/sci/ - Science & Math

who said that that chart was about vocational prospects

>>9055821
If it's in god tier that should really be a factor.

>>9055814
>engineering in God Tier

yep, thats the joke

anyway, if you get a degree in maths and cant find a job, then maybe, just maybe you got a lil bit ahead of yourself and aint too bright, dumb goy.

Well there are no jobs for Top, mid, low and shit either lmao. Might as well not be a faggot

>>9055814
I know several engineers and math majors with jobs.

They got the jobs at McKinsey and Goldman Sachs that all the econ majors spent 4 years jerking off over.

Why are /sci/ engineers so butthurt over math majors? Is multivariable calculus this traumatizing?

>>9055963
YES!

Mfw I like history.

>>9055814
>there are no jobs for engineering
PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFhahahahahahaha

>>9056073
>1% growth

>>9056073
>PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFhahahahahahaha

>>9056077
>>9056078
you do know that you need to be a decent engineer to have a job right? the problem is not that there are no jobs, the "problem" is that there are many engineers and positions are competitive.

>>9056078
Engineers BTFO

>>9056085
That's what people mean when they say "no jobs" that the field is over saturated.

>>9056093
well, that's like saying that the GDP measures the quality of life in a country, it's a very limited aspect of the problem at hand

>>9055828
Who employs gods though?

>astronomy
>god tier

Is this true? I love astronomy, but I didn't choose it as my major because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to find a job.

>>9055814
There are jobs in every tier just no guaranteed employment like in the olden days because of the cancerous idea that "Hey everyone should go to college!"

>>9055814
>medicine
>no jobs
nice bait

>>9055814
The best way to create a chart like this would be to ask a wealthy Indian immigrant what he wants his children to do.

He would say Medicine, Law or Engineering.

>>9055814
Wrong chart, here

Majoring in physics. Don't care about a job, i'm doing it for my personal growth.

Mathematics is ultimate tier. There is no further argument. You can learn absolutely anything in STEM if you have the ability to process abstract math.

Where does avionic eng fall?

>>9056918
Basically up there with electrical - avionics is really the only part of aerospace worth getting into right now

>>9056857
Fucking bait. You also put materials engineering in to two separate tiers, not too bright goym

>Pic of a typical graduate from engineering school when he's asked to do math

>>9056067
Witten-san was a history major at first

Why isn't anyone posting the real one?

>>9055814
> when was the last time you've heard of a math major getting a job

You need math for everything in STEM.

Why tf is philosophy at the shit tier ? Science is the child of philosophy, science uncovers objective truths while philosophy uncovers subjective ones.

>>9057068
When was the last time you've heard of a math major getting a job though?

>>9056857
saw this list some time ago, what do you guys think about it?

>>9055814
Well, have fun trying to get a job in my country that it's not CS or medicine

>>9057084
Because philosophy has a primitive formal language, it is really easy to construct an unfalsifiable statement.

>>9057181
which country

>>9057353
Portugal

>>9055814
>I've never met a math professor: the post

>>9055814
Putting philosophy in the shit tier is fucking retarded. It's at LEAST high tier.

>>9057381
What do you need to get a job in Portugal?

>>9057393
You need to have a MSc to have a decent pay, or else you'll be paid a little bit more than the minimum wage (which is roughly 560€/mo) and that's only on CS, i.e, doing code monkey jobs (medicine gets a better pay but usually they don't want people from other countries except africa ou south america to pay them less), even the PhD guys get paid less.

If you have a degree in something else, unless you're very good at it, you'll receive like 700-800€/mo for 1 to 3 years.

That's why a lot of people migrate to get a better pay.

>>9055814
i got my degree I'm math and I've had 3 separate job offers since graduating last June. maybe you just feel insecure about your lack of ability.

>>9055814
>Geology over CS
>>>/trash/

At least Life Sciences aren't in top tier like other meme charts. With a biology or meme science degree like microbiology you'll be slaving away at a low-paying quality control job. BSc in hard sciences are memes anyways (except for physics).

>>9057401
That sounds depressing, hope you are doing well.

>>9056857
civil should be in the shit tier

>mfw biology undergrad
>mfw love all of you, but you only hate
>this makes me sad
Oh la lala la

>>9056093
no, the field isn't over saturated. kids are being given a lot of disinformation about engineering in terms of what the actual requirements for employment are. having an engineering degree alone doesn't make you qualified for the position and thats the key, there are tons of positions for QUALIFIED people but most of the kids coming out of school are far from being qualified.

if you want a legit engineering job then:

1. Don't go to a BK randy school. School name actually matters and you wouldn't believe how many shitters are going to bumfuck state and think their degree is relevant.

2. you need to do internships. as a matter of fact, you need an internship to get the internship nowadays. start small and start local. there is always some mom n' pop machine shop/construction company who could use a cheap office bitch.

3. do shit other than coursework. clubs, competition teams, personal projects. if you aren't using the equipment YOU pay tuition to have access to, you are shorting yourself. build a portfolio.

