/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8948597
Before someone tears into this bait, what is significant in the Paris accord?
From what I understand it shifts the burden from the biggest polluters and projected polluters (China and India) and onto Europe and the US who have been decreasing emissions.

>>8948597
Kys

>>8948599
Not only this, but it's an agreement. It literally means fucking nothing in terms of commitment to dealing with agw.

>>8948599
Yeah it's self set. China doesn't have to do anything before 2030 for example. It's basically a self-cuck pledge that only Europe and USA will follow.

>>8948602
If followed it will reduce temperature by 0.05 celsius.

It's basically worthless. You could give the 5 billion to technological innovation and get more of a return than this global deal does.

Russia's agreement increases their carbon

An analogy

Scientifically speaking this changes nothing. If the most extremist views are imagined. We can imagine the paris climate accord as launching off a cliff at 45 mph instead of at 47 mph.

>(a) Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels

Hahaha! Nigga it's already too late, I hope this planet burns, fuck humanity, you were given stewardship of God's creation and you fucked it up all for muh economy. Your avarice will come back to haunt you on the final day.

>>8948609
It's a hilarious agreement. Some countries "agreed" to only do things differently after 2030. Which means they can literally just leave the agreement in 2030 and cuck everyone else in it.

>>8948602
It's not even a formal agreement. It's basically a "framework" agreement for offsets/carbon trading market shenanigans and foreign aid bribes.

It's a way for a handful of people in the carbon market to get rich and does sweet fuck all to stop climate change.

The general consensus is we passed the point of no return a few decades ago and essentially all we should be doing now is pouring money into future proofed methods of harvesting food and water, and preparing our countries for both the flood of water and flood of wars caused by collapsing countries that run out of resources.

Tinkering around with carbon offsets and making a handful of people rich technically drives incentives to manufacture said future proof technology but if I were Trump I'd tell everybody to fuck off too and put that money into innovation not hand it to 3rd world shitholes.

>>8948597
leftists are literally insane

>>8948597
>Climate change is obvious BS

sigh

>>8948618
yeah the worst part is the "gifts" that EU and USA give to 3rd world as part of it. That is just irresponsible use of taxpayer money and why globalists should all be executed for thievery.

>>8948621
>muh children
>muh butthurt feelings
kys shlomo

>>8948606
There won't be a world left to have that innovation if climate change isn't stopped.

>>8948618
>a few decades ago

Fuck off. A few decades ago it wasn't even a problem. But we're pumping so much shit into the atmosphere that it is a big one now.

We are all going to be killed by climate change and Trump will be the one who did it. I can't accept this. He needs to be impeached right fucking now.

>>8948597
As in global cooling deal ?

>>8948597
He won't leave the Paris agreement.

It actually is rather important and if /pol/fags had 2 brain cells they'd realize it's politically good for the right that it exists. It basically gives them excuse to say "Look, we have the Paris agreement, we will try to keep the warming below 1.5 degrees - you can shut up about global warming now, just shut up about it." But I suppose that would be admitting the reality that the warming is real and a problem that we have to deal with, which leads to real conversations instead of - "It's not real guys, here Stefan Molyneux explains why". Plus it's an international agreement, muh globalism.

Aside from that, the US will not leave the agreement, because people around Trump realize it's actually important to keep warming below 1.5. This is why he hasn't left it until now despite his embarrassing tweets about it.

You're a retard. Kind of story.

Sage.

Great example for China and Africa to follow. Good job. Religionwashed rednecks should be proud of themselves.

>>8948759
Scratch that.
He's already effectively pulled from it.

Impeach him. I don't know what to say.

>>8948621
eat cyanide you spastic fuck

>>8948757
Dude, that's a well known myth. Stop pretending that it was actually a thing, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZACfGmZqio

Nah, he won't leave. I'm sure Trump will announce America's reinvigorated leadership role in enforcing the Paris deal.

That's what's going to happen, logically speaking. This is a stunt with Trump's tweet - he makes people think US will leave agreement only a few days later to prove all the skeptics WRONG.

MAGA

>>8948737
It's that we're approaching a tipping point somewhere between 1.5C and 2C, an analogue of fire escaping the fireplace will happen.
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=17m45s

>>8948599
...and who are responsible for most of the CO2 that is already in the atmosphere.

