/sci/ - Science & Math

>Scientific Racism
>>>/pol/
go back

>>8832902
>dialing back hiring quotas for POC
>"it's not racism as long as it's benefiting me"

>>8832902
>hiring quotas for POC
most companies lean on veterans for their affirmative action hires.

>>8832929
This, so much this.

>sage

>>8832929
You're an idiot if you think affirmative action is the same thing is racism.

>>8832902
>scientific racism
bullshit terms made up to censor genetic discussions anyone?

>>8832902
What can be done to combat this?

>>8832902
It seems so because you're in psychology. Saying that people from different parts of the world can have differences in their outward appearances, their immune responses, their bone structure, et cetera, is fine. However, as soon as those principles extend to the chemistry of the brain, it's racism.

Also, polite sage because you're probably trolling.
>I'm at the gym currently, posting from my phone

>>8832902
>working towards a bachelor's in psychology
>I chose STEM

Thinly disguised bait. Psychology is a social science, which as we all know, isn't a real science. You didn't choose STEM.

>>8833029
Not OP but psych and neuroscience occupy the same dept at MIT. You're a dullard.

>>8833008
Reverse racism is still racism. Providing someone an advantage because of the color of their skin is racist, even if they claim it's to balance out irrelevant injustices in the past.

>>8833039
How is this reasoning any different than the "taxation is theft" horseshit ancaps always spout? Yes, taxation is theft. Get over it. Yes, affirmative action is discrimination. Get over it. The world is complicated.

>>8833043
Gotta mention the caveats.

Taxation is paid to ensure that the government can protect your impersonal rights like property and maintained roadways, while affirmative action is to hasten the economic shift of minority groups, which, after 3 generations, probably isn't actually going to shift economically until these minorities socially integrate into the culture instead of segregating into their little groups.

>>8832929
>>8832938
Careful not to take the bait
Obvious /pol/ troll

>>8833039
>reverse racism
Treating people differently due to their race is racism, which includes AA. There's nothing called reverse racism.

>>8833043
>discrimination is fine
>as long as whites aren't allowed to do it

>>8833071
Affirmative Action might actually be helping whites against Asians and Indians. Asians will be ~7% of the population in 2030.

>>8832902
>hiring quotas for POC
They are the most racist thing currently in the US.
One of the few places where you are judged based on your race.

I suggest if you want to stop the right from growing maybe don't destroy every value the left stood for and replace it by identity politics.

>>8833008
>You're an idiot if you think institutionalized favoritism towards members of some races is the same thing is racism.

>>8833334
>white people
>benefiting from AA
you're thinking of jews

>>8832902
Race is only a thing in sociology because it is a social construct and thus lives in the realm of social science. As far as all modern research is concerned, race has nothing to do with biology and racial science (like all other social sciences) are little more than pseudoscience.

In other words, worry not, it's not taken seriously by serious academics.

>>8832902
>pseudo-scientific
>Scientific

Which is it? One is science and one isn't. Also the word "race" is a layman's term for "subspecies".

>I'm a person of color
>Should I be worried?

You seem to be a fucking moron too. Of course you need to worry. On one hand you get a free ride via "affirmative action" on the other hand you're a "fucking nigger" which comes with it's own under the table, "negative affirmative action". Both of which are about as racist as lynching and cucking respectively. Thus, if you are a moron in STEM, nothing will help you. However, if you are smart, properly social, and do good work then you will succeed on "merit". Merit is the only thing anyone should succeed on. If the place you work in doesn't have a meritocracy you should work someplace else, unless of course you are the type who needs a free ride and/or brown noses to succeed.

>>8833334
>Asians will be ~7% of the population in 2030.

There are 4.436 billion people in Asia as of 2016. That's 60% of the population of the entire world.

I think you mean "Oriental," not "Asian". Russians are Asian too you know, or don't you know?

>toasting in a /pol/ bait thread on /sci/

>>8833334
Even if "affirmative action" is benefiting us in regard to Asians and Indians it's still racism.

