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9205323 No.9205323 [Reply] [Original]

Hi i have a couple of questions about the universe. So i hear the universe is expanding but also that the universe is infinite which contradict each other. Do they mean everything we know in our part of the universe is expanding? like our galaxys etc.

When the big bang started, was the universe infinite? and that extremely small everything has been expanding into the infinite universe ever since?

I hear people talking about the multiverse, like a group of universes. Do they mean multiple big bangs happened inside our infinite universe?

>> No.9206145
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God is a programmer. Think of the "infinity" of space as the "free" space on a hard-drive: It is formatted and, thus, already exists but there is no data written there yet. When God created the "universe" he basically started the program. The expanding universe isn't exactly like procedural generation but more the universe spreading out to fill the drive as the individual data clusters expand.

Multiverse would be like multiple hard-drives. The same (or similar) code defines the way the universe works (evolution/physics/etc) but there are slight variations in the way chance plays out. Because they are on other "drives" they aren't accessible to us here.

>> No.9206278

>>9206145
well i hope your using god as a way to explain it but in your example would the hard drive have unlimited space?

>> No.9206291
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>>9205323
"Imagine that the expanding Universe is a loaf of raisin bread. When baked in the oven, the bread expands, but the raisins do not. The bread represents the space in the Universe, and the raisins represent galaxies and other astronomical objects. While the bread itself undergoes a large change in structure, the raisins themselves stay the same."

It's expanding infinitely, not infinite itself, but it's expanding faster or at the speed of light i think i dont remember.

>> No.9206315

Galaxies drift apart does not mean universe is expanding. Nor does it mean back in time it contracted into the size of a testicle. Pop sci is so dumb

>> No.9206339

>>9205323
>So i hear the universe is expanding but also that the universe is infinite which contradict each other
Universe is expanding. Have not heard that the universe is infinite. It is generally accepted to be about 14,000,000,000 light-years across. This is calculated from a number of components whose individual measurements get refined with new observations.

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>>9206278

My choice of "God" was not allegory.

I do not know if the "disk space" is infinite. I would assume not, as that would seem to violate the hard-coded "rules" (read: physics) of our particular drive. Ultimately, however, I am not sure how whether or not there is infinite space could ever be determined; nor would it matter for our lifetimes or even the lifetime of humanity as a whole.

(>>9206291)'s raisin bread example is a better way of describing the effect I mentioned regarding the way the universe is "spreading out to fill the drive". That said, I do think the "raisins" are expanding too, at least the amount of data contained at one "raisin" is.

>> No.9206355

So since the universe is expanding into nothingness, does that mean the universe in theory has a edge?

>> No.9206361

>>9206339
the observable universe alone is over 90 billion light years across

>> No.9206363

>>9205323
>expanding, infinite, contradict

nope
read a book

>> No.9206378

>>9206355

It isn't expanding into anything, it is creating more space by expanding.

>>9205323

Firstly, something can be infinite AND be expanding, there's no contradiction there. Secondly, our Universe is not infinite, it had a beginning a finite period of time ago and has expanded ever since, it could well continue to expand forever, but it will never actually be infinitely large.