBLEMS/Neuralgia/pinched nerves/food allergies

>>9225357
Explain.

>>9221137
Sure it does.
Some steps are backwards, other steps lead into the murky abyss, but there are steps.

>>9222485
Genetic engineering can reverse aging, relax.

>>9225371
No, it really doesn't. The idea evolution can go "backwards" or "forwards" is based on a retarded popsci notion that nature is a video game with lower and higher levels. There isn't any direction evolution is moving in, traits emerge and are selected for fitness in the context of their environment.

Why is the post quality and intelligence in biology threads so much lower than in Math threads?

>>9228005
Because you don't need labs and field work to learn math

>>9228011
So field work makes you dumb?

>>9228018
no, it's just that you can learn math in depth without leaving your computer
It's the ideal subject for the type of people on 4chan

>>9226381
I hope this will become a thing before I die, so I can wait until full body prothesis become a thing (if it is still need at that point).

>>9221129
General question: why are all protheses today just using unrelated muscle groups to control movement?

Is a fully integrated mind controlled bionic arm even possible to make? I mean a bionic arm that completely imitates the real thing (connected to bone, nerves etc.) abd doesn't just use sensors.
Just curious.

>>9226381
I hope this will become a thing before I die, so I can wait until full body protheses become a thing (if it is still necessary at that point).

>>9221129
General question: why are all protheses today just using unrelated muscle groups to control movement?

Is a fully integrated mind controlled bionic arm even possible to make? I mean a bionic arm that completely imitates the real thing (connected to bone, nerves, has feel, same movements, completely mind controlled etc.) and doesn't just use sensors.
Just curious.

>>9221129
To become a Cyborg.
Just put a vibrator dildo in ass.

>>9221129
around twelve o clock october 13th

>>9226663
so if a new germ appears which eats all kind of paper so fast there is no way of combating it, and in turn we lose all the books in the world, our society suffers no lose because
>lol, we can't evolute backwards

so if that would had happed before we even invented electricity, our history would had not been altered and we would had reach the same technological point as today without the help of paper because?

evolution is constant, sure, but breaking points can happen in any direction

>>9221156
>I don't know WTF is my point
FTFY

>>9221170
>a big step forward
for you

>>9221129
Eugenics?

>>9221158
>My opinion is that humanity will fractionalize into various extremist tribes and wipe each other out.
bluepilled post. warring tribes is the optimal human societal model. losses in war are never great, spread of disease is mitigated, the gene pool is diversified, etc. we have the internet, VR and robots now so it's possible to maintain forward progress with teams of experts existing in different locations, freeing us from corrupt political systems required by large societies and the various economic systems that have reduced our quality of living relative to our ancestors. societies of no more than a few hundred with a communal government and using a barter/trade system is the way to go.

YOU
WILL
ALL
DIE.

Get used to it.

>>9224345
>Genetic engineering is dead

have you not heard of CRISPR you fucking brainlet? Human genetic engineering is just getting off the ground now. Give it 10 years and china will be modifying their embryos

>>9224345
just this week, FDA just approved a new gene therapy treatment to cure blindness

>>9232048
Can't wait for the FDA to approve a therepy to treat autism and 4chan posts per day drops to 0

>>9232051
in the GitS universe cyber brains have an autistic mode.

>Can't wait for the FDA to approve a brain implant turn autism on and off when needed

>>9221509
You can read 400 words per minute. With training and practice that may be able to increase.

>95356 words in The Hobbit
>about 4 hours
>read the book faster than you can watch the trilogy

>>9232051
>Keeping hope alive

Evolution isn't real. Its never been observed and there's only anecdotal fossil records with some shaky assumptions to back it up. It's literally no different than believing in God.

>inb4 birds with different beaks and bacteria cells is the holy grail of evidence

>>9232169
Have you ever been observed. I doubt it!! How do I know you even exist? It's literally no different than believing you're god. Literally everyone on 4chan doesn't exist and it's just god pretending to be a bunch of different people.

>>9221200
>Virgin/Chad walk is no longer just regular things and extreme parodies
>instead X is bad Y is good
You brainletd ruined this meme at record pace

>>9232146
In all seriousness, I'm thinking of /diy/ing something like this. Maybe an auto book reader/scanner, along with a google cardboard type display with low latency screen. A little hand held remote to pause, rewind a single sentance, and speedup/slowdown the word display rate. Give it word recognition recognition software program it to blast 1 word at at time on the screen. Then borrow books from the library and return them the day after or same day. It'd be like downloading books directly into my brain.
I wonder how well it'd work for heavy text books, or books with unknown words or difficult words to pronounce, or math and physics books?
Do libraries have rules about digitally scanning books?