Race and sex should be ignored. No more lowering the bar for stupid people. Meritocracy is the only fair system.

>>8833372
Yes it is.
Affirmative action is no different than "niggers are dumb so they need an easy mode".

>>8833008
If I were black, I'd be insulted by affirmative action. It shows how little society expects from black people. It's much like how black celebrities get away with saying the most heinous things about women. It's simply expected of them. Affirmative action may be advantageous for black people in the short run, but in the end, it is rooted in the negative perception the white majority has of them.

>>8832902
I'll give you a serious reply if you post a pic of your (black) hand holding a timestamp.

Otherwise, I'm calling poorly disguised /pol/ thread.

>>8833438
https://www.statista.com/statistics/270272/percentage-of-us-population-by-ethnicities/

do you think russians fall under asian or white here, anon

the more asians there are, the more fucked they will be by affirmative action, simple as that

>>8833438
>the word "race" is a layman's term for "subspecies"
No it isn't. Our genus is Homo. Our species is Homo Sapiens. Our subspecies is Homo Sapiens Sapiens. The latter includes people of all races. 'Race' is a poorly defined term, and its certainly not synonymous with subspecies.

>>8833466
In an ideal world, but in the current job market, minorities have a disadvantage, even with affirmative action. AA helps to alleviate it.
>>8833471
>>8833496
Do I really need to create some sort of "bluepill" dump?

https://www.povertyactionlab.org/evaluation/discrimination-job-market-united-states

http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc232i.pdf

>>8832902
Damn op, I saw this painfully obvious bait and thought "a few people will be dumb enough to fall for this bait"...but no, it's almost all serious replies. Good job.

>>8833523
I can link plots if you like too.

http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

People tend to call assume criminals are 'black' because it's far more likely to be the case.

>>8833523

African American computer scientist here. A lot of the discrepancies in gainful employment stem from social stigma around certain disciplines. I, for example, have had stable employment in a high-paying position since I was 22, but I often get called "corny" by other American blacks because of my choice of profession. It's much more desirable, to many young black people, to be some kind of "swagged out (wannabe) rapper," than a scientist, engineer, or mathematician making actual contributions to society.

>>8832902
>I'm worried that eventually mainstream acceptance of alt-right views about race
They are already mainstream, and have been so for a long time. I know it feels like forever ago because the photos are black and white, but actually many of that era are still alive, and their children have been successfully inculcated. What we have now is a forced veneer of political correctness, nothing more.

>What can be done to combat this?
Nothing. America has a population of 300 million, approximately 200 million are white, so by the definition of IQ, there are at least 90 million whites in the double digit range. These easily led, unintelligent masses cannot be deprogrammed by laws and media campaigns.

As far as the idiots quoting pseudoscience, even if you bring to light the questionable (or, in some cases such as Lynn's, downright dishonest) methodologies and conclusions of social "scientists", it just gets brushed aside as nitpicking because the studies "confirm what we've always known."

>Opportunities for people like me
I'll tell you what my favorite black-only opportunity is: the ability to troll the fuck out of the retarded segment of white people just by my very existence. I dual majored Physics / EE and maintained a 4.0 gpa, I can tell you there's nothing funnier than the look on a young edgy kid's face when he sees he has been objectively outperformed in an intellectual pursuit by a stupid nigger.

>>8833530
Would you say then that there is a cultural problem within the black community? Or is this something you don't consider a problem at all?

>>8833530
I'm aware of that. That the perception of society too. That's what makes it hard for black people to live a normal life even when they want to.

>>8833547
>supposed black
>using George Wallace as a symbol of hate
Need to learn your history, boy.

>>8833549

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the black community at large. There are pockets of demographics (mostly middle-aged to older working class folk) who are beautiful people with wholesome thoughts and beliefs.

The primary issue is the effect popular black culture has had on the "norm" of the masses. The handful of us who actually have success in meaningful fields are often simply not seen by the youth because we are far outnumbered by rappers and ghetto memes. Over time, they become accustomed to these images, and so the people like us are seen as boring, uninteresting, and therefore something not to be emulated by the time we are recognized.