4. network

>b-but i'm an autist with no social skills and don't know what that means.

it means you skip buying that catgirl figurine this month and get a student membership to ASME or w/e your relevant professional society is. they invite you to things. go to them.

>inb4 "lol i didn't do any of that and got a 100k a year job fresh out of college"

good for you. thats not the norm. if you think you can get away with not doing any of this stuff and still land a decent gig out of college, go for it, but there are other guys applying for your position that are doing all that stuff and more.

>>9057181
What country so I can apply there?

>>9057409
What positions and how'd you get them?

>>9057518

>>9057381
>>9057401

Really, don't come, everyone just leaves

does neuroscience research count as medical?

>>9057526
Sure, why it wouldn't?

>Mathematics and Engineering are God-tier
>CS isn't God-tier despite the curriculum being contained within both Math and Engineering
>Despite theoretical CS being a branch of Mathematics

>>9057526
no, it's biology

>>9057588
It really depends... you can do medical research in neuroscience but if it "basic" science then yeah it's biology

>>9055814
>Do STEM fags actually believe this? There are no jobs for "God tier."
Physics PhD reporting in.

After some years as a post doc. etc I am now a patent attorney. And we have plenty of job openings for physicists, minimum a masters degree, preferably a PhD.

Pay isn't too shabby.

>>9057084
>Why tf is philosophy at the shit tier ?
This is 2017

>Science is the child of philosophy,
Yes. That thing is though, sciences have moved on, philosophy is stuck in long gone millennia.

>science uncovers objective truths
Whoa!

>while philosophy uncovers subjective ones.
Fluffiness does not get you a job.

Majoring in Criminal Justice. Give it to me straight boys.

>>9057630
Meme tier low salary major equal to the liberal arts. Want to be a police officer? You can do that shit without a college degree.

>>9057084
>tf
>subjective truths
This is why philosophy is at shit tier.

>>9057494
>tfw going to Pitt
>tfw doing FSAE
>still can't get internships
2/3 ain't bad, I guess

>>9057494
Aerospace engineer here

Oversaturated as fuck, we can't get rid of people fast enough

>>9057652
Why did you major in aerospace instead of mechanical?

>>9057635
I actually want to be a SWAT officer under FBI employ. For that I'd need a degred

>>9057659
>degred
I swear I'm not retarded, just a mobile poster

>>9057657
I did major in mechanical, I'm just good (and cheap) enough to cuck aeros out of a job

>>9055814
shift mathematics, physics and chemistry to mid, and computer science to god.

>>9057168
>no software
any list that doesn't put software at the very top is full of shit. software is hot and always has been. it's more lucrative and more versatile than any engineering division. i challenge anyone to say otherwise.

>PE
lol, there is a reason it's not offered everywhere, the same reason nuclear engineering isn't.

>electrical engineering is well respected even in the world of finance
i don't know what movie this idiot saw to say this


>EE/ChemE are known as the most anti-brainlet and math intensive
EE has the most math curriculum, but even then, engineers have limited math skills in general, why brag about two more math classes? you're not gonna use a whole lot of math after graduation either. i don't understand the fascination with chemE on sci btw, i would put it below a lot of things. it's a jack of all trades job that doesn't see as much use today as it has before.

>IE is basically mech grunt work
if this guy cared about math so much, he should've put IE at the very top. this retard thinks because there's the word ''industrial'', there must be big cogs and machines and shit! but it's not quite mechanical since it doesn't contain the words ''mechanical engineering'', therefore it is a inferior version of it. moron.

i'm not gonna read the rest of the list because it's retarded, the full of shit really betrays the smug of it too.

>>9057692
>IE is math-intensive
At my school, they don't go beyond calc 1, though they have a couple of stats classes, but they're easy af

>>9055814
Don't fuck with me man, I'm aiming at quantum computing.

> Working on physics bachelors
> last year
> 21 in 2 days

I need a job...

>>9055814
>no jobs
>medicine
HAH TOPKEK

>>9057659
>Meme degree for becoming a brainlet and a tool of the government
Just out of curiosity, what the fuck do you actually study? Tyranny 101? Corruption 102? Wasting Tax Payers Time and Money 103? Enforcing Shlomo's Demands 104?

>>9057675
Got a *good* reason for that?

>>9057710
To get a good job with a background in Physics you need at least a masters degree. A PhD is strongly recommended.

Aim for a field where you have an escape route to industry such as solid state physics. Do the standard trek with a few rounds of post doc and make sure you move around. I did one in Japan and it was brilliant.

Then take stock of your situation: do you aim for tenure and a professorship or do you go for industry?

If you take the industry route you should get 5 years experience in industrial R&D, perhaps change jobs twice, before you aim for settling down. This BTW is an excellent background for a job as a patent examiner or patent attorney.