>>8948877
EVEN disregarding that the US and EU-27 emissions are both higher than India's.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

>b-but altruistic naive good hearted white people are victims again, cucking again to the brown menace
Yeah nah

Giant pointless international agreements designed to surrender our sovereignty & destroy our economies

How about no thanks

NATIONALISM, NOT GLOBALISM thanks

>>8948759
Global warming isn't even real

>>8948883
You don't have to troll.
There's plenty of people who think like that.

This isn't a game or a joke.

We're all going to die someone impeach drumpf fast before its too late.

>>8948887
We will suffer consequences, yes.

You better hope he doesn't actually withdraw making you the absolute retard who fell for the worst clown of a president in US history.

>>8948893
The US would only benefit from increased temperatures at higher latitudes

Something has to kill off all the third worlders, might as well be "global warming"

Liberals are too stupid and low IQ. They can't actually get into reading scientific papers. They just rely on misleading media articles which make up results and abuse "meta studies" results.

Unfortunately liberals are just too stupid to do proper research and don't really understand the definition and requirements of science. Science is a methodology and they treat it as a "set of facts" and act like every scientist can't be wrong or bias.

Sadly. The Low IQ monkey libtards don't even research things like the usage of precursor sulfur dioxide gases to create global dimming.

I feel sorry for libtards and their broken little shit brains. Hopefully libtards will stop hiding behind fake science.

The science falls apart upon simple examinations. Not in the carbon phase though. But rather in the solutions search space.

The usage of "only solution space" being reduction is false. The solution space includes any geoengineering techniques and any adaption techniques. The solution space is so wide on the subject that choosing "reduction in carbon emissions" is almost certainly wrong. For one, reduction in carbon emissions has almost no effect on climate change, which is something even the fear mongers admit. So basically everything revolving around climate change is moronic retards who refuse to look at the full range of solutions and are pushing for a solution that does nothing or has minimal effect.

Think of it like this.
- Your house is on fire
- Let's remove some objects that will feed the fire
- house burns down still

This is the current climate perspective in terms of

- Carbon in atmosphere increased
- lets slow down this increase
- carbon in atmosphere still increased

Show one bit of science that shows that carbon reduction will do anything to solve the problem. It absolutely has no scientific or logical basis to doing so. Rather the focus should be on geoengineering, technological advancements, and adaptations.

Why?

In the most optimistic carbon reduction scenarios you get like 0.05 degrees difference in 50 years from expected. It's meaningless and definitely within the error bounds

TLDR: Libtards are low IQ.

Learn more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injection_(climate_engineering)

>>8948881
This doesn't take into account the poo pollution coming out of India

>>8948913
Climate engineering will end in years. There is no way we could forsee all the consequences of such activity.

>>8948881
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
due to certain forms of human activity

due to certain forms of human activity
due to certain forms of human activity

It's pointless. That one disclaimer makes it entirely meaningless. Not to mention measurement criteria etc and bias/cooked numbers.

To even post this as a source you should also post the exact criteria and what they include or don't include.

>>8948915
Sounds like you just debunked climate science in general then. If you can't predict the results of geo-engineering in general how can you predict the results of carbon emissions?

>>8948906
by that you mean californians texans floridians southern europeans

the reason the 1.5-2 degree was chosen is because after that greenland melts irrevirsibly and we get 5 meters increase in
extreme whether will affect your favorite higher latitudes too

not to mention the geoengineering clusterfuck which will happen if the warming is uncontrollable
>>8948913
dumbass who decides how much geoengineering we do
in theory india can freeze your ass next year

>>8948918
I've mentioned before the current leaders are so low IQ that they are worried about global warming instead of arriving at global consensus for what climate earth should have. So you aren't really bringing anything new to the table, try again.

>>8948920
SULFUR AEROSOLS DISAPPEAR IN TWO WEEKS - THEY ARE NOT A LONG TERM SOLUTION
CARBON STAYS THERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS

propping down the temperature using them continuously for decades has unknown consequences

it's dangerous to mess with the climate if you don't know what you are doing - this you should have learnt from us shitting up the climate with CO2 in the last 150 years

BUT if say India is facing starvation or revolution or war or whatever, they will be forced to do it - it's conceivable that they will be forced to do it and this is not a safe thing to do since it will affect the entire world within weeks.

It is much safer to just reduce CO2 emissions and keep the climate as is, than to hope aerosols work for ages and ages just for something to go wrong in the end.
Living in a world where we constantly have to shoot aerosols to prevent us from heating up again is a retarded idea. EVEN if we decide to use aerosols CO2 emissions need to be cut.