>>8832902
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>>8833564
Interesting insight. What means do you think there are to remedy such a problem? How does one operate a cultural shift within a community?

>>8833530
james mickens is this u

>>8833574

I'm honestly not sure about the solution. Since kids these days aspire to fame, one potential element which might contribute to alleviating the issue (which isn't really something that can be willed or forced) would be the discovery of a solution to some major open problem by a black person. The increased media attention might help the kids realize, "Hey, people who look like me do things like this too," or hopefully nudge the ones already considering going in these directions to actually follow through.

>>8833576

I am not James Mickens, but he is an interesting guy. We actually have a similar background (systems and security), but my research interests are slightly different--I work on a hodgepodge of more theoretical topics like cryptography, theory of computation, algorithmic information theory, optimization, and (more recently) some artificial intelligence.

>>8833589
It would take more than just one black person. You need to have presence in the communities.

>>8833554
Why don't you teach me? I'm interested in hearing your revisionist version of events.

>>8833567

>>8833567
low IQ monkey spotted

>>8833629
white people had the altruism gene and in their infinite goodness allowed black people to breathe

>>8832902
>What can be done to combat this?

Destroy the current welfare system. Paraphrasing Sowell : "...Slavery could not destroy the black family. Discrimination could not destroy the black family. Half a century of welfare? It's destroying the black family..."

And you forgot the biggest fucking knot in the whole shebang, for affirmative action. I can just fill in the bubbles and say I'm a mongrel but still be counted as AA, SEA, MEA, and yadda yadda.

If the government were forced to do genetic testing to ensure truthfulness in ethnicity, it'd unravel the entire AA scheme. Because they'd start to notice patterns.

>>8832902
How does it feel to be an ignorant racist who hates science?

>>8833629
Literally nothing revisionist about it.

He was a bigtime progressive that introduced a ton of social programs and a community college system that greatly aided the black community. The segregation crap was him just playing politics ("I won't be out niggered again") -- you'll note that his segregation grandstanding was literally just that, grandstanding. He had multiple opportunities to directly act in meaningful ways, but didn't. Just picked fights he knew he'd lose.
Look up the percentage of the black vote he carried during his last run. Pretty sure you'll be surprised.

>>8833567
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>>8833645

CONT.

And it's horrible because I know decent, smart individuals who are black. But there's nothing in their culture which nourishes them.

When I was homeless, I saw dysgenics and degeneration in the welfare office. Women having babies just to get more government money. Women demanding that the fact they have 7 babies means society is obligated to take care of them in the father's stead.

It's an atrocity exhibition. I'll never move into a black majority area. DESU, I'll either move north continentally or move west internationally, just to get away.

>>8833653
\texttt{>bumping a /pol/ thread}

>>8833653
[math]\texttt{>bumping a /pol/ thread}[/math]

>>8832902
>I'm a person of color currently working

>>8832902
"person of colour" is a retarded term and you should feel bad for using it.

no race doesn't actually exist beyond a social construct, stop basing your existence around it

no some edgy cunts on campus doesn't mean scientific racism is returning to academia, you ridiculous alarmist

/thread

>>8833652
>The segregation crap was him just playing politics ("I won't be out niggered again") -- you'll note that his segregation grandstanding was literally just that, grandstanding.
Oh, I thought you were going to tell me something I didn't already know.

As you've now stated, a politician presented as a hardcore segregationist and racist in order to gain support, and it worked brilliantly. That's an excellent indicator of just how mainstream American anti-black sentiment is, which, if you actually read the post instead of looking at the picture, was my original point. In the end, his placement in the door of that schoolhouse was, in fact, a symbol of his constituents' position on the matter.

>>8833702
>no race doesn't actually exist beyond a social construct, stop basing your existence around it
Medicine and genetics disagree with you.

>>8833702
White privilege is not having to worry about the color of your skin. Actually being sincere despite the meme terminology.

>>8833708
What? Everybody was pretending back then.