>>9055814
I saw a math major on hansen vs. predator

>>9057733
t. 14 year old antifa

>>9055814
>Geology in top tear
Ahahahahshhahahahahahahhahaha

>no engineering jobs

kek

>>9055963
I don't mind math majors.

t. Engineering student

>>9055814
I'm getting a degree in both mathematics and computer science and even though I know I'll get much better pay for it I regret not investing all my time in math.
>judging the value of a field by the quality job you will get
absolutely innoble

>>9055878
And those are the faggy ones

>>9057698

That's bullshit or your university is shit. I'm an IE graduate and i had to take Calculus & Analysis I and II. And of course a lot of statistics and probability.
Also Operations Research (An IE subfield) is more math heavy than any other engineering degree. As always people here talk about things they don't know.

>>9058156
Nigger, you're an IE, your whole job is to talk about stuff that you know nothing about

>>9058239

Well memed my friend

>>9056857
as a recent grad i can say with confidence chemE is shit tier

first off all it's not hard at all, the "hard" classes are transfer phenomena which are just baby's first pdes

second it's useless because it's a jack of all trades master of none program where you aren't needed because computer simulation can handle all of the overall plant design. so no employed chemE ever uses the shit they were taught they just draw simulations on a computer. and chemE's aren't taught enough to do detailed work on the unit operations they design around.

Economics is atleast high-tier tho, agree on the rest

feels like everyone is trying to become an engineer. When will the bubble burst?

>>9058636
The key word is "try." Half the people that go into some sort of engineering either don't finish and end up in polsci or some shit or they just barely get by and can't apply anything they learned to an actual job

>>9055814
CompSci equals
Math equals
Logic equals
Philosophy equals
Law equals
Theology

Given a rule system tell me what is (True/False),(Right/Wrong), (Legal/Illegal),
(Computable/Uncomputable) and show reasons from rule system.

>>9057419
Mining money>your job being outsourced to pajeet tbqh

>>9056857
Serious question. Why would bio molecular engineering be bad?

Soo... how does /sci/ feel about statistics?

>>9059207
It's an over-specialization with a small job market. The same reason why aerospace engineering is in bad too.

CS / SE should be god tier. Literally have half a brain and do a shitty internship or two, make a few apps, and after four years go make 90k+ pretty much in any big city in the United States.

>>9059603
This is an interesting post.

I'm a structural engineer and even in the building industry we're are seeing that people who design structures are 'over specialised' for more elaborate projects.

In the small office I work in, we had a project come in for a retracting glass roof. We were requested to design everything for the initial concept, and the engineers in the office (who are usually excellent) were at a loss.

It needed me, a graduate, to design and prototype a mechanism for the roof to open and close, and then provide that assembly to the original team to do the simple statics for the roof. I have never even studied mech eng - I just take an interest, and learn how to make things in my spare time.

I was dumbfounded. People in my industry can't program, they don't know how gears work, can't design a pulley system and have no concept of electronics.

I think people have trouble understanding things outside their bubble because they are scared of complexity, or worse - don't understand the (very obvious) benefits of understanding other fields.

>>9056857
Genetic engineering should be one higher. Job security is actually pretty decent.

Where would Forestry fall? Life Sciences? That can't be correct, as Life Sciences is in the Mid Tier instead of the God Tier.

I propose that Forestry have it's own section above God Tier called "Forestry Tier", comprised of Forestry and Fisheries Science.

Good thread to ask I guess. I'm an Electrical Engineer Major right now, but I'm thinking of switching over to Mechanical. Which has better job offers or higher growth? Also wanna do a Masters in Biomedical Engineering since I want to do that but it's risky move to study that at the bachelor's level.

>>9059957
Neither

We're all gonna die

>>9059957
Stay in electrical. If you don't get a job as an actual electrical engineer you can always fall back on programming/CS/software engineering jobs, something that mechanical engineers don't have the luxury of having.

>>9055814
First of all jobs doesn't matter.
Secondly the only reason people don't get jobs, when they're educated in the god tier is because they quit their education after having recieved a bachelor's degree and not completing a master's or getting a Ph.D.
Here, where I'm from people get at least their master's and once they got that, well... As one guy said it "if you don't have a job within 3 months of getting you master's, it's because you're an idiot!"

>>9059997
White collar Fallbacks (except sales, retail & management)
Electrical Engineer -> Code Monkey / Programmer / Software Engineer.
Mechanical & Civil Engineer -> AutoCAD / SolidWorks / 3DS Max CAD artist.

Engineers also can work as under paid blue collar technicians.

>cs so low
>engineering so high
hmmm..

>>9060879
Looks about correct.

You're not a CS student are you?

>>9061075
I am. Software engineers are usually triggered by our existence for some reason. OP's chart was probably made by an engineer.

>>9057168
>electrical engineering is well respected, even in the world of finance
lmao you can tell what kind of delusional ee student made this chart

What's stopping someone from getting a math degree than working in some CS related field ? Assuming I know how to code and have completed a few projects.

