/sci/ - Science & Math

Low capacity for abstract thought.

It's just simple geography.

I don't get why people keep making a big deal of this.

Wherever the land was plentiful and there was opportunities for trade and such, civilization flourished and from there came many innovations.

Wherever there was nothing else but mountains and deserts the sheep herders remained sheep herders.

Think of this. Europeans accomplished plenty of things. They had multiple successful civilizations. The Chinese also had multiple successful civilizations. And the Indians as well. And the Arabs and all around the Levant there were also multiple successful civilizations.

Then you have Mongolia, and all the 'stans surrounded by all those successful civilizations and they accomplished nothing. Why? Because they are hostile countries. Not really fit for human habituation.

>>9067708
Africa has more natural resources than any other continent on the planet

Smart people get tired of retards and move somewhere else. This keeps happening so the oldest human settlements just become dumber and dumber.

>>9067718
Doesn't matter when you have governments and leaders that are incapable of handling those resources (or are rife with corruption).

>>9067718

No it's not.

Pic related is arable land per country. Africa is a huge continent full of deserts.

>>9067732
K

>>9067728
>you have governments and leaders that are incapable of handling those resources (or are rife with corruption).
Hmmm... I wonder why they have such poor leaders.

>>9067733
>petroleum and uranium at all relevant during the crucial early formation years
>>>/pol/

>>9067732
Where is the correlation...? Countries with less arable land than Europe or American still have large quantities of natural resources (South America, Africa, Russia, Australia etc).

>>9067733

Holy fuck, what an retard.

Love the irony.

I actually thought of mentioning uranium and petroleum but then I second guessed myself because surely nobody would be so retarded. But here we are.

Fucking imbecile.

>>9067743

Go back to >>>/pol/

I'm not going to waste my time "debating" with a brainlet.

>>9067733

You think petroleum, uranium and gas can help you survive before the 19th century? No.

>>9067708
I sheep herders can afford to and survive by staying sheep herders, their land is not hostile, in fact it enables them to survive with a bare minimum of effort. A land where, no matter where you go you freeze to death in a matter of hours to days during several months of the year is hostile and requires you to get crafty quick. As you said it's simple, but you still got it wrong.

>>9067756
K. How about the literal diamonds overflowing from the ground?

>>9067757
Their land can become hostile. Herders migrate out of certain regions of Africa because of this.

>>9067671
>lock on the door
hilarious

>>9067767
Kek didn't even notice that

>>9067765
Ok, so you have to herd your sheep over there instead of here. In Europe you freeze over there just as much as here. Which environment seems more hostile?

Low iq is a big issue in Africa corruption ,violence ,superstition and hostility to math and science mean Africa is going nowhere without a eugenics program

>>9067770
>Ok, so you have to herd your sheep over there instead of here.

Yes, it is this simple. Well done you just solved the problem of drought induced mass migration.

>>9067774
The suffering experienced in Africa is beyond anything you can imagine people are burned alive ,starve, terrible things the only solution is to increase the national iq

>>9067776
No I didn't, but mass migration and one of its causes, massive overpopulation, wasn't any more of an issue during the time where civilizations were built than uranium access.

>>9067718
The stuff that's underground?

>>9067760
Diamonds ain't worth shit.

>>9067778
Europeans and Americans used to burn each other alive all the time...

>>9067782
overpopulation doesn't cause mass migration.

>>9067841
They only are wortha shit because ofa huge ass mono[poly, break that monopoly and Diamond prices go to the shitter.

Either that or people stop falling for the Diamond brainwash and go back to the cosmetic gems of the past that were better then diamond pre DeBeers marketing.

>>9067862
Of course it does. Overpopulation causes poverty, disease, crime and other things you don't want in a society, especially in societies as primitive as africa's. But that's beside the point (see sheep herders).

>>9067872
Because overpopulation is not a thing, Underestimation is a much more accurate thing to say and even currently they are making decent progress in stuff like diseases

>>9067880
I don't understand what you are saying. If you think africa isn't overpopulated, I assure you even you will see it that way in 20 years, and by the way there will be even more migration then. But as I said, that's not the topic of the thread.

What's the reason for all these /pol/ posters failure to accomplish anything of value with their own lives?

>>9067671
What's the scientific reasoning for having this same fucking thread every week?

>>9067914
It's always good for a big harvest of (you)s

>>9067890
Because population density wise and how much the land could actually hold it's much lower then it can be.

>>9067926
and fertility rates are dropping as well as standards in loving and education improving.

>>9067905
>implying that niggers will accomplish anything
>implying that pol posters aren't actually for the most part law-abiding wageslaves and college students while niggers are a huge detriment to society

>>9067734
It might have to do partly with Africa historically getting fucked over by everyone.

The other parts, I dunno. Diseases and shit, maybe.

>>9067671
>weather explains everything
>hot = food everywhere, you don't have to think
>cold = you have to think to find food, to survive during winter
>compare an iq map and a weather map

>>9068012
>skin = brain
>you think with your skin!
>correlation = causation!

>>9067671
1.Absence of any impulse regulation in the brain
2.Absence of any complex abstract thought
3.Absence of empathy

>>9067708
>muh geography

>muh rainforest too hard
Indus Valley civilization and Khymer Empire
>muh desert too hard
LITERALLY THE FIRST FUCKING CIVILIZATIONS ON EARTH
>muh muh grassland too hard
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHH China
>muh muh mountains
Middle east again
>muh lack of closeness to Eurasia
Any civilization in the New World

Just shut up and admit that niggers are stupid.

Isn't it true that the Ancient Egyptians understood general relativity before Einstein?

>>9068012
Are you implying that climate (which affects basic things agriculture, water supply, permanent settlement etc) has nothing to do with this? It says it right there on the bottom text of the image retard. Seems like you'd fit in well with those low African IQs.