Racists don't actually want you and people who look like you genocided/removed. Are you serious?

>>8833708
Man, you guys sure do have a chip on your shoulder. I'm glad I live in Australia and don't have to deal with the 13% of the population whining like you guys do.

>>8833729
So if, as a white guy, I start to feel nervous in a black neighborhood, that means the blacks in that neighborhood have black privilege?

Fuck you are straight out of Africa retarded.

>>8833754
Talking about in society as a whole, or any professional setting.

>>8833751
>Opens a thread about racism
>Sees people talking about racism
So this is where the meme of the aussie shitposter originates?

b8, fuck off

>>8833754
>that means the blacks in that neighborhood have black privilege?
Yes, that's exactly what it means, actually. Let that sink in.

>>8833758
There is no "society as a whole." Do you mean Earth? Every situation is unique. Convenient how you dodged my double standard. You don't think whites feel nervous on the subway, in shady neighborhoods, in prisons, or traveling abroad? Cry me a fucking river, faggot.

>>8833771
The thread is generally about the United States, so that. Do I need to lay down some more bluepill?

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/8%20Fellner_FINAL.pdf

http://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/research-analysis/rr011-Unfair_Lending-0506.pdf

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pbtss11.pdf

>>8833796
>image
Yes, every instance of arresting blacks for lower charges is purely racial. It's never, ever a case of knowing but being unable to build a good case that they did something like participate in a murder and the police are just sticking them with whatever charge they can make stick to get them off the streets. But yeah, I'm sure the worst Al Capone actually did was fuck around on his tax returns too.

I'm not one who'll claim racism doesn't exist, but often the situations are far more complicated than a brief scan of the numbers indicates.

>>8833768
The divergence is that most people don't consider it to be a privledge to be able to sit in a ghetto and not stand out, while people do consider it to be a privledge to be able to sit in an office and not stand out.

>>8833848
Yet one is most often literal paranoia where the other is literally life threatening.

And if you are about to claim that it's not life threatening, let's see some timestamped selfies from Southside Chicago.

>>8833809
That's what studies are for, read them. They weigh all the relevant factors and group them to eliminate external factors. All the studies out there find that skin color alone is a factor for arrests and sentencing for identical crimes and circumstances.

http://www.ussc.gov/general/Multivariate_Regression_Analysis_Report_1.pdf

That link might not work... Google the USSC's disparity sentencing study.

>>8833867
>That's what studies are for, read them. They weigh all the relevant factors and group them to eliminate external factors. All the studies out there find that skin color alone is a factor for arrests and sentencing for identical crimes and circumstances.
HAHAHAHAHA

Oh god, you're a fool. It's literally impossible to have "identical crimes and circumstances" or are you going to assert that these researchers have access to another universe where blacks don't have the highest rates of perpetrating violent crimes? Oh, wait, look, another, entirely supported interpretation of the data! More violent people are arrested more often! Whoops, it looks like blacks are more violent than other races. What's that about causation and correlation again?

Fucking learn the power of analytical methods and what they can actually say about a dataset before you start trying to interpret them. Also learn how to think critically about the design of studies and the influence the design has on the results. If you find yourself having to claim an impossibility like "identical circumstances" are being controlled for, then likely you're missing a whole lot of somethings.

>>8833886
Okay. I still trust in scientific studies over pure skepticism. Claiming racism doesn't exist at all is like denying climate change or evolution. The only argument you can really make is toward the justification of racism, and even then, the data doesn't agree with you. Just say your beliefs man, that you disagree with science and think that genetically inferior minorities must be dealt with.

>>8833523
>Do I really need to create some sort of "bluepill" dump?
Yes. And you should post it on /pol/ routinely.

>>8833902
No you retard, I don't "distrust the science". I'm telling you that interpretations of the datasets and the conclusions drawn are flawed, which is understandable because, especially in fields like sociology and psychology, designing a study in the first place that can actually tell you something is a mammoth task. It's fucking hard, really goddamn hard. Then, after that, selecting the proper analytical methods for the shape of your data, applying it, and drawing the correct conclusions is even more difficult. There's a reason statisticians make a lot of money. The really hard part, especially in a post hoc analysis of demographic data, is being fully honest about the limits of what can be concluded from the data, analysis (often very little). Most of the time, you're limited to being able to say that there is or isn't a link with some hints of directionality, but still being unable to say definitively that one thing causes the other.