>>8948929
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/4/17/solar-geoengineering-program-launch/

>>8948933
From what you posted:
>Harvard scientists have launched the largest-ever research program into “solar geoengineering,” a controversial technique involving the injection of aerosols into the stratosphere with the goal of cooling the planet and reversing climate change.

>Launched this weekend, Harvard’s Solar Geoengineering Research Program will investigate the safety of geoengineering as well as its environmental and political implications. Scientists specifically look into a technique of injecting specific particles into Earth’s upper atmosphere to create a barrier that reflects more sunlight away from the atmosphere.

Exactly. It needs to be researched.
None of this means we shouldn't cut CO2 emissions.

>>8948939
Why should we cut CO2?

Ameriblobs will literally eat shit for shekels.

>>8948597
This
Mathematican here

Climate "science" is finally getting BFTO
No more shitty graphs
No more fudging the math to make the model work

B
T
F
O

>>8948941
because it doesn't disappear from the atmosphere until thousands of years from now
because aerosol is being researched and not fully understood
because ocean acidification will not stop
because we can't conceivably be expected to pump aerosols forever
because keeping the warming below 2 degrees is not as expensive as it seems

>"What if it's all not true and we create a better word for nothing"

>>8948621
>11 years old
>thought that picture was real and cried like a babby

>mfw Baron is a confirmed brainlet

>>8948909
>to create global dimming.
what will that do to crop gains

>>8948597
>people make shit "agreement" for you to sign
>see it is just shit
>refuse to sign it and ask for something good
>"bad guy!!!"

I bet he'll end up signing it though.

>>8948597
It's an unratified virtue signaling treaty. We are already out of it as a practical matter. It requires approval of two thirds of the Senate. Obama never bothered with that as he could count on the media to declare it law of the land for the purpose of making his constituents happy. Who seem easily duped. Plus he was never going to get the votes in the senate. He would also have had the spectacle of members of his own party voting against it as they want to get re-elected.

>>8949066
>virtue signaling
using that phrase is virtue signaling

Sulfate aerosols are an OK solution, but with current emissions you'd have to block 8% of sunlight for over 800 years.

>>8948597
>How dare I have to consider others! This will show them!

>>8949251
LMAO

Tell us more, where does this chart come from I see IPCC models there but what has it to do with aerosols

>>8948913
>"(a) Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change

The point of the agreement is to keep it below a dangerous threshold.

There are other benefits that come with CO2 mitigation, like cleaner air and water, which is something you don't get with aerosol injection.

>>8949342
http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/372/2031/20140134.short

>>8948734
Do you actually believe this? Have you looked at the record of earth's climate and CO2 levels?

>>8948913
This is rent-seeking bullshit plain and simple. Big businesses want a carbon tax so they can worry less about upstart companies coming up underneath them. Solar still isn't close to worthwhile and companies go out of business left and right but still we're supposed to subsidize them with tax dollars (lefties like "trickle down environmentalism" I guess).

Climate change was real before humans existed and is real now but the acceptance of this fact does not compel us to subsidize solar panel production.

In short, I 100% agree with you and I hate people.

>>8949353
>dangerous threshold
kek

Trump is a fat fuck. Back to pol.

Sage

>>8949251
>Sulfate aerosols are an OK solution
kek. Take a trip to China and try to breathe.

>>8948734
.t brainlet that doesn't know all the different things that can be done to completely fucking negate all climate change
Geoengineering master race

>>8949046
>Be son of the largest target for assassination in the world
>see realistic picture of father's severed head
>panic and think it's real
>have the same emotional response any child would to the belief that their parent is dead
this isn't rocket surgery you edgy shit, an 11 year old is not going to think these things through logically right as they happen

>>8949509
??
SRM is pumping aerosols into the upper atmosphere, not the lowest atmosphere.

>>8948970
>because keeping the warming below 2 degrees is not as expensive as it seems
Actually, it's a lot more expensive than it seems, with the so-called green strategies.

With nuclear, it probably would be surprisingly cheap - cost comparable to coal.

