/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8860572
Psychology is really just the study of manipulating humans through emotional mechanism. Most psychologist are sociopaths.

>>8860588
good thing they are lousy at it. if psychological theories had predictive value it would be terrifying

>>8860572

>>8860615
memri > twitter

>>8860572
What do you lose by believing that gender is a spectrum? I honestly dont care.

>>8860639
>believing

that's not how these people work anon


what they aim for is to be middle level managers for corporations encroaching on the public space, instilling culture of fear and instituting dogma as science.

>>8860639
> BELIEVING
Go back to /x/ you fuckwit. If you want defy logic and reason then at least have evidence or a reason. No one wants to conform to anti science G E N D E R crap

>>8860572
Gender is more of a psychological/anthropological concept.
Please keep this shit in /pol/ and /his/.

>>8860753
isn't it based on whether or not someone has a penis or a vagina?

>>8860639
>believing

>>8860572
Little Sally being a tomboy isn't what I'd call a spectrum.

Psychology uses the scientific method, unlike the TEM parts of STEM

Probably because most successful scientists are smart enough to realize that gender is really just a social construct and sex is determined by biology. Oh also because they're too busy adding to the breadth of human knowledge, unlike you

>>8860871
lmfao no it doesn't. it uses statistical analysis.

>>8860871
>scientific method
>psychology

>>8860572
>cultural marxism
What even is this term? Marx's theories are about the economy, not cultures.

>>8860871

Experiments in psychology never have proper controls, ever.

>>8861488

Its literally a nazi term changed up a little to obfuscate its origins.

>>8860572
most legit scientists and engineers realized shortly into their career that people being scientifically illiterate makes it supremely easy to shit on plebs in both academia and industry.

when i see this stuff it just represents job security

>>8861488

the basic gist of the conspiracy theory is that a group of psychologists concluded that communism can't come because people will always be more ethnic/nation conscious than class conscious. so in order to implement marxism they have to stamp out ethnic/national identity.

>>8861488
It's a made up name for Critical Theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

These guys are not real scientists, they're pop figures. Pop figures absolutely HAVE to subscribe to this shit or at least pretend to or else they have no work.

>>8860572
>cultural marxism
>>>/pol/

>>8862114
The whole point of critical theory is pointing out how capitalism creates a consumerist culture that erodes and absorbs genuine culture to perpetuate itself. It's still an economic analysis.

If anything, what /pol/tards call cultural marxism is actually cultural capitalism brought to its inevitable conclusion.

Enjoy your bourgeois decadence, you insufferable faggots. You asked for it.

>>8860572
Because if you speak out against it the public decries you and you lose all credibility and clout and are doomed to your work residing in obscurity forever.

You can debate and say whatever you want, so long as most people agree with you.

>>8862154

>>8862154
There is nothing wrong with being bourgeois and nothing wrong with material decadence, consumerism or capitalism.

I'm not even /pol/ but pls

>>8860639
Wrong board, anon.

>>8862350
>There is nothing wrong with being bourgeois
this. the only ones who bitch are salty prole's.

>>8860572
This is some 21st century lysenkoism going on. Fucking liberals.

>>8862371
I wish Americans knew what the word 'liberal' actually meant

>>8862419
>tfw people in the US think liberal means social progressive
>tfw people in the US think libertarian means ancap
>tfw centrist libertarian

You can't win here, it's fucking infuriating. Nobody knows where the fuck I am.

>>8860572
Nobody in biology is getting paid to study or care about this

>>8862432
>>8862419

>waaaaaaaaaaaaa the stupid amerifats use my words differently from me!!!!!!!!!!!

Kill yourself. Yes, that's what means in the US. You're not superior because you use the European definition of the terms.

>>8862454
I'm actually crying because I'm an American and there is no accepted definition for my political philosophy and should I try to define one for my peers they consistently strawman my arguments and place me in another group that doesn't represent my views at all.

It's fucking painful becuase it means if I want to make any political arguments I have to go over everything point by point every single time to make sure my arguments aren't misconstrued and then most people will just write me off as being autistic and just being noncommittal.

Odins Paradise is a lonely place, such a lovely place.

>>8862249
Kind of like a certain other historical institution I can think of. Funny how only one is called bad but if you comment on the other, it's "back to /pol/." I would have thought a bunch of intellectuals would have been kind of wary of this kind of thing. Turns out cowardice knows no IQ.

>>8862275
Post all the non-arguments you want. That won't change the fact that capitalism gears Western culture toward producing that which is most profitable, i.e. whatever appeals to the lowest common denominator.

>>8862360
>>8862350
>There is nothing wrong with being bourgeois and nothing wrong with material decadence, consumerism or capitalism.
>the only ones who bitch are salty prole's.
In other words, class oppression is okay when you're on the side benefiting from it. I agree. And so will the "salty proles" when they get sick of getting fucked over by reoccurring economic crisis and expropriate the means of production :^)

>>8862454
Who are you quoting?

