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8885169 No.8885169 [Reply] [Original]

Has anyone here taken the "gaokao," China's college entrance exam?

>most stressful exam in the world
>nine hours long, spread out over two days
>there are two streams: social science and natural science
>acceptance rate for the top two universities is 0.3%
>schools install "suicide catchers" to prevent students from killing themselves

>> No.8885181

>>8885169
Is China where humanity went to die?

>> No.8885187

>>8885181
>they're communists
sounds about right

>> No.8885196

>>8885169
I wonder what percentage of their time is devoted to studying material vs. learning ways to cheat

>> No.8885206
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8885206

Looks like one slipped by the suicide catchers

>> No.8885208

>>8885196
or time spent learning how to sabotage others

>> No.8885218

when you have a literal fuckton of people, this is the kind of nonsense you have to do to filter out the noise.

>> No.8885223

>Physics: Place two parallel charged metal plates horizontally an equal width apart with Point A in between them. Suppose Point A releases one charged particle and the particle stays stationary. If the two plates rotate by 45 degrees counter-clockwise around the axis of Point A, and then Point A releases another identical particle at a standstill, that particle will...

This is impossible to answer since an axis cannot be defined by a single point. They also said that the particle will veer off in some direction, which I'm pretty sure is wrong. Assuming the axis they didn't properly define is perpendicular to the faces of both plates, the particle should still not move. What a shitty test.

>> No.8885231

>>8885223
I took that same practice test and got a 6 out of 8. Guessed on that question and got it right.

>> No.8885236

>>8885231
For anyone wondering, here's the practice quiz:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/07/asia/gaokao-quiz/

>> No.8885251
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8885251

Well, shit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-02/take-the-test-to-get-into-china-s-top-universities

>> No.8885256

>>8885223
>ne is perpendicular to the faces of both plates, the particle should still not move. What a shitty test.
>>>
> Anonymous 05/05/1
just apply the basic principles of communism and you will surely pass

>> No.8885275

>>8885236
>http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/07/asia/gaokao-quiz/
CNN? That's a fake test

>> No.8885283

>>8885275
I know. The real test is in Chinese. I figured it was just based on the question types of the real gaokao.

>> No.8885292

>>8885206

HA

>> No.8885387

>>8885169
Shouldn't they have some good teacher in order to get ready for this?

Or maybe I may be wrong and it's all just meritocracy where literally the smartest ones pass easily?

>> No.8885621

>>8885387
>>Or maybe I may be wrong and it's all just meritocracy where literally the smartest ones pass easily?
only liberals from the academia believe that passing an exam means more than answering correctly the questions

>> No.8885622

The EIT exam is 8 hours long and done in the same day.
not sure how hard it is though.

>> No.8885758

Where are all the fat people in that pic?

Does China not have "thyroid problems"? LOL

>> No.8886114

>>8885758
Asians can't get fat for some reason.

>> No.8886229

>>8886114
Look up "Sumo".

>> No.8886246

>>8886229
They're pure muscle.

>> No.8886523

>>8885758

Having spent time in China, there will be an obesity epidemic within the next two generations. Higher standards of living, no clueless Mao to cause famines, internet and gaming addicitons plus childhoods spent in classrooms followed by more study/tutoring 12 hours per day.

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>>8885283
>mfw taking this test

>> No.8886545

>>8886532
>gaokao
ahegao

>> No.8886848
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>>8885187
WERE communists

>> No.8887175

>>8886114
Cause we don't stuff our faces with corn syrup all day long

>> No.8887177

>>8885169
Yes, and it's the ultimate brainlet filter. American and European students wouldn't have a chance, not even the good ones.

>> No.8887316

>>8887177
It's too bad the people who ace the test don't live in a free enough society to do anything truly bold with their genius.

>> No.8887323

>>8887316
double-edged sword

>> No.8887330

So?

>nine hours long, spread out over two days
Same in Brazil.
>there are two streams: social science and natural science
More or less the same thing.
>acceptance rate for the top two universities is 0.3%
Same here, or even less.
>schools install "suicide catchers" to prevent students from killing themselves
Nah, people here don't commit sudoku because of this, although it's stressful as fugg. It's probably more intense in China anyways.

>> No.8887350

>>8887330
I only covered a small part of it. Chinese kids study 15 hours a day for this test. That's not a typo. They get IV drips while studying the exam. Women are encouraged to take birth control so they don't menstruate on exam day. You can see pics online of parents waiting for the kids to finish. They look like arrivals to a school shooting aftermath.

>> No.8887652

I have take this test, may socialist Heaven pardon my insouciance.

>> No.8887664

>>8887330
Getting 2+2=4 right isn't an accomplishment Raul.

>> No.8887795

>>8885169
Fuck China I will never go on purpose, probably an hero if I was forced.