I'm watching Rand Paul on CNN right now spouting the exact same retarded denier memes that get shitposted here by /pol/ every day. Truly America has reached peak stupidity.

can't wait to see Macron cry and piss himself, but on the downside I have to see another barrage of "FUCK TRUMP" posts on facebook for a couple weeks again when the media blows it up

>>8949555
>we scientists should be free to science without interference from plebs and government stooges
later
>we scientists have scientifically determined that we have to interfere with all of you or you're stupid also send more tax money

>>8948597
WTF is Drumpf doing?! The world is on a collision course with extinction. Developed countries must be taxed more to insure the worlds at least has a chance. All the scientists agree with this. IMPEACH

>all these believercucks
so much can be done to fix the problem, if there is an actual problem, that doesn't involve taxing whites into poverty and putting them on a life ration system

>>8949573
APOLOGIZE

>>8949569
no no we're supposed to wait until Trump makes the announcement, didn't you hear the boss this morning?

So Nicaragua, Syria and the U.S are the only ones out of this agreement.

China will grab this by the balls, there's tens of millions of jobs in the renewable energy sector and they're going out of the U.S to places like India and other major polluting countries.

The renewable energy sector is growing 12 times faster than the rest of the U.S economy.

Is all this just for the Coal industry or Trump's political base?

>>8949603
fascinating! could you define "the renewable energy sector" you referred to and cite the data that you derived that "x12 growth" claim from? I'm sure you're not a shill who was hoping to get away with pulling arbitrary buzzwords out of your ass but I just wanted to make sure

>>8948597
>finite time blow ups for Navier Stokes an open problem
>THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED REEEE

What do they mean by this?

>>8948759
>keep warming below 1.5.
>increasing global population
good luck teaching nogs to operate windmills

It's not just Trump, its the entire republican party responsible for this.

I'm going to dedicate the rest of my life to destroy the republican party.
I fucking swear, i won't rest until i see their complete destruction.

Btw, this study is the source of pic related:
http://www.jamespowell.org/

TRUMPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>8948599
The agreement itself is based on self setting pledges, so the climate part of the agreement is rather arbitrary and really no big deal. Fighting that part of the agreement is political grandstanding and nothing more.

The bigger deal is the position the agreement gives America on the world political stage and the implications for leaving the accord. The climate agreement was basically structured for the US. Being part of the agreement puts the US in the drivers seat for global climate policy, which gives the US significant influence over all countries involved. Leaving the accord is giving that up in exchange for basically nothing. Leaving the accord also sends a strong message that previous agreements mean nothing to Trump and that the rest of the world cannot trust previous agreements made with the US. This distrust will extend to future agreements. If the US loses trust, other countries - particularly powerful countries - will be less inclined to work with the US diplomatically, which reduces global influence of the US.

tl;dr staying in the accord is no big deal and has minimal effect, while pulling out of it does significant hard to the United States' position globally. Nonetheless, Trump will choose to pull out because he cares more about rhetoric and image.

>>8949624
>I'm going to dedicate the rest of my life to destroy the republican party.
Good luck trying to put these guys back in charge

>>8949647
The deal was always "The US will begin engaging in economic self-harm now in exchange for a promise that other nations will totally engage in economic self-harm a decade from now"

>>8949444
>muh deep time graph

Mark the point on the x axis where human civilization first came about

>>8949649
One irrelevant DNC member saying something stupid

VS

Republicans leading the world towards a catastrophic event

Wew, a very hard choice

>>8949655
>One irrelevant

>>8949657
Literally the ONLY bad quote of Bernie Sanders.

Should i really start giving you bad Trump quotes? i can write a book of retarded shit Trump said

>>8949663
>sued for sexually Assautlting Jill Harth
??

>>8949657
It's a case from the 90's
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview

Trump paid her to drop the lawsuit

>>8949664
It's a case from the 90's
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview

Trump paid her to drop the lawsuit

>>8949663

>>8949651
The economic costs of the agreement have been totally overblown by people lobbying against it. The climate standards are arbitrary and will have minimal economic impact. Hell, the actual effect of the agreement on carbon heavy industries is so minimal that Exxon Mobil favors staying with the agreement.

>science shows thing
>"but I know better"
People are just amazing.

>>8949668
>1972
>Literally decades ago

Have something from last year:
Trump mocking a repoter with disability:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

And don't say trump didn't mock him for his appearance, he clearly said "You have to see him"

>>8949674
Tell me how that impeachment trial goes sweetie ;)

>>8949675
Trump in fact should be impeached for violation of the emolument clause and obstruction of justice

Bill Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice 2 (it was one of two charges which lead to his impeachment)

>>8949671
science showed a single fact
carbon reduction isn't part of that science

>>8949675
Bill Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice.