Look at the claim of "identical circumstances" again. Poorer people perpetrate more crimes across the board and are arrested more across the board. Most studies have shown that even controlling for SES, you'll see blacks arrested more often. Well, hrm, what other differences are there? Oh yeah, more poor whites live in more rural areas. Places where police presence is next to zero, so there are are far less police:individual interactions for *anyone* to be arrested in. Also, often in more rural areas, you're talking about people who grew up with each other -- there's a personal connection that you don't see in larger cities where a cop might never go into the same area as his beat except for when he's working. These are factors that just can't be controlled for and are strong enough to change results, but to acknowledge such would weaken the overall message and the research dollars that that message can get you.

Homie, tl;dr, this shit is my life. That study (and those like it) don't say what you're told it says.

>>8832902
>dialing back hiring quotas
good, hiring quotas are inherently racist. how about you just get hired on your merits?

>>8833951
he's obviously a white guy false flagging

>>8832902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6EASuhefeI
You can join these people at 19:00 protesting Charles Murray I guess. I.e. instead of arguments you just try to shut people up and thus totally proving the point of the scientific racists. Oh the irony.

>>8833496
> It's much like how black celebrities get away with saying the most heinous things about women. It's simply expected of them.
Mmm hmm.

>>8834056
Lol you seriously think he wasn't shat on for saying that? The thing is that it was hilarious and he didn't acted like he gave a fuck so his support wasn't really affected.

>>8832902
> dialing back hiring quotas for POC
This is a really good idea.

>>8833039
>reverse racism
A separate term used for racism when solely being perpetrated against white people is itself racist against white people.

>>8833412
> it's not taken seriously by serious academics.
Appeal to authority; opinion discarded.

>>8833507
>'Race' is a poorly defined term,
It is only poorly defined in the modern context because of political reasoning. Serious study of race is taboo and as someone on a science board you should be extremely pissed off about that. Ask anyone if they understand the concept of race and they will answer in the affirmative. Race is self-evident, you cannot escape it although you can push a bullshit narrative in the media to make people think that it is a meaningless term. Then again I could do that with the term 'vegetable' or or try to reclassify glass as stone. It is stupid and you should feel bad for yourself.

>>8832902
>posting from my phone
lmao

>>8834203
>Ask anyone if they understand the concept of race and they will answer in the affirmative. Race is self-evident
That's like the definition of social construct man. It's evident to laymen but has little significance in a scientific setting.

>>8834203
>It is stupid and you should feel bad for yourself.
Sweet baby jesus, the irony is almost too much to handle.

>>8834247
Too bad the entire medical community acknowledges differences between the races (and they have to in order to treat people correctly).

The science is there. That you ignore it does not change this fact.

>>8834265
Not an argument.

>>8834298
You misunderstood, I'm not looking to get into a discussion with a fucking retard.

>>8834247
>Appeal to authority
You really suck this don't you?

>>8834300
Then why did you samefag this >>8834247?

>>8834273
The medical community acknowledges statistical trends. Nobody is going to make a decision based on race alone. Calling something a social construct is not the same as claiming something doesn't exist. I'm well aware of skin colors and how they have correlation with ancestry and therefore genetic populations.

Taxonomy in general at the low end becomes a grey area where labels are increasingly meaningless. Race is literally just a visual check. It has correlation with ancestry, but it's not a real scientific thing.

After all, if you want to call "white" a race, there are even medical differences among them. Like how northern Europeans how lower rates of lactose intolerance than mainland Europe.

>>8834324
>Then why did you samefag this
Make that paranoid* retard

I'm pretty disturbed by the pseudo-science too. Should stop majoring in Psychology desu

>>8832929
This. Giving an unfair advantage to a group of people automatically disadvantages everyone else. Good intentions don't change the fact that discrimination based on race is racism.