>> No.8887804

>>8887795
Don't worry liberalism will make it the same here so you won't need to

>> No.8887806

>>8885169
Considering the quality of chinks that are at my school, I don't think Chinese school is very difficult. They mostly cheat, I once reported a group of them and they got called out in lecture, best day of my life.

>> No.8887815

I don't understand why they force kids to study so much. Can't they see that Europeans (who have slightly lower IQs, I might add) hardly study at all by comparison yet outperform them on practically every metric? Why can't they just grasp that their model isn't working, that intellectual productivity requires a balanced and healthy environment rather than an ultra-stressful one? Do they think Harvard students had to study 15 hours a day to get to Harvard?

>> No.8887816

Chinese have been doing that shit for millennia. Back in the day, getting into the civil service to be a mandarin had the grueling Chin-Shih (sp?) examination. I remember reading an anthology of the bleak, gothic Tang Dynasty (8th century) poet Li Ho - Li did shit on the exam and lamented things (also, Pink Floyd quoted him in "Set the controls for the heart of the Sun").

>> No.8887817

>>8887815
If you ask many Harvard prospects this question the answer might be yes.

>> No.8887824

>>8887815
Good question. My guess is that they lack an interest in their subject, so it's harder for ideas to imprint on them.

>> No.8887830

>>8887817
Harvard publishes anonymous surveys on how much its students studied to get there. The numbers are not impressive. Not surprising though, because American high schools are easy to game if you're clever about it.

>> No.8887838

>>8887816
Most of the tests back then were Confucian regurgitations in essay form. Zero math. All subjectivity.

>> No.8887841

>>8887838
Yet candidates still washed out, so their literature skills must have been weak. That's one thing that's nice about the modern humanities - upper level courses have virtually no exams, no midterms, no finals and are basically essay driven which is very chill indeed. Philosophy bucks that trend with logic, as doing tree proofs in predicate logic and truth tables is done in exam format.

>> No.8887849

what is so bad about a 9 hour test in two days?

In america we test kids for an entire week when they are 8, and if they do well they get NOTHING. If they do well and happen to be rich and stay rich they might get one of the slots at the good universities that don't go to legacy kids whose families give 4 to 7 figures.

>> No.8887863

>>8885169
sounds extremely communist

>> No.8887876

I am is from China and it was lucky good fortune that I was vacated in my late after-puberty years so that I am was not annexed to exam-taking day. By the good will of the Party, praise be.

>> No.8887909

>>8887330
Haha you silly Brazilian cuck.
Your country is shit, the reason why the acceptance rate is so low isn't because the exams are hard, it's because there is not enough funding.
I doubt that you even get precalculus tier math in university. Top kek. Brazil is shit tier mate, you make me chuckle

>> No.8887911

>>8885169
>>schools install "suicide catchers" to prevent students from killing themselves
How would they kill themselves?

Stab themselves with pencils?

>> No.8887925

>>8887911
Suicide catchers are metal lattices placed in stairwells to prevent people from jumping to their deaths.

>> No.8887955

>>8887815
Nah man. Look at the gaokao syllabus, they're learning way more advanced shit at a way younger age than an average American. Imagine literally getting 90% on Calc 1-3, at like 16. That's the level you're competing at. Meanwhile, we have 18 year olds in harvard that hits like only 60%s raw scores on their tests. I doubt they'll survive in China's education system, assuming that there is no language barrier. Bright Chinks come to Singapore, also one of the most notoriously difficult curriculum in the world and find it a breeze. Up to this day, seeing how they could master english and score an A for it in mere years, despite having chinese as their main language ultimately baffles me. You americans better buckle up or you'll have chinks flooding your private unis in no time.

>> No.8888343

>>8887876
buddy, next time dont use google translate

>> No.8888367

>>8886246
Nope.

>> No.8888385

>>8887955
You do realise that throwing around percentages like you're doing is entirely useless unless all tests are of the exact same difficulty, don't you?

>> No.8888387

Christ. No wonder China is doing so well. How can modern feels based western liberalism possible compete with such ruthless Darwinian meritocracy on such an enormous scale? We're truly fucked.

>> No.8888406

>>8885223
They say counterclockwise, which implies you're looking at it from the side like you do with a clock. So the axis is horizontal and parallel to the plates. It doesn't matter which direction you look at it from because of symmetry. If the entire system is turned 45 degrees, then you can assume that the electric force present no longer cancels out gravity, and it will move in such a way that it remains equidistant between the two plates.

I agreed with you at first glance, but then I thought about it a bit more and I realized this was the only logical answer. by the way the question was posed. This exam is not meant to test one's understanding of physics alone, it is meant to weed out those who cannot use logic and reasoning to determine the answer. Either way I'm sure if the exam was short answer and not multiple choice, any answer with a reasonable explanation like yours would have gotten full marks especially when the question is not direct.