>Chemistry
>God Tier

>Computer Science
>not God Tier

Yeah, that chart is pure bullshit

>>9062207
>CS God Tier
Hahahahaha

>>9062220
t. unemployed mathematician

>>9056129
same here

now im studying chemistry

lateral move, still love it though

>>9062223
Fuck you faggot. At least I'm actually capable of contributing to society's advancement. You're just a brainlet and will soon lose you job to Pajeet and Chang.

>>9062265
>unemployed mathematician
>contributing anything
The best part of this joke is that you are unemployed because you are stupid

>>9062223
>>9062284
You coud literally teach a parrot to do your job.

What do you think CS is, anon? If you think your average CS graduate is writing some celsius-fahrenheir converters in python you're badly mistaken. In the real world CS graduates are highly paid and well employed.

>>9055814
I never get these shits. Do engineer think their plebeian plug and play calculations compare to what we do in social sciences?

>>9057095
plenty of times, I worked in financial software, the product manager for our derivatives pricing package had the job title 'mathematician'. There were various quant devs in that team too with a mathematics background.

>>9062309
you're thinking of engineers

>>9062223
Trouble with security clearance? After all, NSA is the largest single employer of mathematicians.

>get electrical engineering degree in lue of degree I actually wanted
>study hard to pass program and get several dozen dollars in debt
>only thing I got to show for this worthless piece of paper is a job cleaning plastic pieces at a warehouse

>>9056139
Everyone wants a better financial perspective, can you really blame people to go to college then?

>>9056139
>the cancerous idea that "Hey everyone should go to college!"
In Germany you need a PhD to get the really interesting jobs. I guess they are a bit ahead of the curve.

>choosing your field by job opportunities

Jesus Christ, if you want to make money get into business and investing and forgo the effort of studying a field just to get a mediocre wageslave position

I'm good enough at math that I could major in anything comfortably.

All I care about is being gainfully employed with just a bachelor's. That's it, that's all I care about, I don't care about what /sci/ will think of me or whether it's a brainlet major or whatever the fuck.

What should I go for?

>>9065502
>math is the sole predictor of major requirement

Jesus tell me when you finish lower division. If you are autistic you don't stand a chance outside of maths, cs, physics or chem.

>>9065518
I'm not autistic. I've got a wide circle of friends and if you met me irl you'd think I'm a total chad. These are my first posts on 4chan in years.

My real passion is history but that passion doesn't extend to wanting to deal with making a career out of it.

>>9065525
>Griffith05.jpg
You are totally not autistic.

In all seriousness though if you want to make money be an economist.

>>9055814
Does anyone think all the jobs in liberal arts are boring? I do not want to work as a Market Research Analysts. It appears all the jobs I want require math that is life scientist, engineering, and physics.

>>9055963
It's the other way around, at lest in here.

Seems math majors can't stand engineers for some reason even though engineers don't really spend time thinking about math majors.

I don't know what your problem is. There are many jobs for people with a maths degree

>>9055814
>I mean when was the last time you've heard of a math major getting a job.

I have a couple of friends.

They give classes in High Schools.

>>9065530
>>9065502

If you want to make money on the stock exchange or something, you better study quantum physics. Economists rarely work there. You need experts in probability

Nope.

Funniest part is the people who are saying there are no jobs in STEM most likely do not work in STEM. Sure, finding a job isn't easy, but they are out there and pay very well. Especially in industry and with a higher degree.

I highly excpect computer science to be the best education for getting a job. Right?

>>9056077
What? Each field of engineering has different growth rates.

>>9065613
>>9065530
>>9065502

> he wants to be a professional gambler because he doesn't have any talents or interests other than "hurrr it would be cool if i had money n shiet"

>>9065530
>if you want to make money be an economist
>quants are all math majors
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>9055814
actually as a math major i already have a full time career paying 65k starting, 70k after 5 years (finishing my studies part time).

The information revolution entails a serious need for analytical problem solvers. All of my friends and myself are getting hired.

Are you looking in the right placed anon?

>>9065588
To be fair, engineers don't really spend time thinking about anything other than meaty cocks

>>9065915
Holy crap, are you for real? I can only wish making that amount of money that young.

>>9062265
Hey did you know that your life either directly or indirectly depends on software/computers on a daily basis? Really gets the ol noggin joggin.

>>9062345
Engineers are the backbone of consumerist capitalist because they create the shit stupid people buy. Your social science will never compare.

>>9062401
>HAHAH DUMBGINEERS ARE STOOTHPIT......AM I COOL /SCI/??????

>>9062199
Experience. More of a risk.

>>9057065
>A FUCKING SOCIAL SCIENCE

>>9061966
>Software engineers are usually triggered by our existence for some reason
its because you're a literal brainlet and you don't deserve to be in their presence, codemonkey

Could someone explain me what makes Electrical Engineering so math heavy? Is it because of hard math or because you'll have to use a lot of math?

>>9067153
it's not math heavy, you probably will use little to no math on the job.

>>9065615
Of course there are jobs in STEM and it's generally a good route to go, but people overly exaggerate the job opportunities. It's not as in demand/under-saturated as internet memers would have you believe

>>9065489
People can be interested in more than just a singe topic and it just makes sense to chose something you can be employed doing rather than say antediluvian esoterica and expect taxpayers to fund your amusement.