>>9067733
most retarded post of the year award

>>9067760
diamonds are worth fuck all if you've got shit agriculture so can't get any surplus and are stuck on the bottom of the hierarchy of needs, and don't have anyone to trade with. they're literally completely fucking useless. and then when a civilization advanced enough to travel that far down along africa finds that you have diamonds, they're just going to fucking steal them

>>9068033
guns germs and steel fuckboi you're missing 99/100 variables

>>9067671
Crude languages without the ability to describe abstractions or future events leading to >>9067677.

>>9067935
>law-abiding wageslaves
So you're proud of being a cuck?

>>9067732
Huge continent with low% arable land is still a lot of arable land. Canada is as orange as most of africa but still a net food exporter.
>>9067733
Everyone's shitting on this but fact is africa has fucktons of resources and has done nothing with them despite the required technology existing for hundreds of years.
>>9068037
no

>>9068113
>Everyone's shitting on this but fact is africa has fucktons of resources and has done nothing with them despite the required technology existing for hundreds of years.

But they have used the resources that were accessible with relative ease with what they had.

You have to fucking realize that many of the resources people jack off to are only accessible with modern tech to extract them and hopefully favorable market prices for said resources to sell for.

>Huge continent with low% arable land is still a lot of arable land. Canada is as orange as most of africa but still a net food exporter.

Because the fertile areas are extremely fertile as such and also carry the entire nation and is pretty young in terms of usage. Most African soil is heavily drained or farmed..

>>9067732
is this map considering irrigation or just naturally occurring land?

>>9067708
you're sort of right.

Eurasia is the most successful because the land goes mostly east to west. providing huge climate band. which means wide areas of similar food plants and food animals. allowing people to move and settle in lots of places. these people then kept trading along these wide bands and exchanged ideas. building off each other.

Africa and to some extend the Americas, run north to south. so your bands are narrower.

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>>9068188
I'm about to wreck you all at once:
Blacks do have lower IQs, fact.
Race isn't just skin deep you retards, look at the genetic differences between races, that would mean differences in the genes that control the development and operation of the brain.
Africa has sparse arable land, but still lots of it, due to being massive.
>But muh inedible shit?
What is trading you retard? That is, if they'd actually developed a complex language, but they didn't, because low IQ.
Face it, Africans, before MUH EVUL COLONSATION where useless.

>>9068241
bro we where all africans back in the day...

>>9068244
Mutative adapation.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>9067914
Maybe someone was bully by blacks in school every week.

>>9067732
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

>>9068354
This.

>>9068088
Take a linguistics class and say that again. Eejit.

>>9068433
But it is, they aren't as concise and able as European, Middle Eastern or Asian languages.

>>9068438
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Guess I'll build a civilization from nothing but fucking sand

Why haven't humans colonized space?
They have had the technology for hundreds of years but they waste their time murdering each other.

Following /pol/ logic humanity should embrace extermination should a more advanced group come to earth.

>>9067743
If you can't farm an excess of produce to feed miners, you won't go mining copper ore.

Most agricultural crops in sub-Saharan Africa were pretty low yield for the amount of work required, like native African rices, teff, etc.

Also historically, sS Africa didn't have nearly as large a population share as it does now, and it was distributed differently. Less noggins to be joggin.

>>9068447
No, man, it isn't.
There is a reason we don't use African languages for technical writing.

>>9068449
They had (before desertification) and still have more natural resources than Europe.
So, suck, a big, fat, dick.

>>9068450
I HATE it when /sci/ makes a false dichotomy and acts like its the only objective answer.
Off yourself.

>>9068461
>I HATE it when /sci/
Maybe you should go back to /pol/ then.

>>9068459
lelnope, not even close. The resources are just distributed between far fewer people.

>>9068455
And what's that reason, besides the fact that most technical papers are written by English speakers?

>>9068470
The language isn't descriptive enough.

>>9068468
And?

>>9068464
>No obvious /pol/ affiliation.
Try again.

>>9068477
You have 10 seconds to link to a detailed comparative analysis of the expressive power of various African languages or you're talking out of your ass

>>9068244
except the current oldest homo sapien is in europe.

>>9068483
Just look at vocabulary size.

>And?
I get that you're a brainlet, but this is too much...

It means that industrialisation is required to take advantage of it, because each region is in the arse end of nowhere, and each region is comparatively much less resource rich than even the shittiest areas of Europe.

Like seriously, farmers in Europe don't even know how much rain they get, because it's an irrelevant factor for them.

>>9068490
Are you seriously saying other languages are fundamentally limited by not having direct translations for cattywampus or widdershins?

>>9068497
Yes you dumbfuck?
If you have a limit of vocab you literally cannot describe as much as concisely.

>>9068491
Then why didn't they develop industry to transport the resources?
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AS SMART AS US.
Fucking obvious.

>>9068497
It's funny because each language has expressive and abstract religious phrases and words

>>9068499
You never showed us how though. You just sperged and did a "Cuz I say so" thing.

>>9068504
If you have less words, you have less methods for description, therefore it is less descriptive and if it is less descriptive... it is less accurate.

>>9067708

By >>9067732 arable land map
Canada & Norway have few arable land s
>while
Nigeria & Rwanda in Africa have plenty of Arable lands.

So how can >>9067708 explain that Canada & Norway are much more developed than Nigeria & Rwanda?

>>9068500
jesus how do you even operate a computer? color me impressed

>developing industry without surplus
>developing anything without surplus
legit just kill yourself right now

>>9067671

>>9068506
You know nothing about linguistics. I want academic papers anon, not bs made up on the spot.