AA is supposed to counteract racist hiring/admissions, but the racism/sexism involved has never been demonstrated in a contemporary context. It has always just been assumed by looking at percentages of 'representation', ignoring all factors that might create a natural disparity of population and representation in a field or institution.

>>8832902
Find the leaders.
Challenge them to a game of wits.
Something you are good at.

>>8834343
https://www.povertyactionlab.org/sites/default/files/publications/3%20A%20Field%20Experiment%20on%20Labor%20Market%20Discrimination%20Sep%2004.pdf

http://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/research-analysis/rr011-Unfair_Lending-0506.pdf

>>8834327
I was referencing a different post made by you earlier. You are now involved in a discussion with me over irrelevant subject matter. Why not make cogent arguments that supports your idiotic view that race is a social construct, instead of wasting your time winning meaningless battles?

>>8834327
>race doesn't exist
>saying it does makes you a racist
Your cognitive dissonance and circular logic is astounding.

>>8834358
Haven't looked at your papers yet, but just by glancing over them:

1. Neither labor market hiring nor lending practices are relevant to whether university admissions are racist/sexist. Demonstrated racism would only serve to justify research into other fields that might be affected, but don't prove it.
2. This could be fixed by anonymizing applications, which would avoid countering racist profiling with more racist profiling

>>8832902
>psychology
>STEM

If there's a sociologically-independent racial basis for IQ distributions, it should be studied by biologists so that it can be accounted for with objective data by society. You can't fix problems by refusing to do science that may turn up inconvenient truths.

>>8834358
>https://www.povertyactionlab.org/sites/default/files/publications/3%20A%20Field%20Experiment%20on%20Labor%20Market%20Discrimination%20Sep%2004.pdf
>We also restrict
ourselves to four occupational categories: sales,
administrative support, clerical services, and
customer services.
Wow, it's like they tailor designed this study to get the results they wanted. Literally four kinds of jobs where having as plain and "normal" of a name as possible is preferable to not.
>http://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/research-analysis/rr011-Unfair_Lending-0506.pdf
Being black literally means you're a higher risk to lenders -- doesn't matter your SES. Higher risk means higher rates/outright denial. This is doubly true if you're trying to get a loan on a property in a low SES area.

>>8834371
You mentioned hiring, so I threw that in there. The admissions thing is more complicated. It's not about admissions being racist, but more justified by a historical disadvantage. Black kids are more likely to be born into a poor family who have very little college education, possibly due to actual admissions discrimination. Plus the other difficulties that comes with poverty and being black in general. The AA is just meant to buck the trend that self-perpetuates without some intervention.

>>8834392
>Being black literally means you're a higher risk to lenders
That's called racism...

>psychology
Enjoy being jobless. And not because you are black, but you made a shitty life choice in terms choosing to study a meme.

>>8834403
>That's called racism...
Nope. It's reality. Blacks are more likely to not pay back loans. It's an SES independent result. Lenders (and their insurers) derive price from risk. Lenders don't give the first shit about their customer's skin color. All they care about is making their money. Blacks have reliably proven to be poor investments.

If you don't like it, partner up with Oprah and lend to blacks.

>>8834403
Accurately assessing risk is racism, guys.

>>8834403
>That's called racism...
So what? Being male makes you a higher risk to car insurance providers, but no one calls higher premiums for one gender over another 'sexist'. No feminist ever spoke out on that one. Why not?

>>8834411
>>8834413
>>8834414
Show those statistics for loan repayments at equal SES, especially at the upper end.

>>8834403
>black kids are more often poor because of poor parents
Why not help out poor people in general then, why tie it to race? If black people are disproportionately poor, then measures designed to help poor people will disproportionately help out black people without having to make it about race.
So I don't buy this justification for AA.