>>8862500
>And so will the "salty proles" when they get sick of getting fucked over by reoccurring economic crisis and expropriate the means of production :^)
I'll take things that won't happen for 600, Alex

>>8862500
It is impossible to have a society where at least one class doesn't have the full privilege of another, even when it's tried it ends up disastrous.

>>8862500
>when they get sick of getting fucked over by reoccurring economic crisis and expropriate the means of production :^)

lol, the bread and circus is handling that fampai. not to mention the absolute FLOOD of anti-depressants and other drugs. marijuana is literally huxley's soma, and its getting legalized in more states every year.

>>8862517
>>8862536
The CPUSA and IWW and SLP got pretty damn close in the 30's. You can thank the looming threat of violent revolution for the New Deal. And now that neoliberalism is effectively undermining any protections the system had against radicalism (employment, livable wages, affordable housing, unemployment benefits, education, relative income equality, affordable medical care, etc etc) the next big recession is going to be much, much worse than 2008.

>>8862527
>It is impossible to have a society where at least one class doesn't have the full privilege of another
I agree if you have a liberal interpretation of the term "class." We have a banker class, a politician class, a welfare class, a billionaire class, a middle class, an academic class, the 99%, the 1%, the 1% of the 1% and so on. You can come up with as many classes as there are groups of people.

But in Marxist terminology, class is determined by how you relate to society's system of producing goods. Basically, it's whether you earn your living by owning a workplace, or by selling your labor to someone who does.

So if society's productive forces are owned and operated collectively, it would be classless by communist standards. But that doesn't mean all social inequality would magically disappear. In my opinion, some jobs will always be more respected than others, for example.

>>8862154

>capitalism created it

gotta love the recent lefty meme of "we have nothing to do with the chaos happening in social leftism at the moment, we wuz bearded economists"

no amount of reference to your ideal theories can change the fact that the left in practice heavily promoted this garbage and still does, you don't need /pol/ tier conspiracy theories to even see this

>>8862658
I don't know if you noticed, but the left isn't exactly one homogenous group friendo. And being against identity politics isn't by any stretch "recent" in leftist circles. If anything, this revisionism of socialism into a sterile movement pushing anti-materialist, liberal ideology is the recent change we should be concerning ourselves with.

>no amount of reference to your ideal theories
>ideal theories
>literally what is historical materialism
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>>8860871
When you don't actually know what the scientific method is.

>>8862598
>So if society's productive forces are owned and operated collectively

This has never worked, and will never work.

>>8862705
Worked pretty well for the first 40,000 years of human existence. But other than that slight oversight, I see what you mean. Now that we have things like industry, automation, computers, databases, global telecommunications, and the internet, it's much harder to organize and coordinate a society than it was in the past.

Not to mention the fact cooperatives, communes, and worker self-directed enterprises have literally never worked at all at any point in history.

>>8862720
I should have clarified. It has never worked at scale. If you're talking a small group of people, even a few hundred, sure. But, if you're hoping for implementation on any kind of realistic scale, it's hopeless.

>>8862730
>implying a big group of people isn't just a collection of small groups of people

>>8862735
>implying the same control characteristics are present in small and large collections of people.

>>8860572
>cultural Marxism
Nonsense word for poltard baby boys.
Go cry somewhere else gender roles are a spook, nobody cares if you disagree

>>8860807
Little Sally actually being Hellmann's Mayo is what makes gender a spectrum.

>>8862720
>I'm ignorant
>therefor the things I don't know existed never happened
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain

>>8862697
>historical materialism

This is not what I'm referencing, and it is clear from the preceding flow of conversation that the context of the "ideal theories" was referencing the body of work in critical theories and the juxtaposition with how it is practiced. So this comment is irrelevant, doesn't serve as a counterexample, and even strawmanning what I wrote.

>And being against identity politics isn't by any stretch "recent" in leftist circles.

You don't know your own history. Idpol has been used by communists for at least 100 years to divide and conquer via culture. Even more so in America. You have people like Philip Foner involved with the black panthers. You have CPSU members like Harry Haywood writing tracts about black liberation, and other similar people like Claudia Jones. You have the communist party's influence over the "Harlem renaissance" and the various literary luminaries e.g. Langston Hughes, Richard Wright (who also wrote for the Daily Worker), Paul Robeson, etc. You have things like the John Reed Clubs formed by the communists in the 1920s to specifically target cultural and intellectual elites. You have CPUSA involvement in the Scottsboro Case. Also Benjamin Davis, Jr. who was an old left communist party member who was influential on the new left in the 60s with respect to racial liberation.

Again the basic point stands: your theories and ideas stands in contrast to how you actually carry things out.