Trump committed obstruction of justice.

Why the law should work differently for Trump?

>>8949654
>humans just can't live at 22C

lol

>>8949680
Because Trump's not getting impeached? I mean why wasn't Obama impeached for unilaterally overthrowing Libya?

>>8949677
so smart, so scientific!

You have no idea about the legal system. Emolument clause isn't really even binding and almost totally unenforceable.

>>8949684
that's different because covfefe

>>8949684
fuck off lol

>>8948597
>changes in climate BS
kek, what an idiot

Stick to "global warming", it's at least slightly less retarded when you say it's BS

DOW RECORD CLOSE
S&P RECORD CLOSE
NASDAQ RECoRD CLOSE

hhahahah amazing

>>8949681
>I'm an idiot and I don't understand where that temperature value comes from
That's a global average temperature. Right now the global average temperature is 12.7C, and plenty of places get significantly hotter than that. A global average temperature of 22C would mean many parts of the world would be uninhabitable for humans due to the extreme heat.

>>8949696
lel

>>8949696
>Everyone in Africa, the Middle East, South America and Australia will die
Where's the downside?

>>8949680
Obstruction of justice because he lied during a criminal investigation.

He literally got impeached because he lied about a blowjob. That's it.

>>8949700
>Die

No anon, they won't die. They will migrate to Europe and other white countries in such huge numbers that countries will be unable to do anything about it.

>>8949696
Can't wait to hear your theory on why Martian or Lunar colonies are impossible, too.

You all got fucking owned and there's literally nothing you can do about it

>>8949538
You breathe the pollution not the aerosols

>>8949649
Prepare to get woke conservatard

>>8949716
>brainlet uses Harry Potter as an argument

>>8949704
That's a funny way of spelling "will be shot at the border."

>>8949716
Hilarious. As an attorney myself, he trips himself up when he lies about basic bitch things all attorneys would know he is lying about. That and the delusions throughout that post make for great humor, but I'm not sure that this is why you posted it.

>>8948958
PhD in pure maths with a $300k job here, you're full of shit.

>>8949731
I'm sure that will go down well with the shitskins already in those countries.

>>8949704
Your saying it as if diversity and cultural enrichment is a bad thing.

>>8949701
perjury is perjury, it doesn't matter what you're lying about

>mfw armchair scientists think they know more than the President of the United States and his team of experts, and that they should be making the decisions themselves

>>8949647
>Being part of the agreement puts the US in the drivers seat for global climate policy,
How? As far as I can tell, the Chinese and Indians are the real drivers here. They've managed to force concessions onto other nations and receive funding.

>>8949778

He is an idiot surrounded by ruthless capitalist crooks.

What could possibly go wrong.

>>8949790
>billionaire president family man is an idiot
if you say so, what are your credentials exactly? and what's wrong with capitalism?

>>8949701
He got impeached because they wanted to impeach him, the perjury was the one charge they could definitively put on him.

Same thing that Nixon only resigned because he essentially self-incriminated himself with those fucking tapes

>>8949684
because the left couldn't afford to attack the first [minority] president and the right likes overthrowing things?

>>8949867
sorry that should say liberals and conservatives, although that really doesn't fit much better
it's basically anti-establishment and pro-establishment, except they both have their own establishments

>>8949790
>ruthless capitalistic crook nation
>main problem: stupid selfish people are too fat

>socialist paradise
>problem: stupid selfish people demand to eat

>>8949444

do you realize that the increase from 12C to 22C took at least a couple million years

The problem is not the temperature itself, but the fact that it is spiking incredibly hard right now.

>>8949674
>Trump mocking a repoter with disability:
>Does the same flustered expression to make fun of Ted Cruz and others
Nice argument kiddo

Regardless of whether global warming is real or not or over/under-exaggerated, the Paris Agreement is bullshit. All it does is fuck over the American economy - and in doing so, it doesn't even help lower pollution, because it just means industries pack up and move to china/india/etc. If global warming is a global issue, it doesn't matter where the pollution is coming from.

If we were serious about fighting global warming, we'd start by implementing severe population control in areas like Africa, Arabia, and India, which are EXPLODING in population. A lot of this population explosion can be attributed to direct and indirect aid from the 1st world, along with trade. Want to fight global warming? Cut off aid to africa and embargo the fuck out of the entire continent. As it is now, the population is 1 billion now, will be 2 billion by 2050, and 4 billion by 2100.