>>9068499
Do you realize how redundant most vocabulary is?

Name one (1) example of a missing word in a language that detrimentally hurts it in a practical way.

>>9067671
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>>9068511
The literal opposite is true:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-level_equilibrium_trap
Necessity is the mother of invention.
However, if you lack the intuitive intellect to innovate, even in times of dire necessity, no invention occurs.
In fact, that's a rather good example of the "clean water crisis".
If they had intuition that would figure out methods of purification (such as evaporation and condensation), but they don't.

>>9067671
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>>9068510
>Nigeria & Rwanda in Africa have plenty of Arable lands.

Not really. Look at the map, the history if those places and the statement and try to think about itvagai

>>9068516
If you cannot follow that basic line of thought, then I'm surprised you even have any grasp of the human language.
Take an apple.
People B have a name for apple, they can concisely describe and apple to you.
People C cannot.
Who is people A going to trade with for their apples?

>>9068518
Not an argument and it doesn't pertain to the question at hand.
Does Swahili have a term for manifold?

>>9067671
This White Guy is more advanced than Most Africans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73REgj-3UE

>>9068523
Are You Blind? T

The >>9067732 map shows that Nigeria & Rwanda in Africa have plenty of Arable lands.

The opposite of what you believe.

>>9068526
It's plain stupid to think african languages have difficulty describing shit bexcuse the obviously do. I bet you believe that afriend languages have no concept of time as well.

Also most languages don't have a word for that. Good thing you can just borrow it from English or make up a new word based on previous concepts you moron.

>>9068529
Answer the question.
Does Swahili have a term for manifold?
If it doesn't, it isn't a very useful technical language is it you fucking goon.

>>9068528
Because the amount if land per farmer us completely different as well as the size if it. Rwanda has a high % if arable land but the quality is unknown and it's small as hell in a crowded little nation.

>>9068529
Also, using a loanword means that the white mans language is better, which means...

>>9068526

>>9068531
They just use the word manifold just like other languages do anon.

>>9068536
Proved nothing.

>>9068538
Do you know what that means?
You just proved my original argument correct, good job, you disproved yourself.
I said English is the more descriptive language, if they have to use an English loanword, that means English IS OBJECTIVELY more descriptive than their language.
By their and by your own admission.

Fucking lol. :'D

>>9068536
>>9068543
>This is what that translates back into.

>>9067671
>Lack of ports and navigable rivers
>The Sahara desert blocking access to more advanced civilizations
>Shitty seasons

>>9068518
Madrugada. Engañar. Viveza.

>>9068567
Are these archaic Spanish terms, or?

>>9068543
[Gemütlichkeit intensifies]
o fugg looks like English just got cucked by Big Deutsch Cock :DDD

>>9068614
F-fuck you!

The three basic needs for human life are food, water, and shelter. When you live on a continent where all 3 of those things are hard to come by, you aren't going to get shit done in the way of great works.

>>9068619
They should've just migrated, before the modern era, of course.

>>9068621
They did, and they became white people and asians and then they finally could build cool stuff

>>9068627
They should've all migrated and then we wouldn't have the "black problem".

>>9068629
Well we could still just kill them all off. A few ICBMs will do the trick. No more niggers!

>>9068543
>state of /sci/ linguistics
kys brainlet

>>9068617
I must admit, I'm feeling a tinge of Schadenfreude. What's the English word for zat again? Oh, zat's richtig, schadenfreude mit ein teeny tiny kleine 's'

Hehe, kleines englische Wortschatz :^)))

>>9068637
Not an argument, faggot.
Mad about getting BTFO?
Nawh, poor baby. :3

>>9068638
English is Germanic, Fritz.
You know that well, stop bullying us. :(

>>9068638
Either you're an actual retard who can't speak your own language or using google translate very poorly

>>9068645
>What is a joke?
Are you unironically low-functioning autistic?

>>9068645
Or I'm not either, and just injecting TEUTONISMUS into my comments for comedic effect.

>>9068638
kek

Does /pol/ honestly believe the majority of Africans live in mud huts?

It's not hard to google a picture of Nairobi or any other major city on the continent.

>>9068663
Yeah, that the white man built of them.
Nice sophistry though.

>>9067671
Humans have been around for a long time... Africa cultivated many civilizations, but conquerors write the history and shape the future.

>>9068701
More sophistry.
Sadly, that's not a substitute for facts.

>>9067671
A subhuman iq.

>>9068510
But Canada and Norway weren't worth shit until they were colonized from outside.

>>9067671
They dindu nuffin

>>9067671
Tropical environments are riddled with diseases and food rots much faster. Majority of the time is spent on gathering food and creating more offspring to overcome high child mortality. And then there is violence between tribes and clans.

Since all their time goes to basic survival, they can not spend much time on "anything of value". Corrupt governments also steal all the money aimed to improve the land.

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>>9068522
This is Europe RIGHT NOW XD

>>9068663
>nairobi
>Africans

Kek

>>9068433
>>9068483
https://whitelocust.wordpress.com/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners/

>>9067733
>eating uranium, petrol, and diamonds

>>9067733
nice my dude im sure those fossil fuels and precious metals will come in MAD handy when you are a developing society, there is NO WAY that having enough food would be more important. actually kys

>>9067708
>It's just simple geography.

But Native Americans were even more isolated than Africa, yet, their civilization flourished.

>>9069056
what went wrong
we could've saved them

>>9069060
They died

>>9069060
>>9069062
They were conquered by a more advanced race.

>>9067671
As much as I hate to admit it...
The west has always been full of vicious bastards...
If they had had more time their "Witch Doctors" would have eventually gotten to our "Alchemists/Wizards" level of understanding and then gunpowder would have washed over our lands like a hell storm. Now everyone just strives to become the ideal scientist...