>>9055814
Engineering majors are literally some of the most profitable.

>>9057168
Electronic Engineering & Math Double Major Student Master Race reporting!

>tfw Master Race

>>9055814
>there are no jobs for god tier
In medicine, there are plenty

>>9067153

EE being a hard major is a meme. They only have very basic math and low level physics.

>>9067351

Is this place full of insecure undergraduates?

>>9055814
Astronomy is pleb tier

>>9067312
>the entire purpose of academia is job training

>>9055814
The god/top/mid/low/shit system is infallible. It's not our fault you aren't sciency.

>>9055814
architecture shit tier

shure buddy
starting salry is 2000 dollars per month

>>9067848
>architecture
>shure
You need to go back

Any budding medical scientists here? It looks like you're all engineers and mathematicians.

https://www.wired.com/story/ap-computer-science-2017/
http://kxan.com/2017/07/27/girls-who-code-getting-women-to-love-computer-science/
https://www.engadget.com/2017/07/26/girl-scouts-adds-more-stem-badges/
Why the fuck do people care if there are enough women in CompSci? If people want to do it, let them fucking do it and stop enforcing quotas into the god damn fields. I want to do Mech and Aero/AstronauticalE but I don't want to get kicked out thanks to Shaniqua needing to but in when I busted my ass off to get into the school I like and get the classes I want offered by my school. Why do they need to emphasize female programmers or softwareEng. I get how they think compsci is the ONLY good discipline for money, but why not just let people do what they want instead of praising how "Girl power" it is?

>>9055814
What the fuck do I do with a math degree from a mediocre state school with a mediocre GPA? I'm willing to work my ass off but I've gone through some shit and I'm kind of discouraged.

>>9067521
when you are talking about engineering degree instead of things like philosophy, yes it fucking is.

>>9068790

Take actuarial exams or possibly learn programming.

Apply for anything with the title "analyst" or look into working for government. Lastly, know someone

source: soon to be in this position (although hopefully not)

>>9055814

>>9057168
Reminder that a Electrical Engineer specialized in Controls/Robotics/Automation can do more than every thing that a Mechanical, Aeronautical or biomedical Engineer can do.

>>9057168 >>9069503
Reminder that a Electrical Engineer can do the work of Mechanical, Aeronautical, or Biomedical, Computer, Nuclear, Software Engineers & Computer Scientists.

PhD in Electrical Engineering can also do:

Research in Physics
Optics, Solid State / Condensed matter Physics, Advanced Electromagnetism, Quantum Mech (for Quantum Computing), Mechanics (for Control Theory),

Research in Math
Control Theory (Includes Dynamical Systems, Chaos & Differential Equations)
Math for AI/CS (Number Theory for Cryptography, Discrete Math, Probability, Statistics, Combinatorics)
Math for Physics (from Complex Analysis, Differential Equations, Tensor Analysis, Differential Geometry, Topology & Beyound)

Help Physicists to build: Core Components of Particle Accelerators, Satellites, Astronomical Telescopes, Nuclear Fusion Reactors, Tokamaks.

Alongside with MechE help to build core components of Aircrafts, Spacecrafts, Robots, Automated Factories, High Speed Trains, Nuclear Fission Reactors, Prosthetic Limbs & so on.

>>9055814

>economics
>low tier

fuck you faggot.
pic related

>>9069599
>Library sciences

I'm calling bullshit

>>9069612
Do you know what it means?

Around here it is known for being one of the hardest studies to get into while at the same time having the lowest salaries.

I want to do computer science,is it worth it?

>>9055814 >>9057168 >>9069503 >>9069526

Double major in EE + [Math or Physics] = Godlike tier.

Possible to do in 4 years because many classes/courses overlap.

Double major in Math + Physics is also God tier for who wanna become Scientists (and not Engineers)

>>9057494
Do people really gasp at a starting salary of 100k?
Serious question, since it really isn't a lot. Finance pays more, Law pays more, Medicine pays way more and all these are much more fulfilling than engineering.

Pick the best of the following subjects

History
Literature
Philosophy
Poltical Science
Sociology

>>9069814
Currently doing a bachelors in Math and Physics, I want to do a Masters in Aerospace Eng. Should I just stick to physics?

>>9069852
>Finance is much more fulfilling than engineering.
.......???? You'd have to be completely delusional to believe such a thing, even those who work in finance find nothing fulfilling about it besides the money

>>9069814

>4 years major

what kind of shitty university only takes 4 years to get an EE degree? Probably american...

>>9069905
The first years as law post graduate are the hell if you pick a position with better salary.

Engineering has the best sweetspot between interesting work, salary and quality of life.

>>9069920
>engineering
>interesting work

>>9067433
it's only the EEs i swear. every EE i've met pulls the "EE is the hardest" or "your major is objectively less useful" card.