You need to stop reading Wikipedia, and read an actual book, you arrogant smug fuck.

>>8860922
Yeah and so do all the other sciences. That's all contemporary "biology" and "physics" research is now, just a bunch of statistics.

>>8862741
What do you mean by "control characteristic?" Any large political entity can be broken down into smaller and smaller subunits like states, counties, cities, districts, neighborhoods, ect. until you're left with individuals associating with each other in some way.

>>8862756
What point are you trying to make bringing the CNT FAI into this?
Anarkiddies are incompetent.
More news at 11

>>8862791
The Black Panthers were Maoists, so borderline idealist to begin with. The CPUSA, regardless of their role in the past, helps organize BLM rallies and tells people to vote for Hillary Clinton.

>You have the communist party's influence over the "Harlem renaissance"
I'm sure there was, but on the other hand you have Adorno writing extensive critiques of jazz music.

Again, communists aren't a homogenous group. Identity politics is still cancer, and giving examples of communists who pushed that bullshit is somehow supposed to change my mind? I'm supposed to support this shit just because everyone everyone else is doing it? I don't quite see your point.

>>8861505
They do for the specific inferences they make,

>>8861488
I think a better term would be cultural egalitarianism

It's funny how people on this board claim psychology is not science, but yet, they believe in IQ tests.

>>8861488
>What even is this term? Marx's theories are about the economy, not cultures.
Maybe that's why the term uses the modifier "Cultural" you idiot. It's Marx's theories applied to culture.
Where the proletariat and bourgeois instead of being economic classes are social ones.

>>8864012
>It's Marx's theories applied to culture.
Marx's theories were already applied to culture to begin with. He thought a society's material conditions and economic structure shaped how people interact and relate to each other to shape culture and cultural identity. Base/superstructure relationship and all that.

>Where the proletariat and bourgeois instead of being economic classes are social ones.
How does that work? Without looking at class, there's no basis for oppression or exploitation in the Marxist sense.

>>8862875
he means that the government of a nomadic tribe is different that the government of a nation you fucking retard

>>8864091
You don't consider the Iroquois Confederation as a nation?

>>8863737
Neurology is a STEM science, they use IQ tests to measure g, which stands for general intelligence.

>>8864012
>Where the proletariat and bourgeois instead of being economic classes are social ones.
Weren't bourgeois supposed to be eradicated? Ouch.

>>8862841
>t. Someone who hasn't studied these subjects

In biology for example, we can make a hypothesis that cell secrete x via response mechanism y.

We then test this theory, and through this experiment, we can ultimately uphold the hypothesis each time or disprove the relationship. If there are outside conditions that change the hypothesis' wording, so be it. We'd rehypothesize and retest.

In psychology, if I want to make a claim, say that a person acts in x manner due to y response, I can test their response. But unfortunately, the human mind does not always work like a cell. It has other irrationalities that get in the way of a correct measurement. People's responses vary, even in extreme pathological cases. The hypothesis could only be changed to something that allows for "general exceptions", but in a way different than conditions for the cell. The differences for the cell can be calculated and measured. You can't measure the human mind.Therefore, general cases must be made, it appears that MOST humans respond x way to y response. That's statistical. You can run tests to see what brain activity there is, but it does not guarantee to display what is being perceived by the person. Ultimately that may change, but shits far away from being quantifiable. Psychologists must instead infer relationships. One day the whole field will be dictated by neuroscientists and behavioral biologists.

We here on /sci/ value truth. Always wondering what someone's exact response or underpinning mechanisms really are is not truth. It's best guessing and hoping the person isn't fucked up.

>>8864426
Nice explanation. This is also why any notion of neural transfer is idiotic because it would not be the same consciousness when stimulated by a different organism, biological or synthetic. You die with the body / brain.

>>8864165

The g factor is a concept from Psychology.

>>8860639
>believing
>on /sci/

>>8864451
What if you slowly replace tiny pieces of your brain with chips or something?

>>8860572
i waa curious and looked at the credentials for the people on mythbusters and they're more of the artsy prop set design side of things than actual science/math. the redhead girl is literally just an artist and the asian guy is the only one with a stem background with a degree in computer science. also

>say controversial thing
>omg why are people disagreeing with me!!!!
>being proud of not allowing any dissenting opinions

>>8865082
you slowly chip away at your personality until it's replaced

if you agree that it's possible to be gay, then you must agree that other such malfunctions of the brain must also be. for example, i never decided that i really like vaginas, it's hard wired in my brain. could the opposite be true?
it's quite easy to imagine a situation in which one may be born attracted to masculinity while simultaneously loving vaginas. or vice-versa. as proof to this hypothesis, i offer the phenomenon of "traps" - women with dicks.

the fact that traps exist serves to me as proof for the existence of at least 2 more genders: men with vaginas and women with dicks. it's just that we haven't really coined a term to describe them.

q.e.d

>>8865159
please read up on solipsism

>>8865170
not an argument nor are we even in the realm of abstract philosophy. from now on, don't >> me, thank you.