:(

>>9068082
>guns grow on trees
>germs only in Africa (fucking black pleague)
>Africa has iron

>>9068532
Crowded... xD
>a nation that offed about half of its population is crowded

>>9067708
How do you explain large African kingdoms like Ethiopia then? Which eventually collapsed

>>9067671
They is kings.
No need to accomplish anything.

>>9067728
I think the point he's trying to make is that with Africa's abundance of natural resources. it became favorable to colonize and brutalize the entire continent. And when the age of colonialism fell the new states governments were comprised of a bunch of uneducated barbarian niggers and now were left with the mess

>>9068017
Race implies in certain fenotypes and intelligence. Skin tone and IQ are both consequential from genetics, smartass.

>>9068170
>modern
What is the bronze age?

>>9067671
inferior genes

/thread

>>9068447
There is literally a African language which they don't have words for colours. COLOURS!

There is another one which I know doesn't have temporal concept. " I wrote a book, I will travel to Paris" literally becomes "I write book, travel to Paris". This is Paleolithic-tier reasoning.

>>9069419
>fenotypes
P

>>9068967
So Europeans evolved better because of harsh conditions, but Africans stayed in prehistoric times because of harsh conditions. This really makes me of thinks...

>>9069451
Phenotypes. Sorry. Phucking English.

>>9068691
This looks slightly newer than 1960 when the Brits left Nigeria.

>>9067728
All of those government are just hoarding resource to stroke their egos. Social science articles show that money doesn't really matter to happiness beyond a 70000$ dollar income. Face it, they're just hoarding wealth just to feel better about themselves.

>>9068968
These are Gypsies/Romani People. Brown Skin Immigrants. Which came from the Pajeet Land.

Gypsies enriched Europe with their Pajeet Style Slums.

Which are very common in their original homeland, India.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

>>9069441
>There is literally a African language which they don't have words for colours. COLOURS!

Which one? Just post it lol

>>9069139
It's has a high population density

>>9069781
Not him, but he is mistaking a Amazon tribe. But there are many African ones with five or less words. I'm in a phone, so search it for yourself.

>>9069771
She looks white to me

>>9067671
The environment is naturally shitty. For instance, I can't believe no one has mentioned this little guy.

>>9070070
yea im not reading the thread, but disease is an enormous problem in a very hot climate where there is no summer-winter cycle, Africa being one of them.
the obvious answer is they had little useful soil, and low natural resources able to be utilized at the time. And now that it's discovered they have extremely valuable ore/elements, they are too underdeveloped from the previous reasons to extract and sell them

>>9070074
It's total ass to make money off agriculture because the prices are fucked world wide both for food crops and cash crops.

>>9067671
Read Guns, Germs, and Steel.

>>9068701
>Humans
But we were talking about Africans.

>>9070084
Guns, Germs, and Steel is too PC, they left out the most important variables, IQ.

>>9067671
low IQ, because survival in the area was different. Less agricultural based and more abundant sources of food year round. Meaning lower IQ is fine at surviving and the main things you need are physical aggression, tribalism, and resistance to disease and virus.

IQ was never selected that high. Similar to most jungle / year round similar weather areas. If you look at Europe/Middle east/ North Africa/Asia there is regular trade or harsh environments that require more planning.

>>9070078
no i meant back when culture and technology was taking off, they didnt have the same level of nutrition as other areas due to their non-arable land. The resources they do possess had no real impact on their development since it's all underground. Now it's extremely valuable because we know of it and how to extract it, but they lack the technology/wealth to do so themselves.

>>9070139
This is like flat-earth tier reasoning at this point.

>>9067708

> Be Europe
> Be plagued by wars, famine, diseases (black death)
> Be top tier continent


makes sense

>>9067708 >>9067732
Arabs live in a Desert with Scarce Water & Arable Land. Much harsher environment than Sub-Saharan Africa.

Ancient Civilizations in Middle East were much more advanced than Africa Today.

Desertic Middle East had much more advanced civilizations than Africa Today.

Muslims created Algebra & Trigonometry. Muslims defeated European Constantinople & dominated Balkans until WW1.

Latin America, India & Southeast Asia live in Similar Climates to Africa Jungles.

But Native Americans (Maya, Aztec, Inca) & Ancient India & Southeast Asia were much more advanced than Africa Today

But Native Americans, Indians & Southeast Asians created much better civilization than Africa today.

Today Europeans, Jews & East Asians are the most advanced.

Israel is located in a Desert!!!!, but have higher GDP than the Sub-Saharan Africa.

>>9067671
The Romans and the Greeks were pretty much the only civilizations in Europe. The rest of Europe was also populated by mud huts until the Romans conquered them

Gun, Germs, and Steel

>>9067671
obviously because there was any pressure in africa to form a civilization

the african people were well and fine in their natural hunter-gatherer state, probably living lives happier than we do today

>>9070168
>Be Europe
>Be plagued by wars
>That are only possible on the scale they were because massive population
>Famine
>That only happened because of the massive population
>Disease
>That despite happening, Europe post-black plague still had a population that outstripped an equivalent area in Africa

Why is it retards seem to forget that Europe had absurd population density in comparison to the rest of the world until modern times and the only reason Africa population has surpassed it is because technology + foreign aid

>>9069069
>"advanced"
>the only real advantage they had were guns
>And diseases brought by africans

>>9070223
It's is pretty much due to medical advances and technology

>>9070213
>african people
>african
>people
What did he mean by this?

>>9067671
niggers are dumb, and it didn't help that they got a bad spawn point on the map

>>9070223
>the only reason Africa population has surpassed it is because technology + foreign aid

Africa is not even close in matching Europe's pop density.