>>9069865
History

Lmao no jobs in chem kys as if the petroleum industry is going to stop employing these guys, don't even need to debunk the other stuff you are clearly retarded.

And no, people don't believe that reddit trash ranking, engineering > stats? Fucking lol, at least the latter get taught proofs of basic shit like MVT etc. CS needs a bump up (assuming it's real CS and not code monkey shite) and everything in low tier is shit tier minus econ. History and music shouldnt be on the same as gender studies, as far as humanities go you need a braincell to do them at least.

>>9057884
t. 14 year old r/the_donald

>>9069503
>>9069526
You EE really have no idea the work that others engineers do. A ME is closer to being an EE than an EE is closer to do ME work, because we have to learn just as much if not more about electric machinery and control systems, meanwhile you guys learn little if anything at all about Fluid Dynamics, Materials Science, Thermodynamics and Heat Transfer.

>>9069865
Philosophy > Literature > Political Science > History > Sociology

>>9055963
I don't think so. I'm a ME and us engineers get along just fine with Math, Physics, Chem, etc... we all use science (on different levels) for the good of mankind. The only people who are butthurt are those who have autism and envy anyone with a decent job.

>>9056881
Kinda true but not completely true.

>>9058156
I'm a ME and I took all that crap plus differential equations, multivariable calc, complex variable, dynamical systems, linear algebra and tensor analysis.

Come at me bro.

Btw I work with many IE and all they do is use minitab and talk about stuff the don't understand (pretty much anything that Mech engineers do).

>Studying "Public Administration"

notice me senpai <;^(

>>9055814
Understanding of universe and job doesn't have to come hand in hand.

you guys should stop circlejerking your own degree that you're 1 or 2 years into and just emphasize that it's what you make out of your field, not the other way around...

>Med
>$200K starting salary
>Name alone capable of making women wet themselves
>Universal respect and ass kissing

Feels good to be master race.

>>9070606
what he forgot to mention was
>500k in debt with ridiculous interest rates that will take at least a decade to fully pay off

>>9070606
> 200k starting
> not 300k starting
> mfw

>>9057605
You’re a retard. You don’t need an MA or a PhD to get admitted to the patent bar.

>>9057801
>this retard again
>spending 35 years to become a patent examiner
Do well in law school and have an undergrad in the right major and you will get a very large salary in patent law right out of law school.

>>9057659
Criminal justice is a worthless degree. You couldve done IT or something worthwhile for when FBI tells you to fuck off, but now you are trapped in Unemployment, BA

>/sci/ glorifies EE and shits on CE
>Thinking about changing to CE because networks seem more interesting than embedded
O okay. EE with zero job growth is a meme anyway, nobody would want me in embedded fields anyway over cheaper pajeets

>>9070888
>zero job growth
u do realize that statistic makes no sense whatsoever right as ee can get a job in nearly every industry, and is an incredibly general discipline and that statistic only accounts for a small part of all the industries ee can go to

also a pajeet is not going to have the accreditation

>>9070894
Neither do I, my uni is shit at ranks at 300 worldwide. India is full of better universities plus its a undergrad+ masters so Id rather do what Iv been studying for

>>9070888
but if u r only interested in the emergent property that is computers from electrical components then do ce by all means it's just much more specific, like aerospace is to mechanical. i think you are just gimping yourself with an unnecessarily specific degree when you can just specialize with a master's later

>>9059685
how long will that shit last though?

So I must decide what I'm gonna study at end of the week.

Computer Science
Mathematics

As a undergraduate this is discouraging seems like there will be no jobs left for us. Fuck. I'm in CS I hope to god I can find something, I live in Toronto and things don't look good.

>>9055814
>Medicine
>God tier
Putting fingers in people's assholes = God tier?

K

>Astronomy
>God Tier

Oh look we found another star, add it to the list of 10000000000000000 of other identical stars. So interesting

K

Is a simulated reality inside an everlasting dream on which the dreamer is in a state of coma or sleep possible? Meaning that with the right equipment and the right interference within the brain nerves someone that might be sleeping for a few real time hours (or a much longer time in the case of being comatose) will be in a state of lucid dreaming inside his subconscious and will therefore be able to build an alternate reality inside his own mind; therefore losing all grasp of reality.

>>9070816
>You don’t need an MA or a PhD to get admitted to the patent bar.

I never said you need a PhD, only that is preferred.

I did however say you need a masters degree (though not a Masters of Arts). National regulations may vary but around here a masters degree is a minimum.

Examiners too have the same requirement. Unofficial statistics indicate 30 % of EPO examiners have a PhD.

>>9070823
>Do well in law school and have an undergrad in the right major and you will get a very large salary in patent law right out of law school.
It all depends on what you want to do in life. Sure, a good law degree will earn you a nice salary, though job market in law in the US is not too good these days.

Attorneys at law and patent attorneys do different types of work.

Examiner salaries you can read about here: https://www.epo.org/about-us/jobs/why/salary-benefits.html

>>9059554
It's 50/50, I either like it or I don't.