>>8865170
Research spectrum theory then get back to me

>>8862735
>not understanding the differences between macroeconomics and microeconomics.

>>8860639
>What do you lose by believing the Earth is flat?
This is how retarded you sound

>>8865159
i want to add that in no way, does this justify the usage of imaginary pronouns. we are a binary form of life, we can not distinguish between a woman with a vagina and a woman with a dick and thus, you can't ever fault anybody for calling a woman with a dick "she" nor can you fault somebody for calling a man with a vagina"he". the compromise here would be to introduce unisex pronouns into the english language, something like "it" without a condescending undertone, and to dismiss everyone who insists custom pronouns as crazy.

>>8862154
Spot-on

>>8861488
A conspiracy theory made up by the Nazis, two of /pol/'s favorite things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

>>8865297
>implying macroeconomic events aren't culminations of microeconomic ones

>implying making a distinction between economic activity on local and national levels in analysis doesn't just exist for simplification, and actually illustrates how reality works

>>8860572
>psychology isn't science
we're still using this meme in 2017, huh?

>>8865674
explain intersex people

>>8862454
The definition of Liberal is the same everywhere else BUT the US. You people are special snowflakes in everything.

>>8866658
hello 'therapist'

>>8860572
>Adam Savage
>scientist

Adam "49 chromosomes" Savage is a complete fraud who happens to own a toolshed - he realized that if you're completely suck in your field a good strategy is working with wood and glue and going OmG Bosdin Mids XD Le MAyMays sciens on youtube or television.

I got so fucking mad when Vsauce did a collab with that fucking idiot

>>8862127
Cultural marxism affects science as well you mong, remember i.e. how they bashed the guy who landed a probe on the comet for his shirt?

>>8862720
>it's harder to organize large groups of people in the era of computers, cellphones, and instant communication than it was in the time of the wooly fucking mammoth

>>8860651
>>8860739
>>8860797
>>8862352
>>8865067
>>8865670
Science always requires faith.

>>8867342
He deserved it for that incredibly offensive getup.

>>8863737
newfag detected

>>8860612
Seems like the ones used by marketers do work. The stuff from your average tenured professor at a large university usually is simplistic garbage or unreproducable.

>>8867551
>Science always requires evidence
Ftfy

>>8860588
>Most psychologist are sociopaths.
I had a crazy room mate who told me the sole reason he transferred out of STEM and into psychology was so that he could conduct experiments on people.

>>8860639
>believing
That's the thing, dude.
In science, you don't believe. You know something is true, you know something is true until proven otherwise, or it's outright false.

>>8868451
Should have told him to just practice astrology in his spare time. Oh and tarot.

>>8860785
Sex and gender are 2 things
"Sex" is what is considered binary.

>>8868912
Maybe it's because English isn't my mother tongue, but I've never understood the attempt at differentiating sex and gender. What's the difference between the two? What else do you have other than male, female, and genetic disorder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8

This is an American Science Show.

It is in no way promoting cultural marxism which is an evil right wing conspiracy theory.

>>8862154
Take it to /pol/ you silly billy.

>>8865700
>linking wikipedia
Wew lad

>>8860572
Because we don't care? Results are results. If something objectively good comes up then it's good. Otherwise it's refuted

>>8862720

>weeb
>lazy commie waah give me free money

like fucking pottery

>>8869843
Oh, I forgot there's some Jewish/Marxist conspiracy on a website that asks for valid sources too, right?

>>8870187
Wikipedia should never be your source, as it can be easily changed and edited by basically anyone.

Which especially in certain topics, such as politics, means that it is almost always biased in some way.

>>8868462
Knowledge is a kind of belief. Knowledge is a subset of belief. "Knowing something" is a belief. "Belief" is simply a mental state of accepting something as true.

>>8869473
That's a good question. I tend to think of gender as more culturally related, i.e. what roles are acceptable in a given culture for a male or female to do. Also the prevalence of a subset of gender-ambiguous individuals in various cultures throughout history seems to point to a certain blurriness of the strict line defined by more traditional cultures.

I think Adam Savage (in the OP) could afford to be less arrogant in his assertions.

>>8866666
checked

isn't gender just bimodally distributed or some shit

>>8870289
wikipedia is a great source if you're reading worthwhile things like science or mathematics and not dumb bullshit like politics

>>8866663
Genetic disorder

>>8860572
gender is a patriarchy

>>8860639
Thats because "believing" that gender is a spectrum requires the same amount of faith as it does to follow an organized religion. Hell, one could say that people that believe in this are cultists of tumblr