No seasons = No evolutionary pressure on IQ and time preferences.

Shit's too huge to travel across, travel is difficult in deserts and rainforests, crazy huge killer animals, too many different warring tribes.

>>9070867
>too many different warring tribes
That just reinforces OP's point. What the hell? They had enough space and didn't use it.

>>9070871
OP doesn't even have a point, he posted a question.

Its hard to form an empire when there are 60 factions fighting you and each other. Africans hate each other.

>>9070435
>niggers are dumb
/thread

>>9070874
Yeah Europeans always got along with each other.

https://youtu.be/Yyu79Xb4gLc?t=1m50s

>>9070881
When did this topic become about Europe?

>>9070884
When it's history rendered this

>Its hard to form an empire when there are 60 factions fighting you and each other.

Invalid

>>9070096
>Guns, Germs, and Steel is too PC, they left out the most important variables, IQ.

It seems like a Jew wrote it to as an argument against white supremacy views.

>>9070864
hey look i can make one of these too

To be fair I cannot name any major civilisations that emerged in equatorial jungle or in inhospitable deserts.

>>9070096
he claims papua new guineans are the smartest race though. otherwise everyone is the same.

>>9070966
not really, he says something like "if anything they're smarter" but that's really just trying to get the point across that he thinks they aren't retarded or at least little bit dumber. he's just overcompensating

>>9070979
no, he is very clear about it

>>9070990
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>>9070966
I read one of Diamond's books about tribal papuans and I got the impression that he values their pre-capitalist mentality, which isn't the same as claiming they are smarter than other humans.

>>9070990
he doesn't explicitly state that he thinks they're smarter than us. it's more along the lines of what the above anon said

>>9069456
Mediterranean area and Western Europe isn't harsh. The only harsh area in Europe is north. And people in the north were still hunter-gatherers while Mediterranean civilizations flourished.

>>9071000
>>9071017
He is very explicit about it. Don't know why people get so defensive whenever this gets mentioned.

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>>9071018
ur trying to communicate with a brain-dead /pol/ frequenter that thinks all of human history can be explained by "niggers r stupid"

there is certainly no communicating with these people

>>9067708
>It's just simple geography hurr hurr
>Mentions Arabs and their caliphates
>Mongolia, and all the 'stans
>Implying Turks, Mongols, Parthians never achieved anything
/his/ here, stop talking out your ass, there's no excuse for sub-Saharan Africa.

>>9071018
>And people in the north were still hunter-gatherers while Mediterranean civilizations flourished.
No, they weren't. You clearly do not know any history.
>>9071025
And you Diamondfags think all of human history can be explained by "LUL GEOGRAPHY ARN'T I SMURT HISTORY IS A SCIENCE AFTER ALL!2" Diamond's shitty little book isn't considered good by academics, only journalists and such liked it. Geographical determinism is a long abandoned school of thought when it comes to history and anthropology.

>>9071027
>there's no excuse for sub-Saharan Africa

Rainforests are not a good place to practice agriculture. The soil is not fertile, and is completely dependent on the constant decay of organic matter.

>>9071040
Tell me, what did Northern Europeans accomplish in 400 BC?

>>9071044
>Tell me, what did Northern Europeans accomplish in 400 BC?
You're moving goalposts now my friendo. You claimed they were hunter gatherers, when for example Finland has been at least partially an agricultural society since 5300BC (https://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.helsinki.fi%2Fhum%2Fajankohtaista%2F2013%2F01%2F0128b.htm&edit-text=&act=url))
I'm sure the rest of the Nordics can find out similar details about their own regions.

As for why there are no great ruins etc in northern Europe or Western Europe in general that are old: Why would there be? Western and Northern Europeans didn't have marble or other easily accessible rock you could use to build structures. Northern and Western Europeans made their structures from wood, and wood rots. But this is is irrelevant. I'm not here to prove or try to claim that Northern Europeans did something great, just that you were wrong in your statement.

>>9071050
>a couple of shitty farms

>>9071042
Anon for fuck sake the Aztecs lived in the jungles of Central America with no link to Eurasia yet still did fine.

>>9068967
>implying niggers even knew what rotting was or that food rots after some time.
Anon they never think in the future thus temporal processes are incomprehensible to them, everything is instant to a nigger.

IQ statistics show that racist, right wing leaning people are 1 SD below average.

You don't really have what it takes to understand geography and anthropology.

>>9071325
Some are awarded the Nobel prize.

geologist here

The land.

The bronze age began because of access to copper deposits in Crete
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024493702001652

Name one singe surficial ophiolite in Africa.

China had access to large river systems and inland salt deposits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_salt
name one salt deposit in all of interior Africa easily accessible by natives.

North Africa is a desert, central Africa is laterite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterite
Best of luck growing anything in fucking laterite. This is also why no significant civilization ever existed in the tropics. And no, before anyone tries, Peru doesn't count because they had access to mountains which provided temperate climate and soils.

Outside of Egypt, South Africa was the only place on the continent worth colonizing in ancient times but it was inaccessible to trade routes. The free flow of information was absolutely necessary for the development of civilization. By the time the interior of Africa was accessible foreign powers had the steam engine. Hardly a fair fight when the natives were using rocks and sticks.

>>9071372
>I can name a single scientist who goes against every other scientist studying genetics. So I win
Nope. I don't care who he is or what awards he's got.

>>9071417
Plenty of scientist studying genetics agree that genes have influence on IQ. Can you name one that does not agree?

>>9067671
They're closer to animals than other races. Thicker skin and bones, more primitive skull and brain structure. They actually mature faster in the womb and are born earlier. Exactly the pattern among the animal kingdom.

It's obvious when you stop regurgitating liberal brainwashing and start thinking.

>>9071372

James Watson is not a racist.