>>8949731
>implying current western governments wouldn't do everything in their power to genocide the native whites
they'd open the borders wide, and mysteriously lose a crate of guns and ammo in every mosque

>>8950011
It's non binding agreement it was stupid not to sign it.

>>8948734
>Apocalypse is coming if yawl sinnas don't repent! Better pay your tithe!

Fuck off evangelist.

>>8950050
if it was that meaningless then it sounds equally stupid to sign it

>>8950011
t. someone that doesn't know how and why population grows

>>8950059
Not really when other countries that didn't signed it are Syria and some other shithole.

>>8950067
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

>In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

>>8948597
>Climate change is obvious BS and it's going to be great to see scientists eating shit.

I really think this could be the start of scientists becoming politically active- and striking.

I mean it- walk out of your labs, your jobs, your institutions, your universities, everything.

Students, professionals, administrators, everyone. No stupid parades in the streets. Just walk out. Quit. Fulltime.

Hell, I already have. Left research a year ago. Downsized everything. Fuck these people.

>>8949251

Aren't sulfates poisonous

O right, you're a bio-chemistry genius

>>8950067
Explain the purpose of signing a non-binding agreement

>>8950069
And then they get replaced by the millions that are looking for work
Unemployment is sky high right now, There's plenty who will be happy to take your place and paycheck

>>8949563
That really makes no sense. How does the fact that the government should not interfere with scientists conflict with the fact that the government should listen to scientists?

And what does either have to do with retards like Rand Paul spouting nonsense about climatology?

Your incoherent response is an accurate representation of the intelligence of the average /pol/tard.

>>8950141
?
If you are talking about scientists who all exist on government grants, why WOULDN'T they be interfered with?

What scientist would honestly say this climate accord is actually good/meaningful?
Causing TRILLIONS in economic damage vs some small number of billions dealing with the effects of various changes, one is a bad deal

>>8949520
he can call him and ask if hes dead?

>>8950195
>If you are talking about scientists who all exist on government grants, why WOULDN'T they be interfered with?
Because interfering with them would mean they are not able to do what they were given grants for in the first place, you massive retard.

>What scientist would honestly say this climate accord is actually good/meaningful?
Most of them probably.

>Causing TRILLIONS in economic damage vs some small number of billions dealing with the effects of various changes, one is a bad deal
QUADRILLIONS would be much better if you are just going to make shit up.

In reality, economists agree that reduction of emissions will save many billions of dollars more in future damage than it will cost. The Paris accord will only do a small portion of that. An optimal carbon tax would be much better.

Do republicans legitimately believe their politicians studied climatology, and know climate science better than actual climate scientists?

>>8950221
They believe whatever is convenient towards their political ideology. Cognitive dissonance is nothing new.

>>8948607
I'd rather go faster, takes longer to hit the ground

>>8950221
>a politician must be an expert in all subjects
>what is delegation and expert consultation

>>8950249
>a politician must not pretend to know what he does not know
>a politician must seek experts and not simply cherrypick crackpots who will confirm what he is pretending to know
Yeah sound pretty reasonable to me bud.

>>8948597
I'm coming from pol here and I just want reassurance that you guys also believe climate change is a hoax. Like most scientists agree it's false right?

>>8950252
To add to this I noticed I didn't provide an argument. So my argument is there is no definitive evidence.

>>8950252
>I just want reassurance that you guys also believe climate change is a hoax.
>Like most scientists agree it's false right?

Jesus christ how out of touch with reality are you people.

>>8950256
What do you mean?

>>8949555
>that get shitposted here by /pol/ every day.
Who is this "/pol/" hacker? I hope you realize that /pol/ isn't one person and that /pol/ doesn't organize raids onto other boards

Why not just renegotiate the deal? Climate change is of obvious concern but if we want to bring manufacturing back to the US as is Trump's goal we need some sort of balance in this deal which seems to be slated towards China and India economically speaking.

This bravado and showboating about 'opting out' just makes the US look ridiculous to the rest of the first world and diminishes our influence, see Merkel's comments about Europe starting to take the reins and focus on itself.

Also, if Africa and the Middle East become uninhabitable due to climate change we're going to have a serious nogfugee crisis on our hands.