>> No.8888407

>>8887815
This is gonna be controversial but it's also because they don't encourage the arts. As you said intellectual productivity requires a balanced and healthy environment and who creates that environment? Artists!

>> No.8888416

>>8887830
Using Harvard was probably a horrible example because most people that get in do it from legacy and daddys money so they really don't need to study that hard to get in. Try looking at how hard people studied to get into MIT and you might find something more based in reality.

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>>8885251
>you would be hailed as a hero in your hometown

This makes me feel really sad.
>tfw you would also get 100% probably
>tfw you already got 100% in every test you've taken since forever
>tfw because I don't live in the educated and responsible culture of China, no one sees me as a hero. Just as some retarded nerd.

>> No.8888427

>>8888416
>t. Rejected from Harvard

>> No.8888438

>>8887830
You can get to Harvard by writing Black Lives Matter a bunch of times on admission essay, that should tell you something

>> No.8888452

>>8888407
>>8887815

You guys are both wrong. They do this, like all other countries, including European countries, because they don't have enough University capacity.

The poor students of course cannot afford to get student loans and their economy is not advanced enough for that shit anyway, so they get free education but they have to limit the amount of available university positions and the way they do it is by having arbitrarily hard entrance exams.

This is also the reason why in Europe you notice a lot of "dumbing down" of HS. The truth is that now we can afford to give brainlets 3 years of University education on the tax payers dime while previously we couldn't.

>> No.8888462

>>8888427

I don't think he's wrong. I'm not even American but it seems to me that the way prestigious universities work is:

>allow the very brightest poor students in to maintain reputation and actually do the hard academic work
>allow the rich students in to get that nice tuition fee money

The rich students benefit from having studied in a prestigious university alongside very smart people and the smart students benefit from the best facilities to study and, well, actually being able to afford education.

I'm not denying that there is overlap between being rich and being smart.

>> No.8888473

>>8887330
Soupa de Macao uma delicia

>> No.8888477

Top tier US schools generally don't let white people in

>> No.8888485

Asians are simply superior to whites. They look at us like we look at Mexicans

>> No.8888509

>>8888477
Neither does China

>> No.8888517

Chinese literally dominate science and math. You undergrad fags can fight that all you want but you know it's true. You'll never be as good as an Oriental student, quit being under some pretense that you're "one of the best"

Europe, however, dominates art.

Asians: logistical education
Europeans: humanist education

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>>8888485
>they look at the people who invented science and modern mathematics as Mexicans
>the same people who they steal hundreds of billions of dollars of intellectual property from a year

>> No.8888574

>>8888517
Whatever helps you sleep at night Wang Fu.

>> No.8888575

>>8888574
>he thinks his engineering degree will make him better than little wu Chung in the 5th grade

Lol, have fun studying to be a Chinese high school student

>> No.8888583

>>8886246
They have lots of muscle, but ultimately their goal is to have as much mass as possible. They're not just hamplanets, but they still have a lot more fat than the average person, even if they're swole underneath it.

>> No.8888650

Whites have ZERO motivation and drive. Korean gradeschoolers go to school and then go to private school afterwards and do more studying and sleep for 6 hours a night. Every single one, whites simply cannot compete. We can only pray they are merciful when they finally realize they outnumber the world 10 to 1.

>> No.8888666

>>8888421
the point is that it's piss easy.
chinkucks BTFO once again.

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>>8888666

>> No.8888678

>>8888650
Whites generally lack the discipline to really get into something. That's why when Whites actually accomplish something it gets reported in the news, like "woah, this guy spends 8 hours studying physics, how does he do that, he must be a special breed". Where in an Asian country, no one really cares.

>> No.8888699

i know for a fact that the chinese people who go to my uni all have absolutely SHIT english skills and they are all (mostly) horrible to work with for group projects.

you wouldn't believe some of the shit i've seen in my time over here doing my msc.

i swear to christ, the fucking education industry is rotten to the core.
just whip some cash out, you can come!
easy fucking peasy!

>> No.8888708

>>8888438
Being a jew or a foreigner works too as does being wealthy

>> No.8888726

>>8888650
>>8888678
That's obviously because of our new culture. We weren't always like this and you know it.

>> No.8888763

I feel like most of the students that take those exams don't really understand shit. It's mostly mechanical grinding but that might not be a bad thing perhaps.

>> No.8888778

>>8888726
What's in the past is in the past, you dickheads better buckle up and stop with this degeneracy involving shit like having 50 genders and feminists, maybe you'll regain your edge. At some point Rajah and his buddies will take over Sillicon Valley, and you guys would start having designated shitting spots. You guys have to wake the fuck up and realize that many of America's key corporate and tech roles are being taken up my poos and chinks, don't say I didn't warn you, this is happening right now and you know it.