>>9069865
Any of them besides sociology, basically the equivalent to jamming an 18 inch long and 6 inch diameter strapon into a white males urethra and then saying you were brutally raped by the white male.

>>9067094
Philosophy isn't a social science....

>>9059178
I agree that philosophy and theology should be high ideally, but do you really think the average theology student studies moral rule systems? Essentially they're like shitty med students, just a shit ton of reading about Aquinas, and then spouting things they didn't really think about too deeply to others.

If theology was more logic based (and I don't mean in the fedora atheist manner, I mean they utilized formal logical exercises), and philosophy didn't churn out idiots who don't understand economics, they'd be more respectable. The studies themselves are possibly incredibly deep, but we waste them by discussing inane political questions in the case of philosophy, and in the case of theology, rarely are things like the implications of macroevolution taught, rather, they simply try to decide if it works with the current Bible. They scratch the surface.

>>9055814
ULTRA GOD EMPEROR Tier:
Women's Studies

your opinions on sales engineering or other degrees consisting of economical and engineering subjects?

>>9057494
You engineering students really are incapable of grasping anything related to social sciences, aren't you?

It is very basic economics, duderino. What you are laying out is that there is no demand, except for the very brightest and motivated. We're talking the top 10%, maybe top 20% of all students that will meet your criteria.

Numbers like that DO NOT indicate a field that is growing. It is the very definition of saturation/oversaturation.

>>9070237
>I'm a ME and I took all that crap plus differential equations, multivariable calc, complex variable, dynamical systems, linear algebra and tensor analysis.

I had to take all these (Except dynamical systems.) to get my IE degree. Fluid dynamics, thermodynamics, materials science, statics, electrotechnology, etc. as well.
Also why the fuck do americans students only see calculus? Here we have to take analysis classes as well.

Anyway, Operations Research uses more math than any thing you will see in ME.

>Btw I work with many IE and all they do is use minitab and talk about stuff the don't understand (pretty much anything that Mech engineers do).


You must be delusional as fuck if you think anything ME do is hard to understand. None of the concepts you see are dificult to understand at all. I know this because i worked as a ME for a while.

>>9056067
everyone likes history

>>9072373
Nope. Fat waste of time.
>but anon! We should learn from our mistakes!
There are more efficient ways to do that.

>>9072373
>everyone likes history

>>9056122
ABSOLUTELY
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT

>>9055814
>God tier
Math, engineering, logic and phylosophy, comp sci

>Good tier
Physics, chem, pharma, astronomy, geology, neuro

>OK tier
Life sciences, medicine, economics, history

>Irrelevant tier
Everything else is a meme bandwagon and it's not really needed at all


I'm 250% right and you all know it, only retards who got cucked by pure physics/chem degrees will disagree.

>>9072518
Why logic and philosophy so high?

>>9072518
>god tier
geology, philosophy
>good tier
physics, religion, medicine
>ok tier
biology, all engineering except electrical
>irrelevent tier
ee and everything else i havent mentioned

>>9072523
Cause those are the fields that explore reality, any /sci/ who hates philosophy is a compelte retard unaware of it sorroundings.

>>9072404
We don't study history to learn from the past - that's bullshit insecure historians say to try and make history 'scientific'. Its bullshit. We study history because its interesting, and because it tells us the common story of humanity. Not everything has to have a practical purpose.

We study history for the same reason we study stars we'll never reach and planet's we'll never see: its cool.

>psychology in low tier

reminder it has a 140% projected job growth rate

>>9072598
this

>>9072598
from 10 to 14 jobs

>>9072638

No, 10 to 24.

>>9072638
>>9072664

hehehehehehehe

you can see how more people are diagnosing themselves with mental health problems and looking for help

meanwhile engineering fags will have their jobs taken by robots within 10 years

>>9072560
And you're right. I was just expressing why I didn't like it. I swear 90% of arguments come from not understanding the initial scenario. My bad for not specifying that it's just my opinion, I assumed it was implied because I was responding to "everyone likes history."

Next guy can decide my life.

CS or math?

>>9072675
Robots being programmed by CS master race

>>9073120
Whichever one you want to do. What now? (personally recommend CS)

>>9072359
>engineering
>difficult concepts

Redpill me on Economics

>i study this
>should have gone with mathematics
>probably will go for a Phd in Econ because everyone in undergrad is a complete fucking retard
>tfw big fish in small pond
>only reason i chose econ over mathematics for university
>t-top kek

>>9073991
>random guy without an engineering degree piggybacking on old sci memes

I know you won't openly admit it so you will just have to come to terms with this truth on your own time

>>9074141

When people think CS is the same as Software engineering....

>>9055814
All the degrees that are not god tire are things one can learn in one's time. Therefore it is pointless to waste money on tuition.