I think it is more tied to those 'historical disadvantages'. People are getting punished/rewarded for things that their ancestors did in the past. Also known as sins of the fathers, a concept just as repugnant as racism.
No person should be made responsible for things other people did who share their genes or even just physical appearances.
Especially given that most black people in the US are are actually descendants of the long dead white slavers who enslaved their long dead black ancestors. So the reparations idea is not only bigoted, but also factually wrong.

>>8834381
What you are saying is extremely misguided. Biologists are not better equipped to address these questions than psychologists. The nature of the material is what makes it difficult to account for.

>>8834438
>long dead black slavers who enslaved
Homie, whites just went and bought slaves. The enslaving peeps were blacks themselves.

>>8834438
It's not about exactly who did what. Your parents/grandparents never had to deal with Jim Crow and such. That puts all white people at an advantage already. Helping poor people in general is fine, and we do that. But oppression doesn't just disappear in one generation. We honestly shouldn't be arguing about AA here anyway. It's not science. But don't throw out recent history like it's long gone, so talk about it in /his/.

>>8834451
>doesn't know about NINA
>probably thinks that the second incarnation of the KKK gave the first shit about blacks

That's what kills me about people like you. You have your head so far up your ass that you think that the way "you" have been victimized (quotation marks because you extend historical events that literally have in no way touched your life to still be affecting you) is so unique and worse than how anyone else has ever had it. FFS, the Chinese were treated exactly the same in the West more recently than black slavery.

Stop fucking making excuses and do what you can with what you have. The next guy does the same, and the next the same. That's how you get ahead. Crying for sympathy while sitting on your ass and blaming shit almost 200 years ago is not doing you any favors.

>>8834468
I mentioned Jim Crow which ended in the 60s but okay.... My parents were born in the 50s.

Genuinely surprised half of you don't realize this is a /pol// false flag, but are biting anyway. Sage and move on.

>>8834449
I know, that's not really important for the point I was making though. Also you could argue that enslaving is a continuous process and the slave owners are just as guilty as the original enslavers, but now we are nitpicking.

>>8834451
I don't see how giving handouts to the children of people who were affected by injustice is balancing the scales.

>puts all white people at an advantage
Not it doesn't. The people who got an advantage are/were in large parts white indeed, but not everyone who was white benefited and some non-white people benefited too. A lot of white people didn't gain anything or even got disadvantaged as well, like poor whites in particular. Not to mention white migrants who came in afterwards and are now treated as part of the white group anyway. These blanket race based policies are always oppressing the minority in the minority who didn't do anything wrong. You should judge people individually, rather than based on some shared characteristic.

Again, helping out poor people also helps the people who suffered under Jim Crow. Or more specifically in this case, the children of the people who suffered under Jim Crow.

This pic isn't even satire unfortunately.

>>8833523

Wow dude if you think about the amount of uncertainty that comes with such a small sample size those numbers are practically the fucking same.

>>8834631
Bluepillfag has obviously never taken a statistics or research methods course.

>person of color
Everyone has color, why do you think you are special?

>>8834626
>canadian man
>???
Aaahahaha

>>8834671
Should have come from a beaver though...

>>8834468
>Jim Crow was 200 years ago

>>8834626
Do Poles become or come from toasters?

>>8834659
"Person of colour" is politically incorrect e.g. "You should be out in the fields pickin' cotton like a person of colour." The correct term now is groid or melatinated individual.

>>8834691
Both.

>>8834659
Because "POC" is just another marxist term whose sole existence is to divide non-whites against whites. It's to breed resentment among non-whites on their inability to create good countries and hijacking people's natural ethnocentric behavior against whites. The same people who use that term will tell you how wrong it is for whites to act ethnocentric, but they won't say a peep for the reverse. Yet another tool to attack western civilization.

>>8834702
so it's literally white genocide

It's pathetic that people couldn't see through this bait

>>8834702
>marx

Kek, why do alt-right morons always bring him up?

>>8834722
Marxism is an ideology (or rather a group of ideologies) that have outgrown Marx. I doubt the guy would agree with most of the shit marxists do nowadays.

>>8834752
Conspiracies abound.

>>8834761
I guess you are trolling now