>> No.8888821

>>8885251
why does U.S. history appear in this test???
I got 60% :c

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>>8888438
It wasn't Harvard

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>>8887330
>Brazil
Opinion dismissed.

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8889098

>>8885206
>DAMN, MISSED ONE

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>>8888678
>That's why when Whites actually accomplish something it gets reported in the news, like "woah, this guy spends 8 hours studying physics, how does he do that, he must be a special breed"
Does the inverse of that apply? Do asians get into the news by showing a shred of humanity?

>> No.8889108

WOOOOW IT TOOK 1.4 BILLION OF YOU JUST TO BEAT ME

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>>8887350
>>8887664
>>8887909
>>8889087
>>8888473

I don't understand your madness. India is also a piece of crap of a country, yet they study hard. We're just talking about the few good colleges.

>> No.8889120

>>8889073
It's the end

>> No.8889255

>>8886532
How does a Chinese even post here

>> No.8889260

>>8889255
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

>> No.8889277

The hardest college entrance exam is actually the French one.

Try to solve this, brainlets:

http://www.ens.fr/IMG/file/concours/2016/sujets/MPI/16_sujet_mpi_mathd.pdf

>> No.8889296

>>8887330
ENEM is much easier than entrance exams for the best federal univeristies, though.

>> No.8889303

>>8887815
is that why asians make the most money in every country they go to?

>> No.8889313

>>8885169
don't forget, cheating rules are not enforecd in china. you only get into the school you want if you either have shit standards or you bribe the a) proctors b) admisisons with Chunghua cigarettes and maotai liquor

>> No.8889323

>>8888407
wrong. in china you either go into "science" to become a scientist, or "arts" to become a politician/ government POG

>> No.8889329

>>8888416
>t. accepted to MIT because of your "preferred pronoun"

>> No.8889333

>>8888452
>we can afford
speak for yourself commie
yeah you can give out government subsidised shit-flavored ice cream but you can always pay for premium vanilla

>> No.8889337

>>8888517
that's only because we have been subverted by left over KGB propaganda which was meant to weaken the enemies of the USSR over time.

look up yuri bezmenov. it's an amazing story

>> No.8889341

>>8889101
no because that's retarded and a waste of anyone's life

>> No.8889380

>>8889333

In every place outside of America the public/state schools are always superior and more prestigious than any option the private sector offers.

>> No.8889408

>>8889260
You thing the 50 cent would use that image

>> No.8889686

>>8888406
explain your reasoning.
the E-field of a charged plate near its surface is constant, and normal to the surface of the plate.
the only reason the charge would stand still in the first scenario is if the two plates had the same charge density.
rotating them by 45 degrees doesn't change their parallel status, nor does it change their charge density.
unless of course there was an external electric field, but there is no reason to believe that

>> No.8889712

>>8885169
anyone have sample test?

>> No.8889728

>>8889712
read the thread

>> No.8889736

>>8885251
>9 hours
>try these 10 easy questions from it!!!
Wow, good job. Who's a smart boy? You are! Congratulations, a winner is you!

>> No.8889819

The American CPA Exam is harder than the gaokao.

Bow to the auditors

>> No.8889847

He isn't wrong that most people who get into Harvard had some sort of connection to get in through either parents or guidance counselor (schools that consistently send kids to Harvard are usually the latter).

>> No.8890241

>>8889736
Kek

>retard who couldn't get 10/10

>> No.8890269

>>8885169
They all take the world's hardest exam, they all spent their youth learning 14 hours a day and china still can't compete with any western European country in advancements they've made

>> No.8890270

>>8887925
also on the sides of buildings as prevention from harming pedestrians

>> No.8890274

>>8890269
Human capital doesn't mean shit. Just look at the losers in Mensa.

>> No.8890438

>>8890274
Good point.

>> No.8890459

>>8885169
>that one empty seat
Dishonored by family

>> No.8890474

>>8885169
Wow so much diversity in one pic, god i hate white people.

>> No.8890480

>>8887330
ENEM is a total joke, 70% of math problems are middle school level.

>> No.8890523

This is an exaggerated shit. I personally admire Russian system of math education. There are so called math highschools, where children are taught topology, multivariable calculus, real analysis and abstract algebra. So this is more or less first 3 years of american undergraduate system except probably top 10 in math. In the undergraduate they have 2 coolest universities IUM and HSE, where you have stuff like algebraic topology, measure theory first year and algebraic geometry, commutative algebra, k-theory, characteristic classes second year which are graduate level courses.

This is not too much, this is how it should be. Their education system is pretty decent, other world's(except top 10 maybe) curriculum is total shit and is constructed for morons.

>> No.8890549

>>8885181
It is where it will be reborn
https://www.edge.org/response-detail/23838

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>>8887815
>harvard
can we put an end to this meme already?