>Law and Biz not god tier
AHAHAHAHAH, LOOK AT THIS POOR FAGGOT

>>9074141
Engineer here, engineering is easy af

It has to be. Reliability is paramount in engineering, but isn't as relevant in science

>>9074153
it's worse because it isn't even an ignorant minority who thinks that - virtually EVERYONE outside the field thinks they're the same

>>9070608
incorrect. A few years at most if you're smart.

Law and Psychology are shit tier

>>9057664
What's the difference?

>>9074182
I respect Law but Business is a complete joke

Why does physics attract relatively high iq people?
I mean even math fags can't compete.

>>9077581
>Why does physics attract relatively high iq people?
>I mean even math fags can't compete.
Be Edward Witten
BSc in History. Princeton PhD in Physics. Fields Medal in Math. Permanent Position at Princeton Institute of Advanced Studies.

He has the [math] \mathbb{PHENOTYPE} [/math] that Ashkenazim Girls crave.

[math] \mathbb{HUGE} [/math]
[math] \mathbb{PHYSICIST} [/math]
[math] \mathbb{BRAIN} [/math]

How other majors (besides math) can even compete?

>>9069814
if your math degree reduces to 1 year, it's a minor.

>>9055963
I'm not lying but yeah and I was not butthurt who got math majors.

t.Engineering student

Should we guys stop having a fight over profession we chose, this path to become a professional and help the society to be a better place. Just study hard and make the world a better place for us /sci/.

>>9057450
Its the only one with a guaranteed job growth because American Baby Boomers neglected our infrastructure for so long.

>>9057494
Wait Rex was an engineer? Holy shit, here I thought he was just some shady business major. I have a new profound respect for him and now actually think Trump did some good.

>>9057659
They check your background, every inch of it will not be left unturned. They will ask neighbors and friends about you and every tranny porn site you visited will be known by them.

>>9065469
>in germany you need a PHD to get the good jobs
Maybe you guys should require a PhD for engineering because your "german engineering" is pure shit now a days with your cars. VW and BMW are pure shit on humid days.

>>9055963
It's just a meme. Engineers are just memed into being brainlets despite knowing high level math the same way /r9k/ memes a NEET who walks outside of mommy's basement to take out the trash as a Chad.

>>9077949
kek

>>9067201
If all else fails I could just join the military and instantly become a high ranking officer because of a STEM degree. I won't work in my field but I will atleast have a good job telling GED Jamals what to do.

>>9068977
the social sciences have destroyed college in America so much in every imaginable area from tuition fees to the sjw-ism. I just wished the fucking bubble for tuition would burst already so these non-STEM majors lose popularity and federal loans.

>>9069919
Yes because we have to take worthless classes like Arts or Shakespeare which prolongs our stay in uni.

>>9069931
My Professor who was a civie told us he absolutely loved his first job working at a firm. He said he even went to work on his vacation pay because he loved doing it so much.

>>9057652
Damn, I thought there would be a lot more jobs open for AeroE. Kind of disappointing since it seems like an interesting discipline.

>>9057692
Outsourcing is one of drawbacks to software engineering. It happens more easily than some other engineering fields.

>>9077955

>engineers
>high level math

>>9057181
PORTUGAL CARALHO! I dont know why but I felt you were portuguese the moment you talked about CS and medicine.

>>9065588
Cause we make a lot more money

>>9055814
YOU GET A JOB

FOR THE LIFESTYLE YOU WANT TO LIVE

SOME PEOPLE ARE PERFECTLY COMFORTALE WITH LOW WAGE JOBS

KNOW WHAT EACH JOB IMPLIES AND DECIDE WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH YOUR LIFE

>>9079570
God damn it this! I wish more people understood this.

>>9079570
I wanna be a barista and I'm comfortable not being able to feed my family. At least I get to smoke weed and have a life haha

>>9055814
>law
>top tier
Isn't it shite tier unless you have connections?

>>9073120
Math
You can study CS on your own and uni would be a total waste of time

>>9055963
Yeah right, if I had majored in math I would have been summa cum laude. It's too straight forward. Read the books, solve these problems, check solutions with chegg repeat take similar test . Minored in math with a 4.0 my major GPA (EE) was only 3.4. Engineering classes are not so linear and much more work.

>>9080761
Aren't minors in math super easy? My Physics recommended math courses alone qualify me for a math minor.

>>9079926
Why would anyone that's not a jew want to be a lawyer?

This thread seems dead but I have to ask. What do physics majors do after getting their bachelors if they don't get a PhD?

>>9082440
Richard Stallman. Harvard BSc in Physics. Hacker/(Filthy)Programmer. /God/ of /g/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

>>9082440
Elon Musk. BSc in Physics. Dropped out Stanford PhD in Physics.
Currently a business magnate, investor, Aerospace & Electrical engineer, and inventor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

>>9082440
1 Filthy Code Monkey Programmer.
2 Filthy Engineer
3 Filthy Businessman
4 Banking & Finance.
5 Retails
6 "Glorious" Fast Food Restaurant Employee of the Month.
>may i take your order?

>>9082471
>And I almost forgot the most important.
7 High School Teacher.

>>9082451
So basically never shower?