>>9224231
>white
>implying

>>9221129
once a mutation occurs that is more advantageous and that breeds the next generation DUH

>>9232043
No amount of CRISPR editing will accomplish what actual artificial parts can do.

>>9221129
Evolution is continuous change not discrete steps. Fucking pleb.

>>9221129
We did 100 years ago

>>9230597
You're talking about culture, aka, state. Any useful definition of evolution is not concerned with acquired state, it's a measure of what is acquiring state.

The direction of evolution requires a metric, which ought to be about hard, low level biological machinery. Everything else should go by a different name.

>>9221129
We're making it right now, friend. The evolution in question is cultural evolution, meaning information in human minds, not genes. The rate of cultural change has increased exponentially over time, and with the internet we are now experiencing an explosion of cultural change, a memetic singularity. This has resulted in a high degree of social chaos as the social institutions that normally regulate cultural change are unable to keep up. You don't need a God-computer for a singularity when you have billions of brains connected in a vast network, their abilities of informational manipulation augmented to superhuman levels by the devices and systems they use.

If we don't kill each other, the future will be as follows. Collective cultural processing powers will work through fundamental human problems and begin to solve them, which the system has a natural tendancy to do, as doing so accelerates cultural change even more, which is incredibly valuable. As these fundamental problems are addressed the remaining big problems get easier, until there will be a point where the social state rapidly changes to more fully optimize human potential. This will be a social singularity, and will be so profound that many will believe that supernatural forces are at work, as the whole world begins to rapidly improve with no central cause identifiable - it is the whole system. This will be the "end of history" where humanity reaches a utopian state.

Right now we are in a "great disillusionment" where the fundamental problems of global civilization are becoming exposed and more pronounced after having been hidden under a whole mountain of bullshit by self-preserving sociocultural structures that have outlived their usefulness and are extremely maladaptive in the context of modern society. It is actually very productive, and in only a few years we will begin to see the rapid improvement described.

Fully automated luxury space capitalism is imminent, comrade.

>>9232546

>>.... I have no green text for this, just..... just.. no.

>>9223030
what is gradient decent?

Bumping.

>>9221129
Last step in involution was crash of USSR. Next step in involution be when Europe will be Muslim Caliphate, or rise of ISIS as country somewhere or destroying the Israel.

>>9221129
>>9221137
>>9221160
Exactly, evolution doesn't have steps, it's a gradient, if you want to know when trans-humanism will """START""" it already has you blind idiot.

People like pic related are becoming more and more of a common, and in only a decades time the prosthetic will be so advanced that people will begin to opt for elective amputation and transplantation of them, the legality of this is already being discussed.

Asking when trans-humanism will start is like asking when we will live in a cyberpunk world when we already have devices smaller than a sandwich in our pocket that can bring you the collective sum of human knowledge with a couple of taps, a digital decentralized crypto-currency, hackers making news every week, and robots being built to fight wars.

Stop looking at your feet and pay attention. We are in the midst of it.

>>9235845
>it's a gradient
Gradients expressed in any system have finite precision, and are therefore quantized. The thing that is shifting, that's states make up this temporal "gradient", is therefore changing in steps. Everything has steps. On the level of biological evolution, the granularity of meaningful steps is even broader.

Just admit it, evolution has steps. You're conflating steps with progress towards a certain result, because you have a lot of nonsensical underlying baggage you accumulated, likely mostly reaction based. Shed the binds of your historical clutter, so you yourself can truly evolve.

> in our pocket that can bring you the collective sum of human knowledge with a couple of taps
This is a naive and dangerous perspective. A lot has been lost. A lot has been skewed, a lot has been buried, a lot is contrived and has been selectively reconstructed, and a lot out there is just plain bullshit. No, the little toy in your pocket definitely isn't a proxy to the sum of human knowledge, not even close.

>>9236116
>A series of nitpicks that have nothing at all to do with my point, never once addressing the meat of my post.
I think you've been huffing too many reddits.

>>9221129
I'm not sure I believe in evolution anymore on a scientific basis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WW8wmCN8UA

>>9222439
Care to elaborate? Genuinely interested.

Something id have loved to see explored more in the video game Bio Shock was the fall of humans to "super power" genetic changes.

They touch on being able to light a smoke from your fingertip, or cook a mean by having a controllable flame thrower hand gene, and some minor brain genes to help you hack and steal shit.

But I really wanted to see the civil war break down, a city of the best and brightest and the different ways people fell into insane kill them all freaks you fight in-game.

I love seeing how society breaks down.

>>9221175
Evolution doesn't just mean natural selection, you realize?

>>9224345
hello mechanicus

>>9232027
Hi Land

>>9221137
Yes it does, often if a radical beneficial change happens it takes very little time, relatively speaking, for it to almost fully saturate the ecosystem, effectively being a "step".