>>8950256
It's a false flag you fucking brainlet. He didn't even put /pol/ in forward slashes.

It's not just that the US won't go along with emission reduction plans, but that they'll actively try to burn more fossil fuels in order to create rural jobs so that rural Americans can feel good about themselves.

>>8950256
it's a shitposter
a low effort one at that

>>8950284
>industry
>bad
FUCK
ELVES

>>8950264
If you want manual labor jobs in the US, you have 4 options:

1. Donald "Juche" Trump leaves the WTO, NAFTA, and so on, and America becomes self-reliant in manufacturing (but obviously does not export as it would not be competitive and would face retaliatory tariffs). Donald Trump is clearly too stupid to understand why trade deals are good for avoiding wars between major powers, so this would be a disaster.
2. Slash American wages. This will be unpopular, so wages will need to be subsidized through a negative income tax or other welfare programs. It will cost a lot to create these jobs, but hey, at least dumb rural Americans can feel good about themselves!
3. Try to copy the Germans in advanced manufacturing. This is unlikely to ever happen, you can't out-Kraut the Krauts, and it would require a great deal of government investment and reworking of the education system.
4. Make people join the military and have them do manual labor. Print money to pay for it (this was pioneered by Reagan).

>neckbeards who barely finished high school pretending to understand climate science

>>8948597
>shock the world with an announcement tomorrow

but he literally campaigned on leaving this accord, how is it a shock?

Weren't they saying a few months ago how we were already past the tipping point anyway?

And I could have sworn I read an article in NatGeo in the 90s that said the icecaps were projected to all be melted by about 2013

And also there's massive overpopulation that we need to curb... only now they're saying we need to import people to expand and increase population.

>>8950310
Some people held out hope that some combination of Ivanka and most of corporate America could convince him that climate change was not in fact a Chinese hoax.

>>8950299
So what are the options when it comes to the massive loss of manufacturing jobs in America? Is there really nothing that can be done? Send them all back to school so they have the skills for jobs that haven't yet been outsourced to third world countries? Because it seems like all four of these options are just ridiculous.

>>8950317
Dumb Americans (people without a degree from a decent college) have vastly higher assessments of the value of their labor than the market does. Not only are they uninterested in going to school (book larnin' is frowned upon in much of rural America), they are uninterested in even re-tooling the education system so that people who shouldn't be going to college can find jobs suitable to their cognitive abilities, because that would mean government spending (anyone who gets government spending is a leech except me, we's real proud people and don't like no hand outs!). They think they deserve to earn 70k a year as a high-school dropout working the assembly line. Obviously, they also refuse to move.

Only like 30% of young Germans go to college nowadays, I think. There's no reason the US couldn't make some educational reforms to support high-skilled manufacturing so that idiots can have a job. The problem is a lack of political will, and American parents may be unwilling to accept their children being guided down a particular track. (what do you mean my snowflake isn't going to Harvard?!)

>>8950329
I find it funny that you ad hom about farmers and other rural folk being dumb, when they're likely smarter than you in the ways that matter
oh golly gee, you read a lot of books, but can you successfully run a business and continuously turn a profit while dedicating most of your days to hard labour in the fields? I'd put my money on No.

>>8948597
>Trump is about to shock the world with an announcement
yes, I will be so shocked when he announces that he doesn't give a fuck about the environment. well I never

>>8950299
>but obviously does not export as it would not be competitive and would face retaliatory tariffs
Who is going to tariff the USA, and yea it would be 100% competitive
As far as I understand, outsourcing has never really been a profitable thing, its more just businesses falling for memes & lies of what good business it is to put factories in the third world.

As well its businesses getting fed up with union bullshit, government bullshit, high taxes, etc

All things that Trump seeks to change

>>8950090
That only ever works with unskilled jobs, if people mass-quit jobs that require a lot of expertise, they could be filled with unskilled people but that's a plain stupid idea.

>>8950346
As someone who lived among farmers, and helped on the farm during harvest seasons, yes, it isn't that hard and they aren't that bright.

>>8950346
Most American farms are heavily subsidized by the government and are sitting on tons of food that they can't sell because it wouldn't be profitable. Also, it's not as if most rural Americans are farmers in the first place. This is a crisis of dumb Americans more generally, but at least dumb people in cities can work at McDonald's or something. There aren't as many service jobs in less population-dense areas.