There is a difference between pointing out a statistical observation about IQ, and what you guys are doing.

The innate yearning you have to hate and belittle a whole continent of different ethnicities, stems from your insecurities; being the bottom of the barrel throughout your whole lives, you strive to find, or in this case make up, a fantasy in which you are superior to some people.

Pathetic losers.

>>9071448
>stems from your insecurities

Ha ha!!

That old liberal chestnut. Everything is the result of the environment, unless you're racist, then it's personal.

>>9071453

What is it with brainlets like you and your religious battles with everything and everyone? What a shitty spiteful individual. Everything is us v. them for you.

Just go do something productive, fucking moron. What do you gain from wasting your time on the Internet spreading hate?

>>9071463
I didn't mention religion.

Only the contradictory drivel at the heart of liberal propaganda. Seems like that's enough to make you flip.

I'd suggest that's it's you who believes in religious nonsense. Nature doesn't care about our feelings or politics.

>>9071467

Keep hating. Keep supporting "your team" while fight "de libruuls".

The Flintstones are looking for a new cast member, just in case you're interested.

>>9071050
>As for why there are no great ruins etc in northern Europe or Western Europe in general that are old: Why would there be? Western and Northern Europeans didn't have marble or other easily accessible rock you could use to build structures.
You JUST said in your last post that geographical determinism is bullshit...

>>9071473
>Western and Northern Europeans didn't have marble or other easily accessible rock you could use to build structures.

The UK is full of castles and stone buildings.

>>9071473
I did, and it's still true. Geography does matter especially in the bigger bicture, and it changes some things but not enough for geographical determinism to be valid. The point about stone vs wood is one of those inconsequential things.

>>9071478
We were talking about the ancient world here, the UK does not have anything on par with Egypt, Greece etc from that period.

>white liberal
>lived in Africa for a whole year, doing missionary work
>kept being surprised by how normal, civilized, peaceful, educated and intelligent Africans are
>tfw you realise you are subconsciously racist

I've honestly met all kinds of wonderful people there. Some of them way, more successful than I'll ever bit.

The white liberal Clintonesque racism isn't that much better than the run of the mill conservative racism. Africans are just humans, not poor helpless nigglets that need to be taken care of, by the white man.

>>9071482
Muh Stonehenge

Which is more ancient than Egypt Pyramids by the way.

Built in Stone Age. The oldest construction in Europe still standing.

>>9071482 BTFO

>>9071487
So why the poorness ? Don't reply with the "arrteefeeshul coolonial boarders" meme, we know the problem comes from much earlier than that

>>9071510

For the same reason that West Virgina is poor. Geography.

>>9071527
... and history obviously. Various locations have gone through times of wealth and times of squalor. The entirety of circumstances has many factors.

>>9071510
it's hard to have an agricultural revolution when all your beasts of burden keep succumbing to tsetse fly- transmitted disease. If you can't get a strong agricultural economy going, it's difficult to get a strong industrial economy going, and thus it's difficult to be wealthy. Of course, modern technology can overcome a lot of this, but Africa can't take advantage of the tech because they never became wealthy enough to secure ownership of their tech. That opens the flood gates to exploitation of natural resources by foreign interests, which essentially extract all material wealth from an area and ship it else where, leaving the exploited people out of the loop and even poorer than when they started because now they don't even have their natural resources anymore.

Why does /pol/ want an excuse to be racist so much?

>>9068012
>sierra leone
/pol/ btfo

>>9071487
>African
>peaceful
Yh sure just move anywhere other white people arent and see what the niggers will actually do to you cuck.

Most missionaries end as racist because they see actual feral nigger behavior up front and are unable to view blacks as people anymore.

>>9071706
Sad how the /pol/tard gets so corrupt from his own anger that he cannot construct a coherent sentence anymore.

>>9071709
>/pol/tard
Your an insane liberal even if a mob of africans came to necklace you for no reason you wouldnt see how mentally different they are from us. Go back to Africa no go to South Africa and live in an area full of blacks and you will see what your precious monkeys think of your stupid white ass.

>>9068527
It took 800 million people and 100,000 years to make that one house out of mud bricks? Woah

>>9071722
I'm not white but thanks for already losing the argument by using ad hominem.

>>9071724
One even wonders how africans build mud huts considering they are so selfish and stupid the thought of doing so would never pop in their brain like Australian Aboriginals, most likely more intelligent negros designed the mud huts then forced negros to build them for them. I cant see blacks making mudhuts as that would imply these creatures have empathy or care about eachother rather they live in open wilderness like the stupid animals they are.

>>9071730
Why don't you live there and see how hard it is to survive on the land, then? Are you afraid you will be ripped open by the wildlife? Or have to suffer with malaria or ebola-chan? Or have to deal with competing cultures, languages, and traditions?
Kek, you're such an immature cowardly child. Good thing murricans get their food at the Wal-Mart.

>>9071738
Surviving is easy once you can track down food, in Africa there is food everywhere so you dont even need to think to live thats why blacks are so fucking stupid. Where as in Eurasia the food is harder to get to thus you need to be thinky thinky to live so the impulsive eurasians became a genetic minority in favor of intelligent ones, most of our violent criminals are relics of the genes of these ancient impulsive eurasian savages.

Africa is so easy to live in that whites turned swaths of that continent into first world countries once they got pass the UV radiation.

>>9071746
>in Africa there is food everywhere
Yep, you're retarded.

>>9070913
Hey it's truth. Blacks have a lower IQ and it's genetic.

You can get butt hurt about it or you can recognize that acknowledging the truth is the first step to fixing things.

Once genetic manipulation becomes easy you and all your liberal pals can pay to have it changed.

>>9071705
>91

borderline retarded

>>9071756
No one on /sci/ is liberal you baiting autist.

>>9071749
The nigger menace began in the jungles of Africa then spreaded out, for some unexplained reason blacks that evolved in the Sahara and Namibian deserts are just as feral and impulsive as the ones in savanna and jungles showing its an absolute dominant racial behavior in these lifeforms anon. Even though deserts should boost intelligence due to the challenges in staying alive the niggers in Mali, Somalia and Chad are some of the most uncivilized deranged lifeforms on this planet. They were so feral that they are the actual origin of black racism, the Egyptians saw these wild animals and wrote about them which was passed on to the Sumerians then the rest of the middle east. The arabs came in the Sahara and met these things and spreaded these ideas to Europe and India. The European is probably the only human race that has ever encountered the jungle negro before, all others have encountered the desert savages.

The idea of niggers being monsters makes sense since look at it from a Eurasian perspective, they are violent uncaring humanoid creatures wandering in a barren wasteland killing anything they see.

>>9071757
So having schizophrenia makes you borderline retarded? Sorry bro.

>>9071761
>the nigger menace
So I'm supposed to take you seriously when you start a sentence like that?

>>9071765
Blacks are a menace to civlization, you clearly dont live around them thats why you think they are fine.

>>9071760
Could've fooled me. You guys are jumping through hoops to avoid the obvious since it's politically incorrect.

Some races were exposed to different environments and they evolved differently.

>>9068638
BEADY EYED ANGLOS REKT

>>9067671
You share a narrow-minded perspective with many others here. The truth is, Africa like many places of the world has had its good and bad times, its empires have risen and fell (yes, they WUZ kangs), but now it's reverted back to being a poverty ridden shithole.

>>9070867
Yeh sorry but no

>>9071776
I am black

>>9071487
>not poor helpless nigglets that need to be taken care of, by the white man.

No one believes that though at all.

>>9071885
Embrace the truth. Genetic engineering is your only salvation. Your people will be forever trapped at average IQ 85. All the social programs and money in the world won't change that. All the sobbing about white privilege will do nothing. Only CRISPR or something like it can change the destiny of your brethren.

>>9071915
I have an IQ of 128 so I am fine, thanks.

>>9071972
And you'll do just as well as whites and Asians with an IQ of 128.

And all the the blacks with an IQ of 85 will do just as well as the whites and Asians with an IQ of 85.

>>9071993
And you'll do just as well as a schizophrenic with 91 IQ.

>>9071993
Not really, he will do very well than whites and Asians with an IQ of 128 because of affirmative action.

>>9067671
What's the scientific reasoning for not staying in your containment board?

>>9072006
https://youtu.be/dn4LaowsGiA?t=56m55s

>>9072031
My white sister got into a good med school with average grades because the town she lives in (moved in with her husband there) needs doctors and she wanted to help solve that. They picked her over some generic white or Asian guy getting in because mommy and daddy wanted their kid to be a doctor or urban doctor #1000.

>>9072031
Time to get into Harvard while /pol/ struggles to hold a job at McDonald's.

>>9072031
It is stats like this that makes me think that black people are really smart and white people must be retarded (for context, I'm hispanic)

I mean, think about it. Black people used to be fucking slaves. They couldn't vote, own property or even direct their own loves. Every black had an owner who controlled them.

They went from that, from being the opressed, to being a protected class. White people are now second class citizens in their own nations. How the fuck did black people achieve this? It is amazing.

It makes me think of that meme that says "Speech- 100" because black people had no army, no political power and no economic control and yet they made all of this happen.

And how did white people let it happen? Are whites fucking retarded?

>>9071993
With IQ of 128, a black student will be accepted by all 8 Ivy League schools. For asian or white, you would be lucky just to be accepted by 1 Ivy League schools.

>>9072106
This. Harsh environments (like slavery) trigger the evolution of superior intelligence. Whites never even had it as bad, so there's no way they can be as intelligent.

>>9072294
>Whites never even had it as bad
Lad, white people =/= Western Europe

>>9072106
>And how did white people let it happen? Are whites fucking retarded?
Whites didn't let it happen, whites made it happen
Equality and humanist guilt are prioritized over competition and survival, followed by self-destructive movements that not only support the strengthening the "other", but also the weakening of the "us"

>>9072106
Liberalism and white guilt.

>>9072337
If a race can be deluded into thinking that they are inherently bad and inferior, doesn't that mean that such a race is retarded?

I mean, how could white guilt exist if white people weren't stupid and gullible? It sounds to me like whites must be really braindead.

>>9068767
why everyone avoids the truth? is it to difficult to just admit reality?

>>9072358
There's sort of a flaw in this whole plan.

>>9071782 >>9067671

Do you guys realise you are arguing with mentally ill people?

>>9072106
>And how did white people let it happen? Are whites fucking retarded?

Don't you get it? Whites didn't do it... nature did. Pressure is being applied to the alpha predator that will cause a severe recoil.

It's only a matter of time.

>>9072375
That is an interesting event but it is not representative of black intelligence. The government did a bad decision for self interest. I'd say that as the government took the land, the president is making tons of money while the population starves.

Typical case of greedy politician really. I mean, everyone knows that destroying your country's economic infra structure is a bad idea. But if you destroy it to then give the remains to your rich friends to have a monopoly then you get profit from that bad idea.

>>9072443
It's a bit deeper than mental illness. Leftists are highly deluded that's for sure but it's the peer pressure and social approval that really allows them to maintain such seemingly insane positions.

If they could agree that evolution and DNA could account for ethnic IQ disparities without fear of social ostracism and losing jobs and relationships a lot of them would accept the obvious.

>>9072651
And yet science backs them up. I guess the studies done are just puppets of the leftist agenda. It's all a conspiracy!!!