>>8950352
>Who is going to tariff the USA
People generally enact retaliatory tariffs when a tariff is initiated against them. The WTO and other trade agreements forbid most tariffs so Trump would have to leave the WTO.

>As far as I understand, outsourcing has never really been a profitable thing, its more just businesses falling for memes & lies of what good business it is to put factories in the third world.
Why the fuck do they do it then? Do you really think they're too stupid to calculate their own bottom line?

>As well its businesses getting fed up with union bullshit, government bullshit, high taxes, etc
Wages were much higher when there was more unionized manufacturing.
>high taxes
American taxes aren't that high compared to the EU (for example), and many American corporations use shell corporations to hide their earnings anyway. And yet the Germans are enormously successful in manufacturing because they have a comparative advantage in skill-intensive manufacturing.

Look, if people want to start working low-skill manual labor jobs again, labor and environmental protections have to go, and taxes have to be slashed. There is no way around this. These are not going to be high-paying jobs either.

People are just nostalgic for the post-war America where the rest of the world was a smoldering crater and China was a Maoist shithole.

>>8950329
>The problem is a lack of political will
The "problem" is that the political class wants demographically replace its serfs, same as the Euro governments nowadays.
German government pretends not to, but they are filled with the same commies as the rest of EU

>>8950386
Protip: If Americans were willing to man the factories for $2 an hour, there wouldn't be any outsourcing. Really makes you think!

>>8950382
>Do you really think they're too stupid to calculate their own bottom line?

Hard to calculate the unknown costs of people stealing your patents, bad QC, dealing in foreign languages/countries, etc
Yes there have been plenty of companies that have lost big on the out sourcing meme

Obviously you can't import 100+ million immigrants over the course of a few decades and then expect wages to be increasing.

These euro countries have less corporate taxes and less regulatory burden on their companies

>>8950400
>EU
>less regulatory burden
No.

>>8949757
Pdiddyhd in math with 6gorillion k a year job, your the one who is full of shit

>>8950346
Rurals are literally the most fucking useless people in america. This entire country was basically planned to make their lives as easy as possible, and they still fuck up repeatedly. It boggles the mind.

>>8950788
>This entire country was basically planned to make their lives as easy as possible
How, exactly? Is it the building codes that require government stooges to inspect everything? Is it outlawing alcohol production over city-boy approved percentages? Is it the property taxes that any landowner must pay because of the privilege of breathing government-provided air?

Cities are a cancer on this entire world and I wish we'd have a fucking plague already. We have too many people and use too much energy to be sustainable. Current fat fucks are shoving their fat mouths with the dust of their future family's corpses that won't have clean water and farmland. Cities must all be leveled to the ground.

>>8948597
I love climate change. Needs to be accelerated. I want to grow up a batch of this shit, freeze dry it, and sprinkle spores down on Greenland from balloons. Melt that motherfucker.

>>8950200
He could, but that would be logical, and when someone is in emotional distress, they are not logical

>>8949778
The average person in high school probably knows more stuff about a random topic than Trump.

>>8950314
>tipping point
450 ppm / 2C
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=17m45s

but for political reasons we can't get even close to that, if we want to avoid going through 450ppm/2C
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=43m10s

>>8949520
>letting a child use the internet
Gud goy.

>>8951107
"knowing more" is not transitive

>>8950354
Unemployed degree holders are at an all time high as well
the amount of people that will actually leave their comfy 6 figure jobs for immaterial ideological reasons do have replacements waiting
if that fails, Europe and Canada have plenty of skilled personnel looking for work too, of all walks of life

>>8951138
The unemployment rate for people with bachlor's degrees is 3.7% and if you narrow it down to people with degrees in the sciences, it drops even further so claiming that it'll be possible to simply replace your intellectuals is plain stupid. Lastly, anti-intellectual policies has caused the US to suffer brain drain.

>>8951305
isn't like 60% of people who graduated don't even work in their own field?
case in point. there are no white collar jobs

>>8951315
http://www.urban.org/research/publication/mismatch-how-many-workers-bachelors-degree-are-overqualified-their-jobs
The highest estimates I've ever seen is 48%, which again, drops farther when you narrow it down based on the science fields. Others put it at a quarter so replacing your intellectuals still means losing a lot of expertise. It should also be noted that the bulk of un and under employed degree holders consist of people fresh out of the colleges and universities so your stupid idea would still result in brain drain even if the un and underemployed degree holders are at a 50% or all degree holders.