>>9072722
Science backed the right, not the left.

>>9072818
>the right
Not even the right agrees with this insane "race realist" movement. It's a bunch of alt-right conspiracy nuts on par with flat-earthers.

>>9067671
No need for advancement. What I mean is maybe africans were content being dirt farmers so to speak.

actually were the ones who fucked up africa by the slave trade when we gave weapons for slave
introducing weapons too advanced for their growing culture and then brought the whole thing to shit

>>9072106
>I'm hispanic
So in other words you're not human?

thats a race dipshit not a different species

>>9072106
>White people are now second class citizens in their own nations.

You are retarded in every sense of the word.

how the fuck are white people second class citizens I cant go anywhere without seeing a cracker

>>9071410
Informative, thank you.

op is a white supremist

>>9067671
"Value" is subjective

>>9067718
>water
>easily domesticatable animals
I think those are important

>>9068992
>whitelocust.wordpress.com
Lel I'm not reading that

>>9067671
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>>9070192
>cherrypicking images of huts
You know that there are other, more complex buildings in Africa, right? And that there are simple huts and shacks in other places around the world?

>>9068468
https://youtu.be/A0C4_88ub_M

educate yourself niger

>>9071410
>someone replying with actual relevant scientific knowledge and experience
>on /sci/
It's amazing how rare this is.

>>9067671
hardmode

>>9067671
Think of this, why did Carthage attack Rome knowing there were large amounts of resources south?
Because the area is hostile to trade and quality of life in general.
The only people who went south before colonialism were the Moors.
The Romans noped, the Greeks, the Persians as well, the Assyrians, arabs, etc

>>9072832
So what is your position? That the IQ disparities are caused by racism? Then why do East Asians do better than whites?

>>9073056
They cheat, and even the ones with higher IQ aren't as creative as whites

>>9073207
Again with the excuses.
Always a reason to shit on those above you, always a reason to deny those above you.

>>9067671
They're niggers

>>9067671
Stop posting the same thread topic with the same image and filename every fucking day on various boards, i'm sick of seeing it. You sad little retard.

>>9073207
>They cheat, and even the ones with higher IQ aren't as creative as whites

Kys, please. Just do it.

>>9073207
Yes please kys

Please do it

>>9073243
>>9073264
Don't be so anti-life.

Can Africans be considered human? Genuine question here.

>>9067736
>>9067748
>>9067756
etc

Plenty of selective reading here, incapable of seeing timer, fish and iron and copper ore. Copper ore was essential for the bronze age, a highly valuable product.

Basically Africa had the resources to kick start the bronze age and iron age a long time before Europe did.

>>9073534
back in the 1800s they are not.

>>9071410
>Central Africa is laterite, good luck growing anything in fucking laterite.
>This is also why no significant civilization ever existed in the tropics.

The Pic is a Mayan Pyramid built in Tropical Climate.

List of Civilization in Tropics:
India, Mayan, Thailand, Vietnam, Khmer (Cambodia), Indonesia, Taiwan, Malaysia, Myanmar, Singapore, Philippines.

Brazil grow plenty of food in Laterite
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Brazil

The Conclusion is that >>9071410 is wrong.

Niggers can't grow because they are more retarded, dumber, less evolved & closer to Apes. Just it.

>>9071372
Yeah, for a specific discovery half a century ago.
Founding a field doesn't magically make you the best person ever at it.
Freud is remembered because he developed and popularised the treatment of mental disorders as illnesses, but his actual theories have long since been debunked.
Watson helped determine the physical structure of DNA. That doesn't mean he implicitly knows all there is to know about it, and the fact you think it does shows you don't understand the scientific method.

>>9071410
>>9073718
The difference in posting style alone (not to mention capitalisation) is all I need to look at to know which side is more credible.
The accurate science is just a bonus.

>>9071510
Because the first world literally robbed them blind during the colonial period, and continues to prey on them through multinational corporations.

Before British colonisation, India accounted for over a third of the world's economy. Afterwards it was just 3%. And now, if third world countries could export their natural resources for the value they're eventually bought for, their economies could take off - but instead, all the resources are bought up for a pittance by transnationals that pay their miners in pennies while they make obscene profits.

>>9071782
Whoa, it's almost like that's an exact map of how much money each of those countries has to send their kids to school

>>9072375
>britain_after_brexit.jpg

>>9072474
>I mean, everyone knows that destroying your country's economic infra structure is a bad idea.
Really.

So how do you explain what happened to education in South Africa? Schools were not given priority so now they lack people capable of leading and running mining operations which lead to mines being closed due to lack of skilled workforce which, surprise surprise, lead to financial meltdown.

After all mining is one of the most important sources of foreign currencies in South Africa. Or rather it was.

>>9072651

Get yourself checked. You need help.

>>9073807
Not an argument.

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>>9068188
I'm about to wreck you all at once:
Blacks do have lower IQs, fact.
Race isn't just skin deep you retards, look at the genetic differences between races, that would mean differences in the genes that control the development and operation of the brain.
Africa has sparse arable land, but still lots of it, due to being massive.
>But muh inedible shit?
What is trading you retard? That is, if they'd actually developed a complex language, but they didn't, because low IQ.
Face it, Africans, before MUH EVUL COLONSATION where useless.

>>9073792
Mining got fucked in south Africa due to key mineral prices being fucked in the ass low.

>>9067671
>scientifically quantifiying the philosophical concept of value

>thinking living in african hut without a western central bank is bad.

stop justifying your own racism

>>9074586
Still no reason to destroy the educational system.

>>9075208
when students do not want to learn is a good reason.

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>>9068012

Take it youre from Sub-Saharan Africa using that graphic to support that assertion